What's Your NFT Pleasure?

[Foxy]

'Ello me darlin's!

Welcome, welcome, one and all. ;)

Since I've had such a warm welcome from everyone here and also since I don't really know what floats your boat, I've decided to let you gorgeous guys and gals decide which grow I'm going to journal. 2thumbs

I normally grow only two strains, Apollo 11 and Chronic, but I've recently moved and because of bad timing (mine and life's) I've been left without any clones to grow when I moved in, so I quickly bought some seeds from the Doc and germinated them. These germed seeds are what's going to be the basis of this journal. :rockon:

Your choices are:

27 x KC Brains - KC36.

More production for every square meter! Parents of this success product are kept secret. K.C.36 is a short, stocky plant that produces giant buds and is very productive. A true THC bomb

Breeder: KC Brains
Origin: Holland
Indoor / Outdoor
Flowering: 40-60 days

There's reportedly huge variations in this strain from the packet, some normal 55 dayers which produce average bud, to some rare 42 dayers that do what it suggests on the tin, as in produce big-time! Rememebr, I only need to find ONE! A great incentive for me was they were very cheap, so I bought 30. ;) 27 have ended sprouting. If you guys and gals choose this one for me to journal, I'll be growing them on 4 x 5ftx3ft NFT trays with 2.4kw of loveliness shining down. :sunny:

http://www.homegrownbud.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=16064&stc=1&d=1215221915

OR:

13 x EVA seeds - Papas Candy

Crossing between a plant from Laos of very powerful effect and the most beautiful and white Pakistani. The result of this crossing has a rather low, very robust plant, with buds super compact and completely WHITE, cause the tricomas accumulated. Her flavor is sweet and lightly aniseed-flavoured, suitablly for the most demanding palates, and that fills all the senses of an unmistakable aroma. The effect is very fast and sweeping, very indical and medicinal. In outdoor growing, is necessary to check excesses of dampness cause the thickness of the buds is really impressive.

Production: Medium.
Type: Int/Ext.
Flowering: 45-55 days.
Flowering ext.: Middle October.

I can't find anyone that's grown or smoked this, or even sniffed it, so I'm quite excited! :bananna: It's a fem seed, so I don't think it will be as much as a gamble as the KC 36 but again, I'm hoping to find a very quick flowering pheno. ;) I killed a few seedlings (my own fault) so I have 13 of these femmed young ladies. If you guys and gals choose this one for me to journal, I'll be growing them on 1 x 5ftx3ft NFT tray with 600wof loveliness shining down. :sunny:

http://www.homegrownbud.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=16065&stc=1&d=1215221915

So Gang, it's up to you.... Do you wanna see the KC36 which will be a bigger grow but a bigger gamble, or the Papas Candy which will be a smaller grow but hopefully packed to the rafters???.... :shrug:

YOU DECIDE...

PS. female members votes count double. 2thumbs

[tripps]

Ohh, you saved shotgun for me buddy, nice riding up front.

Well, I don't know either strain, but I love sweet smelling smoke, so I'm voting for the Pappas Candy. Oh, and I'm trisexual, do I get 3 votes?

[CylonBud]

I vote for papa's candy. I have a thing for Asian ladies.:D

[CB]

myself i would toss the female seed one's if you plan to breed.... so would like to see the KC36 grow :D

[CezarCronic]

Hey foxy great stuff man , i like my self Eva's Papas candy i was going to order that one from the doc too man , some time if i get my final order here complete :rolleyes: .

Will be checking out your progress ;) , maybe i grab a big chair and rool a few fat ones to relax watching your great work :D

[Dawg]

myself i would toss the female seed one's if you plan to breed....
:gthumb:

[Mr Burns]

.....some normal 55 dayers which produce average bud, to some rare 42 dayers that do what it suggests on the tin, as in produce big-time! Rememebr, I only need to find ONE! A great incentive for me was they were very cheap[/I]

The possibility of a 42 day'er and within everyone's budget :shrug: Sounds like a KC yes brainer to me :D

Shall we... can we..... :cool1:

[midwestbluntman]

why not both,seems how you all ready have them started?does that make me greedy,lol,I think 40 would be more fun to watch then 13 or 27.variaty is the spice of life.

[CylonBud]

why not both,seems how you all ready have them started?does that make me greedy,lol,I think 40 would be more fun to watch then 13 or 27.variaty is the spice of life.

I Agree. I'm greedy too. ;)

[Foxy]

Thanks for your interest everyone. 2thumbs

why not both,seems how you all ready have them started?

I like your style Bruva but I can only grow one of them I'm afraid, the others will be grown somewhere else, by someone else. ;)

They're all showing small roots through the big blocks now, so a couple more days for those small roots to be big enough to progress to the trays and we're off. If it's a draw by the time they're ready to go in I'll toss a coin! ;)

So far....

Pappas Candy

tripps
CylonBud
CezarCronic

KC36

CB
Dawg
Mr Burns

[CezarCronic]

Hey Foxy I have an extra Finger can that count for another Vote ??:halol:

[taffy]

Can i vote for the KC36? I like the sound of those meself...

[Mr Burns]

Hey Foxy I have an extra Finger....
You're not supposed to drink the nutrients :slap:

[Foxy]

Hey Foxy I have an extra Finger can that count for another Vote ??
'Fraid not Cezar, but you do earn points for originality. 2thumbs

I've checked them and they now all have medium sized roots showing except one freaky runt Pappas Candy, so a day, maybe two off, so you still have time to get your say. ;)

http://www.homegrownbud.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=16116&stc=1&d=1215388284

taffy nudges the KC36 in front. ;)

So far....

Pappas Candy

tripps
CylonBud
CezarCronic

KC36

CB
Dawg
Mr Burns
taffy

[Mr Burns]

I like taffy :rastab:

[taffy]

Hey Foxy I have an extra Finger....
You're not supposed to drink the nutrients :slap:

Thats funny that is mate :}}

Go on Foxy, get them KC36 in man!!

Ooh, i like you too Burnsy, i can't find the group hug icon tho'.just as well 'eh?.. sorry chaps, taffy aint so hot with all these thanks' buttons, icons and stuff.

Off on hols this Monday, maybe i'll take a few shots of me dripper setup i am yet to set up :} going to do a burnsy and leave 'em for nearly three weeks...

Nice one!

taffy

[Mr Burns]

Off on hols this Monday, maybe i'll take a few shots of me dripper setup i am yet to set up :} going to do a burnsy and leave 'em for nearly three weeks...

:eek: I take no responsibility for the growth when you return :p

Come on Foxy. What's happening mahhhhhhn....

[Foxy]

BETTING ENDS!

http://www.homegrownbud.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=16200&stc=1&d=1215789279

KC36 wins! 2thumbs

I've just got back from the hydro shop with 4 new trays and bulbs, so I've just gotta finish building/setting up the room and we'll be away! I'm hoping to fire up on Sunday.... fingers crossed. ;)

[Mr Burns]

Super news. How are they in veg?

[larfin1]

oh bugger i was just about to vote for Pappas Candy. After a moments research i like the look of them buds. Nevermind i will enjoy the GJ you choose anyway.

[Foxy]

Sorry for the delay Gang, I was struggling to setup a new exhaust system to come in under 50db(C) but I think I've cracked it now... I'll post up the detail of that later on. ;)

I've just got to set up the intake (same as I've used before so I know how to get it right ;) ), hang the lights and rig up the drippers to the trays. :D I'm hoping to have it all done and the plants in their new home by the end of tomorrow... he says... :blah:

Super news. How are they in veg?

Well I don't really have a pre-veg area like you Burnside (I'm too poor :cry: ), so all I can tell so far is how they are doing in their "holding" area... I've attached pics so you can see but they do look odd to say the least, no side-branching, just thick, long stems. :shrug:

The same as many other strains though, you might find a pheno that from seed is dead straight with very little side-branching, but when you take a clone from the smallest side branch then the Mum you make from that clone (and all clones you take from her, from then on) can be a bushy focker, losing that one-cola trait you wanted in the first place. :slap:

oh bugger i was just about to vote for Pappas Candy.

No probs fella, if it's any good I'll journal it next. The mate who's growing it is a decent grower, so I'll let 'em find the best pheno of the bunch and give me some clips back of the Champion. 2thumbs

[larfin1]

oh bugger i was just about to vote for Pappas Candy.

No probs fella, if it's any good I'll journal it next. The mate who's growing it is a decent grower, so I'll let 'em find the best pheno of the bunch and give me some clips back of the Champion. 2thumbs


Sounds good 2thumbs

[Foxy]

Evening Gang, 2thumbs

I bet some of you started to think I didn't even have a grow and I was bullsh*tting!!!... :D I wasn't sure at times me'self.

It's taken a me a disgusting 5 months to get this room growing, it's just been a rack of disappointments, one after the other. :mad: One thing that you'll see is a common theme with me is I want my grow rooms to be truly silent... which of course is not actually possible.... but I insist on keeping to try. :shrug: I live in an area that's very noisy during the day but deadly quiet at night and I don't want my neighbours hearing a thing. ;)

I've got the actual NFT system silent, I'll show you how at some point, but it's the focking ventilation, in fact just the exhaust that's taken so long to sort. :slap: I use 200m3/h per 600w bulb as a general rule so allowing for the clone and mother tent that's in this same room I aimed for 1000m3/h exhaust. That's a 10" fan at least, so I started with a 12" fan with the view to turn it down (getting a fan that's one-size too big and turning it down with a decent speed controller is quieter than getting the right size fan and running it on full) BUT FOCK ME that thing was noisy!!! :wow:

Anyway, cutting out all the middle ball-ache, I've now got an 8" exhaust fan that's just over 750m3/h, so I'll just have to see if it copes... :shrug: It's an acoustic fan, but I'm going to encase it in another sound dampening box using acoustic foam. If I can get it to mid-forties decibels than that's fine, I'll leave it at that. He says. :D

So after 5 months of faffing around with exhaust fans, in 4 days I got to this point this morning!!:

http://www.homegrownbud.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=16313&stc=1&d=1216337982

You wouldn't believe how happy I was to see the water running, I could see the end in sight!!! :happy:

The rest of the day went ok, and half of the room is now running as you can see in the pics. Once I've finished typing this up I'm gonna put together the shades for the other half, which will go in tomorrow. I'm a ballast short of the four, and I'm not happy how noisy my current ballasts are, so I'm gonna try and source some quieter ones. If anyone knows of any really quiet (non-humming non-vibrating) ones in the UK let me know??!

I also want to make the gradient of the trays shallower, as in I think they're too steep at the moment. I'll have to work out what I can use. :confused

That's it for now I guess, tomorrow or Saturday will be day 1 of veg. :peaceman:

Any questions, ask away. 2thumbs Don't be shy or I'll get lonely... :o

[Foxy]

After reading and ringing around it looks like the only truly hum free ballasts are digital/electronic. :eek:

There's a shop a few miles from me who have one they'll lend me to try.... If I like it they're selling them for £90, which sounds a bit cheap to me for an electronic ballast... :confused They reckon it's decently RF shielded though and they were honest enough to say that there was still small inteference within 1ft around the ballast and 3ft around the bulb but the interference no longer travels through floors and walls like it used to. :slap:

For a free trial, I'd be mad not to give it a go so I'll pick it up tomorrow morning. ;)

[Shadows]

After reading and ringing around it looks like the only truly hum free ballasts are digital/electronic. :eek:

There's a shop a few miles from me who have one they'll lend me to try.... If I like it they're selling them for £90, which sounds a bit cheap to me for an electronic ballast... :confused They reckon it's decently RF shielded though and they were honest enough to say that there was still small inteference within 1ft around the ballast and 3ft around the bulb but the interference no longer travels through floors and walls like it used to. :slap:

For a free trial, I'd be mad not to give it a go so I'll pick it up tomorrow morning. ;)

Very cool foxy one. Any chance you have a lumen or light meter around?
I've heard the digital ballast can make the bulb brighter as well and just curious to that claim.
The interference is also an interest to me, with all cable in the US going to digital next year, I'll have a digital converter box within 2' of the ballast and bulb.:eek:

sorry to hear the ventilation probs bro. Sound is one of the biggest things I fight and that 400w ballast is pushing my limits on noise. Its there, I know it, can hear that buzz when I enter the room if everything else is shut down. Im just plum out of ideas to contain it. can only time the lights so its not a huge issue.

[tripps]

90 pounds did sound cheap at first, til I remembered how far the once mighty dollar has fallen. :( I have a couple 600w Digital Greenhouse from HTG supply, $200, running 6 months, no problems, quiet and cool, no noticable interference.

[San]

Hello mate,

Reading you vent woes.... I reckon you left a lot out between a 12" and an 8", I bet there were a few scratchy head moments in the middle of that!:eek: fuggin nightmare. Couldn't you just copy the first rig?

Digital ballasts can be confused with electronic ballasts ;) Difference being digital have a brain/microprocessor which monitors the input and output voltage to the bulb, maximises efficiency and bulb life. Electronic ballasts share similar components but don't have the brain, so can't monitor the bulb, or maximise efficiency, they run on factory set voltage/ampage ;) Just to further confuse matters :rolleyes: I wouldn't like to say which is quieter, I've only coo'd and ahh'd at em when I played with a few back when they first come out, but you can probably say the brain helps or it wouldn't justify the extra dosh ;)

I like the hanging spreader mat to prevent dripp/running water noises 2thumbs simple yet effective, I know somone who also hangs tapes off the emmitor pipes to quieten down the incoming water too! marvelous :D

Looking good so far!

San:smokin:

[Mr Burns]

I've been hanging the matt down into the res the last 3 or 4 grows and it does make a difference. Not sure about putting it on the emitters though? I use taps (not sure if you got em Foxy) and if you set the tap at two thirds it thrashes the water onto the tray inducing a small amount of air. It may be a small amount but at least its right at the root zone.

As for ballasts what about maxibright resin encapsulated ballasts? I paid less than £50/$100 a pop for 600s. I liked the fact they're resin encapsulated for removing 6 fire hazards, besides being quiet. They even come with a slide out hanging hook :)
Unless you go digital that's your only option IMO farty pants.

So what's with balancing the trays on an assortment of boxes :shrug:
If that's two trays draining into a central res I have an idea..... come closer :)
Get yourself three standard 'over bath' clothes airers from woolworths. Place one in the middle with its legs spread either side of the res thus supporting the lower end of the trays. Then one each end supporting the top ends of the trays, but you can adjust the width the legs sit apart making the top tray end higher or lower :D
At least then you can play with the angle of attack and get it... just wroit :)

How much veg you going with farty pants?

[Foxy]

So much to post, so little time... :( Replies first. ;)

Any chance you have a lumen or light meter around?
Sorry Bro no, that's one thing I've been looking for, for a while now... a decent one at a reasonable price. There's a grow shop here who have started saying (as in on their site and in their brochure) that the Grolux bulbs I use should be changed every grow because they lose so much power so quickly. I'd love to know if it was just them trying to sell more bulbs. Only way is to measure it myself. :confused

The interference is also an interest to me, with all cable in the US going to digital next year, I'll have a digital converter box within 2' of the ballast and bulb. :eek:
Well, I've tried this one and there is definitely an area around the bulb and the ballast that creates a disruptive field.. The remote for the stereo I have in the room for instance, does not work when the bulb or ballast is within a couple of feet, or between the stereo and remote. It didn't disrupt the tv (sat or analogue) in the next room, nor did it muck up the fm radio reception. 2thumbs

Sound is one of the biggest things I fight and that 400w ballast is pushing my limits on noise. Im just plum out of ideas to contain it. can only time the lights so its not a huge issue.

This is a bit of a dissapointment with this ballast:

http://www.homegrownbud.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=16379&stc=1&d=1216604869

It's a got a computer fan in it, so it's not silent. :slap: I'm not sure why the guy in the shop said it was silent when I spoke to him on the phone, knowing I was gonna come and get it, so I WAS gonna find out! :shrug: It's not too bad a noise, the good thing being it's only a small fan and it's not a bassy sound nor does the ballast vibrate one little bit, which is actually my main bug-bear with magnetic ballasts. I've tried mounting them on foam, anti-vibration mounts and springs, and they still buzz away. :mad:

The guy in the shop was a nobber actually, he was doing well (first time I'd met him) till he showed me the fan in the side, but I thought I'd let him off that. Then, guess what he said.... :slap: "And of course, these use 40% less electricity". Tosser. :laugh: I thought for a few seconds about asking if he was trying to take the piss outta me but then I realised that he was lending it too me for free and I reckon he honestly believed that was true. :shrug:

The other thing that I was trying to get away from is the shatting hot temps from magnetic ballasts, so to try and test them fairly I turned them on (both were with a brand new grolux bulb and same reflector) and left them on for 2 hours.

First the mag ballast:

http://www.homegrownbud.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=16383&stc=1&d=1216606016

http://www.homegrownbud.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=16385&stc=1&d=1216606016

Now the digital one:

http://www.homegrownbud.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=16382&stc=1&d=1216606016

So it did settle down (after starting up at 100w) after about 2 mins using 20 less watts than the mag ballast, but 1. It ain't 40% less!! and 2. I've no idea if it's just powering the bulb less without a light meter.

And then... 3. The bulb makes some proper scary noises as it's heating up and even when fully hot it makes a high pitch whistle/whine. I'm gonna check tomorrow if that's normal :shrug: And of course 4. It ain't silent with that little fan whirring away.:mad:

Plus things are, it's very light, 2.25kg (i weighed it :D ), it's small, no vibration, and runs cool-ish.


90 pounds did sound cheap at first, til I remembered how far the once mighty dollar has fallen. :( I have a couple 600w Digital Greenhouse from HTG supply, $200, running 6 months, no problems, quiet and cool, no noticable interference.

I'm starting to think you get what you pay for tripps, your ones and the ones here that are £150-£170 sound like the dogs bollocks, the one above is obviously a real budget one. ;)

[Foxy]

San... :confused ....now I know you don't I?!? :p

Reading you vent woes.... I reckon you left a lot out between a 12" and an 8", I bet there were a few scratchy head moments in the middle of that!:eek: fuggin nightmare. Couldn't you just copy the first rig?

Man, I don't mind admitting that there was a few head-in hands moments too, where I thought I'd never sort it. :o This one's more lighting so it had to be more powerful than the other one, but I'm starting to think that a smaller exhaust may be enough.

I'm hesitant to say it but I still ain't happy with the exhaust! :( I think either this 8" FAS fan isn't great acoustic-wise (so replace it) or I'm gonna try putting a 6" or 7" Ruck up there and see how that works out. That'll be better matched to the 6" intake too, 'cause there's too much negative pressure in the room at the moment... It's tough to close the door! :laugh:

Digital ballasts can be confused with electronic ballasts ;) Difference being digital have a brain/microprocessor which monitors the input and output voltage to the bulb, maximises efficiency and bulb life.

You really know some crap eh matey!?!? :D This one says it's digital... I dunno if I believe it, I've no reason not to... :shrug: This actual model isn't on Techone's website, but all their other ballast specs say yes, it ups and downs the power to the bulb appropriate to age etc.

http://www.homegrownbud.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=16388&stc=1&d=1216608396


I like the hanging spreader mat to prevent dripp/running water noises 2thumbs simple yet effective, I know somone who also hangs tapes off the emmitor pipes to quieten down the incoming water too! marvelous :D


It works well mate. 2thumbs I love going in the room and not being able to hear a thing... This grow, to cut out the noise from the dripper heads I tried adding pieces of pipe to deliver the water right onto the tray surface...

http://www.homegrownbud.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=16386&stc=1&d=1216608396

It got rid of all noise but it also restricted the water flow slightly so I've gone back to my normal way, aquarium sponge ;) :

http://www.homegrownbud.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=16387&d=1216608389

Not silent, but very close to. 2thumbs

Good to see you fella. ;)

[Foxy]

I use taps (not sure if you got em Foxy) and if you set the tap at two thirds it thrashes the water onto the tray inducing a small amount of air.

I've still got that link for your taps matey and I know they work well for you but it's that noise that I gotta stop. No probs matey, things are coolio with them now. ;)

As for ballasts what about maxibright resin encapsulated ballasts? I paid less than £50/$100 a pop for 600s. I liked the fact they're resin encapsulated for removing 6 fire hazards, besides being quiet. They even come with a slide out hanging hook :)

I googled them and they do sound good fella. :confused I can see how they'd be quiet too (as in no hum) but do they vibrate at all matey? Also, if where you got 'em from is still doing them for less than a nifty could you PM or email me a link? I can't find 'em for less than £70

So what's with balancing the trays on an assortment of boxes :shrug:

You're such an ass... :p I store stuff under the trays during grows. Just 'cause it's space I can use. ;) I really like your funky airer idea mate, another Burnsy first! For this grow however I will make do with just crushing the cardboard box that the tray is on, which will lower it. :)

How much veg you going with farty pants?
Dunno yet matey, I thought you would let me know?!?! I've gotta wait for, or encourage some side branching or I'll have nowt material to clone! :( And I truly hate having to admit you're right, but they do look a lot like stinging nettles don't they?!?

http://www.homegrownbud.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=16390&stc=1&d=1216610472

[San]

I've gotta wait for, or encourage some side branching or I'll have nowt material to clone!

Just a quicky, have you thought about topping em? They do look bit tall ;) Why not "Do a Burnsy" and top half so you can see which works out best for the spacing :)

Just a thought, that fan in the side of the ballast mite be to cool the microprocessor, so it does look like a digi ;) PLus it states "HPS/MH" which also points to digi ;)

Interesting comment about the growlux bulbs. One of our mates customers changes bulbs every grow (600's), neither of us reckoned it was worth it, but this guy was adamant about 10 - 15% drop if he didn't. There may well be something to it, a 10% increase would be worth it, or rather stopping a 10% decrease :) I dunno, it just seems wrong, but that don't make it so ;) You'd have to have a pretty consistent grow room to even know for sure, and note bulb life with each set of grow notes so you could compare like for like with say summer grows over a couple of years.

If it were the case, you'd expect a downward graphing yield over the year, or since the bulbs were new, which I've never really noticed to be that obvious. It only takes one little hiccup tho, and a slight loss could be attributed to anything that went slightly wrong. Like now high summer temps are causing me pythium snags again in the week before the chop, the yield will be down but I can't go blaming the fuggin bulbs for that :D

San:smokin:

[Mr Burns]

Well from your comments on that digital ballast I'd have to say MaxiBright ballasts are the way to go.
No noise except when the choke fires up but even then its muffled being resin encapsulated.
I don't get vibrations, normal humming or whistles and bangs with these. They do get quite warm though, warm enough that you wouldn't hold your hand on em for too long.

Has this shop got one you could try :shrug:

[Foxy]

Just a quicky, have you thought about topping em? They do look bit tall ;) Why not "Do a Burnsy" and top half so you can see which works out best for the spacing :)

I think I'll have to top them all mate, then once two side branches develop I'll take one whole one off as a clone, hopefully turning it back to a single cola plant again. :confused Actually... that would be bad 'cause I would then be relying on only one cut from each plant rooting and that's too much of a gamble. I'll top them all, take some cuts, then decide. 2thumbs


Interesting comment about the growlux bulbs. One of our mates customers changes bulbs every grow (600's), neither of us reckoned it was worth it, but this guy was adamant about 10 - 15% drop if he didn't. There may well be something to it, a 10% increase would be worth it, or rather stopping a 10% decrease :) I dunno, it just seems wrong, but that don't make it so ;) You'd have to have a pretty consistent grow room to even know for sure, and note bulb life with each set of grow notes so you could compare like for like with say summer grows over a couple of years.

If it were the case, you'd expect a downward graphing yield over the year, or since the bulbs were new, which I've never really noticed to be that obvious. It only takes one little hiccup tho, and a slight loss could be attributed to anything that went slightly wrong. Like now high summer temps are causing me pythium snags again in the week before the chop, the yield will be down but I can't go blaming the fuggin bulbs for that :D

I think you've hit the nail on the head with us mortals not being able to tell whether it's the bulb degeneration or another factor. I don't know about you but I haven't had a single grow (yet!) that hasn't had something different... And I don't mean Burnsy's self inflicted meddling, just "something" or other.... ;)

A fact for sure is that Grolux bulbs do get visibly dimmer over time, even to the naked eye. I went to a friends grow last month, he'd been using the same 600w Grolux bulbs since October 2006 and it was fully obvious they were old bulbs, you could actually look at the lit bulb without it hurting. If I hadn't known what they were I'd of said they were 250 watters. :slap: And yes, his yields had been consistently decreasing. :(

So even with no bulb/light knowledge, I'm sure it's safe to assume that the plant usable light power does go down way before the bulb actually appears dimmer to our human eyes. We've then just gotta make up our own minds whether we believe that initial non-human-visible tail-off really starts happening straight after you turn the light on. :shrug: If it really is a 10% drop or even anywhere near then it's well worth changing them. In fact, preventing anything over a 1.5% drop makes changing them worth it! Doesn't sound so unrealistic does it, that a bulbs power can deteriorate by 1.5% or more every two months... :confused

One of us needs to buy a light meter... :laugh:

Well from your comments on that digital ballast I'd have to say MaxiBright ballasts are the way to go.

Has this shop got one you could try :shrug:

You read my mind... I'm going back there tomorrow to swap this ballast for one of those MaxiBright compacts. ;) Thanks Matey.

[Mr Burns]

These are the models I use.

[Foxy]

Thanks Buttface. ;)

Bit of a wasted trip, he said he had a Maxibright Compact in stock, turned up with the loaner digi ballast for a swap and he didn't have the other one after all. :rolleyes: He then tried to get funny about giving me my deposit on the loaner back, saying he could only give me a credit note. That only lasted 10 seconds though. :laugh:

I'll go to one of my regular shops tomorrow and buy the Maxibright. ;) If Burnsy can get half decent buds out of it I'm sure I can make it sing. :stick:

Also, changed out the 8" exhaust fan that I wasn't happy with for a 6" Ruck. I'll encase it in acoustic foam then that'll be the end of it. Promise! :deal:

Anyway Gang, I appreciate your patience, I realise this isn't a construction thread, so no more talk of just noise... on with the journal.... 2thumbs

[San]

I don't know about you but I haven't had a single grow (yet!) that hasn't had something different..

I know what you mean :rotf: Before I got the RO installed any little hiccup was almost total disaster :rolleyes: First RO was 50% superb as I tried to test the pure RO on one side Vs tap RO mix to 0.3, the pure RO side was about 40% down on the mix side.

Second RO went fuggin lovely, both sides on 0.3EC mix, I pulled 1g/w - this is on 3.5 - 4 month old bulbs.

3rd RO grow is looking fuggin ugly as pythium set in for the week before the chop.

Yup, impossible to conclude anything about bulbs :rotf:

San:smokin:

[Foxy]

3rd RO grow is looking fuggin ugly as pythium set in for the week before the chop.

That's a royal bummer mate. :( I know you use an enzyme but are you using Beneficial Fungi as well? Just a thought. ;) Since you guys convinced me to move away from H2o2, I've been using Cannazym once a week and Dr. Hornby's Piranha (I add it to the Rockwool pre-soak and then apply it once to the rootzone on the tables, about a week in).

I'm not gonna say that "tempt fate" saying, but I'll just say it's worked well so far. 2thumbs It turns my rootzone shades of green and brown, so I'm guessing it works by filling up the space with good stuff, so there's no room at the inn for the bad? :shrug: That's just a guess though, I'm kinda hoping you'll tell me! :)

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Veg Day 3

This lot are quite shy and girly nute-wise... I kicked them off at EC1.8 (base water 0.8 plus rhizatonic, cannazym, drip clean, Optimum Grow nutes and phos pH down) and they grew well but have some nasty burn-curl, so I've backed them off to EC1.6 to see if they like that better. ;)

I've already ear-marked a few which I think are males, purely because they are growing so vigorously that they are too good to be true. :rolleyes:

The 3rd and last tray will be going in today, so they will be nearly 4 days behind the ones that are in already. It'll be interesting to see which get on better, come the flip. :confused

I guess I better try and hunt down another journal of these so I can judge size-wise when to flip them... :coffee:

Thanks for your interest Folks. 2thumbs

_________________________________
KC36
Veg Day 3
EC 1.6 (but may be too high)
pH 5.7
Av. 14"

[tripps]

That Dr Hornby's ( I use his Big Bud and like it) Pirana, when you say you add it to the root zone, do you put it in the res, or actually physically add it by dumping or spraying on your medium?

[Foxy]

I stir 4 heaped teaspoons of the powder into a jug with 600ml of water tripps, then very slowly pour 100ml of the mixture directly onto the roots and root matting of each of the six channels.

Does that make sense Matey?

[Mr Burns]

Here 'o' sly one. For all the piss takings with me saying them plants looked like stingers, they remind me of a grow of not so old that started out with the same appearance but finished with a big ole grin :D

If only I'd have my wide angle lens at that one. I could only fit 2 thirds of the hanging bud into the 3rd picture :( :laugh:

Looks like all is well my fellow stinger grower 2thumbs

[CylonBud]

Them stingers make some pretty good bud Burnsy! Yummy!:D

[Mr Burns]

Thanks buddy 2thumbs You wanna see a cool journal take a look at this (http://www.homegrownbud.com/forums/showthread.php?t=4645)

[Foxy]

You wanna see a cool journal take a look at this (http://www.homegrownbud.com/forums/showthread.php?t=4645)
:laugh: That's funny man... :D

Yeah I agree, check out his funfair, with smoke and mirrors light-show Cy, then when you wanna see what can really be achieved with NFT, come back here Buddy. :bananna:

Nice colas though Buttface. 2thumbs
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Veg Day 6

I took the nutes down to a measly EC1.5 (base water 0.8 plus rhizatonic, cannazym, drip clean, Optimum Grow nutes and phos pH down) and they still look like I'm pushing them WAY too hard... check this out for major leaf curl! :eek: :

http://www.homegrownbud.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=16499&stc=1&d=1217081299

However, the EC is reminaing pretty steady, only gone up 0.1 in nearly 2 days, so I'm half tempted to leave it as it is rather than taking it lower still. I've a feeling that the leaf curl above is so bad, that even if I put just plain water in there, they wouldn't uncurl. :shrug:

Also, if you get an average across all of them, the leaves are satellite dishing, so that tends to mean they're happy. ;) As I'm typing, I've decided.... I'm gonna take them down to EC1.4 and see what happens. 2thumbs It's the right thing to do. ;)

There's loads of different phenos here, but they do tend to fall into 3 categories:

1. Slightly top heavy, tall and slim ones like the one above and this one:

http://www.homegrownbud.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=16496&stc=1&d=1217081299

2. Short stocky ones like this:

http://www.homegrownbud.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=16498&stc=1&d=1217081299

and
3. thick stemmed lanky ones with sparse branches like this:

http://www.homegrownbud.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=16497&stc=1&d=1217081299

I know it's very early doors but I'll be AMAZED if these last ones aren't the males. :2cents: Clues being the vigorous growth, thick stems, and this:

http://www.homegrownbud.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=16500&stc=1&d=1217081299

We'll see eh?!? ;)

I think I'll top them all today or tomorrow, take the clones a couple of days later, then flip 'em. 2thumbs

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KC36
Veg Day 6
EC 1.6 (set at 1.5 and drifted up over 1.5 days)
pH 6.0
Av. 16"

[tripps]

Wow, Foxy, I'm no great diagnostician, but that curl doesn't look like overnuting, heat or super low RH maybe. I've had plants prone to Mg defic get a little upcurl like that, but that's extreme!

PS I sent Burnsy some of my harvest pics, so he'd have something to show, you know as well as I he could never grow buddage like that. LOL

[CezarCronic]

Yeah man those plants are looking very nice:cool: .

Tripps i have a plant all the time curls like that and is just the way she is , all day long twist leaves and curls and some times don't but most of the time :rolleyes:

I thin we got some curly Cannabis too :p

[Mr Burns]

There's loads of different phenos here, but they do tend to fall into 3 categories:

Well I'm keen on No2 for an un-topped plant.
Do you know what kind of pheno you're looking for Foxy :shrug: Like from whoever gave rep on getting a possible producer, or is this the reason for mass cloning not having this info?

BTW, No3 sucks :)

[Foxy]

Wow, Foxy, I'm no great diagnostician, but that curl doesn't look like overnuting, heat or super low RH maybe.


You're completely right tripps, I see you're not just a pretty face. ;) Leaf curl like that does not mean over nuting like I inferred. All you can tell by that type of curl is STRESS. ;)

Temps is defo the no.1 cause of that type of stress, but I maybe too hastily ruled it out 'cause I have other strains in this same room (in a different system) that are doing fine. :shrug: But, I think you may be right, because as a theory it ties in with the weak nature/stability of this strain, as in very nute-fussy, loads of different pheno's, etc. Some have no curl at all, some are showing slight nute-def, some are short and dumpy, some have massive dark leaves, some are yellowing at the lower branches... etc, etc,.:rolleyes:

Thanks Mate. 2thumbs

Yeah man those plants are looking very nice:cool: .


Thanks Cez. ;)


Do you know what kind of pheno you're looking for Foxy :shrug: Like from whoever gave rep on getting a possible producer, or is this the reason for mass cloning not having this info?

The only thing I've heard about this strain Bruva is what's on the Doc's website. Even then, I only bought it 'cause my own Mum's weren't ready to give me cuttings. :) I prefer short flowerers, so anything around mid-40 days. And a little side branching would be ok but ideally a single cola strain that comes in around 2+ oscars a plant. :drool:

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Veg Day 8

They seem happier at EC1.4, so maybe that's where I should have started them... :cool:

I got the last (3rd) tray in yesterday which you can see on the right:

http://www.homegrownbud.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=16537&stc=1&d=1217298238

Unfortunately, as you can see, it's going to be a few more days before they are ready for me to get clones off, so since the others are already big, this is gonna be tight for height. :slap:
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KC36
Veg Day 8
EC 1.4 (they seem happy, start at this next time)
pH 5.7
Av. 18"

[Mr Burns]

Unfortunately, as you can see, it's going to be a few more days before they are ready for me to get clones off, so since the others are already big, this is gonna be tight for height. :slap:
What lamp you got in that tent Foxy? Couldn't you bend it a little towards the younger ones for a catch up?

[Foxy]

What lamp you got in that tent Foxy? Couldn't you bend it a little towards the younger ones for a catch up?

Since it's you, done... :2thumbs I never could say no to a pretty lady. :gt:

I know it looks like a tent in the pics but I've actually just lined the walls of the room with white/black/white. ;) There's 4 x 600 watters, each 600 is over a 5'x3' tray, with all trays touching apart from a small gap in the middle where they drain into the res's, so total grow/canopy area is 10.5'x 6'.

That's how I've set the room up to be, but the above is actually a lie for this single grow, as I'm only using 3 trays. The space where the 4th tray will go currently has my old Apollo11 Mum from the old grow location, which I'm flowering out along with these KC36. But from next grow, 4 trays. ;)

I've also used that C3 Anti-detection foil over the window and surrounding wall, interesting stuff, but I'll talk about that another time, I gotta go... going for tappas! :woohoo:

[Mr Burns]

Since it's you, done... :2thumbs I never could say no to a pretty lady. :gt:
That's because a pretty lady only ever asks you "were you born with that condition?" :laugh:

That panda plastic explains why I thought a tent :slap:

Sounds like were on a similar grow space now then :shrug: Consider the gauntlet laid. That is, if I don't get a fugg up like I experienced today :mad:

Bugger. Just heard partner come home and hit the gate pillar with the car. Again :(

Laters...

[Foxy]

Bugger. Just heard partner come home and hit the gate pillar with the car. Again

No matter what her driving skills are like, you gotta admire a woman who could put up with you though eh?!?! She must have the patience of a house-brick. I like her! :D

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In the end, trays 1 and 2 (at the back) got 13 days veg and tray 3, got 7 days veg... and today is:

Flower Day 1 :woohoo:

I managed to get at least 2 cuttings from each of the plants that look like a pheno that may be a keeper (which was 12 plants out of the 27) I'd want to grow again. The rest are all sparse, weak, lanky wastes of space. In fact I'm so sure that some of them are males that I've already cut them in half so they don't crowd out the possible females. :laugh:

BUT, as anyone whose grown from seed, taken clones and then grown them out knows, the clones don't always hold onto the characteristics of the original Mum. :shrug: Someone at another site explained it to me once, but essentially we're not actually making "clones" in the real sense, that would need some serious ass genetic equipment and plenty-mega-dollar. We are taking cuttings. 2thumbs Some similar letters, but it's not the same.

I do find though that once I've got an established Mum that grew from a cutting, the cuttings I take from her, end up being very similar to their Mum. I guess I'm just taking a very long time to say, even though I'm taking clones from plants I'm thinking may do well this grow, there's no way to tell from this grow whether I'll actually get a keeper. ;)

And of course, they could all be males. :slap:

[tripps]

[QUOTE]
And of course, they could all be males. :slap:

At least Burnsy would be pleased!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQpC-x-nJ9I

[Foxy]

I used to be a Chippendale. But .... (Insert your own joke here) .... !! :D

[tripps]

I used to be a Chippendale. But I was just too sexy .... !! :D
:rolleyes:

[CylonBud]

I used to be a Chippendale. But .... I had to much hair down there for my thong .... !! :D

:eek:

[San]

In fact I'm so sure that some of them are males that I've already cut them in half so they don't crowd out the possible females.

Classic. Official leafreader :2cents:

I used to be a Chippendale. But .... I ate all the pies:p

TBH, I asked the Mrs. to end it with a good line for you, it was her line :D :rotf:

San/Mrs San :smokin:

[Foxy]

I used to be a Chippendale. But I was just too sexy .... !! :D
:rolleyes:
I like this one the best. It's honest and truthful.

I used to be a Chippendale. But .... I had to much hair down there for my thong .... !! :D

:eek:
You should've let me know if I'd posted up revealing pictures of myself Cy... :(

I used to be a Chippendale. But .... I ate all the pies:p

TBH, I asked the Mrs. to end it with a good line for you, it was her line :D :rotf:

Right, that's it! :mad: And I'm so nice about her!!!! :rolleyes: You can actually correct her too..... It was lager that made me fat, I don't really like pies. :p

[Foxy]

Flower Day 3

They shocked me today 'cause I've so far considered this lot to be pretty weak and uneventful, but all the plants across a whole tray fell over with their own weight today. :eek: Strangely encouraging actually, maybe they have some fight in them after all! :shrug: No bother though, I just put the screen in (a week earlier than I normally would for a 7 week strain), lifted them back up and put them the holes. I didn't train or tie them because there's still going to be some males. :mad:

When I looked at the pics I realised that the layout may not be obvious, so I've labelled these pics for clarity. 2thumbs

Tray 1, back left:

http://www.homegrownbud.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=16710&stc=1&d=1218063872

Tray 2, back right (the one where they all fell down):

http://www.homegrownbud.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=16711&stc=1&d=1218063872

Tray 1&2 drink and drain off the same res, and went in to veg at the same time. Lastly, on it's own res (for this grow) is Tray 3, front right:

http://www.homegrownbud.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=16712&stc=1&d=1218063872

The space where Tray 4 will be next grow is taken up this grow by the old Apollo Mum I was talking about. I just didn't have the heart to throw her, after all the good cuttings she's given me!! SO I'm giving her a chance to shine for the very last time... :)

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KC36
Flower Day 3
EC 1.8 (REALLY pushing them)
pH 5.5
Av. 25"

[Mr Burns]

Good to see you using string and not that netting crap :shrug:
You know I've always avoided it cause I could never understand the delight of cutting green from netting. Strings rock in my book. Well maybe not rock :confused but better than netting...

[San]

back right (the one where they all fell down)

Typical, always the ones right in the back corner needing attention:(

I thought I'd leave one of mine in the corner as it fell straight into the corner, figured the walls would support most of the growth. Error, that's where the Pythium started, 40% down :(

Looking well bushy in there :D

San:smokin:

[Foxy]

Good to see you using string and not that netting crap :shrug:
Sorry Lover, it's pea netting. You probably saw the twist tie stuff I use to fasten it?

I thought I'd leave one of mine in the corner as it fell straight into the corner, figured the walls would support most of the growth. Error, that's where the Pythium started, 40% down :(

Shat, sorry mate. :( Is that your recent one? Bollocks. Thanks for the warning though, I often leave them if they fall against the wall... :eek:

I don't know if any of you are into ancient philosophy but to quote the American philosoper Jay-Z, "I got 99 problems but pythium ain't one".... I HAVE got bitch problems... As in lack of them. :mad:

Out of 20-f'in-7 of them I've got 19 definite males, only 7 definite females and one that's not showing yet... :cry: Talk about karma coming to bite me in the arse at exactly the worse time... :rant:

So I've got a quick decision to make and I'd appreciate any experienced input Gang..... :help2:

Have any of you gone back into veg at about a week into flower when they've started to show sex?? If so, how long of 18/6 did it take for them to settle back down into normal veg growth again?? Was there a period of weird growth? :shrug:

I need to know because my choices are:

1. Scrap the grow and "find" some ready to go clones
2. Put the 8 females into 1 single tray (rather than the 3 I'm currently running) and carry on flowering
3. Put the 8 females into 2 trays and re-veg them so they fill the space

Please let me know folks???

[tripps]

I'd flip and veg larger. I've revegged after harvest and seen it take weeks and weeks, but when I've put 'em into flower just to show sex and moved 'em back to veg, it wasn't too bad, maybe a week stall. Less time that way than starting over. JMO, though.

[CB]

So I've got a quick decision to make and I'd appreciate any experienced input Gang..... :help2:


do you need the smoke? if so then i would clone now and flower away.

if ya just don't want to be arsed with 8 that size then back to veg:) will stall em for a week or so but it's a hardy plant;)

I would keep an eye on them in flower tho;)

grow on

[San]

Have any of you gone back into veg at about a week into flower when they've started to show sex?? If so, how long of 18/6 did it take for them to settle back down into normal veg growth again?? Was there a period of weird growth?

I'd say you're looking at a week to 10 days if you switch back to veg, another few days after that before you could take cuts. (veg nutes too)

1. Scrap the grow and "find" some ready to go clones
2. Put the 8 females into 1 single tray (rather than the 3 I'm currently running) and carry on flowering
3. Put the 8 females into 2 trays and re-veg them so they fill the space

depends if you could get new cuts somewhere, if so, I'd be tempted.

Otherwise, I think I'd go with putting them all on one tray, re-vegging to the point where there's enough cuts for the rest of the space, then flipping them as they get over the haircut, or once the new cuts are ready, but that would mean say 10 days after back to veg to cutting, then probably at least 2 weeks before your new cuts are near ready, then maybe a week more veg for the cuts.

Yeah, all on one tray, veg up for new cuts, then flip that tray while the rest grow up a bit. Put that tray where you can crop it a couple of weeks before the rest of the room which will be pretty jungle by then ;)

What a fuggin quandry <sigh>

San:smokin:

[CylonBud]

If you can get some ready to go clones get some and veg them along with the 8 ladies ya got and then flower the whole lot at one time. :D The clones should gain some size up on the ladies as they stall for a bit switching back to veg. :D

[Foxy]

Thanks you Guys, I really appreciate your input and thoughts in my hour of need. ;)

Your overall opinion of a 1 week stall, and no available clones for 10 days, made my mind up for me this afternoon. ;)

This was based on the time involved in my options:

1. Scrap the grow and "find" some ready to go clones = 10 days sourcing + 4 days rooting into 3" blocks + 5 days veg = 19 days before flower, all 3 trays.
2. Put the 8 females into 1 single tray and carry on flowering= carry on flowering but only 1 tray.
3. Put the 8 females into 2 trays and re-veg them so they fill the space= 7 days stall + 7 day veg = 14 days before flower, 2 trays

This afternoon I tried for option 2, to put them all into one tray and it didn't work, some are too big and overcrowded the little'uns, so I went for the next best, option 3. And that's it gang, from now on. So....

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Re-Veg Day 1

Well, this is now a story about 8 x KC36 girls in two, 5ft x 3ft trays. Each lit by a 600 watter. I'm stating my intent now. I demand 40 oscars at LEAST!! :laugh:

The lights have been on for a solid 36 hours, just to hammer home my FIRM intentions to the remaining 8!!! BACK TO VEG girls!!! :deal:

The trays look a little sad now, but they'll soon be back to their former glory! :peaceman:

I've also swapped the bulbs for Halides... which will hopefully keep them all from stretching too much. 2thumbs

Tray 1:

http://www.homegrownbud.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=16763&stc=1&d=1218501520

Tray 2:

http://www.homegrownbud.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=16764&stc=1&d=1218501520

Now grow my lovelies... GROW!!!

[majestyk5]

good luck with the re-veg foxy. i'll keep the peepers peepping.

[Mr Burns]

:slap: Bloody hell Basil I read your plight and was going to be the first to answer, but must have been distracted :slap:
It's by the by now but I was going to suggest all in one tray like San has, but seeing you're now on the 'updated' option 3 I hope it all pans out.
Did you put them on a new layer of capillary matting :shrug:

Also what about getting some fem seeds for the rest, just so you get a result?

[Kiwi]

Charming to read another NFT journal by the bushy tailed fellow.

A rather wide variety of phenos you got there me lad :D

As for that Burns ignore the rantings, poor chap has Island fever I'm sure

One for the poor, what!

~Kiwi~

[Dawg]

burnsy i'm startin to think your a social butter fly :p
:pass:

[San]

I demand 40 oscars at LEAST!! Way to set the bar high mate :laugh:

burnsy i'm startin to think your a social butter fly

Yeah, just like the "butterfly effect" he flaps his wings on one side of the planet, and at the same time all the kids throw their toys out the pram on the other side of the world :D I've seen it happen :rotf:

San:smokin:

[Mr Burns]

burnsy i'm startin to think your a social butter fly :p
:pass:
I take that as a compliment my wallflower ;) Now gimme a draw on that joint and let me tell you a story.... :pass:

Yeah, just like the "butterfly effect" he flaps his wings on one side of the planet, and at the same time all the kids throw their toys out the pram on the other side of the world :D I've seen it happen :rotf:

San:smokin:
Wasn't my flapping. I was in the john with my trousers round me ankles at that moment. Came out and the poplulation count had increased :wow: Hhhornest orficer :alky:

[Foxy]

Did you put them on a new layer of capillary matting :shrug:

Yes Matey, I firstly cut the ones I wanted to keep from the matting. I managed to keep about 8 inches of the matting and roots around each block. I laid them on the floor and then laid down fresh matting across both trays and then put the 8 females (with their roots and matting) on top of the new matting. There will be some roots carried over from all the males, so I'll need to run full strength enzyme right till the end, to eat all those rotting roots. ;)

Also what about getting some fem seeds for the rest, just so you get a result?

I would do but there's 2 trays going and another tray space taken up by my flowering Mum, so I'm only one tray down. I'll go with it like this for this grow and get the next one singing. 2thumbs

Charming to read another NFT journal by the bushy tailed fellow.
And it's great to see you ol' chap! :D Good to see you're still trying to learn your ancestors tongue too. ;)

burnsy i'm startin to think your a social butter fly :p
:pass:
He's more like an STD. Pleasureable at the very beginning then a lifetime regret. :shrug:

I demand 40 oscars at LEAST!! Way to set the bar high mate :laugh:

Gotta be done Bruva... ;) 5 oscars a plant isn't THAT much!?!? C'mon, I even bought new bulbs!! :deal:

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Re-Veg Day 8

Well they avoided any weird re-veg growth, but maybe that's only when you reveg them after they've flowered? Anyway, they are now back into veg properly as they are putting out new growth that doesn't have pistils. 2thumbs

Tray 1:
http://www.homegrownbud.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=16931&stc=1&d=1219069617

Tray 2:
http://www.homegrownbud.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=16932&stc=1&d=1219069617

I'm going to try and train the taller ones down but if not I'll top them and get some of those side branches tied and trained. Either way I'll only veg them for a few more days. :cool:

[Kiwi]

Good to see you're still trying to learn your ancestors tongue too. ;)

Lol, you forget I'm married to one of you lot :D

Cheek like that, its no wonder they hunt you down with horses and packs of dogs. Oh no, they have banned that haven't they? :rolleyes:

That pic of tray 1 makes them look like different strains, plant center right lanky sativa and center left bushy indica :o Or plant right grown from clone and left from seed.

Or shuddup Kiwi

Have you gone back to veg nutes btw?

Looking forward to some flower comparisons

~Kiwi~

[Mr Burns]

Any growth in the last 6 days Basil?

[Pistol Pete]

To Remove A Established Cube From A NFT Tray; Apply Cannazym Manually To Cube And Wait 24 Hours
Gently Remove Cube
( This is In Case Of Male / hermaphrodite/ Infection )
Works Very Well;)
PP

[Foxy]

Lol, you forget I'm married to one of you lot :D

Shat! Yes, I did forget that actually... but now I remember.... I knew there had to be ONE reason why I liked you... :shrug: :D

Have you gone back to veg nutes btw?
Never got off them Matey, I no longer swap to flowering nutes till I see some pistils-a-pistiling

Any growth in the last 6 days Basil?
Tosser. Don't thank him tripps, if you encourage him he'll only breed. :rolleyes:

But since you ask.... ;) How about after that little hiccup earlier, we try that flowering thing again hey? :)

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Re-Veg Day 14

I've trained, tied, snapped (using HST technique), spread and weaved, and now the 8 remaining lady plants have filled the space normally taken up by 18, so tomorrow (Monday) will be day 1 of flower. :woohoo:

This is a good thing in many ways, I can't wait to get this one over with after the long wait. It's also bad, because it's running 3 weeks late.... and I haven't yet told my girlfriend we're not going on the holiday I promised at the end of September. :o Not looking forward to that conversation...

Anyway, I kept them at EC 1.4-1.5 for the whole of this veg period, and let's see how they do from now on... ;)

[San]

Looking good matey 2thumbs

I haven't yet told my girlfriend we're not going on the holiday I promised at the end of September.

I recommend talking about the November holiday well in advance of cancelling the september trip :laugh: ...... 'can't wait for fireworks in paradise...' :D

San:smokin:

[Pistol Pete]

Just A Little Tip From When I Grew NFT424 Style
After Laying The Spreader Mat , I Would Then Lay A Sheet Of Plastic Lobster Pot mesh On Top Before Placing My Three Inch Cubes
This Was A Lot Easier Than Cutting The Bottoms Off Square meshpots To Act As Saucers To Avoid Any Chance Of Cubes Sitting In Pools, Or Puddles
Also , By Using The Mesh , The Roots Grow Through The Plastic , Providing Much More lateral Support;)
My #1 NFT Tip:)
PP

[Foxy]

I haven't yet told my girlfriend we're not going on the holiday I promised at the end of September.

I recommend talking about the November holiday well in advance of cancelling the september trip :laugh: ...... 'can't wait for fireworks in paradise...' :D


I can. :( Which is why I still haven't mentioned it. :o I've managed to transfer the £1k deposit with Kuoni though, so I'm gonna work out the new date range, re-book the holiday, then tell her. ;) Her work will be ok swapping dates 'cause they think she's the dogs nadgers. :D I'm very tempted to define an end date to this grow now actually, regardless of the plants.

In fact, fock it lets do it... 2thumbs Breeder info says 40-60 days and I bought them because of the 40 day possibility, not the 60 days..... If I've got 60 days I'd grow Chronic all day long, so I'm only interested if this is a mid-40's with a great smoke. :flog: Typically a pheno grown from seed can go a week longer than if grown from its clones, so I'm gonna cap this grow at 50 days max... 13th October :lock:

That's not gonna go down well. :slap: May have to get some Ripen. :rolleyes:

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Flower Day 7

Switched back to the Grolux bulbs tonight after lights out and I'm hoping that they don't stretch too much more 'cause the lamps are at their highest and there's about 12-19 inches room between tips and bulbs.

There is some small amounts of odd-ish re-veg growth (I've circled an example) but not enough to worry me in any way.

They still have the pistils from where they previously were in flower, so I'm going to wait until I see more forming before I switch to flowering nutes.

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KC36
Flower Day 7
EC 1.5 (veg nutes)
pH 6.0
Av. 38"

[CylonBud]

Now that's cracking the wip Foxy! :flog: Flower damn it! LOL :D

[Foxy]

Now that's cracking the wip Foxy! :flog: Flower damn it! LOL :D
You know it Buddy. ;) In fact, I'm kinda resigned to this being a naff grow and I want to go on holiday so I think I might play with the light cycle. :hmmmm:

Off to Advanced Tactics I go... ;)

[Mr Burns]

Switched back to the Grolux bulbs tonight ...
So what lamps you been using Basil, SonT? :shrug:

I suffered single leaves with the one re-veg I done and they were there till the end, but the plant finished as well as I'd hoped if its any conciliation ;)

Kuoni? You not doing 'The Sun' holiday this year then :shrug: :laugh:

[Foxy]

So what lamps you been using Basil, SonT? :shrug:

Metal Halides you fooooooool. :rolleyes:


Kuoni? You not doing 'The Sun' holiday this year then :shrug: :laugh:

:laugh: Nah, I thought I'd leave Benidorm to you this year Buttface. :D Now go over to Advanced Tactics and answer my questions! :rant:

[Foxy]

Got away with the holiday change!!!! :woohoo: We're going away over New Year instead, which I'm a big fan of because I can't stand all the pressure to do stuff on New Years Eve in this country, like being with people I don't know or care about. :D

I'm still just as keen to bring these girls to climax as soon as possible because I've got to get out to the States for work ASAP... So if I can finish them off by the end of the month (now that's tantric eh!?!?.. :chick: ) that'll be great. :)

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Flower Day 14

They kinda look ok I guess.. :shrug: It's obvious from the pics and even more obvious in the flesh that this strain really wants to be a single cola, reach for the sky type o' girl. But there's so many different phenos in this bunch that I can't really say for sure what this strain is "meant" to be like at this stage. :o

They are certainly stretchy, but not inconceivable that they'll fill in I guess? In fact the best thing I can say at this stage is, I don't know. :shrug:

I know that I can't expect 40 oscars anymore because to get them finished early I've changed the light schedule to 10 on/14 off... even without the light change they've gone through some proper abuse with the re-veg and physical move, so I'm gonna bring my expectation down to half, 0.5g/w... let's say 20 oscars.... and I'll be happy.... ish. ;)

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KC36
Flower Day 14
EC 1.6
pH 5.7
Av. 40

[CylonBud]

Happy...ish. LOL :rotf:

[Mr Burns]

5 week flower :shrug: talk about pushing it! BTW, are you gonna tidy up the end of that acoustic ducting with some sticky aluminium tape or is smoking glass or rock fibre part of this diet :shrug:

Lucky bas-turd getting away on new years :(
I like it with kids around but even then I'd much rather spend it with a private beach available and near the equator :)

5 weeks flower. Gotta see the results on this one matey 2thumbs

[San]

5 weeks :eek: nothing like a bit of pressure eh :lol:

Some superbud or similar mite help finish em quicksharpish ;) shyte rock hard nugs, tho more weight ;)

San:smokin:

[Pistol Pete]

Personally I Find Using Halides For The Complete Grow Extends The Finishing Of The Buds By Two Weeks
However , The Buds Are Rock Hard Nuggets , Much More Dense Than The Same Strain Grown Under HPS

I Am Using GHE Ripen ; OMG; I Wish I Had Come Across This Stuff Before; It's Only Been Four Days , But The Colas Had Doubled In Size:eek:

Unfortuneatley, Alcohol ( My Stepson ) Has Put An End To My Growing Hobby
Loose Lips N All
PP

[Foxy]

BTW, are you gonna tidy up the end of that acoustic ducting with some sticky aluminium tape or is smoking glass or rock fibre part of this diet :shrug:

I take it from that comment you've never tried it?? :shrug: It's like lemon sorbet, only sharper. :eek:

5 weeks :eek: nothing like a bit of pressure eh :lol:

Too right!! ;) These girls have gotta work hard for their feed!!! :flog:

Added 0.5ml/litre of Bloombastic yesterday so I'm giving them as much Foxy-Love as I give any other grow, so lets see what they do now... :D

[Mr Burns]

Who'd have thought you were only talking of re-vegging a sniffle ago :shrug: now look at em 2thumbs

[Foxy]

Flower Day 21

It is pretty impressive how these girls are coming along, with the stress they've endured and only having 10 hours light a day, they're doing ok I think. :shrug:

IF the colas that are forming do join up and fill out, it won't be too bad a result I reckon. ;) If they do, I'll give this strain another run with the clones I've taken. I wanna somehow try and sneak in another 2 grows before my holiday over New Year... :flog:

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KC36
Flower Day 21
EC 1.5
pH 6.1
Av. 40

[CB]

look'n good:D hey in that 3rd pic is that part of ya light shade on the left? if so would like to see more of it:)

grow on

:pass:

[Foxy]

hey in that 3rd pic is that part of ya light shade on the left? if so would like to see more of it:)

I never could say no to a pretty face... :gt:

It's called a Mantis Pro. I went to a shop to buy two adjusta-wings (the proper Aussie version) but they didn't have any left so they sold me two of these instead. They are MUCH heavier than adjusta-wings but are very solidly built and a big bonus is, each wing can be adjusted independently (as you can see in these pics) so they're great for the outer edge of the grow area. ;)

[CB]

I never could say no to a pretty face... :gt:



:o thanks mang for the pics..... got a grow room fetish here:p

never seen one like that....

grow on

:pass:

[Freakshow]

Wow, Foxy, where'd ya get that bionic whirlygig reflector thingamajiggy? That's pretty kewl. Does it reach down and help harvest as well? :p

Your garden is looking budtastic, my friend.

[CezarCronic]

Foxy looking real good bro ;) one question tough " Are those reflectors remote control by any chance man":eek: they look robotic :D..

Good work :)

[Pistol Pete]

Very Nice The Mantis , But Nowhere Near As Reflective As The Glass Coated Adjustwing " Defender "
In Side By Side Trials I Have Managed To Put A Defender ( And Heat Shield ) Within 10 Inches Of My Plant Canopy ( My Jetstream Glass Enclosed Reflector Cannot Go That Low:eek:)
The Adjustawing Is Also Considered The Best By Jorge Cervantes
Over Here The Mantis Is Now Discontinued And Only Old Stock Remains
Kinda Like This Miro Growstar
PP

[Mr Burns]

IMO you've got the best shades on the market Basil. I use a mix of Adjusta-Wings & Adjusta-Shades (Chinese Adjusta-Wing rip) and they're only fault is the wire adjustment catching on cola tops or falling out when in a slack open position and inadvertently knocked :mad:

If ever I changed my shades I'd go for the enviro parabolic 'white' reflector.

Can't believe the turn around in this grow. Superb :gthumb:

[Foxy]

Does it reach down and help harvest as well? :p

:laugh: Now I'd pay £65 for that any day! ;) Cheers Dude.

Foxy looking real good bro ;) one question tough " Are those reflectors remote control by any chance man":eek: they look robotic :D.
Ya know Cez, that's one thing I've asked Burnsy for, a loooooooong time ago that he hasn't delievered.... An automatic light raiser as the plants grow. It shouldn't be that difficult... surely!!?!? :rolleyes:

IMO you've got the best shades on the market Basil. I use a mix of Adjusta-Wings & Adjusta-Shades (Chinese Adjusta-Wing rip) and they're only fault is the wire adjustment catching on cola tops or falling out when in a slack open position and inadvertently knocked :mad:

Yeah bud, I agree, the adjusta-wings (according to blurb and articles) always outperform others, according to the makers, by silly amounts, but I often wonder what they are comparing them too. Another problem (if you're like me and don't heed the enclosed instructions. :slap: ) is there's a reason you musn't use cleaners/chemicals/abrasives on the underside of the wings.... It rubs off/completely dulls the glass coating and makes them as reflective as chocolate. :eek: Oops. :( That's why I had to go and buy two new ones and ended up buying those mantis' instead.


If ever I changed my shades I'd go for the enviro parabolic 'white' reflector.

Funny you saying that I was handling one of those today. Again, quite heavy ya know mate, and the coating seemed quite rough to me, as in "not smooth", not as in "crappy"... I'm gonna get a light meter very shortly (I really wanna nail and put to bed this bulb replacement time thing, it's bugging me :mad: ) and I'll see if he'll let me borrow one so I can test it for us. 2thumbs

[Mr Burns]

Another problem (if you're like me and don't heed the enclosed instructions. :slap: ) is there's a reason you musn't use cleaners/chemicals/abrasives on the underside of the wings....


What is this thing you name 'cleaners' :shrug:


Funny you saying that I was handling one of those today. Again, quite heavy ya know mate, and the coating seemed quite rough to me, as in "not smooth", not as in "crappy"... I'm gonna get a light meter very shortly (I really wanna nail and put to bed this bulb replacement time thing, it's bugging me :mad: ) and I'll see if he'll let me borrow one so I can test it for us. 2thumbs

Well Basil, I read history with parabolics as this: Indoor growing lamps in early days had a high lead content in the cap, so vertically hanging lamps seen a lot of returns of not only failed lamps but also the parabolic hoods :2cents:
Seeing that parabolics got a bad name all be it because of the lead content of the lamps, were now in an age where there is zero or minimal content of lead in a lamp cap :2cents:

This history is the main reason I'd love to try them above a move to any other shade. People talk parabolics are old hat and never took off but because of what :shrug:

Hand on heart if I were to furnish a new grow room I'd use 'white' parabolics period. If there was a discount :2cents:

[Foxy]

What is this thing you name 'cleaners' :shrug:
Her name's Jane. She comes in twice a week for 2-3 hours. :)

:laugh: Only kidding... When I was pulling them down at the end of a grow They had colas laying on them and got really sticky, so I thought it would be a good idea to first rub olive oil into them then scrub them with a "non-scratch" scourer, fairy liquid and hot water. It didn't go well. :(


Hand on heart if I were to furnish a new grow room I'd use 'white' parabolics period. If there was a discount :2cents:

I fully believe ALL of that matey, and I agree that they're worth a try even just because they look so cool. :D We're spending all this money on lighting our bulbs, we should use that light as wisely as possible. ;)

[Shadows]

That lady has an aweful lot of sativa in her man. Shes growing you some new fox tails I see. Looking damn fine tho and if she does fill in, I think you'll be happy with the results, but I think your chop time may hamper that some, especially on such a satty lady. You were talking of dropping light on times, have you done that already? whats the final schedule?

[Freakshow]

Ebay has white parabolic light reflectors for $74 US.

[Foxy]

That lady has an aweful lot of sativa in her man. Shes growing you some new fox tails I see. Looking damn fine tho and if she does fill in, I think you'll be happy with the results, but I think your chop time may hamper that some, especially on such a satty lady. You were talking of dropping light on times, have you done that already? whats the final schedule?
I don't think they look that great in person but thanks anyhow Buddy. ;) From Flower Day 14 they've been on 10 on/14 off.

Ebay has white parabolic light reflectors for $74 US.
Now, now, no temptation my way please matey, I've spent all my pocket money already. :laugh: Thanks anyway though! ;)

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Flower Day 31 of 42

Well, as predicted, they seem ok, but not great. :) They've joined up as much as they're going to and now I'm just hoping that they swell nice n fat. 2thumbs

They also don't look very healthy do they!? The leaves seem to be in late Autumn while the buds are just finishing their summer holiday. ;) Nothings wrong with my nuteing, maybe this is just this strain. :shrug:

Speaking of that, there are still many, varied different phenos evident here. It's too early for an early taster but there's only two, maybe three plants that are perhaps worth carrying on for another grow. I've binned the rest of the clones from the other 5 plants. ;)

They're on nothing but Ripen now, to try and get them finished in the next 11 days. That's all they've got in fact, they are defo coming down on the 5th at the very latest. :deal:

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KC36
Flower Day 31
EC 1.2
pH 6.0
Av. 43

[CB]

nice donky dinks there:D hope they fatt'n up for you bro


:pass:

[tripps]

Hi, Bud! Other than shedding their nitrogen, they look pretty good to me. If you don't like 'em, box 'em up and send 'em over. :D

[Foxy]

nice donky dinks there:D hope they fatt'n up for you bro

I didn't think I left any pictures of me in shot??? :shrug:

Hi, Bud! Other than shedding their nitrogen, they look pretty good to me. If you don't like 'em, box 'em up and send 'em over. :D
Tell you what, swap?!!? I'll have your outdoor lot in exchange for these "lovelies". :deal: Posted in a plain jiffy bag ok? :D

[Pistol Pete]

Works A Treat
Did Your Authentic Adjustashades Come In A Black Box With A Sticker Inside Claiming Genuine Product ( Australian)
The Defender Model Is The Only Glass Coated Version
Heavy Pebbled Versions Are Just Plain Aluminum After They Stopped Making The Steel White Powder Coated Versions
I Have A Jetstream Like This One, BUT ; The Adjustashade (600 Watt) Is Able To Be Placed Closer To The Plant Canopy
10 Inches For A 600 Is As Intense As A 1000 Watt Lamp;)
PP

[Shadows]

Dont know if I agree with the natural nitrogen leaching as the cause for those colors. Nitrogen leachin would start at the base of the plant and work its way up. The lower leaves in his pics look good, its mid way up that they start looking like crap. At that, I'd say its a immobile nutrient that is causing the issue, whats you Calcium addative? or do you use one?

[Pistol Pete]

I Also Agree With other Comments In Regards To Their Using Up Their Nitrogen ( And Carbohydrate Reserves )
I Bought A Product Called Carbo Load Which Was Supposed To Kick In At Around This Stage When Yellowing Of leaves Begins , But Just Want To Add It Was A Total Waste Of Money
Darn Ad Newts , This Is The Third Product I've Bought And Been Dissapointed With ( And A B.C Company Too !!:eek:)
Never Again
PP

[Foxy]

whats you Calcium addative? or do you use one?
I don't use one Bro. :shrug:

Unless you spot something really wrong that I should address mate, I'm not too worried because there's sooooo many different phenos here and some are happily dark green from top to bottom, some are not. You can't please all the people/plants all the time (from seed at least) so I've just been going by the average, i.e. what the EC meter says to do. ;)

I have got some Calcium if you think I should add it, but I'm guessing that you think maybe too much Calcium has locked out other stuff maybe?

Thanks Matey. ;)

[Shadows]

I would say it looks more like a deficiency of Ca or some highly concentrated wind burn, since it almost looks localized. or maybe you just have similar strains right there in the middle of thing that just aren't happy.

From what I recall... higher transpiration rates increase the plants need for Calcium, so wind burn and -Ca should show some similarities. Check the main stem where the buds branch off, if there a almost clear looking bulb right there at the node? If there is, then your Ca may be alright, but if its not you'll need to tap them up a bit.

BTW, you being the hydro guy you are and having been growing as long as you have, Im sure you'll agree with me to some extent that as long as you are feeding the plants right, they will stay green right through 8 weeks of flower. Natural leaching happens in nature, but I'll bet it has more to do with enviromental conditions causing the change, then it is the plant refusing the nutrients and eating itself instead. I know in my time, I've harvested plants green from top to bottom at 8 weeks of flower, because I never cut nutes to flush.

I have not seen Lollie around in a long while, but when she was growing and journaling, she was taking her plants 3 or more weeks past their projected harvest time and they always stayed green until she cut the nutrients. .02

[Foxy]

Thanks for your time ND, I really appreciate it. 2thumbs

I would say it looks more like a deficiency of Ca or some highly concentrated wind burn, since it almost looks localized. or maybe you just have similar strains right there in the middle of thing that just aren't happy.

Being open with you, there's quite a few things that I've been very lazy with on this grow, starting from the very beginning when they seemed a bit weak and sensitive compared to the other strains I've been growing for a while. That wouldn't of been enough to make me lose interest but then the kick-in-the-nuts male to female ratio and the huge variations between the few females at the beginning of flower made me just wanna finish this up quick and do a proper grow with the clones of only the best of them.

So... tank changes haven't been as regular as they should've been, pH hasn't been adjusted as keenly as normal, EC rises have been left for a day or three, etc., etc. Then add to that the full transplant they suffered and re-veg and now the odd light schedule, I'm surprised they are producing anything. :rolleyes:

In fact, I've probably paid more attention to their clones than I have to them.


BTW, you being the hydro guy you are and having been growing as long as you have, Im sure you'll agree with me to some extent that as long as you are feeding the plants right, they will stay green right through 8 weeks of flower. Natural leaching happens in nature, but I'll bet it has more to do with enviromental conditions causing the change, then it is the plant refusing the nutrients and eating itself instead. I know in my time, I've harvested plants green from top to bottom at 8 weeks of flower, because I never cut nutes to flush.


It's interesting you say that Matey 'cause Burnsy appears to be able to do the same thing as you, keep em green till the end. I never have. :shrug: I can always remember the signs of Autumn (Fall) coming to my grows and by the end most fan leaves are pale and falling off. That's across all the strains that I can remember anyway.... :shrug: I've attached 3 different "last pics" before the chop to show you what I mean. Maybe it's something I'm doing wrong? :o

[CB]

I can always remember the signs of Autumn (Fall) coming to my grows and by the end most fan leaves are pale and falling off.

same here, but always start from the bottom and work's up

myself I would hit them with some cal-mag to stop/slow down the damage. but it seems you just want to crop this lot and move on to better pheno's so probly dont want to invest the $$

did you check the calcium sinks at the node junction's?

:pass:

[Foxy]

myself I would hit them with some cal-mag to stop/slow down the damage. but it seems you just want to crop this lot and move on to better pheno's so probly dont want to invest the $$

I've got some Calcium on its own if you think it's worth putting in CB, but bear in mind I wanna take them down in 10 days or less. :shrug:

did you check the calcium sinks at the node junction's?

I'm not quite sure what you guys are refering to (thanks for continuing my education ;) ) but I've taken pics of the worst looking plant where the branches meet the main stem... From what Shadows said I take it they should all have those little scrotum looking things?

[CB]

I've got some Calcium on its own if you think it's worth putting in CB, but bear in mind I wanna take them down in 10 days or less. :shrug:

ya was say'n not worth the effort really mate, new it was just days till crop:)


I'm not quite sure what you guys are refering to (thanks for continuing my education ;) ) but I've taken pics of the worst looking plant where the branches meet the main stem... From what Shadows said I take it they should all have those little scrotum looking things?

I dont see any Ca sinks in those piccy's.... on dailup at the mo. but did a fast search.... HERE's (http://www.homegrownbud.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2051&highlight=calcium+sinks&page=3) a good read starting at post 25.

the sinks are on the top side of the node's and are like half moon shaped, bridge'n the main stem to the secondary.

shadows point's that out HERE (http://www.homegrownbud.com/forums/showpost.php?p=17922&postcount=18) pic's 7 & 9

anyhow tiss a good read on Ca in that thread

:pass:

[Foxy]

anyhow tiss a good read on Ca in that thread

Thanks again Fella. ;) I had no idea about those. It's also evident that all my recent grows have had Cal def then, I've just checked the debris from my last grow (that I thought went well :shrug: ) and they don't have these Cal sinks either. :(

I've seen and know Cal def showing up as necrotic spots before, San and I battled it for what seemed like years, due to having to add so much pH down to our crap tap water, but since changing to more suitable nutes for my water I haven't seen any of "those" spots since.

Good news is, on a normal grow I'm hitting the gram per watt mark, so if I'm getting that already AND I address this deficiency I should be pushing the barriers of space and time!!! :woohoo:

[Pistol Pete]

In Ceazar Chronics Thread On Alternate PH Down Substances I Did'nt Mention , Nor Saw The Mention Of Chalk;)
Congratulations On The Gramme Per Watt Return ( I Personally Consider Such A Good Yield More Than Adequate If I Know To Know My ( And The Plants) Limitations , And Refrain From Adding Another Product Other Than Water For Flushing And Improving Taste, Texture , Etc.
F,W,I,W; I Tried GHE Ripen For The First Time This Year During Our Soggy Summer:(
I Saw No Difference In The Plants At All ( It's Now 50% Off @ GW:rolleyes:)
Very Nice Grow, Inspiring For Sure:)
PP:)

[Mr Burns]

I should be pushing the barriers of space and time!!! :woohoo:
And your luck :2cents: coming into my journal taking the piss :deal:

So them white heads you have under your branches, have you tried Clearasil Ultra Deep Pore Treatment Scrub @ £11.50 for a 125ml bottle.
Not sure if it'll help your girls, but the ones who I see use it on tv dance around all giggly with happiness at its results 2thumbs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wcnZM-CVQx8

[Foxy]

Flower Day 38 of 42

Plain non-pH-adjusted water, and that's it from now until the end. There's some of them that look semi-reasonable and some that look just plain crap. But NONE have done anything close to what I would call "swelling"... :shrug: Also, you can see in the pics, there's no sign of any mature trichs either. :(

Now my self-imposed time limit of 42 days is because I'm going away for 4 days on Monday and I'm not happy about leaving a grow going when I'm away for more than one night.... but... what to do!?!? Unless they do some miraculous swelling over the next 4 days I'm sorely tempted to just let them carry on while I'm away. I WILL think about them while I'm away which is not ideal, but we all know that the majority of the final weight and potency piles on in the last few days....

I'll decide in 3 days. 2thumbs

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KC36
Flower Day 38
FLUSH
Av. 43

[CB]

have left my grow for 5 days.... DWC and soil


bear season can do that to us here lol

[majestyk5]

bear season can do that to us here lol

bears....wtf?
you's crazy, alfalpha!

[Mr Burns]

What about shortening the light period Basil or for peace of minds sake reducing the wattage whilst you're away :shrug:

Reducing the lumens is a compromise worth thinking about. 4 Days and you could come back and see another week in em and up the wattage again for a final push :shrug:

[Foxy]

have left my grow for 5 days.... DWC and soil

bear season can do that to us here lol

Very similar here CB, except minus the bears. :laugh:

.......... and it did involve a deal I did with my girlfriend to make up for postponing our main holiday for another 3 months. :o

I'm sure it'll all be ok, it just plays on my mind a little. I'm thinking about getting one of those cams you can privately view over the net.. anyone used one?

That product I was talking to Burnarse about called 3G has arrived...

[CB]

hey foxy, was pounder'n after read'n buttheads post and remember when fredo took his trip last winter he pulled the HID and setup the shop lights until he got back. just a thought.

TBO i try to time things better now as my 5 day trip was a worry'n like a mofo one.:mad: Had 2500 HPS going in a 6x6 room:eek:

safety first m8

:pass:

[Foxy]

Thanks for the idea Burnsy, and I completely agree CB. ;)

I'm going from Monday lunchtime and will be back Thursday evening and I had grand plans to make everything safe and worry free but I've run outta time. :rolleyes:

I've reduced the lights in the main room from 3 x 600's to just 1 (which I've put in the middle of the trays) and taken the fans/air exchange down to 1/2 speed from it's normal 3/4. With all 3 lights on and the fans on full the res has been lasting about 4 days so with the reduced light and transpiration I'm hoping they'll easily be ok with room to spare.

I've also got the next batch of clones sitting in 3" rockwool blocks, with the roots coming out the bottom on most. I had a great idea of a F&D table to look after those, which I got real cheap but time has run out on me now, so I won't be able to set it up. :slap: The clone tent that they are in ranges from 72-80 degrees and they are lit by a 4 light starbrite that's 50 cm away, so I'm hoping that if I water log them Monday morning they'll last till Thursday evening. I'm sure they will. ;)

[CB]

hope all goes well bro:D

:pass:

[majestyk5]

think positive thoughts. and we will too

[CylonBud]

Saying good luck Foxy with your trip and grow. :D

[CezarCronic]

Have safe trip Foxy :) remember to keep your buds hanging on a cool area :D

[Foxy]

Thank you very much for the thoughts Guys. 2thumbs

We were having such a great time we stayed till yesterday (Friday) and I needn't of worried, they could easily gone another 5+ days without intervention... I haven't even topped them up since back apart from to take 2 sweet leaves off for under the microscope. ;)

I dunno what you guys do but my loose routine of how I tell when they're ready is in the week-ish run up to the end, I watch for the first few brown pistils... Once I see them I watch the calyxes for signs of swelling... Only after that do I generally get the microsope out. :) I chop at mainly cloudy with the odd amber trich head, 'cause that suits what I like. :)

These lot haven't followed that though, basically, very little noticeable swelling. :( I'm blaming that on myself really, because there's so many different phenos here (amongst only 8 plants) that it's been impossible to get the nutes right for all. I think I could've done better though, because rather than going with the average needs of all 8 plants (as in obeying the EC meter) I should've nuted then higher, so the hungrier plants were fully well fed. Those, after all, were the ones that had the potential to produce the goods. ;) Instead, the "average" plants did ok but the potential producers were underfed. :slap:

I don't think I'm going to get anymore out of these, no matter what I do, so I think I'll bring them down today or tomorrow, so they'll finish at

Flower Day 48 - Finito

[Foxy]

I probably come across very negative about this KC36, which I don't mean to... I'm negative about this grow, for all the reasons I've already laboured, but there are a few phenos amongst the rubbish that show real potential. ;)

I've ditched all the clones that are from the phenos I've no interest in and will be doing a full "proper" grow with just the good 'uns. The reason for my interest in some of them can be seen in these pics. Just imagine if I fed them properly and those big long colas fattened up!? :eek:

[Foxy]

Well trimming this lot was a looooong hard slog... :mad:

Considering it was just 8 plants it took over 8 hours in total, over 2 days... finished at gone 2 this morning :mad:

One plant produced a real bountiful amount of pretty hard bud but as I was trimming it I noticed it wasn't sticky and didn't smell much.... Looked at it under the microscope and it had virtually no trichs at all, just a few stalks with no heads... :shrug: I haven't smoked any, but I can't imagine it doing much, so I'll probably end up binning it. :rolleyes:

Anyway, all hanging and drying. ;) Those shelves generally hold anywhere between 5 and 8 oscars when filled like that, so it could be ok, or could be a nice surprise! :D I'll know Monday. I already suspect the g/w will be pretty respectable but I'm FAR too vein to work out the g/w/m for this grow... sorry all.... :laugh:

I'm on my own tonight so I'm thinking of treating myself to a good curry with all the extras, Baraka on DVD, a few ice cold Bud's and some Apollo 11 bubble hash.... mmmmmmmm :smoke:

[Dawg]

Sweet drying rack!!!
nice harvest. :gthumb:

[Freakshow]

what a beautiful and bountiful harvest, Foxy. How's the smoke, my friend?

[CezarCronic]

Foxy looks like a real nice harvest man :cool:, those racks are full:eek:

[majestyk5]

now that is a cool drying rack. and it looks even cooler with all those nuggies on it.
great job
:D

[Foxy]

Thanks very much Gang, ;) I really appreciate it. 2thumbs

Those drying racks are real handy, there's 8 levels of space. I've actually bought a dedicated drying tent that I was going to try and do a proper review thread on, dunno if that's the sort of thing you folks want to see though?? :shrug:

It's all dry already. :woohoo: I think it's dry because there were no really dense buds, it was mainly lots of airy stuff.... Total weight: 28 oscars. :cool: I'm reasonably happy, considering everything they've been through, BUT.... for 2 x 600 watt lights that's not great. :o 0.65 g/w is just about "good" for NFT. Some of you may be thinking, "What an ungrateful XXXXX" but just wait for my next grow.... I'll hopefully show a better example of what NFT can produce. ;) Fingers crossed anyway. :laugh:

I'll definitely grow this strain again, because if I fed them properly I reckon the yield could be stellar!! :)

How's the smoke, my friend?

Ahh..... the important bit!!! I'm gonna spark it up in a few minutes in my favourite silver palm leaf. ;) Back shortly.

[majestyk5]

well i hope you do get more on your next run.
28 does sound like a lot thou.
glad to hear it.
also i am interested in any thing MJ related. if you do a "dry" run i would like to hear about it

[CB]

if you do a "dry" run i would like to hear about it

same here:)

[Mr Burns]

This dry run you talk of Basil :confused Would that be down the docks when the sailors are in town :shrug:

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[CRAZYTRAIN]

Can't wait to see you dial that shit in Foxy.
Peace,
Crazytrain

[Foxy]

well i hope you do get more on your next run.
28 does sound like a lot thou.

Thanks your Maj ;), I know I sound ungrateful for 28 it's just that that's way under the potential of this rig. :) Anyway, onwards.... :D

SMOKE....

Pre-cure: Even though there were many different looking phenos amongst the 8 plants, they each smoke quite similarly, just some of them being stronger than others. First few tokes, no feeling at all, I thought I'd royally f*cked up... :slap: then BANG!... real heady, up high, uplifting wave starts from the top of your head then flows downwards. It immediately had me dancing like a twat to the music in the film I was watching... :D This was closely followed by a few minutes of quite an overwhelmingly strong energy rush, which reminded me of the first few minutes after the first hit of a certain "white powder" when I was a responsibility free teenager. ;)

After about half an hour-ish, that changes, to a more mellow, but still energetic high. I felt very focused, extremely attentive and very interested in what I was watching and doing. Also, pretty creative.... I peeled, chopped and added several fresh ingredients to the shop bought curry I had and even cooked some side dishes (this is all at about 3am :laugh: ). I did of course eat it, but it's not toooo bad for the munchies either, which is good for me cos I'm a fat b*stard as it is! :D At any of this second, more mellow stage I could have gone to sleep at any point I reckon, but equally, if I'd had something to concentrate on I could have chosen to stay up till dawn. 2thumbs

Post-Cure: Either I've got used to it already or in cure it's lost nearly all of that lovely really energetic initial hit I described above... :( That's a real shame because I really enjoyed it. :rolleyes: Maybe when I grow it properly it will retain it post-cure. Still a really nice journey though, and good if you want to stay up. I'm thinking of staying up tonight and watching the US election results so this may well be my weapon of choice for tonight. :D

Taste wise, there's none really. :shrug: certainly nothing unusual or noteworthy. Smell wise, when I'm breaking it up to put in the pipe it smells EXACTLY like a tomato plant! I don't mean quite like it, I mean it smells the same... no weed smell, it's that same smell you get on your fingers when you rub a tomato plant stem. :D

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Well Gang, that's about it for this journal, the new clones are in and I'm going to start the new journal in a few moments. As usual, what I hoped was going to be a simple grow 'n show to properly introduce myself to you all turned into another reminder of how little I actually know. :laugh:

Thanks to everyones contributions (well, nearly everyone :rolleyes: ) in this journal and on this site I've learnt more in the last 3 months than I have in the last couple of years, so again, thank you all for continuing my education. 2thumbs

If I ever turn into the type of contributor here that comes across as thinking he knows everything and is not to willing test, push or experiment, you're welcome to hit me. Just not in the face or nuts. :cool:

Now go and subscribe to my new journal where I'm gonna break all records. :laugh:

[tripps]

Good job, Foxy. You and Burnsy's journals have helped me a lot. Sign me up for the new one.