Bushmasterers wanted :)

[Shadows]

Please, some one who has used this additive and swears by it, please tell me what it is that you find so appealing about the stuff?
What benefit do you get from chemically haulting upward growth as apposed to just training the apic down?

[tripps]

Rip over at GC swears by it, but IDK why you would want to use it, myself, like you said, why not LST or something similar? :shrug:

[Shadows]

There's a bit of info over there (GC) about it. Seems its supposed to speed up the flowering time as well as stop the stretch in its tracks. Im sure for some indoor guys this can be a bonus. I personally have tried different light schedules at the start of flowering and through out (10on 14off) and found that , that alone can speed up flowering by 2 weeks if done from the start of flower cycle and the stretch is much less. BUT that directly affected the yield of the plants and Id suggest that even the buzz was affected.

IMO, there just is no substitute for a properly grown plant. No additives, no pumping up the PK or craziness like that. Sure, I've used cytokinin to boost secondary branching for more budsites, but thats the only thing I've used and ya know what?? I found that proper transplanting procedures and timing will do exactly the same thing, without the worry of throwing the plants hormones out of balance. Takes a day or 2 more, but the end result is the same except that the transplant gets the roots going and that calls out for more secondaries, where as cyto tricks the plants into thinking the root system is huge and can support more secondaries - then after the trick the roots need to catch up....

[Fing_57]

where as cyto tricks the plants into thinking the root system is huge and can support more secondaries - then after the trick the roots need to catch up....

you're giving your plant a growth regulator that makes it grow ........ but you DONT want it to grow?

Cytochinins promote cell division and cell enlongation

[Nichiren]

damn reading the title I thought it was about a venomus snake

http://www.homegrownbud.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=16273&stc=1&d=1216155267

[Mr Burns]

I once went out with a girl who I think used this 'Bushmaster'.
Bought her a girlie razor and she finished with me :(

[CylonBud]

I once went out with a girl who I think used this 'Bushmaster'.
Bought her a girlie razor and she finished with me :(

I guess she wasn't the gorilla of your dreams after all Burnsy! :D

[Shadows]

where as cyto tricks the plants into thinking the root system is huge and can support more secondaries - then after the trick the roots need to catch up....

you're giving your plant a growth regulator that makes it grow ........ but you DONT want it to grow?

Cytochinins promote cell division and cell enlongation

No, I do want it to grow. How it boils down is like so, roots grow and produce cytokinin, thus more roots more cyto. This moves through the plant and stimulates growth of the apic and of the secondaries. In addition, the apic and secondaries produce Auxins, as they grow they produce more. Auxins stimulate root growth. There is a balance within the plant.

When Cyto is added like I did, the plant thinks the root system is larger because of the amount of cyto. So it grows the apic and secondaries more to keep the balance, which in turn create more auxin. Auxins stimulate more roots to grow to keep up with the cyto amount. Now the upward growth has to slow a little because the cyto you added is used up and the root system is not as large as the rest of the plant thought. Its been tricked.

By transplanting up, Im allowing the plant to search out more water and expand its root system, then naturally expand its canopy to match. Root to Shoot ratio I believe it is called, refers to most of this cycle.

[Fing_57]

Cylochinins/Auxins/Gibberellins are growth regulators found in Seaweed/Kelp/Maxicrop

it promotes faster growing

I'm lost as to your prob is then :o

[Dawg]

For micro growers is where i see a lot of it used. DLtoker who used to post here used it and loved it for micro SOGs. I try to not use stuff like that myslef...esp. how much $$ it is.
Don't know much else about it.

[Shadows]

Cylochinins/Auxins/Gibberellins are growth regulators found in Seaweed/Kelp/Maxicrop

it promotes faster growing

I'm lost as to your prob is then :o

No problem bro with cyto/cylo, or any of the other growth regulators. I was only pointing out my experience with the one and that while it did bush a plant out when used, the plant still needs to grow the roots to support whats up top.
Potting up gives the same burst of growth to the secondaries, but the root system is already big enough to support that growth, so theres no real burst then a pause like I'd see in a cyto'd plant.

But this all distracts from the start of this thread, Bushmaster. Does not seem to be many users of it here:)

[suougibma]

I find BM to keep the internodal spacing short. In short it keeps them from getting lanky and more bush like (hence the name).

[Fing_57]

Does not seem to be many users of it here


only Bushmaster I know of uses a .223

a link would help to see what your even talking about ..... or why would want you use it

[tripps]

I just used it outdoors, trying to trigger/shorten flowering in some outdoor plants not really suited to the climate here, first time for me. Probably wouldn't use it indoors, though, rather LST, myself. I'll see how it works and report back.

[CylonBud]

I know it made them stop growing up and made them bush outward but will it trigger flower? :hmmmm:

[suougibma]

I know it made them stop growing up and made them bush outward but will it trigger flower? :hmmmm:

It won't (sort of)... I have used it many times and keep using it. I find the light intensity in my veg shed is too low for natural bushiness. Without BM they get internodal space from 4-5 inches. With BM this is shortened to .5-1 inches. I find it won't induce flowering itself but if used right before placing in the flowering room they seem to throw initial flowers in 5-7 days rather than 10-14days IME.

[tripps]

Well, they did start flowering, but was it the BM, or would they have flowered anyway? :shrug:

[suougibma]

It's the BM before starting the 12/12 phase.

I tested this recently. I ran out of BM and thought I would forget about this time and see if it does make a difference (I did use it early on to shrub them out but not prior to induction). It took 10-12 days for them all to start (some sooner than others) on that set and 5 days for the previous set who got 3 full doses of BM (one 4 weeks prior to flowering, one 2 weeks prior and one right before). Since my day count starts the day they move I think I'll keep using it (I think I may need to let my most recent set go for an extra week :( ). I like my monthly harvests and it helps shave a few days off the whole process IME.

[tripps]

Good, cuz even 5 days could make all the diff in the world, here, outdoors.

[suougibma]

I don't have the property or access to do some outdoor so I am not sure if it will help. Since you have the experience in outdoor timing as it relates to your strains (I assume you have grown in the area your are growing before) I would try using it 2 weeks prior to when you think the first flowers should appear and hope that they appear a week sooner... The stuff isn't too expensive to test its effectiveness (~$25/bottle = ~25gal of mix).

[CylonBud]

You should have at least 10-12 weeks before a killing frost sets here tripps so the BM may have helped to get the White Russians flowering a week or so early. I wonder if those bud-xl and big-bud type products will help speed the start of the flowering process up? Maybe a combo of the BM and Bud-xl together could do it. :hmmmm:

[tripps]

Cy, Bud, I'd say Oct 15 is at best a 50-50 bet for frost, that's less than 8 weeks away. year before last we got 36" of snow on Oct 13th.

[suougibma]

Cy, Bud, I'd say Oct 15 is at best a 50-50 bet for frost, that's less than 8 weeks away. year before last we got 36" of snow on Oct 13th.

Ouch!

Have they started flowering?

The H&G product Bud-XL is for helping delivery sugars out of the large bracts into the small ones in the bud so they develop faster.

Top shooter claims to make the plants perceive a drought which induces more intense flower production.

Shooting powder induces a second flowering phase when you want it to (Ideally 3 weeks prior to harvest).

Their schedule has you giving Bud-XL from weeks 4-8
Top shooter for 3-4 days on week 4
Shooting power weeks 6-8

I think its worth the cost and I am admittedly stingy:cash::cash::cash:.

[tripps]

Yes, most a week ago, I should be OK cause I'm in a 3 sided pen against a barn. I can cover with plastic for one night, or build a temporary greenhouse in under an hour that would prob last a few weeks.

[CylonBud]

Cy, Bud, I'd say Oct 15 is at best a 50-50 bet for frost, that's less than 8 weeks away. year before last we got 36" of snow on Oct 13th.

Yeah that did happen but it was a freak storm. I also get a week or two longer before hard frost comes being closer to the lake and a lower elevation usually. That said where your grow is where you know best the frost times. I'll be glad to help ya cover them at that time when it comes. :D

[suougibma]

Yes, most a week ago, I should be OK cause I'm in a 3 sided pen against a barn. I can cover with plastic for one night, or build a temporary greenhouse in under an hour that would prob last a few weeks.

Good deal