A little Leight!

[Jr. Greenthumb]

Well I am sure most of you around here have heard of me once or twice, If not you never read the grow guide…… I’m not the best grower in the world nor the most in tune with what I am doing but one thing I can say is that I don’t run out of weed to damn often. So, I must be doing something right. I started out growing many years ago on a huge farm I was raised on. I had NO clue what I was doing but I grew weed AND I used Miracle Grow. I have since moved on and grown up and no a little more about growing now than I did then. I have several people to thank from this wonderful world we call the internet. I started my indoor cultivation a while back and went thru the school of Hard-Knocks that most of us grow thru. I tried this and that and kept upsizing my grow rooms and reconstructing things till I finally broke down and dropped some money into this hobby I know so well. I built myself a cab that I can produce my own smoke out of, I was hoping consistently. I have grown indoors in soil, tried LST and liked it a lot, I have tried topping and still use that method for the crops I grow. I then moved on to hydro and was so Impressed with the growth I am 100% hydro now. Oh yea, and Organic. I enjoy growing and love to smoke.

Many people think they know a lot about pot and they think theirs is SO awesome, then I pull out what I smoke. It’s always from a buddy on the coast that grows and boy does he know what to do with what he grows…. lol. I love to meet someone new and have them pull out a bag of green and fire up a joint bragging about how good it is. Take a hit and tell them you thought they were smoking weed and not dirt. There eyes light up everytime. Pull out what I smoke and pass it around, everyone ALWAYS loves it. It just makes me laugh when I do that. I love it.

Anyhow, On to the grow. As everyone knows I have been a little busy with life and shit. I still am but I still have to make time to grow or I won’t have any weed to smoke. I still have a little, or more, of my stash so I’m not in any hurry but I still need to get shit fired back up. My cab is a 2’x4’x6’+++++ rubbermade cabinet from Homedepot. I mounted an aircooled econocool reflector up in the top powered by a 400 watt switchable ballast. The insides are completely covered with reflectex and the doors are light-proofed with rubber door sweeps on the top leaving it about 99% lightproof. I have a hydrofarm 190cfm or something like that blower mounted inside pulling air thru the hood and pushing it out and thru a carbonair carbon scrubber. I mounted the blower inside to keep the noise to a minimum. I have a lot of time and money tied up in my cab and I am very proud of it. It is too big and my bedroom not big enough to really get any pics that are worth a shit to show you guys. I have some I will attach at the end so you get the jist of what is going on. I know I am a little long winded but if you do read this you will know what is going on in my world if not, those are who ask the questions…. How many watts are you using and shit like that.

I grow Hydro like I said. I have a 14 site TurboGarden that I have used for 2 or 3 grows now. I am getting the hang of it but not completely good with it yet. I am still experimenting and this grow I am using some info from an experiment and using SilicaStone as a grow medium instead of hydroton. I am growing a cross I am calling Leight (spoken as “late”) it is a cross of AK-48 and Lightstorm. Hence the “L” and the “8”, “Leight”…. Just a stoned thought coming out on paper..

I collected about 50 seeds this morning and got everything cleaned up and ready to go. I bought a new MH bulb for this grow as I have a few grows on these bulbs. I had the time written down but I completely lost all of that shit. I have an hour meter on my timer, I think I am going to redo all of that though, it’s too much shit to keep track of. I guess I will just replace my bulbs around the beginning of the year every year and keep the old ones for spare.

Anyhow, I bought some woodchip looking starter plugs from Walmart just cause they looked cool. I have 20 of them I put water on this afternoon and they should be ready to take a seed by now. I am also using some of my usual Rapid Rooter Propogation plugs, I am using 18 of them. So that is 38 plant sites. I am starting so many because I plan on keeping 14 or 17 for my Hydro grow and then the rest will be placed on an outside Gorilla grow. Those will never be seen again except for maybe a pic or two at harvest. This time I decided to try to soak the seeds for an hour or so before planting them. I have heard it helps so I said why not try it.

As for the nutes, I am using Botonicare’s Triflex series nutrients. I have never used them before, they were a freebie to try so I am trying. There is supposed to be enough for one complete grow in my TurboGarden but if not I will either buy more if it is working good or if not I will get something else. Again, I am using Silica Stone for my medium. I guess that pretty much covers everything. This journal isn’t going to be updated everyday and probably won’t be as thurough as many you have seen but it will show how cluttered my mind is and have a few cool pics and some experiments. So, stop in when you want and say whatever you feel. I have been away for a few months now and life is just now getting a little normalcy to it so no telling what might happen during on of my grows….




Jr.


This is what it looks like from outside. Not where it sits now though....
http://www.homegrownbud.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=3356&stc=1&d=1146517657

This is what it looks like in Operation, an older pic....
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This is my tray of plugs, No seeds yet...
http://www.homegrownbud.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=3358&stc=1&d=1146517657

This is the wood-chip looking starter plugs I found.
http://www.homegrownbud.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=3359&stc=1&d=1146517657

Here is my Normal Rapid Rooter plugs.
http://www.homegrownbud.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=3360&stc=1&d=1146517657

Here they are side by side.....
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Here are my seeds soaking.....
http://www.homegrownbud.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=3362&stc=1&d=1146517657


Now, I need to go plant them and stick them under a light till they pop to keep em warm.

[gorilla]

Awesome start for your journal, greenthumb. :gthumb:

Your rubbermaid looks awesome with the doors open. Very nice. 2thumbs

[Jr. Greenthumb]

Well thanks Gorilla......

I spent a lot of time making that cab. I just hope it will fit down the stairs and shit when I move. Prolly not anytime soon but I still don't want to tear it apart to move it though. It wouldn't be hard to take it apart but to put it back like it is now will take some time.

I love this cab though. It is everything I want, well Almost. It is everything feasable with the space I have. I want a whole bedroom or spare room to use for my growing but that will be after we eventually buy another house. Hopefully our government will continue to fuck up our economy and then I will be able to afford a good house without spending $200K. I really need a 5 bedroom. One for me and the wife, one for each of the 3 kids, and one for my grow. I want to cover the floors with white tile up the walls about 4' so I can wash them down without worrying about anything. Then from the tile up just paint it with some good latex bathroom paint so it don't mold or mildew. Also add a drain to the floor so I don't have to mop after I spray down and so I can just drain my res right onto the floor to make for easier res changes. But hey, don't everyone have a dream room?


As for this grow......

I had to resituate how the propogation plugs were in the tray. I have never had that many in there at once that I can remember. Anyhow, the lid won't fit on the tray all the way with them plugs on the outer holes so I had to move them all in a little. I am gonna wait for them to pop and as soon as they pop I am gonna move them into the main cab under the 400w MH. I just want to try to keep them as short as I can.

I want to top them like I normally do. I top at the 5th node then again at the 2nd node of the regrowth. This usually gives me a fairly even canopy except during this last grow for some reason. I had some watering issues so that may have done it. My watering issues were cycle time problems but I think I got that figured out. Well, I had it figured out somewhat with Hydroton and now I am going to be using Silica Stone.

I have done a couple experiments with Silica Stone and the growth rate and amount exceeds any other thing I have ever done. SO....... I dropped the extra $50 for a bag of Silica Stone. It will be more than enough for this grow. I don't know how long you can reuse it or if you really can. I haven't tried to reuse it but for $50 additional cost per grow if the growth is what I am expecting it will be well worth it.

You know, since I am rambling again.....
There's not a whole lot of cost per grow now that I have everything setup.
Let's see........
$50 for the Silica Stone (If I buy new everytime)
$35-50 for enough nutes per grow
$25-50 a month for electric so about $100 per grow.
So I guess approx. $200 for a minimum of 8 ounces, since that is the least I have harvested. Not bad huh.......

[dredank]

great journal jr:D , strain sounds good, interesting to see how it looks finished. good luck:gthumb:

peace

[Jr. Greenthumb]

Sup Dre......

I am very interested in how this strain turns out. I wasn't going to cross the Lightstorm with anything but then I got to thinking. AK-48 is absolutely amazing, it is easy to grow, takes a lot of abuse, and don't use a lot of nutes. Ease wise of growing, prolly on of the easiest. Taste, well it tastes awesome, great high, but I am just burnt out on it from smoking so much of it and it is extremely pungeant when growing.. I would rate it a 9.

Lightstorm, it looks awesome! It's got a lot of purple and trichs and just looks great. It has a funky smell when growing but not very strong. Nothing compared to the AK. It uses more nutes and isn't anywhere as easy to grow as the AK. The difficulty level is alot higher than the AK. The smoke, OMG! It has an awesome flavor to it and extremely mellow. Not a couch lock but an extremely powerful all around buzz. About the perfect buzz for everyday smoking.

So, I am hoping mixing the two together I get the best of both worlds. Hopefully I don't end up with the worst of both...... lol

[CB]

so ya gonna fire the ole cab back up aye:D

seen alot of good things happen in there...

sure i will this time allso

grow on brother

[Vortex]

Looks great.
I'm along for the ride.

I have started making plans to build myself a veg cab, along the same lines. Allowing me to increase my flower room.

[Jr. Greenthumb]

Yea CB I hope to see good things come out again too........

I know I have been sorta outa the loop here for a few months and all but I didn't totally forget how to grow. The cab has only been down for like 6 weeks I think, maybe a little longer but not by much.



Hey Vortex, glad to see ya droppin in bro.
building new cabs is fun. I really enjoyed it everytime I built something. I built this and this will be the last one I build till I have a bigger place to grow. I would like a full room like I was saying earlier then I would use this cab to veg in and the main room to Flower in and just set this cab in the corner somewhere.


I'm not going to do any experiments this time, or at least I am gonna try to keep from doing it. I tend to do too many experiments during my grows. This time I am gonna keep it straight. Let them grow for a week or so in the humidome then transplant to hydro.

[midwestbluntman]

Hey bro,glad to see your up to the same ole tricks,I think growing is more additive then smokin.Glad to have ya back on the boards brother.Im building myself a cabby also,and i gots some questions for ya man,but not here.They need to be in real time either chat or msn.Maybe we can hook up this weekend or something.last time we talked i was thinking about ebb-n-flo,ive talked myself out of it tho im going to roll with DWC.The air pumps are a real turn off tho,I'll play with them a bit to try to quiet them,but more than likely i will be adding an aquirium to the room to cover the noise.Who knows i may still end up with F&D.

The cross sounds interesting,I never did get one of them AK to germ,but i got a few left to try.I only need one female,and its on,lol.I'll clone the shit out of it.i got one russian growing i really need to sex,but im stuck between a rock and a hard spot with this cab.I have to tear down the room to assemble the cab or buy all new shit which i dont really want to do that.I'll get it together soon and everything will fall in place then.

[Jr. Greenthumb]

sup Mid. It has been a while since we have chatted.

I'm a little under the weather right now. I have had a migrane most of this afternoon and it isn't really breaking all that well. I've popped a couple of extra extra strength migrane killers and it hasn't done anything but made me sick to my stomach. I'm sitting here squinting my eyes with a hot wrap around my neck to help a little. I hate migranes........

But yea, I'll try to catch you on MSN or something later on this week bro. I'll help out if I can.

Jr.

[Fred Lemonjello]

Hey Jr....jus couldn't stay away could ya... hehehe
Great to see ya back!

Hope tomorrow's a better day for ya Brutha.

:mmmm:


Fred

[Jr. Greenthumb]

Thanks Fred.......

Yea, it is hard to stay away. I just wish being busy wasn't the reason I was away. It would have been better if I was just taking a break or something, or on a beach somewhere..... Wouldn't that have been nice. lol


Anyhow, I finally see some heads popping out so time is coming. Hopefully I can transplant some of the this Sunday. I hope they are big enough by then. I could do it Monday too but Tue., Wed., and Thurs. are completely spoken for.

We'll see what happens. But here is what HAS happened so far.

This is the lighting that I am using in my Clone/Starting cab. The circley ones are 30watt 6500K bulbs I picked up a while back. They put more actual light on the ground than the other style. I tested it with my little meter thingy I bought a while back.
http://www.homegrownbud.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=3444&stc=1&d=1146780692


Here is the Hydrodome or whatthehell ever it's called all nestled in it's place.
http://www.homegrownbud.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=3442&stc=1&d=1146780692


Here you can see some popping thru. By sticking my nose down close I counted 8, a couple you can't see in the pic.
http://www.homegrownbud.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=3443&stc=1&d=1146780692

[Cranky]

By sticking my nose down close I counted 8, a couple you can't see in the pic.

smellovision aye:D

wel bro,nice intro indeed.

ill be watching for sure;)

grow on buddy

cranky

[Vortex]

Lets hope for alot of girls :)

[Jr. Greenthumb]

Sup Cranky...........



Vortex...... I usually count on about 2/3 female. That's just been what I usually end up with when I grow from seeds. No kind of testing or scientific stuff there thats just what it usually ends up being. Which is alright with me. I usually plant too many anyhow so it is a way of helping me eleminate un-needed plants.


As you can see from the pic, I have a few more popping there heads thru the tops so all is going good. I counted 18 when I was up there taking the pics, some are barely thru the soil. Just enough to see a little spot. So I guess I did something right in making these seeds huh......

I'm a Syked up about this grow for some reason. I guess I was just getting burnt out on growing and all the upkeep involved and just needed a little break. It was starting to seem like another JOB instead of a hobby. However, All is well now I guess.

I'm already thinking about going and getting a few more pots for the grow. My TurboGarden came with 14 pots but I can only seem to find 12 of them. It fits 14 comfortably but 17 will squeeze in there alright. What I am thinking is put 17 in there and Flower early like I planned then weed out the males which should leave me with 10-12 females, or at least I hope. If I only get 8 I'll still be happy with that. I'm just ready to get these things under there Big Light...



Question!
How early can you put a small plant like these under a 400w M/H?

Senario....... I want to take my plants RIGHT NOW and put them into my Big cab to keep these plants extremely compact. If I keep the temps good and the light 2-3' away from the light. Will it cause any problems? I don't think so but I have never done it this early myself so I figured I would shout out for someone who has.....

Cheap, Cranky, Mel, Pali, Mid, Dre, the Zens........ Anyone??????????
I know there is a lot of knowledgable peeps out there.........

http://www.homegrownbud.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=3492&stc=1&d=1146870695

[ZenLunatic]

Damn bro, I'd at least wait till they were a little more established... perhaps 2-3 nodes before I threw them under an HID.

[Jr. Greenthumb]

Well Zen, Generally I do but I also end up with a little stretch on my youngins. I want to eliminate that initial stretch if I can.

I guess when it all comes down to it I prolly will wait for a little bit before I stick em under the big light. I don't know. I just want to keep tham as compact as I can. I want to get a great compact SOG grow this time. If I can get 8-10 females squeezed in there and top them AND keep them as short as possible I think it will look like I want it to.

[midwestbluntman]

Well i thought that the seedling wouldnt flower until it was ready, some say 3rd or 4th node some say fifth or sixth. Try it bro,the worse case senereo would be stress,and i think that would be detected before real harm.dont you have a switchable ballast?That would make the test abit easier.

[Jr. Greenthumb]

Mid........

You completely lost me with that one bro.......

I'm just talking about the Veg cycle right now. I don't know if our discussions in the chatroom thru you off from not seein that or what....

[Jr. Greenthumb]

Well I finished getting everything ready for the new grow. Well, almost. I have a few odds and end things to do but it won't take no time at all. I replaced the MH bulb and cleaned the glass and shit in the reflector and cleaned the floor of the cab with some mild Bleach and water to kill anything that may be growing that I don't see. Can't be too careful, I DON"T want anything growing that I didn't put there. I also wiped the walls down and the Hydro equipment with some Mild Bleach water too.

After I installed the new bulb I fired it up to allow it to Burn in or whatever you want to call it. It is very interesting watching a M/H bulb fire up the first time. For the first 30 minutes you can really see some changes taking place. The first 5 are the best though. I put my meter down and watched the Candle Power meter go up and down for about 30 minutes till it finally settled in to a good place.

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[gorilla]

Can't wait to see it in action, Jr! :watch:

Can you lower your light or do you keep it up top purposely?

[Jr. Greenthumb]

It "CAN" go down. It is attached to a single chain link right now.

I have it mounted up high like that for a couple reasons. #1 being temps. If I keep it up high like that it pulls more heat out. I could attach a piece of tubing and route it up I guess but I don't for reasons to follow. #2, I have that cool little meter and with all the reflectex in there there isn't much of a differance in the light output in that few feet of differance. This grow I am going to lower the light a couple feet for the mear fact that I want to try to keep the plants as compact as possible for this grow.

I got kids screaming behind my head right now so I gotta go. Can't think with all the screaming. AND we got more kids coming. My son had a birthday the other day and today he is having a party.

I get to drink beer, Grill, and smoke a few bowls. Everyone else gets to watch the kids..... lol


I looked in on the grow when I got up this morning and I think I counted 28 seedlings now.

[Jr. Greenthumb]

Well I have 32 seedlings now....

I made it over to the hydro store today and picked up some more pots so now I have more than enough to do whatever I want. I think I am gonna put 17 in to begin with then see what happens. If they get too crowded before I flower I can always pull a few out if I have to.

I don't think I am gonna plant them tonight into the Hydro setup but hell you never know. I have some stuff I need to go do tonight but I don't think I am going to, so I might end up planting some for shits and giggles.


We'll see

[Jr. Greenthumb]

Well it has been a while since I had seedlings...... Now I got 34 and not all of them are in the best of shape. I decided to move them today, they aren't looking the best and I really can't figure out why. Maybe a lack of light? but I'm not sure. They are under 60 watts right now, I have used less in the past and had good luck but the leaves are really pointing up like they are trying to get to some light so I figured it was time to move them into my big cab. At first I left the humidome on them but inside of it reached temps of almost 100 degrees. So, I took the dome off and added my handy dandy........ Humidifier.

Before adding the humidifier the humidity was at 40% so we'll see what happens. Hopefully putting them into the main cab and putting some real light on them and a little air they will perk up so I can transplant them this weekend. I want to pick out the best 17 to go into my TurboGarden.

http://www.homegrownbud.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=3713&stc=1&d=1147552781

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[tripnoncid]

lookin good mang :)
trip

[Vortex]

Great pics, get a really good look at the development at this stage.

[Jr. Greenthumb]

Well Ya'll........

I was gonna transplant all my plants into the Hydro unit today but hit a roadblock kinda sorta. I am using Triflex nutes from Botonicare this grow, it is a 3 part formula and sounds like it is great. Anyhow, I got the recomended feeding schedule and was gonna try to go kinda by it. I also have the Botonicare ph UP & DOWN free so I am using it for this grow too instead of my normal stuff. The ph UP & DOWN isn't all that great to tell ya the truth. For some reason it seems to take a while for the ph to change after adding to the reservoir.

Well now for my road block......

Like I said, these nutes are a 3 part setup. You have the Base, Grow, and Bloom. Now going by the recomended feeding schedule it says for Seedlings/Clones on the first week to use 3.5ml per gallon of Base and 7.5 ml of grow which is about a 1/3 of normal I guess.....

So, here's how it went down.....
I put 25 gallons of tap water into the reservoir. Tested it and the ppm was 240 and the PH was around 8.5. I added 2.5ml per gallon(not 3.5 like it recomended) of Base to the res. which came to 62.5ml. Then I put in the Grow and instead of cutting a little back like I shoulda I forgot to so I added 7.5ml per gallon of Grow which I was gonna add 6.5ml. Anyhow, I added 182.5ml of Grow to the res. and since I was limited on the nutes I wasn't about to dump it out by no means just yet. I tested the ppm and it was 860. WOW..... From my normal feeding with Fox Farms that sounds outrageous to start off with. The ph was around 6.5 or a little bit more. I added ph Down 3 different times for a total of 25ml which barely got it below 6.5 so I left it there and figured I would check it later tonight and see if it has dropped anymore.

So here I sit with 860ppm of nutes, 6.5ph, and a little too scared to drop in 16 plants. I realized I can only fir 16 pots not 17 like I thought. I came to the conclusion that I will drop in 3 plants in a single row on one side and see how they react to the nutes. If they take a shit then I will know not to add the others until I fix the res. So I will give it a few days and see how they react before I make a move with the others.


For my referance......

Initial Water:
ppm - 240
ph - 8.5

Res. Water:
62.5ml Base
187.5ml Grow

ppm - 860
ph - 6.5+

Added 25ml ph Down
ppm - 860
ph - 6.5-


OK, now some pics......

Here is my cab the way I have it set up right now....
http://www.homegrownbud.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=3737&stc=1&d=1147656090

Here are the plants:

http://www.homegrownbud.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=3738&stc=1&d=1147656090

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[Fred Lemonjello]

Damn Bro.. you got it goin on.... Marvelous!!:woohoo:


Fred

[CB]

So here I sit with 860ppm of nutes,

seems pretty high for babys indeed :eek:

can ya just drian a couple gallons and add fresh h2o back in to dilute it some?

at that ppm I'm usally going into flower not starting out

will be watching to see how they handle it

grow on

[Jr. Greenthumb]

Well CB I can/could drain it and lower the ppm a little but I am below the recomended level at this point if I go by the papaerwork with the Triflex nutes. I wanted to try it since I already put it that high just to see how they react. The nutes are 100% organic so that may be why it seams so high but I am just not buying it just yet. I have to see it work to believe it.

Looking at the plants today they seam to be doing a little bit better. I don't know if it will last or if they will get burned but we will see in time.

[Jr. Greenthumb]

OK, well I have been like beyond busier than hell the last few days. Very little sleep and no time at home to speak of. Anyhow, That is mostly behind me for a while I think.....

As for the plants....
They were looking good, the three I tried in the high ppm that is. So, I transplanted the rest of them in as little time as I could while everyone else was in bed. I had like 5 hours before I had to leave again and I spent 2 of it transplanting and cleaning up. But I got it done and that is all that mattered. The ppm before I transplanted was still like 800. So it was down a little. The ppm is now like 600. I don't know if the plants used up all of it or if it just stayed in the pots of Silica Stone...... I didn't check it right after the first flood and drain cycle so it is a mystery. Where's scoobie do when ya need him..... lol

I got a pic of one of the plants that was transplanted as a test, one of the first 3. It is below..... Then I also have a group pic right after the transplant. I wasn't able to get any pics tonight, I can't even find my camera let alone my damned mind. It's been a hectic few days to say the least and tonight I am like completely mentally exhausted. So, here is what I have so far. I just wanted to do a quick post so I didn't forget myself and to let Ya'll know.

http://www.homegrownbud.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=3861&stc=1&d=1148174425

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[Cranky]

WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOW
THERE

sit down for abit bro(IT'S SUNDAY)...kick back...here,light this up:rastab:

sounds like ya need to chill for a few there buddy;)

life's to short for that shit mate;)


glad the grows ok .800ppm's:eek: where the fucks pork chop going wrong:rolleyes:

I'll be honest mate...aint read half this one yet so cant really comment much...have to go back to da start me thinks and get back to yas;)

stay cool bro:cool:

cranks

[Jr. Greenthumb]

Yes Cranky I do need to sit back and chill a bit. There was a lot of money on the line and I had to go get it. It's all over for now till next time. As for chillen, that's what we're wrokin on now. We're tryin to decide what we are gonna do today. Everyone already got their showers and now we're just not in no hurry to do anything yet. I think we are gonna go out to the lake and have a nice little grill out.

As for the grow. I must have been completely stoned when I read the ppm the other day or something cause when I checked it in a bit more depth and care today it was still at almost 800. It was 790 and the PH was up so I added some ph Down to fix that. They are coming along really well in this setup right now. They are doing exactly what I want them to do. Grow and look good doin it. lol...

I can really tell a differance between yesterday and today so that is saying something. I don't know if it is the nutes or what but I have never had my PPM this high this early. My AK-48 barely got that high at Harvest time. Usually if I got it above 800 they got burned. But then again I was using Fox Farms and it isn't 100% Organic like this stuff is. I guess the pictures do all the talking so here are a few......

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[Lollie1]

Hi Jr. Greenthumb,

Your plants are looking nice and healthy. I'd like to see what you do with them. Mind if I watch? :coffee: I'm going to subscribe.

All the best,
Lollie

[Vortex]

Coming along - here's to hopin for lots of girls, but judging by the results. You might get a keeper of a male!
Great growin and yeah I'm still lurkiin :)

[Jr. Greenthumb]

Hey Lollie, Thanks for droppin in and having a look see. Sit down pull up a seat and trust me by the time this grow is over we'll both be scratching our heads. lol

Vortex...... Any and all males this go round I plan on chopping. Well, at least for now I plan on giving them a chop. I may try to take one and put into another cab to flower out a little and polenate one or two branches but we'll see whan we get there.


As for the plants, they are still doing good. I have been busy again so I haven't checked the ppm or ph in the last 2 days. I need to do it tonight. Last night I ended up riding till about 3:00am, it was a little chilli but by god I was on two wheels and all alone on the road and the peace of mind was well worth freezing my balls off. lol.....

Here are a few pics of the plants I just took.


http://www.homegrownbud.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=3926&stc=1&d=1148512865

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[Jr. Greenthumb]

I've been fighting PH like crazy..... I can't get it to go below 6.5ish. The Silica Stone is notorious for that and so is Silica additives so I was expecting it.

I am gonna go and up the ppm's here in a bit to the recomended levels by the chart and see what happens.......

I'll get some more pics and whatnot while I'm in there....

[Jr. Greenthumb]

Well not much ended up happenin last night. I got stoned and didn't accomplish much but take a few pics.

Tonight I did all my res. work. I added another 5 gallon of Water, it was getting pretty low. The recomended nutrient level right now is 6-7ml per gallon of base and 12-14ml per gallon of Grow. By following the chart from the recomended amount of the 1st week which was 3.5ml base and 7.5 Grow then I need to add 1.5ml Base per gallon and 3ml per gallon Grow. So that is what I did and that made my ppm 1000! :eek: :eek: By looking at the leaves they are a lighter green than they have been in the last few days so I said what the hell, we'll see what happens.


OK. This first pic I took last night. Look at what these plants are doing.... They are staying short like I wanted and they already have great secondary growth going on. Look at that, less than 2", I like that......

http://www.homegrownbud.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=3967&stc=1&d=1148685995

This pic shows the leaves, they are a lighter green than they have been.

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Group Shot.......

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[gorilla]

Thats real nice JR. And you keep that light way the hell up there. Jeez i'll probably stop worrying so much about my light being strain on my plants after seeing this. Good job pal, i hope these turn out great for you. Don't do anything too crazy with all those nutes and numbers and mumbo jumbo. :p

[Jr. Greenthumb]

Gorrilla......

To tell ya the truth man those nute numbers are freaking me out. However, when I opened the doors up this mornin the leaves are noticeably darker green so I guess they did what they needed to do. We'll see how they continue to look tomorrow but I don't think there will be any issues.

As for the light.....
When I first built the cab I did a shitload of testing to see what the best placement of the light would be for coverage and heat build up in the cab. As for the heat build up, If I lower it too much the heat up top builds up and gets over 100 fairly easily but if I keep it up high the heat isn't an issue. I could add a piece of flex-pipe to keep intake up towards the top but due to other issues I said Screw it.... I bought a neat little light meter that tells you the luman output. So I tested the light at the top of the plants with the light all the way up and it measured the exact same as it did when I dropped it within 18" of the tops. The reflectex stuff I use reflects really good so I take it that is the reason the light is the same pretty much everywhere in my cab. I tested it once when I had the Hydro System out and cleaning it just to see how much it dropped clear at the bottom of the cab. I did notice a differance then. So, where the top of the plants are now and the light sits now there is NO light loss to speak of, SO no worries here....

[Jr. Greenthumb]

Hee's a couple pics from today. They are getting a little darker green and still looking rather healthy....

I just don't understand why these Triflex nutes make the ppm so high. Makes you worry. I have had grows that never hit 1000ppm let alone one that was at 1000 in the first couple weeks.


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[midwestbluntman]

Other than the high ppm's what do ya think about the triflex nutes?The plants look great so they must like um.

[Cranky]

wow...1000ppms....ill be lucky to get that high by the time im finished.

what ya gonna end up on mate?3-4000 hehe

plants look great mate.

good on yas

cranky

[Jr. Greenthumb]

Well Mid like you said the plants look great so I think they are liking it so that means I am liking it.... lol.... So far I am pretty impressed with it but we still have a while to go so we'll see how it goes....

Cranky, I have had whole grows that never hit 1000ppm myself that is part of the reason I am worried about this stuff. Another side of that stone is, I have never used 100% fully Organic nutes before. Last I used Fox Farms but it is Organic Based and not 100% Organic so that may be the reason the PPM is so high.. I don't know I am just guessing on that. Looking at how high the ml per gallon goes toward the end of flowering it looks like my plants will hit close to 2000-2500 ppm. I plan on taking a single gallon of water and add the recomended levels so I can write down what the ppms are supposed to be for that amount so I know what to expect next time.


As for the plants. They are stilling doing great and seam to like the high ppms. I changed my flood times this mornin. I was flooding 3 times a day and I changed it to 4 times a day just to see how they react. I also topped the plant today and should top the 2nd time in a week or soish then after they recover from that I will go into flowering. So, in the next couple weeks I will be flowering. Can't wait!


Here's a group shot before I did anything. I was flooding when this pic was taken.
http://www.homegrownbud.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=3999&stc=1&d=1148913077

All this growth is why I went ahead and topeed.
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Here is the plant before I topped it. Look real closely to how small the top leaf set is and how much I cut off. I found that the smaller the top you cut off the quicker it recovers and it really don't stress any over it either. This is the first time I have grownt this but the AK-48 which is the mother plant really likes being topped and grows rather well with it and gives a great even canopy when topped twice.
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Here's the plant after I topped.
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Here is how small the piece is I cut off.
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[gorilla]

Okay, I read this a lot and I cant for the life of me understand.

How do you top TWICE?

I've topped a plant before, that is, cut off the newest top growth and 2 MAIN shoots were formed out of the two existing branches.

Again, twice? :shrug:

[dredank]

lookin good jr;) i love topping plants, just messing with them in any way actually:D

grow on
peace

[Cranky]

Okay, I read this a lot and I cant for the life of me understand.

How do you top TWICE?

I've topped a plant before, that is, cut off the newest top growth and 2 MAIN shoots were formed out of the two existing branches.

Again, twice? :shrug:

you then go and top them 2 branches thats come from the first top;)

cranky

[gorilla]

The result would be 4 tops instead of two?

neat.

[Cranky]

you got it mate;)

cranks

[Jr. Greenthumb]

Yea like cranky said.... lol

I top the first time at the 5th node then let it grow for a couple weeks. Out of that first topping, like you said, you get 2 growths coming out of it. On the 2nd node of those chutes I top them again. You don't really end up with 4 tops you end up with more like 20. What happens by topping twice is all the growth under the main top grows enough to catch up with the top of the plant so you end up with one fairly even canopy. Well it has worked like that for me with the AK-48 most every time I have done it.

I started doing this when I first moved here to this house and wasn't feeling good about firing up the grow just yet so I fired up the cab and put in a few basil plants just to keep the electric bill where I wanted it. I just experimented with them and when I topped them it was amazing what happened so I tried it the next time I grew some MJ and it did just the same as the basil. I have been doing it ever since.

No real updates right now, my hands are full but I plan on going up here in a bit to do some work and take some pics so I'll try to update later tonight....

Jr.

[Jr. Greenthumb]

Well I went up and fixed up the res and took some pics. The res. was about 3 gallons low so I figured it was a good time to see what kind of ppm's to expect with the next weeks recomended ml per gallon of nutes. So, I took 1 gallon of water and added next weeks nutes which was 7.5-10 base and 15-20 grow. First gallon was 7.5base and 15 grow which gave a ppm of 1250 then the next gallon I added 10 base ans 20 grow which gave me a ppm of 1600. The last gallon was just ph adjusted water with no nutes.

When I first tested the res before doing anything the ppm was at 950 so it was down from 1000 which is a good sign. PH is still right around 6.2ish.....

Below are some pics:

Here is a good pic of the growth after the first topping.
http://www.homegrownbud.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=4043&stc=1&d=1149213691

Here is a side shot of the growth. When you top it the side growth grows faster it seams. I haven't tested it but when I top it always seems to grow really quick until the top starts growing good again.
http://www.homegrownbud.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=4044&stc=1&d=1149213691

Here is a group shot.
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[Jr. Greenthumb]

Well Yesterday I went and picked up some more nutes. The little package of these nutes were a trial thingy and I think I could have stretched it all the way thru the grow but I figured what the hell I'll get some more and do it right. The week before flowering they recomend using Base, grow, and bloom at 7-10ml per gallon. Instead of trying to stretch it all out I am just gonna change the reservoir for that week and change it again when I go into full flowering.

Anyhow, I fixed up some new res. water in a 35 gallon black tub. I like doing it that way so I know what the res is going to be before I put it in the reservoir. What I do is dump 25 gallons of water in it then dump all the nutes in it and adjust the PH if needed. I let it sit overnight to make sure the the res is at room temp and that all the PH and ppm's have set in and got all mixed up good. I also keep a small pump in there to keep it mixed up during the wait.

I added 7ml per gallon of each Base, Grow, and Bloom like it recomends and the ppm was at 1280. I haven't checked it this mornin to see if it is still the same but I'll tell ya when I change the res. out later today. The PH worked out great, it is right on 6.0 so I'm happy.

[dredank]

looking good jr.nice n healthy;) i also notice topping makes the side shoots grow faster. thats double topping sounds nice too i thinki will try it out:D

peace

[Lollie1]

Hi Jr. Greenthumb,

Looks like you are going for some bushes for flowering. I like them also.:p

I have a suggestion, if you're interested? If not, enjoy your hedges? :D

All the best,
Lollie

[Jr. Greenthumb]

Hey Lollie I am always open for suggestion. I tend to go off and try this and that in the middle of something else so ya never know what I might end up trying. I'll listen to any ideas anyone might have.....

Dre...... Thanks bro. I've had some sort of issue the last few grows so it is nice to have one turn out with no hitches so far.

Well I topped the 2nd time tonight and hopefully this weekend I will go into flowering. Here are some pics....

Here's the tools for tonight. The bud in the center is what caused such a stoned post......
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[Lollie1]

Hi Jr. Greenthumb,

I have a suggestion, if you're interested? If not, enjoy your hedges?

I posted that just after I saw this picture.
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I saw how the leaves were curling under toward the outside of the plant. When I see that it tells me the plant is not processing like she should because she has too much of something. I could be food, heat, a number of things.

But, when I saw this one
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I was you already realized that and corrected what was going on.

I'm feeling chatty lately, maybe too much. :eek: :rolleyes:

Things are looking great.

All the best,
Lollie

[Shadows]

hmm, well damn, nothing much to add here Jr. Looks like you have an idea of whats going on in there. Nice healthy looking plants to boot. anyway, taking my place in the corner.

Grow on bro
NDS

[bigsmoker420]

thats damn nice greenthumb ive been wanting to do hydroponics but it seems like its complicating you damn sure know what your doing

[Jr. Greenthumb]

Lollie, I didn't change anything in my grow. One thing I have noticed with this Flood & Drain shit is sometimes you get that, or at least I do for some reason. I don't know if it is from the flood cycle or what. It also may be from the heat because sometimes my room gets up close to 90. It hasn't been over 90 yet this year but it has in the past. I have noticed them doing it a few times this grow, the leaves curling under that is, what I do is feel the leaf and if it feels soft and thick I don't worry too much. If it is dry and thin feeling then I look into it a little deeper. It may have very well been too much heat because once or twice in the last week I have noticed the temps at like 89. The Humidifier also ran out of water once last week and the Humidity dropped from like 60% to 25% that would have been somewhere around the same time that pic was taken I think. What I really look for out of the leaves for any sign of nute burn is right on the very tip of the leaf, it it turns brown then the rest is soon to follow if it is nute burn. I have been keeping a really close eye on them and haven't seen any signs what-so-ever so Hopefully all is good with the nutes. Anything you see by all means point them out bro. I am NOT an expert by NO means but I do know more than the average bear, sometimes... lol.

Well Hey Shadows....... Haven't seen ya round in a while bro. Glad to see ya droppin in to say hi. Hope all is going well on your end of the world.

Bigsmoker..... Bro, by all means try it. I highly recomend Hydro. You know exactly what is in your root system and you can control it in my opinion better than in dirt. Plus the growth is so much quicker than in dirt. I would suggest trying a bubbler bucket first. I did that my first Hydro grow and ended up switching all the way over to hydro, just wish I wouldn't have gone with this EBB&Flow. I just haven't gotten it down yet for some reason, I'm getting better at it though maybe I'll like it after I get the hang of it.


Anyhow, the grow is all still looking good and all is growing fine. I plan on mixing up Flower nutes this Fri. or Sat. and flip my lights over to 12/12 Sunday night. At least that is the plans for right now. You never know when things will change though.


Jr.

[Jr. Greenthumb]

Well today I switched over to Flowering. I just now went back to see when I transplanted them into Hydro, I did it 3 weeks ago today on 5-20-06. The plants are a little bigger than I want them to be but I think all will be fine. I didn't get a ruler out or anything but they look like they are probably 8-10" tall. It all depends on how many turn out female, I may have a pretty full cabinet, huh.

Anyways, today I mixed up my nutes this mornin. I used 7.5ml per gallon of Base and 15ml per gallon bloom and I also picked up some Additive. I had great luck with BioBizz's Topmax so I got it again for this grow. When I used it in the past I got some really thick dense buds so I figured I would try it out again. I added 2ml per gallon of it. That gave me an ending PPM of 1300 which isn't too much higher than it was before the change so I'm still not too worried. My PH fell just a little below canary yellow on the drip test so I am guessing around 5.8, it had a slight orangish/red tint to it.

I have a couple plants already showing hairs so I know I have atleast 3 females so far. lol! Unless they change there minds. :eek:

If you look at the plants, some are growing very very good while others are sorta laggin behind. Some in this pic really show there leaves curling under like what was pointed out earlier but actually standing there with the doors open they aren't as bad as it looks in this pic. Made me scratch my head when I was flipping thru the pics I took. I know I was stoned but not that bad..... lol. I was changing the time on/off on my timer, when I picked it up it said 4:20pm so I laid it back down and picked up my bowl.

I think I covered everything. Smoked a few bowls today on my day off for rest and relaxation. I cooked som Kabobs on the grill and ready to kick back on the couch and veg out to a movie or somthin'.

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[bigsmoker420]

lookin nice there ijust got some plans for a bubbler bucket and should be starting my first hydro when i get done with my soil grow

[Jr. Greenthumb]

Yea BigSmoker you'll definately like Hydro bro. At least I did. When I first got into it I was a little frusterated cause I really had no idea what I was doing and made it harder than it really was. So my biggest suggestion would be to RELAX and have fun with it. Count your first grow dead! Don't plan on harvesting anything from the beginning. By doing this you won't freak out and OH MY GOD I WON"T HAVE NO BUD!!!!! AHHHHH........... You'll get bud just don't count on it if Ya understand my stoned blabber.... lol.

ANyways...... I got some more pics today. The plants also looked a lot better than they did yesterday.

http://www.homegrownbud.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=4346&stc=1&d=1150164621



Here's a couple closeups of the leaves that are doing that curly shit......

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[ChronicSmoker]

Hey, nice looking plants. I'm not sure if you've already said this, but how long do you let your plants veg for and how tall do you let you them get before flowering in there? Also what do you find to be the best amount of plants for that size space?

[Jr. Greenthumb]

Well Chronic,
First off thanks. As for how long I let them Veg. Well it really depends on what I want them to do in the end. These I flowered small so they don't get huge. I just take in to consideration that the plant will quadruple its size from the beginning of flower to harvest. So if I want to let 1 plant grow big then I would let it veg a bit longer. This time I have 16 plants which is a SOG style grow. I have never grown like this before so I really can't answer ya. But, what I have found from my few years of indoor cultivation, with careful growing and manipulation you can grow as many or as little in a space as you want.

Explanation: If you have a 2'x4' space like I have. If you are planning on a few plants but want a full canopy of bud then you can Top, do LST, FIMM, or many other training techniques. This will allow more bud for your space than just letting them grow like normal. If you plant more plants and flower earlier or if you grow less plants and veg longer chances are you will harvest the same in the end the only differance is the end will (should) be quicker with more plants and a shorter veg cycle. Make sense?????? There are so many varables with growing it is hard to say what is "Optimal" because what works for me may not work for you and the same in reverse. There are many people out there that swear by Flood & Drain but it is killing me learning it for some reason but others take to it like a duck on water. I guess I rambled on enough, did I even answer your question? lol


As for the plants, they look like they grew a couple inches since the last time I looked in. They are still looking good. I would get some pics to show you but I took my camera to work today and the battery is dead. I will try to get some tomorrow.

[Jr. Greenthumb]

Well not alot is happenin other than the plants doing there normal flowering stretch. They have doubled there size or maybe a little more which is normal. The plants look really good other than some growing more than others which happens when you don't grow from clone. I think I am gonna take one of these females and make a mother plant out of for my next grow so I can have a more even SOG grow. The plants are really looking good now, real good and green, healthy, and a lot of growth. They aren't really showing their sex yet but I should know all of them by next weekend. This is only the first week of flower. Some were showing hairs last week but I can't seem to find them now, but I'm not looking really hard either. They will show there sex in due time, they aren't gonna hurt anything so I am not all that worried. Another week won't hurt anything at all other than taking up space.

As for the details.....
ppm still around 1300
PH still around 6.0
using about 1/2 gallon of water a day.
I add back nutes at the same as the res. when I replace the used up water.



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[Jr. Greenthumb]

WOW has it ever been a hectic last week or so. It is amazing that I haven't really had a chance to even look in on my girls but maybe twice in the last week or so. I have been busy as hell and just haven't had time for life let alone anything else. But today I have to make a major overhaul in the res. area.

The plants stretched really bad and are now just Huge. I opened the cab the other day and seen a bunch of males so I did a quick hack-down and tossed them on a shelf in the closet for use at a later date. I cut either 5 or 6 I forget right now but will count when I am up there in a bit getting the res ready.

Listen to this shit people!
My son is 7 and last night I got a board and shit out and built a ramp for him to jump on his bike. Well, he ramped it a few times and ended up breaking his arm. He broke both bones in his arm right at his elbo. We gots to meet with a surgeon later today to see what we have to do from here wether a simple cast will work or if he has to have a small surgery. Hopefully a cast will be fine. We went to a 24/hr pharmacy last night to pick up his medicine (about 3:am) and talked him into ramping the wheelchair off the sidewalk and today he is already talking about getting back on his bike and ramping again after he heels so it didn't put too much fear into him, thank god....

[gorilla]

I can't wait to see that closet when it's all budded up, Jr. I've got high hopes. :P

Good to hear your son toughed it out :P Sorry your life is so hectic.. :share:

[Jr. Greenthumb]

Well I have neglected my grow SO bad I am surprised I haven't seen problems with the plants yet. I am just now getting around to changing the reservoir. I ended up going fishing yesterday afternoon for a little bit and didn't make it home till 6:00am this mornin, ended up night fishing and smoking out with my lil brother reminising about old times. Made for a rather relaxing night that has been long over-due. But now it's time to come back to reality and all the craziness involved.

The res was literally 15 gallons low. :eek:
I tested the ppm and it was so high it didn't even register on my Oakton meter and the PH was like 5 or so. So, I dumped it all and am pumping good res. water back into it as I type. The res. is right at 1400ppm and the ph is right around 6.5ish. I added 8ml of base per gallon and 16ml per gallon of bloom. I also used 5ml per gallon of Biobizz's Topmax bloom stimulator. I really love that stuff, I have had great harvests using the stuff so I decided to use it here.

As for the plants, they are getting huge. I guess next time I will top the first time in veg and then go into flowering before I top the 2nd time and hopefully it will keep them alot shorter. I'll experiment with it during my next grow and see how it goes for me.

Oh yea, I have 10 female plants now. I had 5 male and 1 hermie out of 16 plants.

Well, I guess we're on to some new pics.

Here's the whole cab. You can really see how big they have grown. They stretched quite a bit huh.....
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If you look real close you can see the inner part of the hairs are starting to get some purple around them already. Looks real cool when you are all stoned and staring at them. lol
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[bigsmoker420]

those look like they got some stretch to them eh

[Jr. Greenthumb]

Yea Bigsmoker they really did get some stretch to them. They have just about quadrupled there size in three weeks so hopefully they don't get much more height if any from now on out. I guess we'll just have to see how they grow.

All is going well still today with the plants but the heat got pretty high yesterday. Almost 105 :eek: .......

We had a cookout and turned the A/C off cause we knew the kids would have the door open constantly and the room the cab is in was about 100. I realized it just at dark so I cracked a window to cool it down. Today they look just fine so I don't think it hurt them any. They did use about 2 gallons of res water though.

[Fred Lemonjello]

WOWWY wow wow.... they sure have grown!!!
FabUlous Brutha! :gthumb:

Fred

[Jr. Greenthumb]

Yes they are growing, WAY TOO MUCH.........

They are stretching ALOT more than I really expected them ever to. It is a little discouraging but hell nothing ever goes as plans does it. I had to do a little tieing tonight to keep them off the glass of the light but hopefull all will end well. I am sure I will have to do alot more tieing but Oh well. Here's a pic of what they look like, before and after the tieing........

Here they are before I did any tieing, look at the glass and look how many tops are touching it.
http://www.homegrownbud.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=4812&stc=1&d=1152500093

Here they are as of now.....
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[gorilla]

Holy crap jr!

How long into flowering now bro?

[Jr. Greenthumb]

Yea no shit Gorilla, It burns my ass everytime I open the cab doors. I got pissed and started weaving limbs around and tieing shit against the walls to get them off of the glass. a couple tops got pretty burned but Oh Well......

I did some serious thinking tonight and almost pulled them out and took them to an outside location for a transplant but I'm to lazy to do anything but sleep tonight so they're safe for now.

All the plants have this stretched look to them but 1. That 1 is what I like in a plant. Nice tight structure and nice tight bud sets. I am gonna take a bunch of the undergrowth and clone it later this week when I fell a little better. I have cloned this late before with luck but I had like a 50 dead rate. I also used a different method then so I think this time will be better now that I have great equipment and know what the hell I am doing, almost..... lol

I also changed the res. again today because I let it go since the last res. change and it was all fucked up so I just made some new. This time I am gonna MAKE myself check at least every other day and fill it up accordingly. I'm still working 2 jobs 3/4 of a week at each so that leaves -20 a week to live.... lol. But, things are working out great for me where I want it to and I think I will be down to 1 job again here very soon.

Anyhow, here are some pics.....

Well here is what most of the buds look like.
http://www.homegrownbud.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=4851&stc=1&d=1152755690

And here is the one I like the best......
http://www.homegrownbud.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=4852&stc=1&d=1152755690

Here is a couple cab shots to see the ties.......

http://www.homegrownbud.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=4853&stc=1&d=1152755690

http://www.homegrownbud.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=4854&stc=1&d=1152755690

[gorilla]

Man, JR.

Those plants were so much smaller when you started flowering!! haha.

Hope they stop growing up for ya, and just start getting fat.

All the best with that jungle there, bro.

[Jr. Greenthumb]

Well I had to leave town for a few days but all is well. The plants almost ran out of water and the PH was all fugged up and all that good stuff. I fixed up the res and now I have to do some more Tieing. I got some pics last night as I was fixing the res. up but I am pressed for time so I will update later on tonight.

I have 3 types of plants. One plant is more like the AK-48, one is like the LightStorm, and the rest are all fucked up and stretchy looking with really loose hairy buds that are spaced way apart. I will get some good pics up so you can see.....