Ebb 'n' Grow, Baby, Grow

[tripps]

Ordered my 24 site ebb n Grow system yesterday from HTG supply. I Bushmastered my outdoor plants last weekend, I figured I better take my clones first, no idea how Bushmastered plants would root, better safe than sorry. I have some interesting seeds I want to try, but with being out of town, these clones can go straight into the ebb n grow pots, maybe I'll try my seeds on the second run. White Russian, Nebula, Dynamite, and White Rhino this run, all are heavy feeders, so they should be compatable. I took about 40-45 clones off my outdoor plants, the healthiest 24 will go in the pots. Running 2 600's and 2 400's to start, plan to add another 600.

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[CylonBud]

Cool going full on right out of the box! Willl be watching to see how this goes. :D

[Mr Burns]

Well you know my personal thoughts on this system buddy. Foooookin superb 2thumbs
If I were to choose 1 method of growing and had to stick with it I'd choose multi pod F&D. I love my small F&D set up and if there was any need to change my main grow in the future it would be to try F&D on a larger scale.
To me, its the quietest system out there and the root growth I've experienced is the fastest I've seen in early veg.

Can't wait to see this baby up and flooding.

Bloody well kudos to you buddy, and by the wheelbarrow load :gthumb:

[Foxy]

Fanatstic Matey!!! :woohoo: REALLY eager to see one of these running in the hands of someone I know. ;)

Nearly bought a similar one but was told you have to replace all the pebbles every 2-3 grows?? :shrug: I live in an apartment block with no lift so I ruled it out at the time. If you get it singing how I think you will I might give it a go anyway. :cool:

Good Growin'. 2thumbs

[Kiwi]

Had a squizz at the website (HTG supply) some nifty looking stuff on there

I built the Worlds most complicated Ebb And Flow © which is still sitting in my attic yet to be tested, got side tracked by a bubbler addiction :D

Does the res sit below the pots so if everything turns pear shaped and the pump/controller have a day off gravity takes all the nutirent back to it?

Taking a seat, somewhere near the back, so no one notices if I pass out, which is quite a possibility :erm:

~Kiwi~

[Shadows]

Wow tripps nice setup man. Sure to blow the hempies out of the water with that one bro! :D

I just wanna know, how the hell you got that Kiwi mug to post again? :D

[tripps]

Does the res sit below the pots so if everything turns pear shaped and the pump/controller have a day off gravity takes all the nutirent back to it

IDK, I'll see when it arrives, but I think not, especially if the plants sit on the floor.

[Mr Burns]

Main nute res is the largest bin on the right.
Smaller one pointed out by the arrow is what's known here as 'the brain bucket'. It consists of a timer and various float switches and is connected to all buckets via tubing allowing the flooding of nutrients.
When the timer demands a flood the brain bucket fills from the large res and keeps on flooding until all buckets are flooded to the height of the uppermost float switch in the brain bucket, which when triggered disengages the pump from flooding.
I think you can programme a pause, and then it pumps back into the main res from the brain bucket, taking all 12 connected buckets worth of nutrient solution with it.
The ebb stops when the lowest float valve is triggered and so the system sits and waits until the timer demands another flood.

Basically the brain bucket is where all the gizmo's are except the flood pump which I'd have thought would be located in the largest and main res.

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Hope that made sense :)

[Kiwi]

Thats what I figured :)

Being a paranoid fooker it would worry me if something doesn't switch off or on the res empties itself all over the floor

Looking forward to seeing it in action

I just wanna know, how the hell you got that Kiwi mug to post again? :D

Bad habits die hard :D I just wanna know why you missed the opportunity to mock my ebb and flow table :halol:

~Kiwi~

[CezarCronic]

My friend Tripps great choice bro i love that system a lot :woohoo:, to me is one of my favor to use if ever a chance to have one , having the reservoir tank separate and big helps a lot in many parts of the grow , pH levels will be more stable and monitoring and checking everything is easier .:smoke1:

Looking forward to see the system working and making some awesome buds :D

[tripps]

Well the laptop and desktop shit the bed the same day, on my daughters, but no pics, I explained in my soil journal. Got the ebb n grow system, had a bunch a pics, but no dice. Wife's been keeping the clones alive, a little too wet, I think, but I've been coaching her over the phone, what can you do? Took 12 W Russian, Nebula, and Dynamite, plus 6 W Rhino. As usual, the Nebula are the toughest to root, lost 4 Nebula to damp- off/ soft rotten stems, so far all the rest are good. My pig roast is next saturday, I think I'm going to take a vacation day next Friday to make a quick, crude version of B and C's nice ebb n flow setups, LOL. Gonna run the best 24 clones in 4" pots of hydroton, till I can set up the ebb n grow system. There was a glitch on the order, my cc was charged but the order didn't go through. They fixed it right away Monday morning, it was sitting in my driveway by Thursday morning. HTG is great, Tony threw in a big pac ( 10 items) of technaflora products, plus knocked the shipping ($92) off the total.

[that guy]

Yay making up for mistakes!!! That would keep my business for sure!

Looking forward to seeing this get started!

All the best,
TG

[tripps]

Got the laptop up and running, my pics are still here, post some up during the week. Mrs Tripps did her best on the clones, but they were too wet by far. The Nebulas, not the easiest cloners, got that cobwebby mold, like white filaments. Came home midweek for laptop and to check them, they're 10 1/2 days, decided it was "root hog, or die". LOL The lids off for good, they should make it, what's left. Funny how strains are different, My White Russians are still the champs in almost every category, I'm used to 90 - 95% success, I figured 42 was way more than enough to pick 24 best, but whats left is 11/12 Russians, 9/12 Dynamite, 4/6 Rhinos, and the poor Nebs,:(, 3/12. (and one of them don't look good). Might need all of these, I can take a few more for moms, if need be.

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[Mr Burns]

Gotta agree on the Russians tripps. I used to clone roughly 40% more than I needed so I could pick the best of the bunch and allow a small loss, however with the White Russians I found I could draw back to 20% and still have some left to put outside.
Probably the easiest cloner I've come across so far.

Good call on leaving the dome off with that 'webbing'. I'd have done the same FWIW although I've not come across that yet. But then again, my partner wants sweet FA to do with the grow and won't even look in on it, let alone take interest 2thumbs That'll be one less pair of lungs to hoover my shit up :D

So are you on course for this DIT E&F set up, porky :shrug:

[CylonBud]

But then again, my partner wants sweet FA to do with the grow and won't even look in on it, let alone take interest 2thumbs That'll be one less pair of lungs to hoover my shit up :D


We are in the same boat in the regard. The misses won't have anything what so ever to do with my grows. She won't smoke any either though. All the more for me! :D

[tripps]

Ha, Burnsy, wait till you see how low I can go, LOL, I think 7 total pieces to the system. As always, managed to work some shit in the Magical Barn into it, I've been hanging around the local farmers too much. Less is more! LOL Not pretty, like yours and Cez's, but it'll do the job, time is like gold to me. A few pics of the main system that I thought I'd lost. IDK, Cy which is worse or better, mine smokes me out of house and home, yours gets credit for allowing it with no benefit to herself. :shrug:

Main drum and buckets

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The brains

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OK, nice freebie, can't wait to wear the shirt to the Old Policemens Charity Ball (I would never normally go bowling, on a Friday morning, in New Orleans!)

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But to my surprise Tony threw this in too! Quite the pack, I'm gonna stick with my GH this run, but I'm sure it'll get used. Oh, and I can't remember if I mentioned it, he knocked off the shipping, too, $92, maybe cause there was a hitch in the original order, cc got charged but order didn't get through.

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And lastly, my Bluelabs TDS truncheon meter. Their ph meter has been on my wish list for near a year, but I'm real happy with my Milwaulkee so far, now my wish list calls for the pair ofcontinuous monitors like Burnsy has, wifey dear can tell at a glance when I'm gone that way, but this gives me the most versatility for now.


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[Foxy]

Wow, I really like all the colours on those bottles!!! That means they must be good! Especially for freebies.

I have the same meters that Burnsy has matey but I don't think Bluelab sell them seperately anymore. :shrug: They were part of the Growsafe Maestro autodosing system but were also available on their own for a few years. They were also about £220 for the pair if I remember right, so not cheap.

I haven't used one myself but a grow buddy of mine got a 6 in 1 constant readout from ebay for £40 (they ship to the states) and he loves it. Use the search string "Multi-Function Meter Tester EC CF TDS PH" and you'll get to it.

I'm not recommending it to anyone mind, I haven't used one, but they're so cheap I'm gonna get one anyway to try it out. ;)

[tripps]

Thanks, Foxy, good info.

Edit- Up to $80, plus $24 shipping, still pretty reasonable if they're good.

[CylonBud]

IDK, Cy which is worse or better, mine smokes me out of house and home, yours gets credit for allowing it with no benefit to herself.

Hard to say which is better or worse. I'm happy with mine is all I can say. I do miss the idea of have a smoke together and chilling out after wards. She will in a pinch and if I ask nicely take a peak and water if I'm not around though. :D

Nice kit and nutes and shwag BTW. I'd like to see it when it's up and going as I will be looking to do a small simple F&D grow before I get my NFT system going. NFT has to wait till I get a bigger house which should be before spring. :cool:

[tripps]

Well, I'm down to 24 clones, not happy with them at all, 12 days, no roots showing, but they must be there, they're holding up with no dome, to be fair, they were in flower. Plus it leaves me no moms. Decided there must be a better way, something maintainence free. Made myself an easy cloner in under 30 minutes. Picked up a tupperware tub, had some 4" by 1/2" closed cell expansion joint in my barn. I was gonna hole -saw the lid, wasn't sure how to cut the plugs. I thought of my neighbor, who rebuilds and restores antique bulldozers and backhoes.He's got everything, he has a mill and a lathe, I don't know how many people will apreciate what I'm saying, but he could make you a one-off piston if you needed one. He had a box of punches he made for just about what I wanted to do, thin pieces of tube honed to a knife edge on one end. Punched out some 1 1/4" plugs of 1/2" thick foam, punched 1 3/16" holes in lid. Drilled 2 holes in the tub and inserted 2 4" airstones. Took 3 W Rhinos, 6 Nebula, 3 Dynamite, and 3 Wild Trip. Left 3 holes open in case the Durga Matta or NL X W Rhino are female. Seems to be working well.

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[CylonBud]

Looking good tripps. Punching the holes is way better than trying to cut them by hand and looks a lot better too. :D Hopefully the Durga and or the NL x W Rhino cross are females. :mmmm:

[HATCH]

Great Thread!!!,,,,,,,,Best Of Luck With The New Set-Up!!!!,,,,,,Can't Wait To See You Fill It Up!!!!:D

[tripps]

Boy, do I love my aerocloner, or whatever you call it. I only had 1 plant wilt some on the second day, it was a W Rhino that I cut the stem too short. Dribbled a little water on it, and balanced a tray dome over it overnight, back lookin' good this morning.

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My original clones, though, are the sorriest bunch I've ever seen, lost 3 or 4 more, I think, but in the end, I should have enough. Day 14, a couple Dynamite are showing roots. Have to set up my temp ebb n flow table tonight.

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[CezarCronic]

Looking very good friend , i like your cloner design better them any counter brand , exactly how does work ? its that a air pump ?? pumping air in to the water with nutrients?? .

Nice work tripps :cool:

[tripps]

Thanks, Cez. 2 4" airstones, water level 1" below the top, plain PH 5.7 water, no nutes. About 1/2 are touching the water, the other 1/2 of the clones stems are just above the water surface, all seem to be doing well.

[Mr Burns]

If its working for you don't change a thing tripps, but the stems on bubble cloners normally sit above the water and rely on the popping bubbles to intermittently splash the cuts.

1 thing I did notice is you might want to separate them starter cubes a little before the roots from one block start entering its neighbouring block, or you'll be tearing roots when you separate the plants ;)

Looking forward to the temp F&D table buddy 2thumbs Gotta love some DIY grow equipment :D

[Shocker]

Looks like Christmas at The Tripps!

That E&F system looks pretty nice, should be a blast puttin it together ;)

Don't ya love freebies??!! :D

[tripps]

If its working for you don't change a thing tripps, but the stems on bubble cloners normally sit above the water and rely on the popping bubbles to intermittently splash the cuts.

1 thing I did notice is you might want to separate them starter cubes a little before the roots from one block start entering its neighbouring block, or you'll be tearing roots when you separate the plants ;)

Looking forward to the temp F&D table buddy 2thumbs Gotta love some DIY grow equipment :D

Well, I looked closer, only 3 are actually touching the water. Ideally the container could be an inch or so taller, so my stem length didn't have to be so exact, we'll see if the ones touching the water do better or worse than the others. There were other size containers in the store, but I think that double edge of the tupperware style lids is important, the inner edge provides kind of a drip edge, so the condensation running off the domed lid doesn't leak out where the lid meets the tub. I deliberately keep the starter cubes attached, they hold water longer and more evenly that way, especially as I'm not there to monitor. I've always gotten to them before the roots intermingle between the cubes, but yes, it could become a problem if you didn't.

Well, finally got a chance to post up some pics of my down and dirty ebb n flow vegging setup. Basically just 2 tubs, one cut down, a couple hangers made from #9 wire, and a pump attached to a siphon tube I had laying around from my aquarist days. It eliminates any bulkhead fittings, and when the pump stops, it helps drain by siphoning back down the tube till the table water level gets down to an inch or so, then it goes dry and loses suction.

Here's the whole thing, basically. Note the nice, raised center on the tub, so I can drill my drainage holes at the edges, the upper tub can drain completely, and the plants never sit in old solution.

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The one problem I had is that the upper tub sags in the middle from the weight, even with a third hanger. The #9 wire is too soft and malleable, even with an extra bend in the middle, to support the center so the pots fill evenly. After this pic was taken, I did a temporary fix by laying a piece of 3/4" diameter plastic pipe crossways across the hangers, seemed to work as a temporary fix, I'll have to design some better hangers this weekend.

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I just used regular 4" square pots, they have a ton of holes in the bottom already, I took a real thin cutting wheel in my angle grinder and cut a vertical slit in all 4 sides of the pot, that hard plastic has a real tendency to crack when you drill holes in it, this way was much faster and easier.

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Just running plain ph 5.7 water, I'm going home tonight and changing to a weak nute solution, any suggestions for the proper ppm or EC concentration for this young of plants welcome. (4 days in the system)

[majestyk5]

very nice looking setup. should work reak well for you

[Pistol Pete]

As Long As The Aeration Is good It is Adviseable To have Young Clones Grow Partially Submerged, But Recently Placed Cuttings Demand A Little Encouragement By Lowering The Level , And As Mr Burns So Correctly Described The Feed Delivery Process So Accuratley
Once The Air Roots Have Developed , Then Partially Raise Level
Once Allowed to Settle And You Have Got To Know Your Plants Demands Then ( See Image ) Back off Nutrient Level
Would You Believe These Cheeseplants I recently Grew Were Drinking Over 10 Litres A Day :eek:
These Images Were In An Old Thread I Did On DIY Recycling ,lol
Finished Product Was Divine:p
I Love Bubbles
PP

[Pistol Pete]

I Just Titled All The Images HGB Demo:); Do Excuse The " JugBubbler ":p
PP

[Pistol Pete]

I Could'nt Resist:D
I Have Just Fired Up A DWC Bubbler ( Oxypot Copy ) And Will Be Using A Mix of Pea Gravel ( Aquarium Quality ) And Hydroton
Like The Cheese , it Will Be Grown Bioponically ( It Being G13 :) )
Only Problem At The Moment Is Deciding Which , Or All Three Plants Going Into The Meshpot ( 6" Cube )
I Am A Devout Cannazym User , And More recently Bio Pac
" Build Stable Foundations To Realise The Fruit Of Your Labours ":)
Images After PH Stabilised:)
I Hope To Get A Dr Sochting Oxydator ( 100% Oxygen ) Along The way;)
PP:)

[tripps]

My neighbor just asked me this past weekend, as I was making my cloner in his garage, if pure oxygen, instead of air, would make the clones root/grow faster. I said I never heard of it, but that I imagined it might.

[tripps]

Dang, man, my tapwater is 400 ppm. I didn't have time to change the rez before I left, all that ph up and down had it at 800 ppm, and I think my light was a little too close besides, I was double burning them. Changed the water, just the ph down alone, to bring it under 6.0, brought it up to 500-600 ppm. Looks like I'm gonna have to buy a RO system. Replaced 2 dead Dynamite with two W Rhinos I still had in cubes. Luckily the bubble cloner ones all look good, probably going to lose 2 more in the E n F table.

[CB]

pretty sure 400 is hard water bro.... not for hydro with out proper nutes.... 500 is the cut off for safe to drink:eek:

:pass:

[CylonBud]

The water in WNY is normally considered hard. Lot of water softeners sold around here. ;)

[CezarCronic]

Tripps love your design for veg your clones man , looks very effective , for the hanger part , try to get some aluminum flayer about 1 inch wide and 2mm to 3mm thick and make your hanger from site to site like a rack so the tray can rest on top of it ;) , well just an idea i guess :)

[tripps]

No, we don't drink the tapwater, CB :). I'm sure my actual tap water might be lower, it goes through a softener, but I draw my water before the softener, the sodium ions that replace the calcium ions are no good either. :(

Well, I had already ordered another 600 light and a 6" fan/carbon filter last night at HTG, I added a RO system to my order. I needed one anyway, when I started my kitchen remodel I trashed the Everpure I had, it was $250 to replace the 3 cartridges, and the thing put out a pitiful amount, I think only a few gallons a day, so I had planned on a new one anyway. Says it will produce up to 100 gallons a day, should be fine, and the wife will be happy to have one again. I will pick up 10 gallons of RO water at the store on the way home tomorrow, and change the res again, was reading between 500 and 600 ppm, plants look awful, hopefully they'll be OK til then.
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[tripps]

Last night I pumped my res down to a gallon or 2 left in it, added 6 gallons of RO water, and added a pinch and a dash of cal mag, a tablespoon of GH Micro and 2 tablespoons of bloom, brought the ppm's to 400. Only been 2 cycles overnight, but I swear they look better. Could be wishful thinking, though. No roots yet on day 8 for the bubble cloner cuttings, but they still look good, I attribute the slow start to the fact that the clone donors were in flower. Pics later this weekend

[tripps]

Pretty boring period in the grow, the slowness is killing me. As bad as they look, all the clones in the flood table are showing signs of some new growth, except the one in the far right rear, might lose that one. Great minds must think alike, like B, I added some Nitrozyme to the bubblecloner before I left for the weekend, Monday morning was day 11, no roots yet, but I'm betting when I get home tomorrow I'll see some. I hope so, the cuttings are getting pale fast. You can see the 2 dark green ones are recent cuts of a Durga Matta I got from a friend that just showed sex. Wife said my new 600, carbon filter, and RO unit showed up yesterday, lotta work ahead

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[CylonBud]

Hopefully the Durga Mata turns out as good as I am told it is. Hopefuly they all get roots soon. Worst part about clones is the waiting for roots IMO. :D

[CezarCronic]

Tripps i can see your advancing forward , i know what you mean man i got a few clones waiting to root and seems is for ever man :rolleyes: can wait to start some mingo with the breeding room;)

Don't worry soon everything will be plain GREEN:D

[O.D.]

Hello my friend... nice to see your GJ over here!

I hope to be following along here... You'll get those clones rooted.
I fee like a dope for suggesting you use a dome, of course you have a dome....

Maybe it's like networking computers... it can be a pain but once it's done, it's done.
You'll get that cloner dialed in and then it'll work forever. :D

Peace- OD

[Freakshow]

High Tripps! congrats on the new system. There's a great tutorial on how to build the "brain" for an ebb and grow over at ICmag. I think I'll be building mine - $120 DIY vs $500 store bought.

Your garden is lookin good, Bro

[tripps]

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So far so good, while I was gone during the week, my ppm held at 500, ph drifted up to 6.1. New growth looked a little dark, so I added 2 gallons of distilled water (they were out of RO at the store, shouldn't make a difference, I added cal mag), bringing the PPM to 450, PH'd it and ended up a little low, 5.3, but as it had demonstrated a tendency to rise, I left it alone, by this morning it was at 5.5. Even the one I thought I'd lose is showing new growth, once they get roots, it's amazing what will come back.

Finally showing roots on a few of the bubble cloner cuttings, made up a real weak Nitrozyme and nute solution for the cloner, 200 PPM, and changed it out. Lost the one W Rhino that originally wilted, no biggie, some clones are just not meant to be. Due to the slow rooting from coming off a flowering plant, the cuttings were getting way paler than normal, so I gave them a weak foliar feed a couple times, not something I'd normally do, but it seemed appropriate.

Great new growth on some:

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This plant might look done to some, but I've often seen where clones taken from a flowering plant will have all fresh growth at the internode die off, yet as long as they have a root system and some green left in the leaves, new growth will sprout to replace it.

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Last weekend this plant looked the same or worse, though this isn't a real clear pic, this is actually the one I said I'd probably loose, the green you see at the internode is all fresh growth.

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Just a shot showing the fading on the cuts, upper plants. Lower three are fresher cuttings, a W Rhino flanked by 2 Durga Matta, not so faded yet.

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Only a few showing roots, surprisingly, one of the Nebula, never easy cloners, had a real good root system, I had an open spot on the flood table, so I planted it, I'm coming home Wednesday for an appointment, hopefully plant the rest in the other table. Took a couple more pics, maybe post up Monday or Tuesday.

[CylonBud]

Looks like you got 'em going good tripps. Nice work. :cool: Good to see you got the Durga's going so nice. Real dark green for clones too. :D

[Foxy]

Don't worry Mate we all know how you feel.... It's like having your dream, brand new toy on Christmas Day, but not having the batteries to get it going.... :o

I'm sure you'll get them all rooted, green and healthy... 2thumbs Then you can get the main feature on the reels and show us how it's done... ;)

Never heard of using Nitrozyme in the res before... :confused I'm sure it's right, just never used it like that. Interesting...

Coolio matey, coolio. :)

[Mr Burns]

tripps they look just the same as mine buddy and these are going in the bin. I wanted to see how the 'crush or not to' clones continued into rockwool starter cubes to get a second result, and they're hanging in there.
I'll get you some pics in the morning to show you just how similar your cuts look to mine and hopefully some progress so you can get an idea whilst you're away from home ;)

[Pistol Pete]

Morning Tripps:)
You'll Find A Teaspoon Of Nitric Acid Would Out Do A Gallon Of Sulphuric Acid ;)
Pete:)

[Mr Burns]

A day late and these are looking far better even after 24hrs. Like I say these aren't going anywhere but the bin hence why no aprons or separating the cubes further apart, but it looks like 28 from 28 going by the roots poking out of each cube.

[tripps]

Well, just got home, EC and PH held steady for 2 days, WTF, musta got lucky and hit the right mix. LOL Most all cuts finally showing roots, and the Nebula clone I put into the table is darkening up nicely, plus the overly dark ones on the table have adjusted to that "just right" green color. Well shiver me timbers, life is good! Taking the day off, my poor little Sadie is having dental surgery tomorrow (OMG, $750, WTF?). I made my boss promise not to laugh before I'd tell why I was taking the day off, bastard laughed anyway. She's limping real bad on one leg, too, they took x rays and said they saw nothing, but in 2 months it's progressed to the point that you can feel the muscle's atrophied, they're going to take another set tomorrow before the dental work, to rule out cancer. Man, hard to believe how attached you can get to a dog, especially her, she has gone to work with me every day for the last 11 1/2 years, I've spent more time with her in that period than the wife or kids. I'm gonna be real bad when she goes. Sorry for the bummer, but I never can talk to anyone about how I feel.

[majestyk5]

animals are people too and it is hard to see someone we love go thru hard times.
my thoughts go to you

[CylonBud]

I'm gonna be real bad when she goes. Sorry for the bummer, but I never can talk to anyone about how I feel.

Share all with us tripps that's one of the main reasons we're here. For help and to help each other and this is as good as any reason (Can't think of much that are better.) to help a friend. Hopefully Sadie makes it out of this well. :cool:

Good to hear your EC and PH and grow are settling in nicely.

[CezarCronic]

Tripps I 'll tell you this my friend , i don't own a dog and the last time i had a dog was a long time a go maybe more them 20 years now , the reason i don't want another dog is i had a small French Poodle after he got old one time i was on a work trip and he got very sick , my gram ma call me and explain the dogs conditions i travel back to see him and take him to the vet , went i got home he was on the kitchen floor and hes back legs had no movement he crawl with hes front legs like crying i pick him up and got on my car fast to take him to a vet emergency clinic and he die in my hands on the way :( that moment was very frustrating to me i start yelling and braking everything around me because i was to late :mad:

Since that day i new dogs only have 15 to 18 years of life so getting another dog and getting attach to the animal was going to get me in to the same situation i was that day :(

He was 13 years old and one of the reason hes life was shorter is because we made the mistake of feating the dog our leftovers :(

[Mr Burns]

So what's the rep on the grow and more importantly at this point, Sadie :shrug:

What was the outcome buddy :)

[tripps]

Hi, B, grow is OK, took pics for an update a week and a half ago, just haven't had the time. They never did her dental surgery, the 4 canines are so big that it is very major surgery. they are not too bad, the vet said due to the severety of the extraction, they are good candidates for root canals. Bad news is the vet suspects a nerve sheath tumor, only way to tell is through an MRI. I have an appointment Thursday at Cornell University, considered, at least in the NE USA, to be the best animal hospital in the world. If it is, her best hope is that it is not too near the spine, they can amputate the leg. If not, IDK, they mentioned radiation, but I've rarely seen success in humans, let alone animals. Trying not to be upset, don't really know, my vet said it was just her best guess. Try to post an update to the grow soon, topped the most vigorous of the first clones, giving the 2nd batch at least a little chance to catch up. Lovin' ebb n flow, low maintenance and fastest growth I've ever seen. Wish Sadie luck, please.

[Mr Burns]

Wish Sadie luck, please.

Without question tripps. Without question :hippy:

I imagine it can be easy to cast aside a persons affection for an animal but I know where you're coming from as many others reading this no doubt will.

Forget uploading pictures buddy and concentrate on what's way more important than any grow, Sadie's well being ;)

I'll be thinking of you both Thursday 2thumbs

[Foxy]

Good luck. :)

[CylonBud]

Wish Sadie luck, please.

Without question tripps. Without question :hippy:

I imagine it can be easy to cast aside a persons affection for an animal but I know where you're coming from as many others reading this no doubt will.

Forget uploading pictures buddy and concentrate on what's way more important than any grow, Sadie's well being ;)

I'll be thinking of you both Thursday 2thumbs

Seconded. Wishing Sadie the best of luck tripps. :cool:

[CezarCronic]

Tripps great to hear your grow is doing good , sorry about the Dog man , wish her good luck on the new treatment :)

[majestyk5]

me and mine wish u and yours good karma bro

[CB]

hey tripps,

man's best friend is a dog and the bond between the 2 can be powerful my friend:) hope all goes well my friend.... tiss hard to lose ya best friend:mad:

look forward to updates on the grow and harvest:eek:


:pass:

[tripps]

Thought I'd post some news, pics are a little old, though. I cleaned out my flower room, and install AC. I have a plan for 3 stage cooling/ventilation. First stage is 6", 250 CFM exhaust and matching active intake. 24/7 if the basement doesn't get too cold. Second stage is a 6" 500 cfm exhaust fan, and another 6" 250 cfm inline active intake, set around 78 degrees, controlled by a Ductstat sensor. Third stage will be a 5000 btu AC set at 80 degrees. All exhaust run through a 6" carbon filter.

The second batch clones are starting to take off, topping the first set slowed down their height some, trimming all the roots starting to grow out the bottoms of the 4" pots will hopefully slow them down a little more.

First root pic shows a good one,

Edit :) But the resolution isn't that good, I checked.

second shows why you shouldn't forget to lightproof your bubblecloner, LOL, growing shoots from the internode it was supposed to grow roots from, most all grew roots from the cuts, not the internodes, must be the lack of dark influencing that

http://www.homegrownbud.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=17752&stc=1&d=1221747951

third pic shows a Nebula, 23 days in the cloner, no roots, but still green and healthy, seems impossible. :shrug:. Put it in the E n F tray, and it took.:D

http://www.homegrownbud.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=17753&stc=1&d=1221747951

Fourth shows how once they get roots, almost anything will come back, all that was left were those 2 singlet, almost dead leaves, yet here's the new growth.

http://www.homegrownbud.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=17755&stc=1&d=1221747951

Last shows one of the second batch, less than half a day on the table, already "satellite dishing" (I think I learned that expression from Foxy, or maybe B)

http://www.homegrownbud.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=17754&stc=1&d=1221747951

[CezarCronic]

Tripps looking good man ;), can wait to see that Ebb system in full motion:cool: , one thin on that clone with no roots and still green , i had clones like that all the time , before i used to wait for weeks to see some root and they never show roots at all, ether they die slowly or if they root will take a long time to get strong and vigorous to flow , right now i have one since i place the clones in the hydro system and now is starting to show good heath :rolleyes: after such a long time , imagine the hydro clones are a third in flowering stage already:rolleyes:


Peace my friend and hope to see some strong heavy action in that System soon :)


C.C.:peace:

[tripps]

Hi all, thanks for being patient, slow getting going here. Still haven't set up the ebb n grow yet, but I got a lot done this past weekend. Installed an AC previously, I hooked up my RO system, my intermatic timer, double pole, so I don't have to worry about my 2 timers I was running getting gradually out of sync with each other. Also hooked up my new fan and carbon scrubber, now I don't have to worry about having people over, LOL. Replaced one 400w with a new 600w, and finally got my ballasts moved out of the room. Put up new mylar, too, had a bad spot, stuck together, in the middle of the roll. A lesser man would have given up, LOL, but after an hours frustration, finally got the bad parts cut out and managed to save it. Traveling to past NY City this Friday for my dog, I have to stay overnight, but Sunday I'm hoping to set up the ebb n grow and get my plants going. Last shot shows how "busy" the back outside of my room is getting. Only 3 ballasts at the time of the picture, I've since put together the fourth.

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[CezarCronic]

Your getting there Tripps , looks perfect man , AC for the Sumer ;) and no odor :cool:

C.C.:peace:

[CylonBud]

Looks like you've made good headway since I last visited. With the AC and E&F setup you can pretty much grow year round if ya want. :D I'll be asking ya on the carbon filter set up too. Be needing one for my new house in a sort time.

[Foxy]

Nice one Fella. Looking like the start of a really good set up. 2thumbs

I take it those are your digital ballasts that we talked about before? I just bought one myself, I'll post up details in a thread 'cause they're available in the States too. ;)

Hope all goes well Friday. :)

[Mr Burns]

As ever I'm envious of your cave Mr Flintstone :(

Tripps you using a silencer on the extraction?

Like Basil says good luck Friday and I'm looking forward to some pics of both Sadie and the grow room :)

[tripps]

Tripps you using a silencer on the extraction?

Like Basil says good luck Friday and I'm looking forward to some pics of both Sadie and the grow room :)

Fan is very silent, really isn't an issue, we don't get much company, most people I'd allow across the threshhold know I grow anyway. By special request, Sadie on the job, supervising the curb installation:

http://www.homegrownbud.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=17864&stc=1&d=1222309738

Sadie at the pub, tolerating the 2 crazy Cairn Terriers:

http://www.homegrownbud.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=17862&stc=1&d=1222309741

Sadie the midwife, attending the birth of Sunny the goat:

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And perhaps my favorite, Sadie tending the garden:

http://www.homegrownbud.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=17865&stc=1&d=1222309957

Funny, the town where I'm working, I don't even live there, people come up to me on the street and say "good luck Friday". LOL I know a lot of people, but there are an awful lot more people that know Sadie, at least by name, than me.

Cez, Cy, Foxy, thanks for stopping by and the good wishes. Cy, that's a 6" fan/filter combo from https://www.htgsupply.com/ , $200 if I remember, looks real well built.

[CylonBud]

Looks like the garden is tending Sadie. :D Good luck to her and all the best wishes too. :cool:

[Mr Burns]

Sorry not to have answered sooner tripps I'm embarrassed at missing you post :o
Great to see Sadie is back in the fold and present at the drinking hole :)


Funny, the town where I'm working, I don't even live there, people come up to me on the street and say "good luck Friday". LOL I know a lot of people, but there are an awful lot more people that know Sadie, at least by name, than me.

Funny you mentioned that buddy. I was at a funeral a month ago where I spotted a neighbour that I'd not yet spoken too. This elderly couple approached me and asked if one of the cats were OK cause it had fur loss. I explained she had a food allergy and that's she's on a strict diet to dwindle out what the allergy was, but what struck me most was I wonder if she'd have spoken if it wasn't for one of the cats :shrug: I wouldn't have said no more than a polite hello but isn't it strange how a pet can bring people together :shrug: If all goes to plan I'll be included in their will by Xmas :laugh:

Great pictures of Sadie, especially the pub and pen shots. Super! 2thumbs

[tripps]

Cy, Burnsy, thanks for the kind wishes. I won't know much more til the radiologist reads the images Wednesday, and make another appointment at Cornell. Well, I started assembling the ebb n grow this weekend, but weather forced me to harvest and trim my outdoor stuff, so I topped the clones for the second time, Man, if I'd known my OD harvest would be this good I wouldn't have even started my indoor grow. I'm overwhelmed by it all, there just isn't enough time. :(

[CezarCronic]

Tripps I'm glad to hear everything went well with the Outdoor harvest;) , tell you friend is lots of work i know it my self:rolleyes: but is lots of fun and went you get such a reward back :cool: i can deal with the Pain:p

[CylonBud]

Cy, Burnsy, thanks for the kind wishes. I won't know much more til the radiologist reads the images Wednesday, and make another appointment at Cornell. Well, I started assembling the ebb n grow this weekend, but weather forced me to harvest and trim my outdoor stuff, so I topped the clones for the second time, Man, if I'd known my OD harvest would be this good I wouldn't have even started my indoor grow. I'm overwhelmed by it all, there just isn't enough time. :(

Just give a holler and I'll be right up mate. Be more than glad to help ya then see ya loose a few pounds/lbs to mold/Bud rot. :cool:

[Foxy]

I'm overwhelmed by it all, there just isn't enough time. :(

I can help you out there Matey if you want? I'll smoke as much as I possibly can direct from your plants..... Hey Presto, no trimming! :angel: Just keep the Taco Bell coming... I love that stuff, I wish they had it here...

With all you've got on at the mo mate no one would blame you if you aborted this grow and waited a couple of months. :shrug: You've got the kit now so it's not gonna go away. Mild pressure is often good, stress isn't. ;)

[tripps]

With all you've got on at the mo mate no one would blame you if you aborted this grow and waited a couple of months.

Ah, Foxy, probably smart advice. But if you knew me in the real world you'd understand. Even beaten to the ground with a boot on my neck, I'm usually still pretty sure I'm gonna win. :rotf: Never back down, never give up, LOL.

Finally, we're off! Finished up some trimming Friday night and Saturday morning, Saturday afternoon and night I finished setting up the system, washed my hydroton, and cycled it a couple times with plain water, this morning I did the dirty deed. I'm debating whether to turn them 12/12 tomorrow before I head back out of town, or let them veg and re-root a week, and flip next weekend, I'm leaning towards the latter as I had to cut away tons of roots to get them out of the 4" pots. They had grown a solid mat of roots in the flood table, due to my getting behind. Did the whole veg run with no res changes, and everything stayed pretty stable. Good idea from Burnsy about adding back tap water instead of Ph Up to bring the PH back up, worked like a charm!

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[CezarCronic]

Impressive setup tripps :cool: they look nice , i can see they look kind of skinny on the stern? are those sativas ??

[tripps]

Hi, Cez. They were too long in the veg tray and crowding each other out for light. I'm hoping they thicken up under the big lights.

[Mr Burns]

Hi, Cez. They were too long in the veg tray and crowding each other out for light. I'm hoping they thicken up under the big lights.

Remind me/us what lights you're running tripps would ya :shrug:

[tripps]

Hi, Cez. They were too long in the veg tray and crowding each other out for light. I'm hoping they thicken up under the big lights.

Remind me/us what lights you're running tripps would ya :shrug:

I have 3 600 and a 400 in the corner, where they get a lot of overlap. Think I should cut them back, since they're so leggy, plus losing a lot of roots? New situation for me, here.

Edit: That's one of those questions you know the answer to before you ask. LOL Much as I hate the delay, I topped them for the 3rd time, I never would have been happy with them.

[tripps]

Well, we'll see when I get home tonight if my plants are still alive. :rolleyes: Although I made it through veg without a res change, I forced myself to get up at 4:30 am Monday morning before heading out for the week, and do one for the 9 plants I kept for mothers in my homemade setup, they deserved it by now, I figure. Any recommendations for an EC strength for long term maintanence appreciated, I left them at 1.0 EC, what I was running for reg veg, but I'm not looking for fast growth now, just to hold them til I'm ready for the next batch of clones.

Had to post a funny, (to me) pic, the electricians left these 8 400w MH temporary lights laying out on the floor in an unlocked building, they're lucky I'm honest, LOL.

http://www.homegrownbud.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=18250&stc=1&d=1223643093

[Pistol Pete]

Hi:)
Having Been In The Industrial Business For Only A Brief Period ( Asbestos Removal Worker ) I Constantly Had Access To Certain Bits And Bobs That I Could Have Pilfered ( Excluding The Tyvek Suits And 3M SprayTak Glue We Used To Encapsulate The Area Prior To Any Disturbance/Removal;) )
We Used Micron Extraction Systems To Create A Negative Pressure In Rooms As Big As High School Gymnasiums And These Machines Were The Size Of XXL Growtents , On Wheels:eek:
Each One Was Worth Over $10,000 And Back Then And Security Was Very Lax To Say The least
They Were Quiet , Yet Powerful Enough To Run A Hempire !!
At The Time , I Never Gave Them Much Thought , And Being Bonded With The Local 137 , I Valued Being Bondable
I Do Have A Confession However; Correx , Or Corriboard For Another name ; I Have On Several Occasions Helped Myself To " For Sale " Signs Outside Houses As They Are Ten Times Better Than The Stuff Sold In Hydro Stores ( Even nutriculture Correx Covers Are Flimsy ).
I Think Resisting Temptation In Regards To More Valueable Things , I Think It Better To Ask For Them, Because In All Probability They Could Have Been Destined To The Skip
Yes , Assumptions Are The Mother of All F**k Up's
Respect:)
Pete:)

[CylonBud]

I got my corex covers from a real estate sign company. Cost me 16$ for two 2'x4' black extra think ones. :D

[Dawg]

WOW i like the design of those 400W...be runnin those babys vert :cool:

[tripps]

Doin' a post whilst I make sure the idiot concrete finishers don't f*ck up the sidewalk pour this time. Friday, I should be heading home, but last time I let them pour alone I had to rip out everything they did due to sheer ugliness. Picked up some clones from a friend while I was out of town, managed to keep them alive all week in the motel bathroom, LOL. Bought a 150w flouro and a trouble light hood. Had it sitting right on top of the bucket, the big plant grew up into the bulb in only 2 days. Only scorched one leaf, otherwise they're fine.

Plants at home in the Ebb n Grow didn't look so good last weekend, fighting heat, plus I think I moved the lights down too close before they were acclimated to 100+ watts psf. Couldn't figure out why my AC couldn't keep the temps down. Checked the AC in my construction trailer, (I bought the same model for my grow room because it returns to it's setting after a power outage), and realized it was on low. Next door neighbor saved the day, called him and he went over and flipped the rocker switch to Hi for me. Saved the day yet again a couple days later when the power went out, he hooked up my generator and reset the timers for me.

Wish he got high, I'd give him a lifetime supply of weed for all he's done. He hasn't smoked since he had some of my stuff I grew 20 years ago, he coined the term "shovel weed:" for that, he said it was like getting hit upside the head with a shovel, hasn't smoked since, said weed got too strong for him to handle. His cousin quit after that long ago night too, he had his fishing poles behind his truck and forgot, when he left he backed over them and kept going, didn't realize it til he got home.I told him the stuff I grow now is "Double Shovel", like simultaneous shovels applied to each side of the head. :rotf:

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[tripps]

Hi folks, thanks for stopping by, everyone. Yes, between trimming, harvesting, and starting the new grow, I've severly neglected my journal. Fighting low RH at the moment, the AC is counterproductive, it keeps the temps lower, but reduces the RH terribly. My plants stalled and looked sickly for 2 weeks, I initially blamed the lights, but I know the setup by now, it didn't make sense. I glanced at my thermometer/humidistat, RH was below 20%. :eek: I added a humidifier and soaked the concrete floor a couple times, at least got it up in the 40s. We had temps in the high 70s earlier this week, but temps are finally cooling off, once the basement air gets colder the AC shouldn't even run, last year my flower room ran 35-40% RH during the winter. Might go home midweek, I'll take some pics and might flip to 12/12 if they're still looking better. EC has been rising a lot the last 2 weeks, from 1.0 to 1.4 both weeks. Probably because the plants aren't growing, so they're just using water, no nutes. The mothers are doing great at .7-.8 EC, wanted to transplant up this weekend but never had the chance.

[Foxy]

Don't worry Bruva, all's well, we can see how busy you are. ;)

Picked up some clones from a friend while I was out of town, managed to keep them alive all week in the motel bathroom

You crazy 'Mirkin's!!!! :rolleyes:

[Mr Burns]

Any recommendations for an EC strength for long term maintanence appreciated, I left them at 1.0 EC, what I was running for reg veg, but I'm not looking for fast growth now, just to hold them til I'm ready for the next batch of clones.

Perhaps Basil and Sanster can chip in too but I imagine the EC you leave the plants at day 1 at is appropriate to the total fluid volume or 'buffer' :shrug:
The larger the total fluid content the more amiable and within the 'happy' zone you could leave your EC tripps. Too smaller fluid content IMO needs too more accurate EC and forecast on evaporation and eating patterns avoiding a lowering volume and concentration, or dilution of nutrients.

You not hooked up that second tank yet buddy?

BTW, good to be back and being able to banter with you fish man :hippy:

[EMj]

Hey Tripps!!
You sure are busy! Those clones looks good there in your hotel:D I am looking forward to your ebb results! I'll be over here handing you tools and greenery! Have a good one!
Peace
EMj

[Foxy]

Perhaps Basil and Sanster can chip in too but I imagine the EC you leave the plants at day 1 at is appropriate to the total fluid volume or 'buffer' :shrug:
The larger the total fluid content the more amiable and within the 'happy' zone you could leave your EC tripps. Too smaller fluid content IMO needs too more accurate EC and forecast on evaporation and eating patterns avoiding a lowering volume and concentration, or dilution of nutrients.

I've only successfuly kept plants at reasonably low tickover by feeding them run-to-waste and not feeding them often. :shrug:

If you're just after more of the maintenance free-ness then I reckon either a dripper setup, E&F or just a self watering pot would be champion, something where they are only just getting what drink they need. I wouldn't personally lower the EC, because I'm thinking you want them to eat good food, but not very often, rather than often eating weak food, because that's what's gonna cause deficiencies. ;)

And of course, just enough light so they don't stretch, but that's all. :D A 2x55w flouro fitting (often called a starbrite or star-wing over here) easily covers one or two reasonable size Mum's.

I keep my Mums in Autopots but I dunno if you can get them? If you can, they are easily the most hassle free things I've used.... I just fill the res once a fortnight and they look after themselves. Once a month I lift the pot out and run tepid water through (in the bath) from the top, for about 10 minutes and I give the valve a shake in some water, but that's it. 2thumbs

[Mr Burns]

I've only successfuly kept plants at reasonably low tickover by feeding them run-to-waste and not feeding them often. :shrug:
But increasing total fluid content is also a worthy factor when looking at circulating systems, such as NFT & F&D. Adding another res by way of plumbing in or ideally having an oversized res in the first place will help give an extended buffer and a happier growing experience in circulating wet systems throughout growing whether away or not, IMO :2cents:

The larger the total fluid content no matter what plants the fluid content is supporting is better IMO, but of course, you don't want it as large that you're dumping expensive nutrients each time you flush the system. Its a balance but not a difficult one. IMO :2cents:

[Foxy]

But increasing total fluid content is also a worthy factor when looking at circulating systems, such as NFT & F&D. Adding another res by way of plumbing in or ideally having an oversized res in the first place will help give an extended buffer and a happier growing experience in circulating wet systems throughout growing whether away or not, IMO :2cents:

I completely and totaly agree with my butt-faced colleague. ;) Bigger res (especially when it comes to unnattended plants), means less hassle. 2thumbs

[tripps]

Burnsy, Foxy, thanks for the good advice. My mothers seem to be doing great at EC .75. ph 5.6. holds steady as can be so far. The Ebb n Grow is the one that keeps rising, I have a spare 55 gal food grade drum, hopefully I'll tie in a second res this weekend. 55 gallons sounds huge, but wit 24 2 gallon pots, it's not, proportionately.

Picked up some new strains from a friend last week, they survived a trip in a private jet, plus a week in the motel bathroom, should be pretty tough plants, LOL. Strains are Cotton Candy, M39 Freeze, and I've momentarily forgotten the third, maybe Ice or Blue Ice. I already posted my motel pic, but you can see them to the right of my moms, which need a transplant to bigger pots this weekend.

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Some flower room shots, they are definitely looking better with the higher RH, last shot shows some leaf crisping from the higher RH, plus a little light bleaching on the plant on the left. Will flip to 12/12 this weekend

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[Mr Burns]

My mothers seem to be doing great at EC .75. ph 5.6. holds steady as can be so far. The Ebb n Grow is the one that keeps rising, I have a spare 55 gal food grade drum, hopefully I'll tie in a second res this weekend. 55 gallons sounds huge, but wit 24 2 gallon pots, it's not, proportionately.

Get that drum connected 2thumbs I reckon just over double the ebb a flow content is ideal tripps Seeing how the current floods are taking nearly all your total fluid content the spikes in EC and PH are gonna be sketchy, or 'spikey'. Increase res = increased buffer = slower PH and EC swings giving you more time to understand or at least contemplate what's going on with the plants, and act accordingly.
I remember how it felt having an issue in my first soil grow. I knew feck all about plant def and in a panic would have the issue posted up in a forum. The agony waiting for someone to reply whilst thoughts of crop loss swamp any rational thoughts can be laughed at now, but my point being the larger the buffer the slower changes happen, be them good or bad and also give you time to act accordingly or at least get advice before it goes to far.

I reckon once that second drum is connected its all gonna come together buddy. BTW, I get raising PH in a too lower EC ;)

So when we gettin some more pics from tripps :shrug:

[tripps]

Hi all, thanks for everyone's help and advice. Burn-ass, it's decieving, due to the displacement of the hydroton, it takes a little less than a quarter of my res to flood. But you and Foxy are 100% correct about larger res being better. Sadly, due to time constraints and the fact that my ultra hard water reduces my RO output way below the rated 100 gallons per day, I didn't get my second res hooked up. But I made a start, a friend's wife works in a candy factory, I have a smaller plastic drum, 25 or 30 gallons, that I managed to fill this weekend, so I have some water to work with for a try next weekend. :D It had super concentrated peppermint flavoring in it apparently, even after a few rinses, whew, my whole basement smelled like peppermint Sunday.

Well, a special thanks to Crazytrain and EMJ, I think (hope) I've solved my sickly Ebb n Grow plants' problem. I've been flooding 4 times a day ( 6 hour intervals), what the manufacturer recommended, and what I first saw posted in another forum. Though my home made table seems to work well on that, Crazy and MJ both recommended 3 hour floods during lights on, a change I made to the Ebb n Grow system Saturday night. Again, the plants moved up a noticable notch in health. I think the low humidity drew water out of the hydroton at too fast a rate, a problem I didn't have in the veg room, which runs at 55-60% RH.

A pic of the mums, finally transplanted up to bigger pots, doing well. You can see my new gift plants on the right, the biggest is Cotton Candy, the 2 smaller are both Strawberry Cough. (I stand corrected :D)

http://www.homegrownbud.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=18489&stc=1&d=1225155782

Funny how many times pictures helped me, when I downloaded the last, looking at it reminded me that I hadn't transplanted the soil plants. So I dutifully went down and did the dirty deed, more to enable them to go longer between waterings (bigger res idea in another form, I guess), than fear of being rootbound. The CC and the larger SC had roots just beginning to circle the bottom of the container, so the timing was good. I think I'll save 1 SC for a mom, and flower the other in soil in the corner of the L in my light pattern that gets plenty of unused light. Refired the 250 MH in my veg room for them, too.

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Here's the flower room, flipped to 12/12 finally. I just didn't want to flip til I had my problem figured out, but whether you can tell from the pics or not, the improvement was dramatic. The additional floods, plus the reduction in the light period, both seem to have helped the RH tremendously. First pic is mostly Rhinos, I LSTed a few, they are a taller, stretchier strain than my others.

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Funny, the missus has never had any interest except smoking, but she'll do small chores midweek for me. Last week I had her water the new soil plants for me, I asked how they looked. She said fine, but the plants in the flower room looked kind of sickly and droopy. If she can notice-:eek:- shows how bad they were.

CNN has Sarah Palin on in the background, it's indescribable how irritating I find her sing-song, condensending, phoney, whiney voice.

[Wonky]

Palin's a goon, And that's a great improvement, I've been lookin' at this system for awhile and am pretty sure its whats I'm going to get but I'm glad I get to see one in use :D

[Mr Burns]

.......a friend's wife works in a candy factory....

You collecting wrappers?

I fuggin love random sentences, snippets of life & wild posts 2thumbs

[CB]

Funny, the missus has never had any interest except smoking,

same here thank god, first time she saw the flower room in late bloom she wanted to feed them all kinds of shizzle lol.... said there die'n look at the leaf's.....

look'n good so far and sound's like ya got some good input on the system and flood time's.

:pass:

[CezarCronic]

Love the way is looking old tripp :D Will be a fun winter for sure bro , don't mind the frizzing outside its hot in there :cool:

[EMj]

Wow Tripps those really did perk up!! That's the nice thing about those systems...you tweak em and bang..you got trees!!! I had a couple issues ironing out mine in the beginning but got em crankin now! It is decieving how much the hydroton displaces....I never thought I could run that many buckets off of 55 gallons! Works like a charm though. I like the idea of the extra res though, can't hurt to add more stability. Are you going to use anything to control the stretch or do you have plenty of room? I use Phosphoload, eliminates the stretch and they flower immediatly. I run it as soon as I flip the switch. Good lookin!!
Peace,
EMj

[tripps]

Yippie! Man, I'm happy, the additional floods and the drop in ambient temps have solved my low RH problems. Temps running about 75 F, RH around 45%. :D Probably the reduction of lights on down to 12 hours helped too. Plants looking great, pics this weekend.

[CB]

great news there bro:D must be nice to have a helper while ya away so much;)

look forward to the new pics


:pass:

[EMj]

Good news Tripps!!:pass: We celebrate!!

HAPPY HALLOWEEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Peace
EMj

[Foxy]

Excellent Matey. ;)

Not sure how ethical it was to change your entire local weather system, just to help your grow, but hell, needs must hey??!

[tripps]

Woop de doo! Well, I pumped out my res and set up my second 55 gallon reservoir this weekend. Real happy, plants are loving it now. Only thing that concerns me, is my original intentions were to grow short, single budsicle plants, which worked out real well in Hempies for me. Having to top them 3 times because I wasn't ready to flower changed that, though. LOL Kinda tight in there now, I may have to do some chicken legging and judicious pruning. Switched to flowering nutes, left the EC a little low at 1.15, inted to bring it up, maybe this weekend, with a first dose of Big Bud (must have got bought out, it no longer says Dr Hornby's on the label). I bet I have the peppermintiest res in town, be funny if it passed on to the weed, but I seriously doubt it.

Due to the theoretical but unlikely(pumps are pretty small) possibility that the main tank could overflow if the 2 tanks didn't balance fast enough, I doubled up my siphon hoses. Could have just gone with a larger hose, but I'm a great believer in using up what you have lying around.

Edit: realized after I posted that the mom tray pic is an old one, too lazy to change it.

Edit #2: I changed it, LOL.

http://www.homegrownbud.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=18668&stc=1&d=1225837955

Moms are really thriving in the veg table. :D Will take the next batch of clones this weekend, start rooting them for the next crop. Really glad I got a Durga Mata mom, I was browsing around the web today, discovered DM was a Paradise Seeds strain, that's a good enough endorsement for me. Actually, I bet the one hanging is ready tonight, we'll see.

http://www.homegrownbud.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=18673&stc=1&d=1225839981

White Rhinos are the only one stretching, I hit them with foliar Bushmaster Saturday, the plants all got an unplanned flush Sunday with straight RO water when the pump cycled before I was done refilling the reservoirs, so I got brave and Bushmastered them again.

http://www.homegrownbud.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=18670&stc=1&d=1225881139

Funny how you get to know your strains. I washed out some of the labeling on a few plants, but I can recognize all but one strain, so I assume those (that I don't recognize) are Dynamite, the only one besides the W Rhino I haven't grown indoors. And there's no mistaking the tall stretchy Rhinos. This one is definitely a White Russian, I'd know that leaf edge curl anywhere. :rotf:
Funny, I worried and fretted and posted pics asking for help, by now I realize it's just a peculiarity of this particular pheno, doesn't hurt a thing.

http://www.homegrownbud.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=18672&stc=1&d=1225881139

Not sure if you can see the difference in the 3 plants in the center of this pic, but they are definitely Nebula, the leaves are a unique green all their own, Kinda pastel, like.

http://www.homegrownbud.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=18671&stc=1&d=1225881139

Well, I got a post up, came home to vote, waiting for my daughters who are coming home from college to vote, then we're all going out to dinner. Should be a nice evening, good to be home. Funny, all the problems I had on this job, and all the worrying, I'm going to finish 2 or 3 weeks early. :rotf: I told my boss not to tell anyone, I need some fuck off time. I can always make him laugh.

[Foxy]

Lovely looking jungle Matey. ;)

Quick question if you don't mind... See the colour of your Mom's in that pic? How do they compare with the colour/shade of your outdoor grow plants?

The colour of your outdoor plants was a real eye-opener for me and I want to use it as a benchmark and aim for it in my indoor grows. :confused

[tripps]

Funny, now that you mention it, they are just about as dark green as the outdoor plants. Probably just a hair on the overnuted side, as the EC tends to rise, but healthy, no tip burn or curl.

[Mr Burns]

Tripps looking great matey :gthumb: How did you flood the syphon tube in the end :shrug:

Another thing I wanted to ask was how does the E&F set up hang with you regarding positives and negatives :shrug: I'd love to know your thoughts since you've taken to water like a duck and at an incredibly short transition.

Gotta love the White Russians buddy and I know what you mean by that leaf edge curl. I never realised it'd be an across the board trait but if I get it too, well needless to say.....

Looking real good buddy 2thumbs

[Freakshow]

Jungle is absolutely correct. Holy crap, Mr Tripps, that's one helluva grow you got. Damn! I'm looking forward to getting my feet wet again this year

[tripps]

Hi, Burnsy, Freak. I love the Ebb n Flow, and my homemade table works great, too. The beauty is you can move pots around. Tonight I'm going to try to move all my stretchy plants under one light. I have a second strain, that Cy named Wild Trip, that is stretching a lot, that I want to locate next to the Rhinos to better manage light distances. Hit the stretchers 4 times in 10 days with foliar Bushmaster, IDK, I don't see much effect, but everyone at my other site seems to love it. :shrug:

Putting together 2 new bubble cloners tonight, and going to take some clones for the next run, should be OK, will give me a month veg. Got my new 2', 2 tube T-5 fixture for the clone shelf. Looks real bright, any suggestions for light distance between the T-5 and clones appreciated, probably start them around 8", I can adjust if I come home during the week.

Seem to have found good EC values, mom veg table holds well at .8, at 1.0 it kept rising. Flower res has held steady 2 full days at EC 1.4. 1.1 and 1.2 kept dropping a couple tenths, first time it's stayed stable.

I'll take a bunch of pics tonight, post them up tomorrow night.

[CezarCronic]

Putting together 2 new bubble cloners tonight, and going to take some clones for the next run, should be OK, will give me a month veg. Got my new 2', 2 tube T-5 fixture for the clone shelf. Looks real bright, any suggestions for light distance between the T-5 and clones appreciated, probably start them around 8", I can adjust if I come home during the week.


Hy there old tripps . good to see you around the grow room ;)

Tripps i have always use fluorescent for clones , 3 x 20w and 5 inches from the clones , i get roots from 5 to 20 days at the most , i also get very high % of rooted clones . most of the time i get them all rooted with no casualty's :D , i wonder went y try Nebula with my cloning style how Much % i 'll get :rolleyes:



Great to see you love the Ebb system bro , looking forward to see how the end there :)

[Mr Burns]

Good to hear you're loving it buddy 2thumbs Does the Mrs need to cast an eye over it whilst you're away, seeing how its all new to you or are you in the comfort zone yet where the system is fully automated and entrusted :shrug:

Without a hint of brown nosing I still find it incredible how fast you took to water :) and without a hint of stress or a flurry of questions and woes either. I really wish you luck with this E&F system matey :gthumb: You deserve it.

[tripps]

Well, dumbest of the dumb, forgot the dome, Misssus is misting, hope I didn't kill them. Meant to do a journal entry, got trashed instead

T-5s have power.

[tripps]

Well, maybe I can sneak in a post today. Made a couple new bubble cloners, like my other, only deeper, about 4" deep as opposed to 2".

http://www.homegrownbud.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=18811&stc=1&d=1226512622

Set it at 10" under my new T-5, later raised it to about 16", more power than I thought.

http://www.homegrownbud.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=18812&stc=1&d=1226512699

Not getting quite the bubble action I expected, probably will pick up another air pump on the way home this Friday so they each get their own.

http://www.homegrownbud.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=18813&stc=1&d=1226512699

Ready to go

http://www.homegrownbud.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=18814&stc=1&d=1226512699

Looks good, right?

http://www.homegrownbud.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=18815&stc=1&d=1226512699

Well, LOL, I left them right like that and went upstairs. I came down a couple hours later, I forgot I had to add a dome on my last run, they were wilted down flat! Rigged a couple half assed domes over them, raised the light, they perked back up a bit, but the dome isn't a good match, the wife's been misting them a few times a day, but she said they didn't looka so good. I have time, if they look like they're not going to make it I can probably take a new batch and rig a better dome system. I'm thinking drill a 1/4 or 1/2 inch extra hole in the lid to act as an automatic mister. Did a couple things different this run just to experiment, didn't clip the leaf ends like I usually do, tried some wilt-pruf instead. Leaving the domes off was too much for them though, if I do over I'll go back to clipping. Also added Nitrozyme to the water, just under the minimum recommended strength, tried just under 1/2 strength in the past and noticed no difference.

[CezarCronic]

Tripps they look awesome , better them the first one and I'm sure they will perform good 2thumbs

[Freakshow]

Nice Tripps. Looks like you have the similar T5 setup. Ebay?

[CB]

just a stoner thought here.... take the line off the back of the stones and put the plugs back in, see if it bubbles more for ya:)


peace :pass:

[CylonBud]

Those cloners look pretty sweet Tripps. Nice work.

[Foxy]

Hey Dude... ;)

I've not heard of people using Nitrozyme as an in-res feed, might try it.... but anyway, I use it as a foliar feed along with Rhizatonic at 1/5th strength, misted directly onto the unrooted clones, once a day.

I don't know if the Nitrozyme actually speeds up rooting but it defnitely keeps them greener for longer.

2thumbs

[tripps]

IDK, CB, can't see how it would make a difference, they're tubed together so I can anchor them, last run the stones were drifting about, plus I figured the tube would help equalize the pressure. Pumps are only $20, think I'll pick one up. We'll see how the clones did, I couldn't get home midweek, wife's not sure how they're doing.

Man, Nebula is good smoke, but as Burnsy would put it, they ain't worth feck-all for cloning. Not only are the clones tough to root, but these are my 2 Nebula moms, still single leafing, I was hard pressed to get 6 good cuttings out of 2 plants. My White Russian mother, on the other hand, gave me 12 good cuts, and I could have taken more.

http://www.homegrownbud.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=18874&stc=1&d=1226674416

A White Russian, I believe, well on her way.

http://www.homegrownbud.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=18875&stc=1&d=1226674471

Darn stretchy White Rhinos

http://www.homegrownbud.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=18873&stc=1&d=1226674471

A Nebula, I think, has that odd pastel green color

http://www.homegrownbud.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=18877&stc=1&d=1226674471

Well, as Socrates (maybe) said, the most important thing a man should know is himself. Probably my 2 most defining characteristics are a lack of patience, and a tendency to go overboard on anything I do. I Bushmastered the Rhinos to try and stop the stretching with a foliar application, didn't seem to be doing much, so I hit them 4 times over 10 days. Seems to have finally stopped them in their tracks, but I got a little clawing, hopefully no permanent harm done.

http://www.homegrownbud.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=18876&stc=1&d=1226674471

[Mr Burns]

I'm so jealous seeing you growing White Russians buddy. Cloning them like you say is easy as pie. I just took 8 from a small 8inch seedling that shown sex and were all quality cuts. Nebula on the other hand, well, lets just say if you're into cloning that ones best left to seed growers, although in feminized form people can still pull perpetual grows :2cents:

Just a thought but that Nebula could be a Russian :confused Its showing the obligatory leaf curl and side shoots but its the lack of the standard Russian red fan leaf stems that has me questioning this opinion.

Hope all is well fella 2thumbs

[tripps]

I think you may be correct, Burnsy. I deliberately didn't keep track of what I was shooting to see if I could identify them later. I knew I had a Nebula pic, so I figured that was the most likely candidate, despite the edge curl, because I had ultra low humidity problems, I thought it might have been a remnant of that. Then I remembered I deleted a couple of out of focus shots, it could have been one of them. I'd really like a decent camera, it was on the aquisitions list, but with the wife getting laid off now I can't really justify it.

Well, the blast of the T-5 did kill those clones in the end, despite Mrs Tripps heroic (heroineoic?) efforts, only a couple Russians (natch) had any remnant of life.

http://www.homegrownbud.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=18932&stc=1&d=1226891462

Well, with some fresh cuts, a couple better fitting domes (split and taped back together at a convenient length), a 16" light distance, a second air pump so they don't have to share, and a heat mat under the containers, we're off again.

http://www.homegrownbud.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=18933&stc=1&d=1226891522

http://www.homegrownbud.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=18934&stc=1&d=1226891522

Hard to believe that the two Strawberry Cough plants on the left are clone sisters, but the one in the foreground was a runt from day one. I didn't take any cuts for this run, and I'm told it's a very light feeder, so I'll run it with my third run. You can see the Cotton Candy has been pretty well stripped for clones on the right. It's early leaves you can see were experiencing some sort of early deficiency, but it sorted itself out so I never researched it. In a hurry as always, I used unamended soil from my harvested outdoor 5 gal buckets, but after a flush and a few waterings with veg nutes, they've straightened out.

http://www.homegrownbud.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=18935&stc=1&d=1226891522

[CB]

best of luck this go around:D

[Mr Burns]

Best of luck with these clones buddy. IMO them loosely fitting lids will do no harm at all. I usually open the vents on mine after 3-4 days to reduce humidity and hopefully induce the cut to source moisture by way of roots, which I think is across the board TBO. Having a little gap you're only bringing it forward to day one but at least you need not worry over too higher moisture content and the dampening off of cuts ;)

So now that you have two domes holding differing aged cuts how do you plan to grow them out?

[Dawg]

Grow is lookin good tripps. :D
As far as the moms...IMO (which isn't a whole lot to go off of..so take it with a grain of salt )
Seems they had some def. starting (some yellowing esp on the right)
I would (if it was me...like i said take my word with a grain of salt)
Get em nice and green then give a shot P or bloom fert few days before taking cuttings. Get the resistance to stress up.
Just a thought.

[tripps]

Hey, guys. Burnsy, they all croaked, they are all new and the same age.

Dawg, if you're talking the soil plants, one's looking good, a little pale, one's been chopped of every possible clone, even the top in the picture, cuz I missed a hole. (woulda never happened back in the day LOL), and the other is real pale, but a runt, as I said I reused old, unflushed soil, a sin I knew full well I was commiting. I'm cautious of doing too much too quick. Though I started in soil, I never felt I mastered it. Unlike my Hempy and Hydro experiences to date , everything I did to fix problems always seemed to make it worse. :( I'm going to see how they look Wednesday, but thanks for the advice, if they're not improving that's probably what I'll do. :2thumbs:

Well, the flower room. Like life, you rarely get the grow you planned, you get the grow you get. Topping them 3 times before flowering produced a way denser jungle than I wanted. I did a bit of chickenlegging/undergrowth trimming, but I'm not experienced at it, not sure how far to go. Maybe I should have done it earlier, but now with all those little baby buds forming, shucks, I just ain't got the heart.

One extreme to another, from RH below 20%, now I crept up through the 70s, hit 78% RH Sunday night, so I moved the damn dehumidifier in there, let the AC fight the waste heat, let the best man win. Actually my temps were low, with 2200w, believe it or not, Burnsy definitely taught his student extraction. 1000cfm in a 250 cubic foot room, I was only averaging 68-70 F . Fiddled with it all, should be running about 75-77 F now, RH was down to 50% when I left Monday morning.

Learned a compatability thing or two, no damn Rhinos on the next run, besides the stretch, the Rhinos, with the tall tops bent over now, are showing overnuting, but feck 'em.

http://www.homegrownbud.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=18955&stc=1&d=1226970971

This one I think is the one Cy named Wild Trip, the couple I have are showing great promise, they looked similar to the Rhino in their sativa characteristics outside, but inside, though they stretched some, they look to be packing on bigger buds earlier than anything. Go figure.

http://www.homegrownbud.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=18956&stc=1&d=1226970971

My poor little Nebulas had the bad luck to live next to the Rhinos, but being in the corner of an L it worked out better than it might have, as though they are low, they get spillage from 3 lights, plus a 46w CFL I set up to hit them from the other unlit side. Paradise claims they are "mostly sativa", which seems crazy by what I know of them so far, but I noticed in this pic they do have thinner leaves. Not an ounce of stretch in them though, they just stop dead when they start flower. Odd Ducks.

http://www.homegrownbud.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=18958&stc=1&d=1226972420

A Dynamite, I think, by default. A pretty fast strain, I think, only grown outside by myself so far.

http://www.homegrownbud.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=18957&stc=1&d=1226970971

[CezarCronic]

They look very good man ;) no room to move around in there , looks crowded :eek:

Sorry about the clones man , remember one thin is very important Bro humidity has to be over 75% to 80% and the dome close for those clones to stay green until roots appear :)

[Mr Burns]

....Paradise claims they (Nebula) are "mostly sativa", which seems crazy by what I know of them so far....Not an ounce of stretch in them, they just stop dead when they start flower. Odd Ducks.
That's what struck me with them and I think I mentioned it at the time. Great for a grow space with limited height cause you really can control the stretch by observing them over switching to 12/12 maximizing limited head room. I think mine stretched 10-12 inches after 5-10 days veg :confused

What a bastard about the clones buddy and I'm really sorry to hear it. That's one area I haven't built myself although I know a lot of people have great success with home made cloners. Have you considered an off the shelf variety :shrug: I was thinking that it would give you some peace of mind when away in the fact that you won't be biting your cheek on whether you did this or that right, or if you should have changed something. I'm only thinking of your sanity here buddy. Ooops forgot, insanity :p

I doubt you have but I wanted to ask if you have an oscillating fan in that room the clones are in :shrug: I was thinking that a room fan along with mis-fitting domes would dry the clones out in no time, but I'm pre guessing you're on the ball with that one ;)

Thinking about these domes pre-submit post........ :hmmmm: How about cutting a frame that would sit on the tote and support the dome? Using some foam strip draught excluder on both the tote and dome edge would maintain RH :shrug: I know its not ideal but I'm thinking on how to get max humidity in there with what you've built so you can maintain grow schedules for now and think more when you have less to think about!

Let me know your thoughts buddy and BTW, nice pics :)

[tripps]

Thanks, Burnsy. My RH in my veg room averages 35%, otherwise, if I was home, I wouldn't necessarily use a dome. My earlier run I just put a dome on for a couple days, theoretically you shouldn't need a dome with a bubble cloner, really I think having the wife spray them every day was detrimental, but when you're not there, :shrug: They are very open domes, if you look, open at all 4 corners, I think they shield them somewhat from the T-5, at 16" is probably still too strong, really impressed by their power, again. I wouldn't buy one I don't think, I'm not cheap, but some things you can build just as good as store bought for 1/10 the price.

Funny, I've had 2 friends on the boards PM me that aero cloners work much better, you know me , upward and onward, probably be my next project. BTW, went back to what worked , no wilt pruf, and clipped the leaves. And diluted the Nitrozyme mix by 1/2.

PS- I do remember you mentioning the lack of Nebula stretch.

[Mr Burns]

... theoretically you shouldn't need a dome with a bubble cloner...

mmmmm I'd be concerned over that advice buddy :confused
With cloning in conventional soil or rockwool you need to spray the inside of the dome to maintain humidity. The way I see it with bubble and aero cloners is the very nature that there's RH being generated means it doesn't need spraying but relies on the generated humidity being trapped in the dome to keep the green matter moist. This is why I was suggesting a tighter mating surface between the ill fitting domes and cloners. I really think the problem is lack of humidity or although I don't know how often they were sprayed or having more knowledge on the situation, over spraying.

I truly believe if you get that dome fitting better and keep it on for a week you'll get better results. I normally open dome vents after 4 days to promote root growth but you still get a good humidity level because the humidity sinks, opening the vents lowers the humidity but more importantly lowers temps and gets things more comfortable, IMO :2cents:

To sum it up you want to create a 'micro climate' so the system will work in any room, be that room containing room fans or not. A good dome fitting is needless to say an essential part of a micro climate buddy.

Buy an off the shelf product or a larger and deeper seed tray that comes with a moulded plastic dome and try that route :shrug:

Sorry to beat on home about this dome thing buddy but I truly think that this is the problem and hate to see you getting a knock back when you're so enthusiastic about everything else :hippy:

[tripps]

Appreciate the advice, Brother B, really, but my theory is less is more, even with RH. Here they are after 5 days, no misting at all. I really just fried them with the light the first time. I doubled the light distance, from 9 or 10" to 16 or 18". I used regular t-12 flouros in the past, 2" above plants, but this T-5 is an entirely different creature, I see. If I wasn't away I'd probably take the domes off at this point, but I'm erring on the side of caution now. No roots yet, but when I come back Friday night I bet I see some. :) Wife is coming back with me for a couple days, we are to see The Horseflies tomorrow night, a band I've been a fan of for 15 years but never seen, happen to be from that area. Lotsa good candy for the concert, we're going to cab it tomorrow night and paint the old town.

PS- an important factor is the air pushes water through the plugs, on one to the point that it dripped on the floor, I drilled a 1/4" hole in the lid to relieve the pressure, so this maintains real high RH, I imagine.

Ec steady at .8 in the veg room, flower rose from 1.4 to 1.5, as it also did over the weekend, so I added sufficient water to bring it down to 1.3.

http://www.homegrownbud.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=18974&stc=1&d=1227133209

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[Foxy]

I used and loved an EZ Cloner until I couldn't use it anymore (too noisy) and they don't use domes or covers, they're not even available, but I only ever used it in a closed cab, so Burnarse could well be right? :shrug: What a thought. :eek:

I can't remember too much now but I can't think of any additives that made a difference to rooting times in that Cloner... :confused: I do know that I had to use a water chiller during the summer though, otherwise they'd take 2 weeks or more to root.

I'm sure you'll get your bubble cloner singing Dude. ;)