post-harvest flush

[Fillabong]

Just last week I gave my ladies a really heavy dose of fertilizer. I figured I'd have at least 3 weeks left. haha yeah...NO!
One is done. I just cut her down. I don't really want to know how much unprocessed fertilizer is running through her xylem soooo...

hacked it down and cut it like I would a clone. shave the sides and an angle cut on the bottom. Bloop! In it goes to 300-500ml of reverse osmosis water. Ah....the joys of passive transport:D

so let's see how well this works. I have the plant in a fairly well lit place, dry, 60-70ish warm. Those cute little trichomes look about 50/50 so they might darken up with a bit of light.

I want yellow acidic water in a few days:P

[gorilla]

Neat idea, dude! Can't wait for you to tell us how it worked.

You should keep a bud or two from that plant to compare to the ones sitting in water.

[Boston Baked Bean]

very interesting, wonder if you put food dye in the water would it color up the buds, used to do that as a kid to color different types of flowers, also wonder if putting pineapple juice or some other type of flavor enhancing liquid would do anything also, either way thanks for posting

[ninja]

very interesting, wonder if you put food dye in the water would it color up the buds, used to do that as a kid to color different types of flowers, also wonder if putting pineapple juice or some other type of flavor enhancing liquid would do anything also, either way thanks for posting


the rotting organic pineapple juice would cause all sorts of probs... avoid stuff like that.





look flushing isnt really needed unless the plants need it to correct a problem.

it's a MYTH that the ferts "change the flavor " or " build up and poison you".

Ive been growing for years.. soil, hydro, hybrid, organic etc... Ive flushed, tried the 24-48 hours dark before chop method.. all BS.

cannabis is SUPER easy to grow( most people overcomplicate it..especially on forum sites)... you cant force it.. just LET it grow...it WANTS to grow.

fact: there arent any flushes or extended dark periods before harvest in nature.

fact: no matter what ANYONE claims.. you CANNOT tell whether a PROPERLY grown bud, was grown in hydro, soil, flushed, outdoors or indoors..by look smell or smoke.
anyone that claims they can are full of BS.

[ninja]

I don't really want to know how much unprocessed fertilizer is running through her xylem soooo...



ferts are proccessed at uptake.. plants dont have a belly ;)

[Cranky]

the rotting organic pineapple juice would cause all sorts of probs... avoid stuff like that

rotting?what about home made organic teas???probably would be bad for the plant but not for that reason;)

look flushing isn't really needed unless the plants need it to correct a problem.

it's a MYTH that the ferts "change the flavor " or " build up and poison you".

Ive been growing for years.. soil, hydro, hybrid, organic etc... Ive flushed, tried the 24-48 hours dark before chop method.. all BS.

cannabis is SUPER easy to grow( most people overcomplicate it..especially on forum sites)... you cant force it.. just LET it grow...it WANTS to grow.

trust me....weed not flushed with nasty house plant feed can taste like shite...mate had some real nasty tasting shit one year and stopped using it...after a few crops he done an experiment and fed a few that same pants fert and the never flushed on a few and flushed like fook an another few and it made all the difference.all depends on how nasty your feed is i say;)

fact: there aren't any flushes or extended dark periods before harvest in nature.

they dont get fed crap synthetic nutes in the wild dude and as for extended dark periods bla bla bla......tizz the joys of growing indoors...we can experiment...we are in control....we are playing god if you like.lst,scrog,24/7light cycle,sog etc....all breaking laws of nature...i guess what I'm trying to say is ya cant compare indoor growing to plants growing in the wild (under mother nature as ya say).

fact: no matter what ANYONE claims.. you CANNOT tell whether a PROPERLY grown bud, was grown in hydro, soil, flushed, outdoors or indoors..by look smell or smoke.
anyone that claims they can are full of BS.

sorry dude....i been smoking imported hydro(Amsterdam weed) for months now)and its a joy to see me mate(dibbz) every once in a while.he was here the other week with abit of organic bio bizz (soil) G-13.he didn't tell me that...i told him and i was right;) if you know your bio bizz then you will know it when ya smoke bud grown with it...thats a fact bro;)

just my 2 bobs worth:cool:
ferts are proccessed at uptake.. plants dont have a belly....
what is it that burns your leaves?care to elaborate on some of these theory's of yours...might be able to get my head round it then like

all the best
cranky

[ninja]

lol no such thing as sheved organic ferts my man... organics ROT period.. ( perservatives arent ORGANIC..and EVERY 'organic' nute on ANY shelf in any store has em)

homemade teas are simply compost.. and dont contain rottinng citrus juice...if the do..you made it wrong or listened to some moron giving bad advice.

dont argue for the sake of arguing.. Pineapple juice is just a bad idea and you are a fool if you support that, and I think you know it.








if the bud is grown ( KEY WORD HERE..) PROPERLY...your superior taste buds are in ALL yer mind..especially if you enjoy that commercial dutch tourist smoke.

but actually i think it's the placebo effect making you THINK you taste the difference..lol
like adding that pineapple juice for flavor bwahahahahahaha


but hey..what do I know... I guess it's dumb luck I keep these beauties going eh?

[ninja]

rotting?what about home made organic teas???probably would be bad for the plant but not for that reason;)

feel free to elaborate on how rotting citrus juice wouldt cause pathogen growth in soil, and a HOST of probs in hydro?



trust me....weed not flushed with nasty house plant feed can taste like shite...mate had some real nasty tasting shit one year and stopped using it...after a few crops he done an experiment and fed a few that same pants fert and the never flushed on a few and flushed like fook an another few and it made all the difference.all depends on how nasty your feed is i say;)



sorry i missed the NASY HOUSE PLANT FEED part.. well of course if you use the wrong nutes all types of shit can happen..
i guess you missed the key word in MY post






sorry dude....i been smoking imported hydro(Amsterdam weed) for months now)and its a joy to see me mate(dibbz) every once in a while.he was here the other week with abit of organic bio bizz (soil) G-13.he didn't tell me that...i told him and i was right;) if you know your bio bizz then you will know it when ya smoke bud grown with it...thats a fact bro;)

just my 2 bobs worth:cool:

1. Amsterdam doesnt have EVEN CLOSE to the best buds i have smoked and ive been to the dam a few times... i try to miss the cup.. too many scams and tourists.. usually shitty commercial pot, hastily grown for ther tourism.
dont feel bad..it's been that way for about 20 years now.

2. i grow Arcata trainwreck, jack flashx Superskunk
and a NYCDxhaze cross and ALL are head and shoulders over that crap they Hype up in the dam... I know my buds too brutha..... got a room full em.. all in mediumless water culture bubblers under 1800 watts of HPS :P
no " Bio Bizz"..lol just ionic nutes and tapwater..



and no.. you cant taste the nutes any more than you can guess the strain from a pic LMAO..

[hydrohustle]

I'm a first time grower (indoors w/ coco)

I've read what you posted, I can definatly trust your advise...listen, I'm also growing train wreck, is there anything you can tell me i should look out for, any tips on growing or advise that may be constructive to my harvest..id realy appreciat it...


my main question: i have some Miracle-Gro Indoor Plant Food Spikes (heres the link http://www.miraclegro.com/index.cfm/event/ProductGuide.product/documentId/f2e710e8ab9ececc9ff5b2f5f11b530b ), what do you think about them...like i said, im using Cana Coco, not soil....will they do more harm than good??

[dredank]

I find indoor weed grown using a good amount of nutes and not flushed properly has a darker ash, and tastes harsher.

hydrohustle some advice i use is tie your plants down with weights or string whatever. Just bend the top down like a few nodes. I do it when the plant is around 2 feet and the sidebranches just explode to the top and make a nice little bush with more top colas ;)

Ive also used those MG food spikes, they didnt seem to do any harm, I used less than they said to use. I also only used them in soil, and I have never grown in canna coco so i dont know about that. but I wouldnt use them again.

peace

[ninja]

I'm a first time grower (indoors w/ coco)

I've read what you posted, I can definatly trust your advise...listen, I'm also growing train wreck, is there anything you can tell me i should look out for, any tips on growing or advise that may be constructive to my harvest..id realy appreciat it...


my main question: i have some Miracle-Gro Indoor Plant Food Spikes (heres the link http://www.miraclegro.com/index.cfm/event/ProductGuide.product/documentId/f2e710e8ab9ececc9ff5b2f5f11b530b ), what do you think about them...like i said, im using Cana Coco, not soil....will they do more harm than good??

personally Ive never used Mg spikes on canna.. i have used em in my vard tho, so Im familiar with what they are..
i HAVE seen many many growers litterally FRY Mj plants with MG liquid(very high nitrogen), so be carefull.
I use Ionic brand nutes.. they are excellent, high quality and stoner proof..
i grow mediumless DWC Hydro now, but have used these nutes in a F&D Hybrid system with a soil medium ( drain to waste) and they worked fantastic.


if you want stress free plants, and youve gone the extra step to set the grow up.. spend a few extra bucks and get some quality, easy to use nutes..
especially for your first few grows..then experiment with off the shelf garden ferts if you want.
it'll make for a happier heavier harvest using the proper nutes...and alot less problems..and when you do have a prob.. someone will have the experience with the nutes to help ya.

just my advice.

[ninja]

I find indoor weed grown using a good amount of nutes and not flushed properly has a darker ash, and tastes harsher.


peace


Oh really?
so you've smoked ounces upon ounces of the exact same strain and phenotype grown both with chem ferts as well as organics?
exact same environment? same exact cure? exact same humidity during cure and grow?
:rolleyes:
PROPERLY GROWN ?
any pesticides?
it all matters guys..

Wayyy to many variables :cool:

it's a MYTH. you cannot tell the difference if PROPERLY grown.

"ash color".... hehehe

seriously mang...where'd you hear that baloney? :D

[hydrohustle]

word..thnx for the info...knowledge is power!

[hydrohustle]

do i tie just the side branches only and not the middle (or top)??

[dredank]

hydrohustle tie down the top first, then if you want after the side branches grew up to the top tie them down to the sides to like 90 degrees and the internode buds will extend to nice branches.

ninja you need to chill man, my comment was not even directed at you, you think your some guru or somethin lay back roll a sweet and enjoy your bud.

peace

[ninja]

ninja you need to chill man, my comment was not even directed at you, you think your some guru or somethin man lay back roll a sweet and enjoy your bud.

peace

lol
Im always relaxed.. dont read emotion into written words, man.. I dont mean to come off as harsh.


Ive been on tons of grow sites, and I was just droppin a lil knowledge to this site, cuz I thought it was a cool one :tup:

cranky got a lil "cranky" and thought it'd be better to argue with me ,than direct a new grower in the right direction, making it seem as if fruit juice wouldn't rot and cause problems.
better not to confuse when you can assist, IMHO.

I may have seemed a bit defensive, and if I did, I appologize.

one love
Ninja

[ice#1]

ok just seen this one and i'm here to say flush it thats how mother nature does it thats why it rains in the fall plus if you use chem ferts you will be able to taste it if you dont flush it i will be posting a thread in the next few weeks that explaines all on how to get super sweet buds just prof reading it now so it should be up this next week sometime i've been growing pot outdoors for close to 20 years and yet to see it not rain in the fall that is mother natures way of flushing pot out

[CB]

dont read emotion into written words,

say ninja so true there bro....

tiss hard to express one's self on forums at time indeed

got peeps from all over that do it in different ways ;)

hope to see your post continue here on HGB and look forward to them

grow on

[ninja]

ok just seen this one and i'm here to say flush it thats how mother nature does it thats why it rains in the fall plus if you use chem ferts you will be able to taste it if you dont flush it i will be posting a thread in the next few weeks that explaines all on how to get super sweet buds just prof reading it now so it should be up this next week sometime i've been growing pot outdoors for close to 20 years and yet to see it not rain in the fall that is mother natures way of flushing pot out


I stand by my previous statement that you CANNOT taste the ferts in properly grown buds..
experienced older growers know this truth.
Organic shelved ferts are simply a marketing tool.
they contain preservatives or they would ROT on the shelf... which mean they are NOT 100% organic... "but ohh they make the bud taste sooo much better right? lol"

use common sense here guys.


organic teas are organic only if you mix them yourself, and work like any proper outdoor soil grow would...nothing special, just cheaper if you know what you are doing, but organics usually fall short of the performance from ferts..
( I Know all you HT fans will flame me to hell and back for that, but it's true try a side by side with 10 plants for a few grows and you'll see what i mean..i was on the organic kick for a while too... but since have learned that it's not all it's cracked up to be.)


If you can taste " Chemicals" in yer pot... your grower did something terribly wrong.
9 times out of 10 it's pesticides, the rest is prolly in yer head.

Now can someone please tell me.. what exactly does salt ,and potassium taste like when smoked?


:rolleyes:

[ice#1]

well on my outdoor plants i don't use pestacided and just put fish scraps in the holes and i'e never tasted anything like when i tried miricale grow on some to see if they would get bigger and they tasted nasty i evan did not feed any nutes for the last month but they still tasted nasty and that was with haveing a month of flushing but lets say for just one minute your right feed your plants right up to harvest with-out flushing and you can't taste the differance must be nice to have dead taste buds every one i know can taste the differance as with all the people here say as well ever think that it is you thats wrong and not everyone else i mean why would all the seedbanks say to use organics not chemicals or maybe it is that chemical nutes evan if only a slight chance could cause cancer i've never heard this claim towards organic ferts so besides the fact that i along with millions of other people can taste them so you claim it is in everybody's head hows come they i myself included don't taste them if we smoke some organicly grown weed that we were made to think was grown with chemicals i've tried this to people and they can still tell the differances try it its called a blind taste test where only the person who has them try the samples knows which is which everyone i've tried this on has never mistake organics for chemicals. or maybe people just don't like putting chemicals on a liveing thing why don't you find the chemical make-up of a cheeseburger and just eat the chemicals it would be cheeper and save you lots of time as you wouldnt have to cook it. i mean are you just so set in your ways that you are just not open to what lots of people tell you has been proven fact yes if grown right it chemicals won't have an extremly bad taste but it will still taste differant than organics as in organics saports soil microbs.
and some of us are into organics becuase its healthier for the plants as well as the people that smoke it becuase if i was into selling it i would be useing chem ferts becuase it would be cheeper in the long run but i would not be smokeing it as i value my health

[ninja]

well on my outdoor plants i don't use pestacided and just put fish scraps in the holes and i'e never tasted anything like when i tried miricale grow on some to see if they would get bigger and they tasted nasty i evan did not feed any nutes for the last month but they still tasted nasty and that was with haveing a month of flushing but lets say for just one minute your right feed your plants right up to harvest with-out flushing and you can't taste the differance must be nice to have dead taste buds every one i know can taste the differance as with all the people here say as well ever think that it is you thats wrong and not everyone else i mean why would all the seedbanks say to use organics not chemicals or maybe it is that chemical nutes evan if only a slight chance could cause cancer i've never heard this claim towards organic ferts so besides the fact that i along with millions of other people can taste them so you claim it is in everybody's head hows come they i myself included don't taste them if we smoke some organicly grown weed that we were made to think was grown with chemicals i've tried this to people and they can still tell the differances try it its called a blind taste test where only the person who has them try the samples knows which is which everyone i've tried this on has never mistake organics for chemicals. or maybe people just don't like putting chemicals on a liveing thing why don't you find the chemical make-up of a cheeseburger and just eat the chemicals it would be cheeper and save you lots of time as you wouldnt have to cook it. i mean are you just so set in your ways that you are just not open to what lots of people tell you has been proven fact yes if grown right it chemicals won't have an extremly bad taste but it will still taste differant than organics as in organics saports soil microbs.
and some of us are into organics becuase its healthier for the plants as well as the people that smoke it becuase if i was into selling it i would be useing chem ferts becuase it would be cheeper in the long run but i would not be smokeing it as i value my health

wow one big ass sentence...lol

1. I still stand by what I posted untill all the speculation is dropped and you hit me with a LINK showing EXCATLY what these ' Chemicals" are that you are tasting in the buds..
2. please add a link showing how the plant processes ferts differently that organic compost, and please show the Study that proves your point.

3. i said PROPERLY grown..lol Miracle Grow ISNT th proper way to grow herb.. MG is wayy to high in nitrogen for pot plants and with recommended doseages, you'll KILL your Canna with MG.
( not my fault if your boys cant properly grow their buds)


also... i looked.. i cant find a single scientific study that backs your claim. :P

BTW taste sure isnt why edible veggies are grown hydroponically or organicaly
and

NO veggie company would make the claim ( even organic growers) that their veggies taste better than farm raised normal fertillized veggies..or that you can " Taste" the ferts.
theyd get SUED.

[ice#1]

i'll show you my link when you show us your link that proves that you can't taste the differance and the m-g i used was for fruiting plants not for vegging plants not all m-g has high amounts of nitrogen in it but how do you dissprove mother nature as it rains in the fall which is why most outdoor growers try to beat the rain so there buds don't mold as that is how mother nature flushes her plants and no they dont claim it tastes better they say it is more healthy for you and they dont use chem fert differantly than organics but the are just cheep subsatutes that don't have exsactly the same stuff in them like when you buy a bag of bat shit it has more then just nitrogen in it. it has many of the micro and macro nutes along with some vitamines . plus how do they shinasize guano as it breaks down at differant rates and that can't be shinasized in a chemical come on common sense should tell you your opion is wrong show us a link that proves your way is the best

[pmoney420]

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[pmoney420]

if you support chemical fertilizers then you support the destruction of the environment. Chemical fertilizers end up in our water tables, they kill much of what is living in the soil.

[drumin]

if you support chemical fertilizers then you support the destruction of the environment. Chemical fertilizers end up in our water tables, they kill much of what is living in the soil.
That is a ridiculously over simplified, totally hypocritical and specious commentary. Do you drive a car, use electricity, eat anything you didn't grow, throw away anything non-organically manufactured or processed? I'm sorry to come off so harsh but it really pisses me off when people say crap like that. It perpetuates ignorant attitudes. Now if you want to comment that we as a society should do more to clean up the environment and try to pollute less, that's one thing but to make a claim that anyone who uses synthetic ferts advocates poisoning the planet...

You got a misplaced thanks on this one, I hit the "thanks" button instead of the "quote" button by mistake because I certainly did not want to thank you for that post.

[pmoney420]

Well, I know it was very simplified... but to be honest I dont have the time or patience to be writing out long posts, except now because its 5am and Im totally baked. I do drive a car, and use electricity, but I do think about the environment on every purchase I make. I agree, it was too hasteful to say that everybody who supports chems supports killing the environment. What I shouldve said is: "if you support chemical fertilizers, you are unknowingly destroying the environment". There is no argument over whether chemical fertilizers are severly damaging our planet (Im not just talking about growing weed.)

The reason Im trying to make my point is because the poster above is stating that he can grow so good that he cant taste the chemicals in his weed. Awesome dude, good for you really. You must be a good grower and have smoke some seriously good stuff. But he is coming off like chemicals are not bad if you know how to grow. Just because you cant taste the chemicals doesnt mean theyre not there. Those ferts arent just made up of nitrogen, potassium, and phosphorous. Among the other trace elements there is usually heavy metals. Heavy metals = carcinogen. More importantly than our own health, is the health of the planet. The manufacturing and overuse of these toxic fertilizers is worse for the environment that for us, trust me Mother Nature can surely taste your chemical fertilizers and the toxic waste produced while they are made.

Ill stop now Im starting to ramble

[rolanterroy]

3. i said PROPERLY grown..lol Miracle Grow ISNT th proper way to grow herb.. MG is wayy to high in nitrogen for pot plants and with recommended doseages, you'll KILL your Canna with MG.

Heh heh amen ninja, I couldn't agree more (except for the why to some extent) with that statement, in my opinion. Not to say I ain't seen peeps grow some damn decent herb with MG, or Shultz or those type of nutes, but if you want something rock solid as proof, like a link, you will just find more opinions. It's all about these 3 words: Compared to what?

Try it yourself man. Just do one of your plants organically or even with high quality organic based or even high quality synthetics (chem) nutes and compare it side by side with clones to same-same conditions but use MG or Shultz or something. If you ask me there's a huge difference, HUGE!

I'll even go further to say that *if* you are a killer organics grower, 100% organics all the way, or if you smoked some killer bud from one, you would totally agree that it just don't get no sweeter than that, noticably bigtime. But... and this is a big but, *if* you are a killer synthetics or organics based grower, the margin of difference in the two can be very narrow. And I mean this especially with regard to hydroponics and that is because your flushing in hydro is so totally outstanding clean, pure water to the roots!

I have seen chem grown plant waste drive away earthworms from an area before where it was tossed to decompose, I have heard of this happening several more times. So that pretty much tells me without a doubt that synth ferts leave some residuals in the plant tissue. But even a highly skilled grower can't get around the "grade" of the nutrients when synthetic. MG and Shultz are just inferior by compare to higher end nutes that are synthetic, their nutrient sources are B grade and the quality of the synthetic salts in the composition are also "dirty" I guess is the word I am looking for, not as refined so more junk that has to end up someplace.

Damn Drumin, I gotta give you a big cheers, I dig on the way you think bro! 2thumbs Well said indeed.

- REvster

[rolanterroy]

If you use MG or Shultz cuz it's cheap or whatever, look and see if anyplace near you carries Peter's Dry Synthetic ferts, there's a 20-20-20 vegg and a Bloom one too. These are not only cheap, but are also of a very high quality, very. Here's the rules with using these kinds of ferts....

COnsider 1/2 of recommended ratios to be FULL POWER.

Flush often and well in soil or soilless; if in the actual ground, you should consider 1/3rd recommended ratios as FULL POWER.

This stuff is so killer it even works in Hydro, yep, it does and does it well I might add. I was growing hydro way before there werwe any Hydro Nutes on the market heh heh, and we pulled off Killer harvests using Peter's nutes. Again, 1/2 of Recommended is full power in hydro as well.

Switch over if you are now using MG or SHultz or whatever and you will see a big difference immediately! I swear! :D Great cheap synthetic nutes and you can find them all over the place like Home Depots and such.

- REvster

[drumin]

If you use MG or Shultz cuz it's cheap or whatever, look and see if anyplace near you carries Peter's Dry Synthetic ferts, there's a 20-20-20 vegg and a Bloom one too. These are not only cheap, but are also of a very high quality, very. Here's the rules with using these kinds of ferts....

COnsider 1/2 of recommended ratios to be FULL POWER.

Flush often and well in soil or soilless; if in the actual ground, you should consider 1/3rd recommended ratios as FULL POWER.

This stuff is so killer it even works in Hydro, yep, it does and does it well I might add. I was growing hydro way before there werwe any Hydro Nutes on the market heh heh, and we pulled off Killer harvests using Peter's nutes. Again, 1/2 of Recommended is full power in hydro as well.

Switch over if you are now using MG or SHultz or whatever and you will see a big difference immediately! I swear! :D Great cheap synthetic nutes and you can find them all over the place like Home Depots and such.

- REvster

Don't forget about the way the nitrogen releases from Peter's or like me, you'll get a nitrogen poisoning or locking up other minerals. I use and like Peter's 20-20-20 and the 10-50-30 for flowering. I just wish the 20-20-20 had less N or handled the N differently. The doses you recommend are right on.

[rolanterroy]

Yeah bro, I rarely (if ever) use anything at Full Strength, and when it comes to synth nutes I always strive to find out what the least amount I can use is and still acheive the same results from. If I remember right, I would use the 20-20-20 at about 1/2 recommended (or what I would call full power) and the flowering ferts I found it took even less I think to pull them off at max happiness/size. Like 1/3rd recommended I think.

As a rule of thumb I really don't ever hit my baybees with anything that has an NP,or K number above 15; hence 20-20-20 at half strength is 10-10-10 and as per with 1/3rd of the flowering Peter's too to bring the P number down around 15ish ;)

Peter's powers out the N bro cuz it's clean and cuz the K = the N, and K is a massive catalyst for N burning as per my experience has shown me. Plus isn't it also a really high percentage of soluable N? Heh heh there it is there too.

- REvster