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Pork Chop

04-23-2006, 04:51 PM

hi all,new around here and i just thought i would post up my first go at hydro.

im using 2 x 20ltr buckets
dutch master 1 part nutrients(veg & bloom).i may add some boost as i go along.

these blueberry clones have been going a week now but i only had a shit ph meter at the time and i have now fond out that it was way off the mark...i should of been adding ph up if anything but instead i was adding ph down each day as my pooey meter was telling me it kept rising....

so,until my digital ph pen gets here(end of the week)im using a test drop kit.
heres how the test looked when i tried the res for the first time with it .

http://www.homegrownbud.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=3255&stc=1&d=1145832435

and this is how it is now;) .
http://www.homegrownbud.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=3256&stc=1&d=1145832435

ppm is at 250
ph about 5.5-6.0
res temps 21c

a mates been holding my hand upto now(thanks buddy if ya watching)....thought maybe you lot can have ago....:D

as for lighting , theres just under a few 4ft flouros for now but they will go under a 400w aircooled hps once i get my new fan and roots have grown abit more.

http://www.homegrownbud.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=3259&stc=1&d=1145832435

well heres a few pics......will add what ive forgot later;)

thanks for looking and hope ya can give a few tips where needed:cool:

porky:)

thaistick

04-23-2006, 06:25 PM

:watch:

Send some karma your way.. Good luck with the grow bro. I will be keeping an eye out. I am starting a new bucket grow soon and am interested in seeing how different products react to different setups. Good luck! Lookin good.

Take care,
the one, the only,
!TS

Pork Chop

04-25-2006, 05:31 PM

thanks thaistick,i will try not to mess up to much and i will be looking out for your bubbler grow....have you done a bubbler grow before?any tips?

ok so today i came home from work and my ph pen had arrived:) so i went straight to see what was what with my bubblers.

now my drop test kit was piss yellow which is ment to be ok but when i stuck the ph meter in it was 6.2.i then went and tested the meter in my ph 7.0 buffer soulution and it read 6.6 so i recalabrated it to the same as the buffer soulution 7.0

so,i went back and rechecked.this time it was 6.6.i added 2 drops of ph down and thier now sitting at 5.8.

i also checked my ppm before dropping ph down and it was the same...250ppm.

its been about 6 hours since i adjusted the ph to 5.8 and i can actually see in that time that the roots have grown some:eek: and the ppms have dropped to 230 in one and 235 in the other:cool:

http://www.homegrownbud.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=3279&stc=1&d=1146007713

res temps are 22-24 and cab temps are 76f min-82f max.

i also made up some solution to top up one bucket as it was about 2 inch away from net pot so i brought it upto 1/4 inch below the net pot with a ph of 5.8 and ppm at 235.

well thats it for now,hopefully i should come home from work tomorrow and see abit of growth for a change;)

thanks for reading
porky

reubeni

04-25-2006, 09:43 PM

:hello: PC welcome to HGB so a hydro newbe eh well it looks like you got a nice setup going there bro2thumbs just a got a couple of questions I am interested to see how you get on as never done hydro meself because of the rabies:rolleyes:
1. how did you derive at the 255ppm as for instance my tap water is 550ppm after ro filter its 55ppm so to get 255 growing ppm I would have to bring the grow solution up to 310ppm which I believe from my limited knowledge of aqua is a good place to start.
2. temps of the solution how do you intend to keep temps below the 24c optimum range and will you use h2o2 to keep the dreaded rootrot away.

I think this journal will be a good learning tool for anyone intending to try hydro good stuff bro and big kharma:cool:

p.s you got same tds meter as I

Pork Chop

04-26-2006, 04:15 PM

cheers reubeni seems pretty cool round here;)

well dude my tap water is only 35 ppm so i just added enough nutes untill i hit 250ppm.as for keeping my temps at 20-22,i just toss 2 froozen pop bottles filled with water in about 3 times aday.if i didnt do this then my res temps would be about 27c:eek: which is warmer than the cab temps.i think my pump if throwing out warm air:( .whilst im at work res temps can get to 25c but that just for a few hours as i always put in 3 frozen bottles before i goto work;) .
http://www.homegrownbud.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=3289&stc=1&d=1146088264
well looks like this new ph pen needs calibrating before every use.came home today and checked ph and it was 6.2.silly me jumped the gun and added 2 small drops of ph down to one bubbler and then i thought...its a new pen...best check and throw it in some ph 7 buffer solution and it read 7.3 so this one bubbler wasnt at 6.2 but 5.9 which i would of left alone.when i checked after calibrating and after i added ph down it was 5.1:eek: .to sort this i took out 6 ltrs from the bubbler and replaced it with tap water which is at 7.0 and ppm of 250.this brought it back to 5.8 and ppm is 248.

as i mentioned in my last post,i thought they were drinking nutes....turns out i should clean pen in tap water before going on to testing the next bubbler as the readings always differ by a few....you have this prob with your pen reubeni??

anyways alls good now and am starting to notice growth which i havent seen since i had 1.5 weeks ago.

o'well,ya live and learn.....thankls for stopping by:)
porky:cool:

reubeni

04-26-2006, 05:39 PM

1.cheers reubeni seems pretty cool round here;)

2.well dude my tap water is only 35 ppm

3.bubbler wasnt at 6.2 but 5.9 which i would of left alone.when i checked after calibrating and after i added ph down it was 5.1:eek: .to sort this i took out 6 ltrs from the bubbler and replaced it with tap water which is at 7.0 and ppm of 250.this brought it back to 5.8 and ppm is 248.

4.i should clean pen in tap water before going on to testing the next bubbler as the readings always differ by a few....

5.you have this prob with your pen reubeni??

6.o'well,ya live and learn.....thankls for stopping by:)
porky:cool:

Thanx for aving me PC still not to straight whats going on there pass that pipe and I will tell you:D

1.=true

2.=if so it must have been pissed by angels! as only distillation or RO filtration can produce water that pure that you could put in a car battery the other possible cause would be a faulty tds meter.

3.was always taught in carpentry school to measure 3 times and cut once.

4.the pen tip should always be stored in 7.0 or near as solution if not it goes out of calibration(read the instructions)

5.no

6.true

p.s the babes look nice though:D grow on2thumbs

midwestbluntman

04-26-2006, 05:45 PM

porky
looks like things are takin off for ya bro.Always glad to see a new water garden journal.The bubblers are bubbling away great job man,what kinda air pumps are ya running and how did ya curve the dreaded humm?Ive been thinkin about running a Ebb-n-Flo setup in the new cab because of the airpump noises.I havent give up on the cab build just been biding my time and gathering goodies for it.I wish there was more DIY'ers here at HGB but oh well.

Pork Chop

04-29-2006, 05:48 PM

well reb,i been testing the tds pen and i see the X10 ya talking about but only when i stick it in my ph buffer.so im happy that my ppm levels in my water is almost heavenly;)

hi midwestbluntman,thanks for looking in.well the pump is this(hope you can read wing wong:D seems ok noise wise(i may of got use to it?)but it does seem to be pumping out warmish air:o ...no to worried about it though as im keeping my res temps at a steady 20c - 22c.
http://www.homegrownbud.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=3319&stc=1&d=1146354293

http://www.homegrownbud.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=3320&stc=1&d=1146354293

not much to report i guess.ppms are about the same and ph is at 5.8 and 6.0.
http://www.homegrownbud.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=3322&stc=1&d=1146354293
roots are coming slowly but i guess its taking time to get over the shock of sitting in real low ph shit for a week??:( maybe im just expecting to much:rolleyes: )
http://www.homegrownbud.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=3321&stc=1&d=1146354293

thats it for now,thanks all for lookin in.
porky

04-29-2006, 07:06 PM

my tap water is 550ppm after ro filter its 55ppm

wow 550

my city water was around 55-65 but i have since moved and didnt start my bubblers up becouse i thought my well water wasnt good enough

here it is tested with my oakton :eek:

think it's time to fire up a bubbler :D

i have allso tested that city water side by side with RO water and gave up do to ph issues with the RO and went with city water only....

any how grow on porky

Pork Chop

04-29-2006, 07:15 PM

well,like i said...no X10 any where on my meter as you can see and thats in my toilet water:o

maybe ya meters fucked reb?im gonna get some calibration fluid for mine on the weekend just to keep be on the safe side.

porky;)

Jr. Greenthumb

04-29-2006, 09:38 PM

Well guys, as for the ppm of your water it all comes down to how the water dept treats your water. If it is a chemically treated softening process then your ppm is going to be higher then one that uses filtering methods. Some water deptartments these days are actually treating the water with an R.O. style filter, just in a mega scale.......

As for the PH meter. That is the reason I don't have one. You have to keep the damn thing in liquid all the time and you can't let that tip dry out. I just think the PH pens are a pain in the ass so I use the drops. But, to each his own ya know.....

Glad to see another Hydro journal pop up in here so welcome on in.

Unfortunately I am not growing right now. I haven't been able to say that for some time now. And it is by choice not by have too. Well, kinda. lol. I'm just too busy to get a grow started right now but I hope in the next few weeks I will be getting it fired back up.

I really like the Bubblers. That is what I first started out with and I have been hydro ever since. I should have stuck with the bubbler buckets though because I had much better luck with it. I don't know if it is because I had to mess with it everyday wether I wanted to or not or if it is because I am better with them than I am the EBB & Flow. But regardless, the bubblers are very easy bro. They just get to be a pain in the ass when you are at the last month or so of your grow and you are changing your PPM and PH everyday and adding to your reservoir. It just got to be too much for me to mess with so I moved on to bigger and not so better things.

There is a lot of knowledge floating around here bro so don't feel like your alone or that noone can help you. ANY question you have ask it and I am sure it will be answered in no time by someone that has done it themselves. alot of people that has been journaling and growing for a while tend to sit back and watch journals rather than jump in with both feet for some reason but when an actual question is asked they tend to step up to the plate and answer it.

So, hey...... Enough stoned rambling on my part here. Good luck with the grow and keep it green.....

Jr.

Cranky

04-30-2006, 11:04 AM

not into this hydro shit but im watching.

you can do it!!

cranky

Pork Chop

04-30-2006, 11:15 AM

cheers guys,hope ya can help me out if needs be....ill be sure to HOLA if come unstuck;)

right well today was a res change day.ive flushed the rockwool abit with same ph and ppm as new res(5.9 and 250ppm)just to flush out any of the old acidic shit that may have been left in there from last week.(just to be on the safe side)

i have also taken the rockwool cubes out of the net pots whilst i could as they were sitting on the bottom of the net pot and was constantly soaked.i have also made the holes bigger in the pots(just abit:D ) as they were abit to small.

ive brought the res up to the point where its just covering the net pot so its hitting the roots but not enough to soak the cube;)

now im happy with it..just a case of time:)

just a couple of pics
porky

reubeni

05-01-2006, 02:11 AM

Wow PC nice little white worms in that there RW good to see everthing going to spec:smoke1: heres some k+ for the grow:grow:

p.s tds pen is alright water is shyte where I am all recycled been drunk and pissed out more than 7 times:(

peace bro grow on

reubeni

05-05-2006, 04:51 PM

porky
looks like things are takin off for ya bro.
The bubblers are bubbling away great job man,what kinda air pumps are ya running and how did ya curve the dreaded humm? pump noises.

I think the word your looking for MWBM is"Drone" a bit like liveing near a bee hive/motorway/newklera powerstation..all that noise, real or perseved; gives me the "hebeesjibees":o or maybe the ganga is too good!
I know a guy with heavy machinery who uses a big 18" speaker and plays back the sound 180 out of phase and it cancels out, but maybe he aint smoking good shyte

How you getting on with the dredded; drone? PC :rolleyes:

Pork Chop

05-07-2006, 08:29 AM

well reubeni,as for the noise levels,inside the room where the cabs are is pretty noisey but that room that the cabs are in is in another room if ya gets me so you cant hear anything outside the 2 rooms;)

as for the plants,well, there gone.were'nt really pulling thier weight if ya gets me so as a good mate has offered to help me out with some clones(healthy,1.5ft tall)then i thought id fuck um off and start over.

plants should be here in a few hours so i'll update then;)

thanks for looking.
porky

Pork Chop

05-07-2006, 09:06 AM

oh,i just wanted to run this past you lot to see what you think?

the clones im getting has been in 2.0 ec / 1000ppm using ionic nutes,,,now im using 1part dutch master nutes so i was thinking to start at 1.6 ec /800ppm as the nutes are diff and not sure how they will react?or,should i just throw um straight into 2.0 ec/1000ppm as they have been?

just dont want to fuck these up if ya gets me;)

thanks
porky

midwestbluntman

05-07-2006, 09:28 AM

PC
man i would drop back abit like you said,you can always bring it back up but you cant really reverse nute burn.you will know in a matter of a few hours if you need more or less thats the best part about hydro,shit changes pretty fast.Just keep an eye on your numbers and the plants will talk to you.

Pork Chop

05-07-2006, 04:06 PM

thanks mid;)

thats what ive done.

ec 1.6 or ppm at 800 and ph at 5.7 .

right so basicly there on 50/50 veg and bloom nutes at the mo as theyll be going stright into 12/12 asap.

also noticed my ph up is nowhere as near as strong as my ph down?thought i fucked up when sorting the ph out after adding the nutes as i pressed to hard on the syringe and squirted out 1ml insted of a few drops in one bubbler but it turns out that that one ended up at 5.7 and the other was on 5.0 so it turned out i had to add more ph up to that other one.

res temps are 22c/72f
(what is the ideal res temp for bubblers?)

now the 2 strains are sk 1 and bubbleicous.ive tied one over(sk 1) as its taller than the bubbleicous so's just to keep even canapy so that they both get the same intensity of light.

ive also ended up with a brucy bonus:D i got 2 of the same strains but in soil;) there in 6.5 ltr at the mo but will go into 11ltr first thing in the morning.(

well the old hps is up and running and ive got the light miles away at the mo as they have only been under 125w enviros upto now and i dont want to add to the shock of transporting them;)
http://www.homegrownbud.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=3544&stc=1&d=1147039343http://www.homegrownbud.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=3545&stc=1&d=1147039343

http://www.homegrownbud.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=3547&stc=1&d=1147039451http://www.homegrownbud.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=3546&stc=1&d=1147039451

well thats it for now.lets see how they go huh.:cool:

porky

Pork Chop

05-07-2006, 07:22 PM

well its been well over 4 hours since they went into thier new home and all seems fine...no drooping or anyother sign of shock ;)

ph on bubbler 1 is 5.8 and ppm of 796 and bubbler 2 is ph 5.8 and ppm of 809.

temps on res is 22c.

like i said i had to tie the sk1 over as its gonna get way bigger than the bubbleicous and its already growing towards the light:D
http://www.homegrownbud.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=3550&stc=1&d=1147051247http://www.homegrownbud.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=3551&stc=1&d=1147051297
tonight you could say im one happy camper;) cheers to the man that helped me out;)

also a pic of one of the plants in soil
porky

05-07-2006, 07:29 PM

bubble away m8 :D

Cranky

05-07-2006, 07:31 PM

ya...like he says:D

reubeni

05-08-2006, 02:10 AM

Nice roots on the girls PC although the 1 on the right looks a little brown are you gonna use h2o2 on the brown 1? I would keep a eye on it if I were you, all in all nice plants.
Think I will just sit back and enjoy the vista as you seem to have most things covered well done ,grow on!:D

Pork Chop

05-08-2006, 03:03 AM

must be the pics there pal,both plants roots are the same colour like.new cam so still getting used to it.;) nice one for dropping in reb:gthumb:

well i was up this morning to start 12/12 and i must say..the girlies are looking great.lights off at 7am and will come back on at 7pm.i like to flower at night as it helps me keep my temps down without having to aircool my hood.it also helps me keep a stable temps 24/7.

also that themometer in the pic is a new one.... it shows max and min temps/rh so im able to see what the max and min temp was through out the night.last night the max was 77f and min was 74. and rh of 44%.this tells me that although temps will get higher as the warmer weather come,i wont have a prob dealing with the heat as like i said...i aint got the aircooled hood hooked up yet so no worries there like.

before going to sleep i just threw in a 5ooml frozen pop bottle of water and res temps were 22 when i woke up so all in all,im happy :)

will grab some clones laso when lights come back on;)

porky

Pork Chop

05-08-2006, 02:05 PM

to fucked to take some cuttings tonight..its been hell of a day but ill save that crapfor another forum;)

as for this dutch master 1 part nutes.(veg&bloom),,,they goto go!!!the only way i can explain the smell coming from the bubblers is as if somebody had dumped 2 years worth of dirty nappies/dypers in there.fukin reeeeks to fuck it does.

it was abit iffy when i was just using the veg nute but now im using both veg and bloom its 50 times stronger.

i phoned up the shop where i got it from and they said they had sold shit loads (buy veg get bloom free....wonder why:rolleyes: )and had no complaints.i told um its goto be the nutes...smells only about when ive used um so i told um ill bring a sample in on friday and they can smell for themselves.

so untill then ill have to put up with it.just hope it dont get to bad in the loft otherwise it will get into the cavities and stink the houses out on my street:eek: at least the first place theyell look is in the drains.

aint checked my ph and ppms yet.spliff first..then ill be back with HOPEFULLY news that things are ok..well,i say ok,apart from the fact theres a smell like somebodys taken a shit on my top lip.

in abit
porky

Greenmachine

05-08-2006, 02:47 PM

I wonder if you've got decomposition in your nute water? if your ph is sky high could be a bacterial decomposition of your bat / Iguana shit nutes. those babes have been on Ionic "grow" nutes, which are pong less.

Keep your eye out for leaf curl and get a supply of de chlorinated water ready just in case you have to do a complete water change.

reubeni

05-08-2006, 02:53 PM

Greenmachine

05-08-2006, 02:59 PM

:hmmmm: that would give reason to browning roots:2cents:
Them roots weren't brown, in the picture he was just about to put them into his bat / orangutang shit nutes (not saying they weren't brown 10 minutes later 8-) ) It were camera distortion.....honest Indian :D

Pork Chop

05-08-2006, 03:04 PM

yep..that pic was taken before they went into my bubblers like and roots are the same coulour...no brown lol;)

so ya think my nutes are fucked green?...well,either way..im goona go tomorrow now as im off work and get somit else.

plants seem fine though,no curl,no burn.looking great.

somits goto be up with them nutes though..noway would some fucker make nutes that smelt like that.

back with a few pics in a bit
porkflops

Greenmachine

05-08-2006, 03:08 PM

I bought some Yank soil nutes years ago.forget the name..something like California Devils Asshole...........cost a fortune and smelt like their namesake.
What I noticed was that when watering if any wasn't taken up and left in the tray it went off really quick and stunk really shitty.

Get some Ionic grow , bloom and boost. By all accounts they are very hassle free nutes for us first time hydro heads.

Pork Chop

05-08-2006, 03:10 PM

no worries matey,will be dipping into the piggy bank tomorow and taking a trip to the hydro shop.is that ionic 1part green?

porky

reubeni

05-08-2006, 03:15 PM

Them roots weren't brown, in the picture he was just about to put them into his bat / orangutang shit nutes (not saying they weren't brown 10 minutes later 8-) ) It were camera distortion.....honest Indian :D

"ok if you say so"lmao
Got some organic neutes that I use in soil if you leave it mixed in a 1g bottle with the lid on after 2days it starts to break down and the it smell like a bad attack of gardier just like I had when I went to morroco and also the ph goes down so I make sure I mix in 2tsp of lime with it then its ok,same thing you do with mass graves:eek:

Greenmachine

05-08-2006, 03:25 PM

"ok if you say so"lmao
Got some organic neutes that I use in soil if you leave it mixed in a 1g bottle with the lid on after 2days it starts to break down and the it smell like a bad attack of gardier just like I had when I went to morroco and also the ph goes down so I make sure I mix in 2tsp of lime with it then its ok,same thing you do with mass graves:eek:

Hee hee.memories of Camp Africa, Morroco Girlfriend (Now wife) and I got there just as a sirroco started,
even the arabs were sunburnt to f*ck. miday 120 in the shade........then as you know there were the "trots" We were staying in 2 person mud and thatched roof African style huts, outside loos were all whitewashed and always had a covering of 4 to 5 inch, 1/2 oz each long flying Alien looking black thing with huge red eyes. 2 weeks there all inclusive of flights Royal Air Maroc £29.00. Got on great with the Arab lads running the place and smoked knockout Kif everynight on the beach. The Morrocans were a lovely lot of people.

reubeni

05-08-2006, 03:40 PM

Yo GM spent 6 weeks there with 2 girls 1@7months preggers just toured around did you get up to the atlas mountains coolest place and hand made hash:D

Greenmachine

05-08-2006, 04:50 PM

Yo GM spent 6 weeks there with 2 girls 1@7months preggers just toured around did you get up to the atlas mountains coolest place and hand made hash:D

No mate we were based just up the coast from Tangier, so did mostly local stuff Larache, Tangier and so on.

Pork Chop

05-08-2006, 05:48 PM

right..nute burn was showing up so it was a total fuck off the both res's and wacked um in ph water at 5.8.

will stay there untill i can see the burning stopped.
http://www.homegrownbud.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=3580&d=1147132142http://www.homegrownbud.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=3581&d=1147132142

http://www.homegrownbud.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=3582&d=1147132142

this is turning into be a right fukin malarky!
porky

reubeni

05-09-2006, 01:35 AM

Pork Chop

05-09-2006, 10:09 AM

well reb...it reads 800ppm, if over 1000 then it shows a small x10.no x10 so it means 800ppm;) trust me bro..the pens right or my 1ltr bottles of nutes would last me forever if it was in the 1000's:D

well was ment to get to the hydro shop today but ended up doing this then that and before i knew it i run out of time.so,first thing in the morning ill sort it..have other shi9t on for tomorrow so it will have to be done then...no worries there like as there gonna be flushing for another 24-48 hours.

at light sout this morning the burning had got alittle worse but not much.will see in a couple of hours how they are when its lights on again.

will be back then
porky

WilliamClarkeQuantrill

05-09-2006, 06:05 PM

looks like hyperaccumulation of a cation. only way to fix it is too figure out which cation it is and stop feeding it that one while continueing feeding the others. One cation replaces another, and the one most abundant usually gets hyperaccumulated causeing a def. in the others. Flushing doesn't really help in thus case. Just promotes the def.

calcium and magnessium are usually the combatants with potassium an occasional source of problems too.

good growing and toke it easy :smokin:

Pork Chop

05-09-2006, 07:06 PM

hi WilliamClarkeQuantrill;) nice of you to join us and thanks for the advice.i shall look up hyperaccumulation of a cation and maybe then i can get my head around what your saying;)

As for the flushing,its been 24 hours now and it looks like the burn has stopped:) the leaves that were burnt have got more rusty looking (burnt to fook)but the rest of the plants leaves that were'nt showing any signs of nute burn are still looking ok so im thinking the flush has done the job.

there also not showing signs of any other def so tomorrow(48 hours of fstraight h2o)ill bang um back on some fresh nutes(will be a diff product,not sure yet to which one im going for).

http://www.homegrownbud.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=3593&stc=1&d=1147222415http://www.homegrownbud.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=3594&stc=1&d=1147222415

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Now i been getting abit pissed off with this opening and shutting of the lids
each time i want to check ph and nute levels so today i cut a small hole in the lids about 1 inch in diameter and bought a turkey baster and just use a pop bottle top with blue tac on the bottom to seal the hole after use,so that sorts that out like;)

http://www.homegrownbud.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=3599&stc=1&d=1147222592http://www.homegrownbud.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=3598&stc=1&d=1147222592

In the other pics you can see i have glued a few cable tac thingy's to the lid and done a bit of lst on the sk 1(left) and abit of a squeeze on the bb(right);)

Temps in cab 78
ph is 5.7 on 1 and 5.8 on the other and res temps are at 21c:cool:

Anybody ever used earthjuice before???some feedback on that would be great.

Thanks for the help so far you lot ;)
Porky

Pork Chop

05-10-2006, 11:58 AM

ok so i managed to get some ionic bloom and ionic boost by growth technology today so as we speak i have a solution mixed up ready and waiting for lights on(as long as burn has stopped for deff).

nowi werent to sure on what ratio to add this stuff?the boost is weaker than the bloom...only slightly though so i ended up useing 30ml of bloom and 15 ml of boost and that brought me to 400ppm.dont want to over do it like.easier to add than take away aye;)

ph is showing 6.0 after adding nutes but ill check that again in a spliffs time as it hadnt had anytime to settle;)

back in abit
porky

Pork Chop

05-10-2006, 03:02 PM

right...forget the last post....i shouldnt of used the boost at this stage and the dosage on the bottle it 7 times higher than on the web site so i dumped the res as its ment to be pretty strong suff?

so..where at 400ppm and just using the bloom for now and ph is at 5.8.

http://www.homegrownbud.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=3616&stc=1&d=1147294883

lets hope they take off now :rolleyes:
porky

Greenmachine

05-10-2006, 03:41 PM

Try giving them a 1/4 pencil dip in 1/2 Ltr water fishmix leaf misting PC every 3 days , it might help with the stress / changeover and act as a pick me up.

Pork Chop

05-11-2006, 02:05 AM

well mate thats what i was gonna do today.went to make the solution up and cant find my fish mix anywhere...then i remembered,i gave it away last year:( .

no worries though.....plants were looking ok this morning. i aint and a smoke yet...to fekin early like, back after ive smoked some of this;)

http://www.homegrownbud.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=3622&stc=1&d=1147334673

porky

Greenmachine

05-11-2006, 02:34 AM

Pork Chop

05-11-2006, 06:50 AM

top man...that there mate is a bit of shake off that leaf....:D ;) :cool:

put me straight back to bed it did....just woke up again hahahaha...fuck it the outlaws here so i think ill roll another.

now then,as for them roots.....i guess they were looking a tad bit brownish tint to um but i thought it was the pic i took:rolleyes: after looking at um last night i could see that all new root growth was real white again...not sure what the crack was there???

what will send um brown like that??lack of airbubbles???dammmmmmmmmmmn...i just looked down and whats sitting there in the ashtray?half of that shaken stevens spliff i made earlier on:D thanks(picks up and lights up)i'll have some more of that like.

ive gone and trimmed off the worst leaves that got burnt so the girlies arent looking to shabby.lets hope they start eating that food huh....dont fancy another fukin res change...thats all i seem to be doing is res fukin changes lol *aghh*

ill go for it again with my tin now greenmachine...see how much of that shken stevens i can get off that leaf;)

aber aber aber a thats all for now folks:)
porky

reubeni

05-11-2006, 04:44 PM

now then,as for them roots.....i guess they were looking a tad bit brownish tint to um but i thought it was the pic i took:rolleyes: after looking at um last night i could see that all new root growth was real white again...not sure what the crack was there???

what will send um brown like that??lack of airbubbles???dammmmmmmmmmmn...i just looked down and whats sitting there in the ashtray?half of that shaken stevens spliff i made earlier on:D thanks(picks up and lights up)i'll have some more of that like.

ive gone and trimmed off the worst leaves that got burnt so the girlies arent looking to shabby.lets hope they start eating that food huh....dont fancy another fukin res change...thats all i seem to be doing is res fukin changes lol *aghh*

porky

Got only one thing to say PC "let me be the last to say I told you so" its a good thing you are pigulant bro:rolleyes:

p.s play of light "my trotter"

Pork Chop

05-11-2006, 05:37 PM

ya but like i said....whats the reason for them going a tad brown in the first place;)

anyways...new roots are white as fuck and i have found myself worrying to much,i mean....its a fekin weed still aint it;)

well today i got the the soil plants into 11ltr pots and trimmed all the crappy lower branches off as i want the plants to put all thier effort into thier main colas.

ph is at 5.8 on both and the ppm has fallen by 15-20ppm in 12 hours so its nice to see them feeding.ill wait untill they hit 350 ppm and then ill wack it up to 450ppm.

temps in cab is 78-82 lights on and 77-79 lights out.

solution temps is 21-23

things are going steady at the mo so its a case of useing the "P" tool for a few days.

oh and that fukin smell has gone to so it must of been the nutes.
(plants were pruned after the pics)
porky

reubeni

05-11-2006, 05:42 PM

M8 "A DIRTY MAN WILL ALWAYS SMELL OF TURDS"stick to what your good at.:D

Pork Chop

05-11-2006, 05:55 PM

errrrrr whats that mean?

Greenmachine

05-11-2006, 05:59 PM

M8 "A DIRTY MAN WILL ALWAYS SMELL OF TURDS"stick to what your good at.:D

Hmm not the way I would have couched it, to easy to misconstrue.
How are we to learn if we only stick to what we're good at?

reubeni

05-11-2006, 06:01 PM

errrrrr whats that mean?

Self evident m8 the dirt uns will do you good:) keep the faith bro!

Pork Chop

05-11-2006, 06:02 PM

haha.....:D

reubeni

05-11-2006, 06:05 PM

Hmm not the way I would have couched it, to easy to misconstrue.
How are we to learn if we only stick to what we're good at?

Well done it again,put my big foot in it,opened a can of worms! well dem worms will do good in dirt dont know about aqua though.
prob drown:eek:

Greenmachine

05-11-2006, 06:12 PM

Allways weigh carefully any advice given:

First Hydro Grow:
2 No Blueberry swimmin like two big fisheees

reubeni

05-11-2006, 06:14 PM

Allways weigh carefully any advice given:

First Hydro Grow:
2 No Blueberry

If they produce nugzs I will weigh em, yes;) l

Pork Chop

05-11-2006, 06:24 PM

first off...theres no prizes here!!

this is my first hydro grow...my first few soil grows were pants,hermies gallore but i soon sorted that and can now grow some kick arse weed.

same will happen with the hydro!

ill stumbl and ill fall but ill get back up and carry on and learn from it...ill stumble and fall again but i will move on and learn from it......get the pic bro.

hope ya kinder on other newbs in future mate;)

back with some pics in a mo...let the show carry on aye.
porky

reubeni

05-11-2006, 06:34 PM

Greenmachine

05-11-2006, 06:41 PM

Right Drumsticks and drum packed back away.

As PC quite correctly says below back to the growin / Knowin.

Pork Chop

05-11-2006, 08:20 PM

right so back to the growing.:cool:

sk 1 with abit of light burn showing...(not to bothered about that)

http://www.homegrownbud.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=3648&stc=1&d=1147400446

bb (soil)after pruning

http://www.homegrownbud.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=3649&stc=1&d=1147400446

sk1 (hydro) with abit of lst going on

http://www.homegrownbud.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=3650&stc=1&d=1147400522

bb(hydro) after pruning.

http://www.homegrownbud.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=3651&stc=1&d=1147400522

laters all
porky

reubeni

05-13-2006, 01:49 AM

Pork Chop

05-13-2006, 11:00 AM

Greenmachine

05-13-2006, 02:16 PM

thanks reubeni.

if its not one thing its another...bastard ph meter is fucked now(freezes as soon as you turn it on) twat off ebay giving me shit about it to so it looks like im gonna have to splash out 40quid at me local hydro store for now meaning thats like 90quid alltogether on ph meters.

back laters,,,feel like throwing in the fuking towel to be honest...costing more than its worth so far this hydro lark

porky

Don't let it get you down Jonah. Kidding 8-)
Thought it had to be a bag at that price, but didn't want to say Mate. Saying that mine was priced at 49.95 and went tits up the third week!

reubeni

05-13-2006, 02:22 PM

Don't let it get you down Jonah. Kidding 8-)
Thought it had to be a bag at that price, but didn't want to say Mate. Saying that mine was priced at 49.95 and went tits up the third week!

Know what you mean GM unless you spends hundreds you get shyte and even then not too stable;:( dem meters it should be against the law!

Pork Chop

05-16-2006, 07:12 PM

well ladz..not to worry...been winging it the last few days as far as ph gos as i only got a new Ph meter today.its not the one i wanted but its alot better than the one i had....got another one of them being sent to me as a replacement so that will be a spare.

this is the one i ended up with. PH METER (http://www.transinstruments.com/index1.htm)

it cost 50 quid but i got a 10 month warranty on it so thought what the hell as i needed one anyways.
when i got back i checked Ph straight away and it was 6.4 on both bubbler's so that was a spot of luck aye;)

anyways,whilst i was at the hydro store,i ended up buying a few odds and sods.i got-

Root Juice By Bio Bizz.

http://www.homegrownbud.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=3770&stc=1&d=1147827417

Root Juice
Root Juice is a 100% vegetable root stimulator that creates:
• An explosive root growth in already rooted plants through the stimulation of the natural microbiology surrounding the root system.
• A better yield due to the ability of the plant to accelerate the uptake of nutrients faster.
• A good resistance against high EC values.
• A strong plant that is resistant to disease and insect attack.

Dosage: 2 to 4 ml per litre of water during the growing period.

Nitrozyme By Growth Technology (http://www.growthtechnology.com/genh-nitrozyme.asp)

Superthive

http://www.wickfordorchids.com/orchid_supplies/image-superthrive.JPG

Vitamins for healthy plants

From the USA, Super Thrive is a vitamin-hormone liquid concentrate. For super healthy plants and blooms, add to your nutrient solution at the rate of 1 drop per 4 litres. SuperThrive is an excellent plant reviver for stressed plants. SuperThrive has been used by growers' world-wide for more than 40 years. Well known and proven product.

Budlink By Hydroponic Generations

http://www.homegrownbud.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=3771&stc=1&d=1147827214

A highly soluble silica based nutrient supplement providing all the plants silicon needs without the huge P.H. fluctuation that comes with other silicon products.

Increases weight and bulk – helps nutrient uptake – strengthens plants – improves disease resistance and cell integrity.

This is not just potassium silicate, but a mixture of various different silica salts put together using a unique formula.

now i ain't gone mad with the stuff...

bubbler 1.(sk.1)
13.5ltr water i added
5ml budlink
2ml root juice
1ml superthrive
36ml ionic bloom.

this brought me 450ppm and ppm of 5.9.this rose to 6.2 after 30 mins so i added 3 drops of Ph down and its know settled at 5.8.

bubbler 2(BB)
1ml super thrive
43ml ionic bloom

ppm 450 and ph was same as above...added 3 drops of ph down and now settled at 5.8.

its been a few hours now and all seems fine so far.

temps are 74 min and 79 max,most of the time about 78f and rh is 40% to 55%.

heres a few pics taken yesterday;)
porky

Pork Chop

05-17-2006, 07:09 AM

heres a pic at lights off,Ive given them all a foiler feed of solution mixed up at a rate of 0.5ml budlink and 1ml nitrozyme to 1ltr of water.i tested it on the soil plants first a few times and all seemed fine so at lights out i gave um all a blast.might have to bump it up abit yet as that mix is lower than 1/4 recommended strength.

http://www.homegrownbud.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=3787&stc=1&d=1147871022

porky;)

gorilla

05-17-2006, 10:41 AM

awesome pork chop.

let me know what you think of the root juice if you get around to using it. was considering that myself

Greenmachine

05-17-2006, 03:20 PM

Turnin out to be a bit of an Alchemist our Pork Chop is :D :D :D

Pork Chop

05-17-2006, 07:56 PM

gorilla,nice to see yas about bro and thanks.used abit of the root juice but i guess i wont be able to tell its full affects until next grow as your not ment to reallyt be using it at this stage but i thought id try it out anyways;)

GM,
id be so lucky mate...me fuking tds meter went TITS up on me tonight:mad:

yep just my fukin luck!think just wsitched off on me.anyways i took the lid off and batts out and let it stand like that for awhile and it came back on when i tried it again but the reading was out.anyways i know my water is 35ppm so i was able to use that to recal so its not far off give of take a few ppms like.will have to get another one i guess.

as for the plants...more burn again so i dropped um down to 400ppm again.

fukin pist off i can tell yas.fukin meter!:mad:
porky

Greenmachine

05-18-2006, 01:47 AM

Pork Chop

05-18-2006, 04:27 AM

well mate,Ive only used 2 ml of root juice in the one bubbler.its 2-5ml per ltr on the bottle and theres 13.5 ltrs of water so im not to worried bout it;) also seen it used right through flowering...roots like tree trunks poking out the top of the soil;)

now the tds meter is well and truly fooked.not alot i can do about it as i cant get another for 1.5 weeks or until/if i get sent a replacement.

until then its a case of guessing.

ppm about 400 on both with Ph 5.8

Rh is 40-50%
cab temps 74-80f
res temps???

i goto be due some good luck with this hydro shit????just when like???:(

porky

Pork Chop

05-18-2006, 01:13 PM

OK peeps,lights on again and all seems well.best Ive seen um ya might say;) amazing init....just when i ya think ya plants are doing shit due to ????ppms they come good on you:rolleyes:

right well,tds meter has decided to come back on and tap water was still showing 35ppm so off i went to take my readings before the thing clapped out on me again.

sk1 bubbler
427ppm(has risen since yesterday but burn has stoped....ppms on meter could of been off so as they look ok ill leave it at that)
PH 5.9(added 1 drop of Ph down)
res temps 22C

bubbleicous bubbler
363ppm(about time this plant ate,could be wrong again as meter was fucked so ill leave alone as alls looking well with her)
PH 6.0(added 2 drops of Ph down)

http://www.homegrownbud.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=3807&stc=1&d=1147979435

soil plants are doing great to.the sk 1 has still got the yellow thing going on.not sure what the crack is there as ya can see the same kinda thing going on in the hydro sk 1 but nowhere near as bad.its like the new leaf tip comes out yellow (just the tips)then the rest of the leaf is normal....still think its the light;)

also got me a small droplet bottle for me Ph.its great...one drop from this to my bubbler lowers it 0.1 so it beats over squirting with a syringe like i have been:o

http://www.homegrownbud.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=3808&stc=1&d=1147979435

cab temps were 75f at lights on and all plants have been misted with the budlink-nytrozyme foiler feed:cool:

thats is it for now.
thanks for stopping in all.

porky:peace:

dredank

05-18-2006, 01:18 PM

looking great chop:D im interested in the soil vs hydro yield and product like;)

peace

Greenmachine

05-18-2006, 02:48 PM

They look green and healthy PC and your roots are nice n white so would think thats 99% of the battle ( speakin as a hydro novice)
Gonna start doin ph on my soil grow water now, compare 2 Blueberry in Hydro and 2 in soil. Soil ones are a lot lighter green, so for me it's the tap water ph doin it. Never seemed to bother yields tho.

Pork Chop

05-18-2006, 06:17 PM

tizz is exactly what I'm thinking..after making feed for soil plants..i forgot to check Ph on the sk 1.when i checked before watering the bb i took a Ph reading and it was like 4.somit.

could be the prob with the yellowing ..might give it abit of flush tomorrow with Ph water of 6.5...see how that gos.

hydro side,
now then,tonights prob.found this in my roots:mad: driving me fekin potty this shit i can tell ya!

theres no light leeks in pots and temps been 21-23c.

anyone?
http://www.homegrownbud.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=3820&stc=1&d=1147997891

http://www.homegrownbud.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=3821&stc=1&d=1147997891
????????
porky

05-18-2006, 10:27 PM

just a thought like... but maybe stop remove'n plants for root shots

keep every thing simple like with no extra ferts ;)

more ya add more the problems you will have with a bubbler

grow on

Pork Chop

05-19-2006, 01:50 AM

i hear yas bro but thats only on the plant thats only in the ionic bloom and superthrive.

i did notice abit of foam floating (just in that bubbler)after last res change but it went after a few hours so didnt think anything of it.

i dont think its light....lots of peeps take pics of thier roots.i only normaly take a pic of roots at res change nut noticed this shit so grabed another.as for light getting in when checking ph...well i guess its the same story as anyone...just open lid for a few secs:cool:

as for the plant it looks fine.just dont like the look of this black shit.fingers crossed aye

Greenmachine

05-19-2006, 03:22 AM

"as your not ment to reallyt be using it at this stage but i thought id try it out anyways"

Famous last words.

Sorry mate, but I agree with cb and his keep it simple advice, I'm not adding anything other than spec in the Ionics feed schedule. I learned my lesson when I added the fishmix and algamic and my water went tits up.

"For whatsoever a man shall soweth, a man shall reapeth"

Now knock it in the head with the soweth ing.
Res changes number ? coming up.
;)
You love it!

Pork Chop

05-19-2006, 04:06 AM

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

hear yas bro but thats only on the plant thats only in the ionic bloom and superthrive.

;)

the other bubbler has superthrive in it to.super thrive is all ive added to the pot thats showing this prob along with bloom.dont think that shit should make ya roots go bad should it????

i don know????

its all in the learning ya know.res change???coming up for that one i guess,lost count after 5 lol.

porky

Greenmachine

05-19-2006, 04:15 AM

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

;)

the other bubbler has superthrive in it to.super thrive is all ive added to the pot thats showing this prob along with bloom.dont think that shit should make ya roots go bad should it????

i don know????

Me neither, perhaps something has fertilised one of the many types of natural bacteria in the water and produced a bloom
its all in the learning ya know.res change???coming up for that one i guess,lost count after 5 lol.

porky

You got it easy I've got to lug it all (res changes) downstairs to get rid!

Pork Chop

05-19-2006, 04:17 AM

ya..thats true mate.it would be back to the soil by now if i had to do that shit.

porky

Greenmachine

05-19-2006, 04:29 AM

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

;)

the other bubbler has superthrive in it to.super thrive is all ive added to the pot thats showing this prob along with bloom.dont think that shit should make ya roots go bad should it????

i don know????

its all in the learning ya know.res change???coming up for that one i guess,lost count after 5 lol.

porky

Black stuff might be an aneraobic algae

Pork Chop

05-19-2006, 08:16 AM

well mate...done abit of reading on it...aint realy found many good pics to compare what it looks like when attctched to the root system so who knows?
i dont?

if it is then theres fuck all i can do to get rid of it anyways:mad:
getting to that point where i dont give a flying fuck to!

porky

Greenmachine

05-19-2006, 12:44 PM

If it was me I'd lift the whole lot out of the bubbler, propping it up between 2 chairs or whatever and use a hand sprayer to rinse all the little shitty black bits off the roots then put straight back into an all ready prepared new water change (make it quick and thorough with the root spray / rinse though) What have you got to loose but sleep? ;) ;) ;)

Wait 3 days and if the problem re occurs hydrogen peroxide comes to mind for some reason I can't even guess.

Pork Chop

05-19-2006, 02:34 PM

yo GM,

did that about ten mins ago...wont shift athing mate:mad:

Wait 3 days and if the problem re occurs hydrogen peroxide comes to mind for some reason I can't even guess.

i read somit about that somewhere myself but i also remember it saying it will kill off the all Bactria to,as in the stuff we want? could that result in worse problems???

so,res change done and Ive added the budlink and root juice to this one to.its been 3 days since the SK 1 went to to the same mix and no signs of trouble on that one apart from the burn so i figured as the budlink and rootjuce is meant to help fight shit like this i try some...

oh,i also added 1 ml of that nitrozyme to.after adding
1ml nytrozyme
5ml budlink
2ml root juice
1 ml superthrive
my ppms ended up at 46.thats only like 10ppm higher than me tap water.
i then added32 ml of ionic bloom to take me to 375ppmph was at 6.0 but needs checking now as its been awhile and should of settled.

Ive also changed the air stone just in case that was holding nasties...i read in wakkas thread that his stones killed his last lot so just to be on the safe side i changed it as its a diff stone to the one thats in the sk 1 bubbler.

im also gonna rise ppms every 25 instead of 50 as when i rise it 50 they always burn.

lets hope this black shit gos away huh...if not then its brown bread for the bb I'm afraid...just a matter of time like:(

porky

Greenmachine

05-19-2006, 04:49 PM

yo GM,

did that about ten mins ago...wont shift athing mate:mad:

i read somit about that somewhere myself but i also remember it saying it will kill off the all Bactria to,as in the stuff we want? could that result in worse problems???

so,res change done and Ive added the budlink and root juice to this one to.its been 3 days since the SK 1 went to to the same mix and no signs of trouble on that one apart from the burn so i figured as the budlink and rootjuce is meant to help fight shit like this i try some...

oh,i also added 1 ml of that nitrozyme to.after adding
1ml nytrozyme
5ml budlink
2ml root juice
1 ml superthrive
my ppms ended up at 46.thats only like 10ppm higher than me tap water.
i then added32 ml of ionic bloom to take me to 375ppmph was at 6.0 but needs checking now as its been awhile and should of settled.

Ive also changed the air stone just in case that was holding nasties...i read in wakkas thread that his stones killed his last lot so just to be on the safe side i changed it as its a diff stone to the one thats in the sk 1 bubbler.

im also gonna rise ppms every 25 instead of 50 as when i rise it 50 they always burn.

lets hope this black shit gos away huh...if not then its brown bread for the bb I'm afraid...just a matter of time like:(

porky

In the pics it looks more browny than black. Could it be the root shedding it's outer sheath in snake skin fashion? Do roots do this?

Pork Chop

05-19-2006, 05:14 PM

Greenmachine

05-19-2006, 05:29 PM

not sure bro.

was thinking this....its only been about since the res change and remember the foam i was on about after the res change????well I'm thinking could it be the foam thats got into the roots and just stayed there and gone bad?ain't spread like....just thinking that the foams got trapped in the roots and is just sitting there?slimey shit wont wash off though?

heres some more pics.

cheers
porky

I think the foam is caused by a bacterial growth or bloom, I had the same foam / scum when I added fishmix and algamic and it really ponged, also my water was a shitty brown with loads of brown crap in it. you've got stuff in there to convert dead matter, so if you have had a bloom and it's under control now I would think that the converter will get rid of the slime over the next few days. Only another guess of many mind you. If I was you I'd get another water change ready and think about doing it in 3-4 days as a matter of hygene. Remind me, are you in 12 /12 now? How long?

Nuther thought. Could the brown slime be dead root outer sheath killed by something you've done decomposing? Who knows?????

Pork Chop

05-19-2006, 05:40 PM

12 days into flower now mate;)

yep waters at the ready and was thinking the same thing about the other products so that why i added um...hope it sorts it out like.

cheers mate
porky

Greenmachine

05-19-2006, 05:44 PM

12 days into flower now mate;)

yep waters at the ready and was thinking the same thing about the other products so that why i added um...hope it sorts it out like.

cheers mate
porky

Well apart from the slime, the roots look white and fairly healthy, so fingers crossed you've had a narrow one. It's the learnin curve, glad to see it's you doing the practical and me the stumbling theory, and not tuther way round. Cause of course I'm gettin my learnin free watching you. :D :D :D

Pork Chop

05-19-2006, 05:49 PM

hahahaha...
ya ,new growth is fine and its mostly at the top of the roots where they been lifted to top of the water by the bubbles if ya get me?
fingers crossed aye;)

porky

Greenmachine

05-19-2006, 05:59 PM

hahahaha...
ya ,new growth is fine and its mostly at the top of the roots where they been lifted to top of the water by the bubbles if ya get me?
fingers crossed aye;)

porky

Well I'd go to amber alert now.
Tommorows just another day.

Pork Chop

05-19-2006, 06:04 PM

ya....stopped sweating abit now mate....just a case of the ol "P" tool now.

porky

Pork Chop

05-20-2006, 03:25 AM

Greenmachine

05-20-2006, 03:47 AM

ppms are only 380 or ec of 0.7 and this sk 1 has a fair bit of roots now....just dont understand why the sk 1 keeps burning or at least thats what i think it is?

starts off like a deficiency and then leaf curls and burn shows through?

what ya think?

porky

You feedin them Ionics now? My sk no1 are in soil, so can't compare and on Biobizz nutes. In soil I always get dark "rot" spots when I nuteburn them, to much fishmix is allways the culprit. Maybe burn is diff in Hydro, I'm scratchin my head as .7 doesn't seem to be high, but of course the syptoms in the piccie are from something that happened perhaps a week ago? The good news is that it doesn't seem to be affecting all of the plant!

05-20-2006, 04:53 AM

just dont understand why the sk 1 keeps burning or at least thats what i think it is?

say porky,

seems like ya have been really trying to push this grow but keep have'n problems around every corner...

not real sure what all ya hit'n the sk1 with anymore (foiler,root juice ect.) but there's really only one way to get to the root of the problem.

start with a freash res with just some bloom ferts and nothing else and let the plant grow...

think ya just got the hydro newb jitters like and ya keep trying to fix everything with everything if ya know what i mean.

I'v only been at hydro for a bit over 3 years now but one thing i have found with bubblers is there simplicty to run and produce great with just veg and bloom nutes...

the less you have to mess with your bubbler the better it will do ;)

something to think about for ya next run with em would be a drain valve so ya never have to remove the lid or plant to maintain it...I have a nice big 2x3 inch hole in the lid that i can peak thru to inspect roots and what not without desturbing the plant...

keep it simple and ya will have less stress like :D

grow on

Pork Chop

05-20-2006, 07:35 AM

GM,the plants in soil are in everything but ionic:D and the hydro is in everything but the biobbiz bloom.ain't used the top max YET:D

CB,no more stress mate;) Ive taken a vow not to let them stress me out.its a learning curve that i will sus out one day.when i first started in soil,my first crop turned out 100% male then the next 2-3 all hermied on me.i sus'ed out what the probs were in the end and haven't had such probs since like..

basically the day will come when everything falls into place(touch wood).

as for keeping it simple.....i cant:D i just cant do it scotty,i mean its the main reason for trying this hydro shit out in the first place.I'm sure i wouldn't be in this boat id i hadn't had the earlier probs due to shit fucking nutes and dodgy Ph meters.

ill put my grandmas left tit on it that if i go back to just the bloom ill still have probs.will see...will try it tonight at lights on...will flush for 24 hours then wack um into bloom at 300ppm.

the fact that they are on such little feed is still baffling me though?there on less food now than when i first got um in veg.:rolleyes:

oh welllllllllllll.....what will be will be......instead of stressing I'm gonna have fun from here on in..what ever the outcome like....i still got my 2 plants in soil thats rocking:cool:

thanks for the feedback ladz
porky

Pork Chop

05-20-2006, 11:51 AM

right ..back to that prob with the sk 1's leaves...im pretty sure now after doing abit of reading about thats its mg deficiency.the Ph on that has always been pretty much smack on or like 5.7 for the last few weeks(apart from when my meter fooked up).

gonna get some Epsom salts tomorrow and try that and rise the Ph to 6.2 for abit.

i can remember another fella growing this sk 1 in soil and having the same prob most the way through flowering but couldn't Sus it out???

thanks

porky

Lollie1

05-21-2006, 02:57 PM

Hi Pork Chop,

I’m new here and I have some experience with bubblers.:ciao: I went back to the 16th in your journal and I believe you’ve been starving them since then, at least. If I was you, which I’m not, I would mix up nutrient buckets with a ppm of 1000-1300 and do res changes to this for everyone. :hmmmm: And I’ll explain why.

bubbler 1.(sk.1)
13.5ltr water i added
5ml budlink
2ml root juice
1ml superthrive
36ml ionic bloom.

this brought me 450ppm and ppm of 5.9.this rose to 6.2 after 30 mins so i added 3 drops of Ph down and its know settled at 5.8.

bubbler 2(BB)
1ml super thrive
43ml ionic bloom

ppm 450 and ph was same as above...added 3 drops of ph down and now settled at 5.8.

its been a few hours now and all seems fine so far.

temps are 74 min and 79 max,most of the time about 78f and rh is 40% to 55%.

heres a few pics taken yesterday;)
porky

Back on 5/16 you made this post. At this point, it tells me your plant is starving. The pH going up and ppm dropping=feed me. You gave her pH down.

And on the 17th you foliar fed them. Why? They should be getting enough nutrients out of the water. Once roots are established I stop foliar feeding them.

Root Juice
Root Juice is a 100% vegetable root stimulator that creates:
An explosive root growth in already rooted plants through the stimulation of the natural microbiology surrounding the root system.
A better yield due to the ability of the plant to accelerate the uptake of nutrients faster.
A good resistance against high EC values.
A strong plant that is resistant to disease and insect attack.

Dosage: 2 to 4 ml per litre of water during the growing period

Why are you adding this now? You are feeding the plant through the leaves and encouraging it to grow roots. My guess would be that the plant doesn’t know what to do so it’s concentrating on growing roots? :rolleyes:

In my garden, for plants the size of the one on the 16th http://www.homegrownbud.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=3777&d=1147828296
It looks like you use 5 gallon paint buckets also? To a bucket filled up to the bottom of the net pot with reverse osmosis water, I add 15 ml silicon/25 ml GH micro/50 ml GH bloom/25 ml cal/mag. This gives me readings of pH 5.6/ CF 17 (ppm 1190). Then I let the plant tell me what she wants as she uses the water. If the pH goes up and CF down, she gets more nutrients. If the pH goes down and CF goes up, she gets water. I’m still working on the other combinations.

When the pH drops, I give the nute water. I know that isn’t what people recommend, but what they recommend isn’t working, is it? The way I look at it, the pH down is for when you can’t come up with anything else-something is not right?:ciao:

And that's my opinion.:D :eek:

All the best,
Lollie

Pork Chop

05-21-2006, 04:10 PM

yo Lollie.thanks for all ya info;) its most appreciated.

thing is, they have already burnt at450 ppm.the plants have been through a hell of alot and dont have much of a root system as they went into flower early.

whenever i go about 400..leaves curl and burn starts to show so for now ill keep it low.

i took Cb's advice and gave um a res change AGAIN last night and wacked um on 375ppm (JUST BLOOM).ppms stayed the same over night but today they have started to go down.

i will grab some Epsom salts tomorrow as i couldn't get hold of any today and that should sort out the probs with the leaves on the SK 1.i raised the Ph abit to 6.1 when i did the res change and already the leaves alot greener so I'm pretty certain that it is mg deficiency.

also...after adding superthrive the other night to the bubbler with black roots...the roots went a blackish colour again....it stopped since latest res change.:cool: ..........so thats dodgey nutes and dodgey superthrive from the same shop????:confused

all the best.

porky

reubeni

05-22-2006, 03:17 AM

Just a thought PC all them different type neutes you been using maybe they are compounding things by reacting together some neutes dont mix well plain aqua might help to get em back on keel:2cents:

Pork Chop

05-22-2006, 04:14 AM

Greenmachine

05-22-2006, 01:20 PM

to be honest reb,,,,the one plant that got the full treatment apart from the superthrive did fine..just got this mg def going on thats all bro

the one where i just added the bloom and super thrive the roots went blackish in colour.

ppms are going down abit quicker now so hopefully all panic stations are over;)

by the way...which way is the ph meant to swing in flower up or down??when using ionic feed that is like.

whats yours like Greenmachine

thanks
porky

The Ionic sends my ph down and my flowering plants send it up, they're on strike at the moment until I can diagnose their malfunction. Think they don't like the Ionic Boost just yet. But not quite sure yet, so it's buckets up and buckets down the molly dancers time again. Bah Hydro heads going on about soil growers lugging bags of soil about is nowt compared to this learnin Hydro lark.

Pork Chop

05-22-2006, 01:51 PM

hehe...to bloody right you are there mate.;)

only used my Ph up the one time.what gives there:o :rolleyes:

gave them this Epsom salts 2tsp to 13.5 ltr and thats sent the ppms to 626ppm from 363:eek:

balls i say...is it gonna burn?or will it just boot um back to shape....as always...where soon gonna find out:rolleyes: goto love the hard way huh:D

porky

Jasper

05-22-2006, 02:02 PM

I have used Ionic products in the past and was very satisfied. As I have hard water and Ionic makes a product just for that situation, it truly helped my blueberry. In flowering the only additional additives I used was their bloom booster.

I have recently changed to a different line but Ionics can be fairly easy to work with.

Wishing you much success.

Pork Chop

05-24-2006, 06:28 PM

cheers jasper...i think my next go at this hydro thins will do alot better...ain't had the best of starts like;)

well folks...been a couple of days now since last res change(went for LOLLIES advice and bumped up nutes to 500ppm) .the probs still there but showing in both plants now.:( basically I've found out the the plants are only feeding at 5.7?

if below that then the ppms just sit there...if above then the ppms rise.

one thing i am seeing is that there not burning from the bump up in nutes so they must be hungry.just getting them to eat is the prob.

im finding that after adding nutes when making a fresh res up i can only get to 6.2.plants wont feed at that so i need to yake ph down to 5.7 but then the plants start feeding and ph drops and they stop feeding again.how the hell do i get it back up to 5.7 without useing ph up as from what i understand you cant use the both in the same bubbler?

bloody stumped i am??? temps in bubblers are 21-23 cab temps are 70-75 light soff and 75-80 at lights on.rh is 40-55%.

the first 4 pics are of the sk1 and the rest are of the bubbleicous.last pics a group shot.youll notice that black shit from the superthrive is now all in the tops of the roots.it aint affected the roots apert from just sit there.its nowhere near as much as what was there and all new roots are nice and white so im not worries about it.

:help2: :help2: :help2:
PORKY

WilliamClarkeQuantrill

05-24-2006, 09:54 PM

try raising the humidity(slow down the plants transpiration) and not going below 6.0 ph when you adjust (making it better for calcium and magnesium uptake).

Pork Chop

05-25-2006, 02:08 AM

cheers WilliamClarkeQuantrill,will bare that in mind for the next res change.

well i did say they were only feeding at 5.7......i left them at 5.7 last night and woke up this morning to turn lights off and they haven't fed at all:mad:

think a flush is in order? 24hour of phed water maybe?
tried having Ph above 6.0 for first 2 days after last res change and nothing was happening...then took it below 5.8 and still fuck all...maybe eating a tiny abit when it feels like(thats when i thought they were only feeding at 5.7?)

could it be theres not enough veg nutes in the plant its locked up due to to much of somit and not enough of the other????

fuck fuck fuck

porky

Pork Chop

05-25-2006, 04:32 AM

i keep thinking there hungry as they have hadrly fed since ive had um and feel like wacking ppms upto 800?

thing is though if they are hungry wont the ppms be dropping?

bollucks shit fuck :confused: :confused: :confused:

come on hydro heads...dig deep;)
porky

Lollie1

05-25-2006, 05:27 AM

Hi Pork Chop,

What I've found in my garden is different than is normally thought so I'll put this out for you to do with it what you will.

I mix up a new bucket of nutes which gives me readings of pH 5.6, EC 1.7. Then next day she has drank what she wants and I take readings again. Ideally, I want to see the EC go down and the pH go up. Then I would add nute water and continue to do that until the pH drops a little. Then I add plain water until the pH raises. I just try to keep this balance up. Sometimes, I add too much water and the pH drops through the floor. Generally the EC will go up at this point and the plant is still saying she wants more.

From the picture, I would say your ladies are hungry-not burned. And that's my opinion.

All the best,
Lollie

ps, I've attached a picture of my current Hindu Kush as flower day 53. :D

Pork Chop

05-25-2006, 05:41 AM

looking great there lollie;) im wondering if im ever gonna get to that stage:rolleyes:

what my prob is this lollie.after adding nutes..i end up around 6.0.i cant get any lower than this without adding ph down.if i do that then im buggered then for adding ph up and have to take out water and add water and nutes and hten it only raises it by .1 and i dont want to keep doing this right htrough the grow.

also...if there hungry,why are'nt they eating..phcan be above 5.8 or below...they still wont take it up??

on the sk1 bubbl;er its just sitting there...ph and ppm are staying the same.on the bubbleicous ph is staying stable but ppms are rising slowly?

i think im goona wack ppms upto 800 and set ph at 5.8 in new res...if they start to rise like you say then im lost.....really not sure what to do.

porky

Cranky

05-25-2006, 06:49 AM

OK.been reading about...

is it the norm for ppms to rise abit after res change until they stabilize?if so...they've never had a chance to stabilize as i been fuking about with Ph up down left and right...lowering nutes,hiring nutes abit of this abit of that and so on to try and get um feeding.

think ill keep Ph at 5.8 for a few days and if things are the same...then fuck it.what wll be will be.

cranky....

yes thats right PC is me.i couldn't journal under cranky as we been having a few visits from gov type people and the wife didn't want peeps knowing i was growing at the time..anyways thats past now and can journal under me own handle;)

i think i told most like but for those that didn't know...ya do now;)

Lollie1

05-25-2006, 12:37 PM

Hi cranky, not Pork Chop, :hello:

Glad the cloak of secrecy has been removed. :D

Regarding the ph, I like to keep it around 5.7-5.9 when things go right. But I'm still working on this and I get the add backs wrong often enough to see the extremes. And this is where the plant seems to take up the most.

I've been following some other's journals since I was able to identify what I'm doing? It seems they can take the pH to the preferred range and the plant will take up nutrients, regardless of what's in the water?

What I'm suggesting to you is that you are starving them, which will cause the pH to drop. I think you will be happier with the 800 ppm than the 350. I'll keep an eye on this to see how things work out. And I wouldn't adjust the initial pH from 6.0-that's real close to the ideal and the plant will adjust it if it's necessary. I've put in 7.0 plain water and the next day the plant will have it at 3.x if she's still hungry.

I wish you all the best with your girls. Hopefully you will figure out what is going on soon. :grow:Grow, Darn you plants! :grow:

All the best,
Lollie

Cranky

05-25-2006, 12:57 PM

hehe..they bloody well will grow at some chuffing point i can tell yas:D

well,i cam across this bit of info

the Ph should be rising, and slowly.if its dropping the mix is too strong.

the more concentrated the mix becomes as more water is consumed than nutes, the nutes drag the Ph down.

if things are calibrated correctly, the nutes and water are consumed at the same rate, and the Ph rises very slowly, and the EC remains constant or drops only slightly.

basically what you said before just that this dip shit for brains (me) didn't take it in the first time.ill probably leave things as they are..if ppms is still going up and ph is going down to then its to strong and ill back off if its the same or just a tad higher i will leave alone and let this Ph ppm thin tell me what the plant wants.

if Ph rises and ppms stay the same or have dropped just alittle then ill add another 100ppm until they start fukin choking on the stuff.then they should tell me they snorted....well in theory like:D

thanks for the help lollie..its appreciated.just toke me abit to get my head round this Ph ppm thing;) .

well,,,,30 Min's to lights on...:cool:

cranky

oh i was only under pork chop as i had abit of a security prob but alls cool now.

WilliamClarkeQuantrill

05-25-2006, 06:54 PM

it looks to me like there are several things going on with your plant. It seems to be hungry for magnesium (intervienal cholorosis), calcium (necrotic spots), and possibly nitrogen (pale green leaf color , to a small extent anyway). At the same time it is taking on all the potassium, this is evedent by the dropping ph, and the mg and ca deficiency which is spurred on by your low starting ph (5.8).

I was wrong previously suggesting raising your humidity to slow down transpiration, it is just the oppisite, lower relative humidity to increase plant transpiration to facilitate the movement or uptake of the calcium and magnesium. This along with the higher (6.0) starting ph for a week or so should allow the plant to get the mag and ca it needs, assuming your nutrients supply ample amounts, it is these factors that most affect the plants ability to uptake them.

The higher ph will help the plant take on more nitrogen too, accelerateing growth in preperation for flowering. Does your nutrient have both sources of nitrogen NH4(ammonium) and NO3(nitrate)? If it has much ammonium in it that could be a contributing factor to your falling ph, when the plant takes in the nitrogen from the ammonium it leave 3 H + iions which will drop the ph faster than any other plant nutrient uptake process, reaction ,action jackson.

I am beggining to make less and less sense , and started out making none so its time for me to shut up and hit the bong

toke it easy bro :smokin:

you got a pm coming too...

Cranky

05-25-2006, 08:10 PM

yo William Q.nice one for the info pal...

i tried the Ph at 6.0 for a couple of days and it did nothing...:rolleyes:

i did some fishing about today and found that i can use veg and bloom at the same time(twat at the shop said no ya cant like..can never mix bloom and grow together in hydro he said....fukin ticking off for him next time I'm there.

i also added a couple of ml of boost to..only 2 ml per bubbler,just to see if it got um doing somit:rolleyes: .

well today is a better day....trimmed the affected leaves off(weren't that many) and plants look abit better...not alot but abit like.only prob is,the ppms are going down but so is the Ph?well is on the SK 1.whats this bloody mean???

heres my readings for today...

SK 1
8 30 am was ppm of 460 Ph 5.7 temp 23
8 30 pm was ppm of 463 Ph 5.7 temp 23
0030 am was ppm of 460 Ph 5.5 temp 23
0230 am was ppm of 449ph 5.4 temp 23

bubbleicous
8 30 am was ppm of 518 Ph 5.7 temp 23
8 30 pm was ppm of 539 Ph 5..8 temp 24
0030 am was ppm of 515 Ph 5.8 temp 24
0230 am was ppm of 518 Ph 5.7 temp 24.

going by that lot the ppms are dropping kind of but so is Ph??thought it was meant to go uop when they are feeding?

back to WilliamQ,
tomorrow I'm gonna grab some veg nutes and change res AGAIN and will set both bubbler's at 6.0 and a ppm of 550 but ill wait until the next light cycle begins and see how there doing first.....just hope the ppms keep falling but I'm stumped about the Ph.

oh..by the way this is day 18 of flower;) it will of been bang on 1 year since i last cropped a plant and the plant seems to be budding ok from what i can remember...abit rusty at the mo dont cha know:o

once again i thank you all for your help.
WilliamClarkeQuantrill
thanks for looking out bro;)

stay safe

cranky

Cranky

05-26-2006, 02:31 AM

well,woke up and Ph had dropped on both bubbler's and ppms had gone up abit again.i added some water and thats brought the Ph upto 5.7 and 5.8.

now Ive asked this .q in its own thread but ill ask again here;)

say Ive use Ph down but its gone to far....can i then add Ph up to take it back up??

just i heared ya cant use the 2 in the bubbler at the same time...i dont mean mixing them together consentrate...but added separate to the bubbler if ya gets me?

anyways...shall have to see whats what at lights on and take it from there.

if Ph is still dropping then I'm gonna do a res change and Ph to 6.0 and then start off nutes real low at 300ppm...goto be better to start off low than high right and work it up?

cheers all

cranky

tHEaNIMICnEEDLE

05-26-2006, 01:27 PM

i personally think crankys setup looks better than Pork Chops...:eek: :crazy:

lol

nice going cranky i havent the testicular fortitude to try hydro yet...:p :laugh: :laugh: :smoke:

Greenmachine

05-26-2006, 01:52 PM

i personally think crankys setup looks better than Pork Chops...:eek: :crazy:

lol

nice going cranky i havent the testicular fortitude to try hydro yet...:p :laugh: :laugh: :smoke:

This first grow (me an Cranky both) has been real fun, now pardon me while I sharpen my Seppuku knife.
:ninja1:

Just a thought Cranky. If you put a red light in your cab (like they have in submarines) you can work in there round the clock :rofl2: :crazydan: :rofl2: :laugh: :crazysign :crazysign :crazysign :crazysign :crazysign

Cranky

05-26-2006, 02:43 PM

tHEaNIMICnEEDLE,
lol.ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh its great fun...havent had such fun since yesterday:D
tonight im gonna have some more of that great fun and do another res change...plumbers on his way to fit a tap in there:p

i thought having to repot was a pain in the arse..also soils easier to store.feking boxes of water hide in in al me bedroom cupboards:rolleyes:

like i say...give it a whirl mate,its great fun:teef:
greenmachine
:haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha:
Just a thought Cranky. If you put a red light in your cab (like they have in submarines) you can work in there round the clock

rotflmao

nice one...not a bad idea mate:D

1 res change comin right up!

cranky

reubeni

05-26-2006, 02:50 PM

Just a thought Cranky. If you put a red light in your cab (like they have in submarines) you can work in there round the clock

Only in Amsterdam :D :D :D

Greenmachine

05-26-2006, 04:27 PM

Well one thing about this lot Cranks, you've got no choice but to learn fast. Imagine if they'd had hydroponic growing as a subject in college, wild horses wouldn't have kept us away!

Cranky

05-28-2006, 08:44 AM

Well one thing about this lot Cranks, you've got no choice but to learn fast. Imagine if they'd had hydroponic growing as a subject in college, wild horses wouldn't have kept us away!

hmmmmm not o sure i would of been in any fit state to learn....next to my collage was a small river....spent most my time there smoking buckets.would go back to collage and be asked to plain down a piece of timber to say 40mm x 40mm from a 50mm x 50mm block.thing was id go in to auto Pilate and end up with a pencil left in the vice and a pile of wood shaving at me feet :rolleyes:

right,after reading William Q's post and CB confirming what he said i changed res on one bubbler and just added bloom 400ppm and that left my ph at 6.2.
this was on Friday.since then ppms have pretty much sat where they are and so has Ph.

on the bubbleicous i added a few ml of silica and 2 ml bloom and this raised my Ph to 6.2.since then that has pretty much stayed the same.

so last night i bumped both bubbler's upto 500ppm...ph dropped alittle but then raised to 6.2 again.:D if this is the same at lights on tonight then ill wack um upto 700ppm and will then goto 800ppm if alls cool after that...once i hit 800ppm i will only go up in 50's as i dont want to burn um.

also seeing green blotches coming back in leaves so all in all things are looking good.

buds are coming along at day 21 of flower:cool:

its a shame I'm only gonna get to 6 weeks with these then i goto chop.they would of got the full 8 but i had probs with the first 2 and had to start over so i lost 2 weeks.had to get um in to finish before hols/vacation which is the 19th of June.not to worries though as i know the BB still kicks ass at week 6;)

more of a test run this one;)

thanks for the replies guys;) William Q and CB.....top info!thanks ladz

also some of my ppm readings have been off....my tds meter has to be left for about 2 Min's until it bleeps.this gives diff reading to when i just leave it in for a few secs.reubeni,do you find yours to be the same?

thats it for now....couple of pics for yas;)

http://www.homegrownbud.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=3979&stc=1&d=1148827326

cranky

midwestbluntman

05-28-2006, 09:11 AM

also some of my ppm readings have been off....my tds meter has to be left for about 2 Min's until it bleeps.this gives diff reading to when i just leave it in for a few secs.reubeni,do you find yours to be the same?

Wow man,I didnt know that,i wonder if mine does that as well.Ive never left it in there for more than prolly a minute,just till the numbers stabilized.Im going to try that today,and see if mine beeps,if it does ,lol,im going to feel pretty damn stupid,lmao.

Cranky

05-28-2006, 10:41 AM

.I'm going to try that today,and see if mine beeps,if it does ,lol,im going to feel pretty damn stupid,lmao

hehe..i just came across it by accident.....forgot about it and then was wondering what the fuck was that beep noise.

was the fekin pen like lol.

o'well aye.

cranky

Cranky

05-28-2006, 02:29 PM

oi oi, i said OI OI....

first big drop in ppms today at lights on....

as i said above...i just had bloom in one bubbler(sk 1) and ph at 6.1..thats gone down alittleand ph is same....

on the one i been messing about with,,i added 3 ml budlink and 2 ml boost and ppms have dropped 50ppms in 12 hours and ph went up from 5.9 to 6.1:D

will wack um both upto 600ppms now and maintain the ph around 6.0:D was gonna go staright to 700ppms but i dont want to mess up now i got um feeding.

BUZZIN:D

cranky

Greenmachine

05-28-2006, 02:55 PM

Cranky

05-28-2006, 07:15 PM

;)

right so i raised ppms to 600, well 595...close enough :) managed to keep ph at 6.0 and ppms are dropping:cool:

so thats 200ppms ive managed to get um upto in 2 days...give that man a ciiiiiiigar:D

you know the drill...if alls cool tomorrow then it will go upto 700ppm.

ive sused out also how to mix up nutes without adding any ph up or down so far.the ionic sends it down but the budlink and boost send the ph up...so its a case of adding bloom first...leave settle and ph drops then add budlink and boost and ph rises again;)
http://www.homegrownbud.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=3996&stc=1&d=1148865381

as the temps have hit 25c ill throw in 1 x 500ml pop bottle of frozen water to each bubbler;)

snorted.
bobs ya uncle and fannys ya aunt.

so,as they say in llandow ......chow for now:cool:

cranky

Greenmachine

05-29-2006, 01:21 AM

Very scientific that grow log Cranks :D :D :D
Love the action taken comments.

Cranky

05-29-2006, 01:57 AM

Very scientific that grow log Cranks :D :D :D
Love the action taken comments.

are white coats and buddy holly glasses are in the mail mate:D

lights of not long ago...ppms had risen abit but Ph was the same...res temps were 22.now going back over my very sophisticated logs:o ...when ever the temps are this low,ppms haven't dropped???see where we are come lights on aye

cranks

Greenmachine

05-29-2006, 02:08 AM

hehe..i just came across it by accident.....forgot about it and then was wondering what the fuck was that beep noise.

was the fekin pen like lol.

o'well aye.

cranky

Three days ago I found out more or less the same thing, instructions on the ph meter say take reading after a minute, but I wasn't doing that. So I bought some little placcy jugs .49p down the village, and a fifty CC syringe worth of water just fills it nicely so that ec and ph meters can sit in it while I wait for the readings to settle down

Lollie1

05-29-2006, 12:44 PM

Hi cranky,

Your ladies are looking nice and healthy! Glad to see it!

All the best,
Lollie

Cranky

05-29-2006, 01:19 PM

Hi cranky,

Your ladies are looking nice and healthy! Glad to see it!

All the best,
Lollie

cheers Lollie;) and thanks for keeing an eye out.

also thanks to
cb,william Q,Greenmachine,and reubeni for helping out.

also thanks to all those thats dropped in and replied.;)

cranky

Cranky

05-31-2006, 02:36 AM

right...found each time i take um over 570,ppm's start rise and ph start dropping so will just keep giving um what they can take for now.

still need some veg nutes:rolleyes: ,hopefully i shall get that today:cool:

little bit of frost for yas.(sk 1);) day 24 of flower.

http://www.homegrownbud.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=4030&stc=1&d=1149064490

http://www.homegrownbud.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=4029&stc=1&d=1149064544

cranky

reubeni

05-31-2006, 03:00 AM

Yea Cranky checked out that bleep thing with the tds pen your right not shure what is going on there but I think after the temps are compensated for it does that and if you take it out of solution it holds that reading until you reset it.
Nice to see the frost on the lady all is not lost

05-31-2006, 09:03 PM

look'n real good there m8

bring em on home now ;)

grow on

Cranky

06-01-2006, 03:32 AM

reubeiz and CB

cheers ladz;)
managed to get some bio bizz grow and ionic grow yesterday so res change last..

got ppms upto570.sk 1's feeding and the bb has just sat there.ph is 6.0 and 5.9.cab temps at lights out was 79f.
oh also thought i would give this mylar ago.been saying it for like 6 years nows so finally got some up and i must say i can see a big diff:)

http://www.homegrownbud.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=4036&stc=1&d=1149154322

cranky

tHEaNIMICnEEDLE

06-01-2006, 03:20 PM

nice

what did you insulate with?

very shiney:cool:

Cranky

06-02-2006, 02:32 AM

yo tHEaNIMICnEEDLE thanks for dropping by,

its just plain ol mylar bro;) works a treat to:) still need to take back down and put up in 3 single sheets as its abit loose like.job for lights on me thinks.

alls going ok i guess,ppms are now over 600 and the plants are feeding with the Ph at5.9 and 6.0 still.

i am finding that since adding the grow to the feed,the Ph gos down instead of up...this is meant to say there not feeding right??????but ppms are going down to????

contradicting dont ya think????

bloody hydro

cranky

Greenmachine

06-02-2006, 04:27 AM

There lookin good Cranks, just a mystery some of this lark. Ignoring manufacturers recommendations is the first thing to learn, if you followed Ionics feed schedule (7ml per ltr) your ph would never rise above 2.

I'll be around for that plug in the next couple of days mate. Thanks

Cranky

06-02-2006, 06:14 AM

ai...throw all the fukin rules right out the window i say..:rolleyes: :) :D

sozz.mate..should of phoned...been flagging out the back last 2 days...2 cuts to go and me fekin grinder packs in:( ....i wouldnt be to arsed but ive only used it about 5 times before now...no worries..BnQ is just across the road.

can pop the plug round later if ya want mate.might be down that way ...shooting some golf like;)

cranks

Cranky

06-04-2006, 03:02 AM

right peeps..ppms started to rise when over 600 and carried on upto660 so i backed off to 570.was still rising this morning so will drop to 500 if the same things going on at lights on.the BB has abit of burn :o but not to bad.

day 27 flower,temps got upto 83f last night but i still ain't cooling the hood so I'm not bothered about it.if it gets any higher than this then i will hooke up the fan to the hood.

Ph is 5.8 and 5.9

all the best
http://www.homegrownbud.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=4171&stc=1&d=1149411634

http://www.homegrownbud.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=4172&stc=1&d=1149411814

cranky

reubeni

06-04-2006, 03:48 AM

Wow a forest of bud very nice indeedy:cool: 83f yea getting a bit high the temps in my cab are holding solid at 79f the cooltube works as outside temps soared to 24c yesterday break out the fan m8 and cool the babes:cool:

Lollie1

06-04-2006, 09:28 PM

i am finding that since adding the grow to the feed,the Ph gos down instead of up...this is meant to say there not feeding right??????but ppms are going down to????

contradicting dont ya think????

bloody hydro

That's what I'm finding happens when she's hungry. :rolleyes: Sometimes the nutrient concentration goes down, and sometimes it goes up (lockout point maybe?), but the pH always goes down. Maybe give it a try?? What happens if you add plain water? If it's hungry, the pH will continue to drop. Again the nutrient concentration can raise or drop. And what happens if you add nute water? If it's hungry, the pH will raise and the nutrient concentration will settle. Anyway, that's what's happening here.

Plants are looking fantastic! Maybe a little yellow? Seems you are going on the fact that it's burn. There is also a possiblity it's coming from hunger, believe it or not. And that's my opinion.

All the best,
Lollie

reubeni

06-13-2006, 12:24 PM

Wazup:D

Cranky

06-14-2006, 10:24 AM

Wazup:D

not alot mate:rolleyes: i chopped um both down yesterday...buds had stooped growing on BB and SK 1 was going the same so i thought balls to it...chopped um and put it down to failed first hydro grow as was my first 3 in soil was.

not to worry...i think i will do much better with a fresh start from seed and will get that under way after me hols.2(weeks time).

also sorry for not being about much this last weeks,i started a new job and have been busy as hell.

all will be back to normal after me hols like;)

Lollie1
your probably right there sis;) along with shock and bad nutes they ain't had much of a chance.next time aye;) thanks for all your help:cool: and also thanks for all the feedback from everybody else.

until next time

stay :cool:

cranky

bigsmoker420

06-14-2006, 12:52 PM

lookin good there i cant wait to start my hydro

Greenmachine

06-14-2006, 03:14 PM

We'll get started straight away after yer hol Cranks. Allready got some babes in for you if you like.

reubeni

06-14-2006, 05:07 PM

not alot mate:rolleyes: i chopped um both down yesterday...buds had stooped growing on BB and SK 1 was going the same so i thought balls to it...chopped um and put it down to failed first hydro grow as was my first 3 in soil was.

not to worry...i think i will do much better with a fresh start from seed and will get that under way after me hols.2(weeks time).

also sorry for not being about much this last weeks,i started a new job and have been busy as hell.

all will be back to normal after me hols like;)

Lollie1
your probably right there sis;) along with shock and bad nutes they ain't had much of a chance.next time aye;) thanks for all your help:cool: and also thanks for all the feedback from everybody else.

until next time

stay :cool:

cranky

Don't believe it was it "dead" or not ?