Cezar's Hydro Adventures

[CezarCronic]

Well every body today i start in a new quest , working with a home made hydro system witch i design with the help and advices from good members , also will be working with Orquits nutrients because those are the only available here .

Clay pellets will be the medium , for veg period will use 25-10-15 or 20-20-20 and for flow time will use 10-30-15 bloom for orquits , have good PK boosters and plenty of good folliar application nutrient , mag , calcium and micro elements complex for extra help , all this can be apply folliar in case need 't

basically i build 2 system to work hydro , one small tray to root and grow clones made with a 45 litter tank and a tray with 12 x 26oz cups , one small salt water fish tank pump , clay pellets for medium .

the tray will fill to the top with nutrients and has one small hole in the baton to drain went pump turns off , near the top are several medium size holes to drain out went water reaches the top from the working pump , the 26 oz cups are full of very small holes to fill and drain easy .

Is working now with 3 clones to test the equipment performance.... hope to work fine too :rolleyes:

The bigger set is made with 6 x 22litter buckets , a plastic back yard table up side down with no legs as a big tray , this tray will be on a 1.10 x 1.0 mt table hight enough to put the rectangular 75 litter reservoir tank under.

One big salt water fish tank pump 700 gallons per hour , to this pump will be 2 x 5 output gang valve to attach small hoses to take the nutrients to each buckets , the buckets will have a small hole on the baton and several small holes near the neck to drain out went water level reaches the neck of the bucket, from the bucket to the large tray and from the tray to the reservoir tank by gravity :D .

This one is almost finish , i just need to buy the buckets and build the table for the tray:rolleyes:

Also have to make clones to place in the buckets too , so for now the small set with the rooting clones on the way and later to the other set of large buckets:bananna:


Hope everything works fine in this adventure in Hydro here with so many lac of product to do this :p..

Peace to all and will post progress of all this , today the small set up and now ready to start working :D


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[majestyk5]

looking goood bro

[Solidopc]

Good luck man, and excellent diy skills. Much respect.

[Mr Burns]

First off I want to say this Cezar. That is the tidiest home built tote F&D chamber I have seen. Period.
Totally professional and IMO even marketable :)

Just one thing. What you say here....

near the top are several medium size holes to drain out went water reaches the top from the working pump....
Would these holes let the excess fluid drain back to res with the pump running. Are they sufficiently large enough to be called the 'overflows'?

Besides that my only remark would be to cover them with some panda plastic or similar to cut the light out from the roots.

I'm quite taken back at the speed of build and how bloody good that looks. Fuggin awesome Cezar.... fuggin awesome 2thumbs

[that guy]

Gotta agree with Mr Burns, there. Very professional looking.

Hope all works out for you.

All the best,
TG

[tripps]

Great job, Cez, how about coming over and building me a couple, I promise to keep you stoned. :D

[CB]

looks great indeed,

the 20-20-20 is nice to have on hand for veg and flower both;) I make up a tea bout the same for mid flower use and also like to feed same bout 3 week's into veg...

look forward to the grow


:pass:

[CezarCronic]

majestyk5 looking goood bro


Thanks Majestyk5 , please relax and enjoy this ride bro and don't forget to smoke a nice fat one in the proses !!!:D Peace friend ;)


Solidopc Good luck man, and excellent diy skills. Much respect.


Thanks man , its better to build your own stuff and save good money , at the end your work will pay better for you then anything us :)...Peace and stay around friend :hippy:


Mr Burns First off I want to say this Cezar. That is the tidiest home built tote F&D chamber I have seen. Period.
Totally professional and IMO even marketable


Thanks a lot Mr Burns for suck kind words , i sure like to build stuff to look and preform the best i can achieve with my ability ;)


Just one thing. What you say here....

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Originally Posted by CezarCronic View Post
near the top are several medium size holes to drain out went water reaches the top from the working pump....
Would these holes let the excess fluid drain back to res with the pump running. Are they sufficiently large enough to be called the 'overflows'?


Yes the holes are for excess fluid to drain out went the pump is running , they are about 3/8 and 6 of them one next to the other , i thing is fine but maybe i should make 3 or 4 more holes. i could made a big hole but i try to see if works this way fine as overflows :rolleyes:

since last night the tray is working fine with 3 not to great clones and one new sprout seedling i place today to test the tray with seedling too .:)

Besides that my only remark would be to cover them with some panda plastic or similar to cut the light out from the roots.


Well Mr burn i do have the top cover for the tray , came with it too , I'm trying to figure the way I'm placing this on top with holes to fit the plants and having enough space to work with the plants:rolleyes:

Here is a pic of the top cover for the tray !!

Also i have to get me a chiller , here temps are to hot , and this months are the hotter ones :( , I'm trying to keep temps around 18°C but takes to much ice to manage those low temps and water PH keep ricing from the melted Ice with doesn't keep temps in place for longer them 1 hour and they go back up to 25°C to close to 30°C , i think i need a chiller to work with Hydro here :halol:

But like always I'm trying to make something home made to deal with this minor problem:rolleyes:


tripps Thanks a lot bro , man for sure i'll go and build you as many you need man as long i can dive in to those buds your harvesting is cool with me , the only problems is I 'll be very stone man so time will be slow working rate man:D

CB thanks a lot for the comments and advices regarding 20-20-20 . very good to know that friend :) .

Will keep posting all progress , soon will put together the big set the larger plants and grow them to flowering time , also i have to build another table with tray and buckets for flow room , this one will come righr after i finish the one for veg room , hopefully this coming week i'll be finish with the first one:D




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[Mr Burns]

I was going to suggest cutting holes in the tray lid so that the pots were held off the bottom of the tray. You could then also lift the whole lot out, root zone included, to clear the drain holes should the roots block them. Lifting just one pot out when all the roots have entwined would be a nightmare!
The only thing is, I don't think there would be enough meat left in that lid once drilled out.

Could you use something else and drill that? Or have you the means to strengthen the lid once drilled?

Looking good Cezar.

[CezarCronic]

Mr Burns I was going to suggest cutting holes in the tray lid so that the pots were held off the bottom of the tray. You could then also lift the whole lot out, root zone included, to clear the drain holes should the roots block them. Lifting just one pot out when all the roots have entwined would be a nightmare!
The only thing is, I don't think there would be enough meat left in that lid once drilled out.

Could you use something else and drill that? Or have you the means to strengthen the lid once drilled?

Well Mr Burns that is a very good Idea;) i start thinking hard on it after you mention 't bro , i tough of that a bit went i start buying stuff and the reason why i got the tray with a cover:)

The only solution i can come up with is to open the holes and to make the cover resistant to hold the weight of the cups with the plants and water is to fine the way to re enforce the week plastic top with fiber glass or maybe a hard plastic or also i can make another top just like this one but out or fiber glass or hard plastic sheet from a old shower door:p

Thanks a lot My Friend Burnsy your very helpful bro ..appreciate :)



Well i got one seedling ont the tray to keep my test regarding water temps and how to control 't . I'm sure I'm getting the chiller because i really need 't here is to dam hot to keep temps control with ice , i put 3 x 26 oz blocks of Ice inside and the best i can get in 19 to 20°C and doesn't last for more then 2 hours and then temp reach the 30°C mark , also this rises the water level in the tank to much and keep dropping ph level down for the amount of ice need 't to work with this method:rolleyes:.

Final line I need a chiller :p soon so I'm looking for one because I'm growing Hydro for Sure man:D

Here is a pic of my little seedling on the tray looking good , also 2 clones but this clones ware in bad shape so i place them to see if they can recover , until now they look better then before:D

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[CylonBud]

You could put the ice in plastic bags or better freeze water in plastic bottles. This way the ph isn't affected and you can keep refreezing them. Have a few freezing while some are being used. You could also just run a length of of hose with a coil in the freezer with a small pump and circulate the nute water through it to chill it without buying the chiller.:D

[Foxy]

Gotta be in for this one. 2thumbs

Can't wait to see how your system performs! ;)

Best of luck sorting your res temps. :)

[CezarCronic]

Thanks a lot guys for all comments and recommendations i sure appreciate a lot , with all the heat problems with temps I'm going forward with my hydro try , I'm using plastic bags full with blocks of ice , and plastic bottles frozen with water to keep temps under control in my small setup .

the bigger setup still under developing stage as you all know trying to make a water chiller some how :rolleyes: , everything us i got already:D

In the smaller setup i have one seedling , one fresh cut clone and the very unhealthy clone i place and is looking a bit better , the seedling in growing fine maybe not at the speed a would if temps ware more stable at 18°C:rolleyes:

The fresh cut looks ok and the system is working fine, temps are the only problem :p. but I'm trying to solve the problem..:D

Here are some pics of how is the system doing so far , hope to start the bigger one soon :cool:

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[Mr Burns]

Lookin good Cezar 2thumbs

Just one thing, IMO you and the plants may benefit by lowering the drainage holes in the support tray. It looks like a healthy amount of nutrients left in the support tray and I'd be concerned of algae forming considering there is no light block.
I drain mine down completely :2cents:

Lookin good Cezar :gthumb:

[hazewarrior]

Have you thought about looking for an old drinking fountain or water dispenser? The kind that you would find in a doctors office or break room. If you can rig the water intake line to a pump from the res you might have a neat little chiller. :hmmmm:

Sorry if it was already mentiond. I didn't read the entire post. :)

[larfin1]

nows theres a good idea hazewarrior.

[CezarCronic]

Mr Burns Lookin good Cezar

Just one thing, IMO you and the plants may benefit by lowering the drainage holes in the support tray. It looks like a healthy amount of nutrients left in the support tray and I'd be concerned of algae forming considering there is no light block.
I drain mine down completely

Thanks for the recommendations Burnsy , the tray drains completely after the pump turns off ;) in the pic the pump is running and the tray if fill with nutrients.

The tray has 6 over float holes and one small hole in the baton to drain after pump turns off :D.

hazewarrior Have you thought about looking for an old drinking fountain or water dispenser? The kind that you would find in a doctors office or break room. If you can rig the water intake line to a pump from the res you might have a neat little chiller.



Haze thanks bro , someone suggested that before but i look deep in to it after you post mention this again and guess what i found here laying around in my house??

A water filter i use for my Night Club to have cold water in the ladies Dressing room:rolleyes: .....ah Ladies:p

I start to put this one a part and i think this will work , if you all see the pics , the small unit and on top the reservoirs for the cold water has a coper coil rap around , this coil is where the freon gas circulates and gets the reservoir cold ,

I'm thinking on placing this coil inside the reservoir tank with nutrients and since no one is drinking this water i think will work to chill the water, also this filter has a thermostat i can use to control water temp.

The only problem is if ever a leak will contaminate the water with oil and freon but i thinks is a risk i have to take:rolleyes:

since the water will be circulating i think this small coil will work fine , this is made ti chill water to drink and keep chilling the down falling water from the big bottle on top so a should be no problem to keep chilling the same water circulating :D

Right now I'm using frozen plastic bottles to chill the water like you all suggested :D

What do you guys think of this one ?

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[CylonBud]

Sounds good if it's big enough. If not it will still be good as it should greatly reduce the times you have to toss a frozen bottle of water in. :D

[tripps]

My neighbor just found me a slushy machine, he was gonna scrap it, he said the chiller is the only part that works. I thought of you right away til I asked him what it weighs. 80-90 pounds, he guessed.:(

[that guy]

A night club, huh? Sounds like an interesting business to have, along with the fun hobby:D

That water fountain sounds perfect. It should do the trick perfectly.

You know, that was one of the reasons I chose coco over pure hydro. I didn't want to deal with water temps and aeration stones.

Looks like it's not a problem for you, though!

All the best,
TG

[CezarCronic]

Thanks Cylon hope a works man but first i have to get it fix ;)

Tripps that chiller will be nice to have here bro but 90 pounds is to heavy :p , thanks for remember my need for one ;)

Guy thanks man for the coco and perlite input , i think is a good way to go , I'll try to get this going if not definitive will do like you and have passive hydro :)




Well everybody I'm not to great in my quest , right now I'm dealing with very hot temps so water bottles are flying in and out to keep water temp around 20°C:p , the other problem in very slow growth and they not looking to great , maybe some of you can tell me what I'm doing wrong here:rolleyes:


EC= 0.50 PH= 5.8 using orchids fert 25-5-15 or CHRYSAL 7-3-7 .

Pics will show yellowing leaves like a Micro def or some nutes def , hope to get this going or i will start with coco and perlite as passive Hydro , still will keep this small set and try to make 't work :D.

Temps are very hot here so a chiller is a must , still got the freezer but i think I'm getting to complicated and the main reason to do Hydro is to safe a bit of work not get double the work and bring more problems to the table.

Still I'm not giving up so easy guys so give me an idea to whats wrong with the plants here :(


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[tripps]

Too wet, maybe? How often and for how long are you flooding them?

[that guy]

You may even want to go to a pet supply store and get an air pump and airstone. Skimmed the thread, and didn't notice you mention one. If the clay pellets are going to remain underwater, you should have one. I do believe it's required for a DWC system which is essentially what it is if it remains underwater.

Do you think it would be possible to rig an AC with the condenser in the water? That would keep the water cool, only problem is it might keep it too cool.

Also, I know you said your nutrient/supplement availability isn't too good, but I think humic and/or fulvic acid supplements could go a long way.

They chelate the nutrients, and make them more readily available to the plant. Decomposing living matter makes the acids, so soil contains them naturally. Water obviously does not, so adding it (to my understanding) helps tremendously in hydro setups.

I do believe sugars and molasses also chelate nutrients, and would be much more available to you. If you can get molasses, I understand animal feed quality (known here in the US as blackstrap) is the best to use, as it also contains N-P-K, as well as trace elements and minerals. Use it at a rate of 1-2 tsp per gal, or 1.25 to 2.5 ml per L.

Hope that info helps! My earlier offer to help you get anything still stands.

All the best,
TG

[that guy]

BTW, IMHO that looks like overwatering.

[Mr Burns]

Cezar you gotta do something now cause that pythium will give you a freakin headache buddy.

I can think of two emergency measures.

1: You could try and source the biggest plastic tote that will fit inside the fridge and use that as a new 'remote' res inside the fridge.
Keep the set up you have now as it is, but drill a hole in the bottom of the current res and fit a drain fitting and hose going back to the new res in the fridge. This will make the original res a 'catchment tray' directing the nutes back to the new res in the fridge.
You'll need to turn the fridges thermostat to its highest C/F setting and probably if still too cold use a timer on the fridge socket. Opening the door to let warm air in has its own issues of having the fridge pump on 24/7 and uneven temps in the fridge. The incoming warm air would also hit your res first :(
Try putting the fridge on a timer and adjust the on and off times to get the desired res temp. If you can remove the small freezer door all the better cause the fridge will cool quicker ;)

2: Much more work but I was thinking to build a box bench so all sides are ply, and cut a hole in one end the size of the fridge. Take door off fridge and place in hole.
On the table top you could carefully jigsaw out holes the size of the inside lip of the res you are using now, kinda like an inset kitchen hob. Drop into hole and be cooled by the fridge and an oscillating fan inside the box bench.

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These ideas I came up with off the top of my head whilst reading your latest entry, and are to get you out the shit Cezar, although idea 1 I think you really ought to consider.
There may be a thermocouple from another white appliance that you could swap with the fridges making it a highly viable idea, with no switching on and off of the fridge.

[CezarCronic]

tripps Too wet, maybe? How often and for how long are you flooding them?

Thanks tripps i think your right bro i been running that pump almost 24 hours , now I'm working to about 5 times a day for 2 hours at a time .




that guy You may even want to go to a pet supply store and get an air pump and airstone. Skimmed the thread, and didn't notice you mention one. If the clay pellets are going to remain underwater, you should have one. I do believe it's required for a DWC system which is essentially what it is if it remains underwater.

Do you think it would be possible to rig an AC with the condenser in the water? That would keep the water cool, only problem is it might keep it too cool.

Also, I know you said your nutrient/supplement availability isn't too good, but I think humic and/or fulvic acid supplements could go a long way.

They chelate the nutrients, and make them more readily available to the plant. Decomposing living matter makes the acids, so soil contains them naturally. Water obviously does not, so adding it (to my understanding) helps tremendously in hydro setups.

I do believe sugars and molasses also chelate nutrients, and would be much more available to you. If you can get molasses, I understand animal feed quality (known here in the US as blackstrap) is the best to use, as it also contains N-P-K, as well as trace elements and minerals. Use it at a rate of 1-2 tsp per gal, or 1.25 to 2.5 ml per L.

Hope that info helps! My earlier offer to help you get anything still stands.

All the best,

Guy i think over water is part of the problem , i was thinking on that idea too , the one about the AC condenser , its something to keep in mind , the only thin i see is another large amount of watts to the breaker panel :(.

I use Fulvic and humic acids in a 15% formula i have , also i use alcohol free molasses in my plants all the time , thanks for the input tough ;)

To use an air pump i can get an aquarium type for fish tanks , this will increase oxygen in water :) , thanks bro


1: You could try and source the biggest plastic tote that will fit inside the fridge and use that as a new 'remote' res inside the fridge.
Keep the set up you have now as it is, but drill a hole in the bottom of the current res and fit a drain fitting and hose going back to the new res in the fridge. This will make the original res a 'catchment tray' directing the nutes back to the new res in the fridge.

Thanks Mr Burns for your ideas and comments , i do like the idea of the tank inside the freezer ;) and use the other tank as a catchment tray , but i have one question do i place a pump to push water inside the freezer connected between the out tank and the freezer to push water inside the freezer tank and another hole with hose to take the water back to the catchment tray ?? would this work ??:rolleyes:

You'll need to turn the fridges thermostat to its highest C/F setting and probably if still too cold use a timer on the fridge socket. Opening the door to let warm air in has its own issues of having the fridge pump on 24/7 and uneven temps in the fridge. The incoming warm air would also hit your res first
Try putting the fridge on a timer and adjust the on and off times to get the desired res temp. If you can remove the small freezer door all the better cause the fridge will cool quicker

Bursy if the freezer works and i need to adjust down the cooling , they have a nob to adjust to minimum temp this will work to keep the water at 18°C , reason is to hot here so water will freeze in this conditions and i can always use a timer like you suggest too;)

What do you think on using a seal tank inside the freezer with the washing machine water pump pushing water in to the reservoir tank ??



appreciate all help from all members thanks a lot ..peace

I can get a 75 litter plastic drum with a secure cap , they are sold here to carry extra gasoline in boats , they are very seal and strong , this will have 2 holes with hoses attach and went water is push inside the reservoir seal tank have to go back to the tray by the pump pushing??

[tripps]

I think you should flood for only 15 minutes at a time.

[CB]

i been running that pump almost 24 hours , now I'm working to about 5 times a day for 2 hours at a time .





DWC guy here but pretty sure that is over kill there..... 10 minutes every 4 hours if not longer i believe... the plants cant get air if flooded that much.

peace

[larfin1]

Just for interest sake i use the balls as a medium too , only i feed for 5-10 minutes on the hour and every 2 hrs at night. I also keep my tubs higher than nute containers so they self drain.
I also run an one aquarium filter between 2 nutes tubs ( only for conveniance, it was suggested i run it in each plant tub but that seems like overkill to me.
It looks like over watering to me too CezarCronic.

[that guy]

CB, I've never grown true hydro, so correct me if I'm wrong, but wouldn't an airstone and proper res temp allow Cezar to run that water pump 24/7?

I was under the impression that hydroton needed water all the time, even in a drip system.

Can you even use it in a flood and drain?

Good luck, Cezar!

All the best,
TG

[Dawg]

Is this a ebb n flo (flood n drain) setup?
Everywhere I read most only run the pump for 5 minutes every two hours or something. Even read some do two 15min. floods one after lights on and right before lights off. I've used hydroton before and it holds water pretty good. Plus every FnD grow journal i seen only fills the net pots to the 1/2 way mark no higher.
I'm not a hydro guy, but does look like your flooding too often.
Mr. Greens I grow chronic show (i can PM ya a link) goes step by step with a FnD system.

[tripps]

I wouldn't mind a link, thanks in advance

[CezarCronic]

tripps I wouldn't mind a link, thanks in advance


Me too Dawg , i love the link man that way i can do some reading on the subject , thanks in advance man ;)


Well guys i got more serious about this so i place the tray system on top of a wood table under 400wMH and place a Digital Timer with 10 x on and off daily program , i can set 10 on and off settings to each day of the week different if i like:cool: .

Well now since I'm working the float tray only short periods of time the water stays cool for longer time and I'm using less pop bottles :D.

I set the timer and i want you all to tell me if i got this good enough to not over kill the plants , please remember here where I'm from temps are extremely hot all the time and inside veg room is always 90s so i set the timer to float for 20 minutes every 2 hours and 30 minutes between floats and one 15 minutes float 3 hours after light out .

The plants are looking a bit better since i stop the continues floats :rolleyes:.

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[CB]

The plants are looking a bit better since i stop the continues floats :rolleyes:.



good to hear bro.... less is more in hydro;)

watch for new growth


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[CezarCronic]

Well guys today I been busy , i re design my Hydro tray , i was thinking that the 26oz cups ware to small and 12 clones in one small tray was to many , also the proplem with the roots been expose to the light because cups ware transparent , so many little thins in my mind make me make some change in the original design :rolleyes: ,

I had some 1 gallons plastic olive containers and they are white plastic so roots are more protected and also nice size pot for clones , i can only fix 5 of this one gallon little buckets but they will do very good .

I open one hole in the baton of the pot and 10 holes near the neck for over float , i place the big pump inside the reservoir tank and reduce to 3/16 and split to 4 hoses and place this 3.16 hoses inside each pot , the 5th pot is working with the small pump by it self , now they float and release the over float to the tray and the tray floats too and I'm not sure if i shoud open bigger holes in the tray to avoid floating :rolleyes: ,

this way will be more water in the reservoir tanks and i think using only the tray is not height enough to float the pots and only will have water less them haft way so i place hoses inside each pot to fill the pots to the neck and them drain by the one hole in the baton.

What do you guys recommend me to do ??

Should i open bigger holes in the tray to make the water get back to the reservoir tank faster or keep using the tray as a float device too??

By floating only haft way would the plants preform the same way if they are fill to the neck??

What do guys think of the new design ?? :D

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[tripps]

I've never done it, Cez, but from what I've read, I think people only flood the plants half way. Hopefully someone with practical experience will chime in.

[majestyk5]

i know nothing about hygro ceazar, but keep tweeking and you'll get it in shape. it looks good to me

[Mr Burns]

Cezar I flood to near the top of the medium. My reason being I can't see where the roots are in my medium of rockwool and I want 100% of all root matter being flooded at an early stage. Seeing you have a dense medium too, I'd do the same.

I have never had issues with the F&D technique but I will say this, as soon as the flood level has reached maximum desired height I want it start draining down with relative speed. If I flooded a 10 litre pot I'd want it empty within a minute of reaching maximum height, although 1 minute isn't critical. There's really no point in flooding the roots longer than a flash flood IMO. Once everything is wetted by the flood and drain cycle the roots will drink from the wetted root surface first and then go look for more moisture around your medium, ie: clay pebbles.
Its this purge in root growth you want which is establishing a good root zone, so just as CB says, less is more ;)
Flood it and get it drain down as quick as possible. This is simple to say though, as too larger holes to drain down means harder work to flood, so the balance here, to me, is opening up the drain holes progressively until you see the flood cycle starting to take just a few seconds longer, but will drain many many seconds faster.

Lastly, it looks like you're deviating away from true F&D having delivery tubes so you need to adjust the flood tray. Instead of having a slow drain seeing how you're now top feeding, you may as well open up the flood tray with a hole large enough to drain down at speed. In fact the faster the better now you're top feeding as you really don't want that depth of fluid hanging around.

Basically you should be looking at flooding the root zone and draining down swiftly. You want them nutes up around the roots and then back down into the res out of the light, out of the root zone and parked.

Something worth noting Cezar is if you had a single delivery tube from the pump and you were able to place it at the bottom of the flood tray, when the pump times out it would syphon the extra nutes back to the res faster than the small holes could drain it.

For now, get the fluid away from the root zones as quick as possible. Next time stick with the original pots and get the fluid away quicker with one of the above methods. I wish I'd have known you were thinking of re-potting them cause I'd have done my damnedest to stop you :mad:

Let me know what your thoughts are Cezar 2thumbs

[hazewarrior]

I experimented with flood & drain about 6 years ago. It works great once you get your water cycle down.

How often do you water?

The whole idea is to fill up the tray for about 5min while the clay balls get moist. Then let the tray COMLETELY dry because you don't want standing water. Monitor your clay balls so they DO NOT COMPLETELY dry out. This is the tricky part because everywhere is differant, temps, humidity, ect... Once they are almost dry you want to fill the tray again. Once you figure your watering intervals you will need to tweak them as the plants get bigger. They will drink more water and you will need to increase the number of times you water.

:hmmmm:I used to run the pump for about 10min, let the tray drain and do it again a couple hours later. I programed a digital timer to keep the intervals consistant. If I over watered or didn't let the tray dry out between intervals I would get gnats. Which, I'm sure you know what that is like. ;)

All I know is hydro & areo when it comes to MJ. Never could grow in dirt. :shrug:

[hazewarrior]

You beat me to it Mr Burns!! :) Grow on!!!!

[Mr Burns]

You beat me to it Mr Burns!! :) Grow on!!!!

Combined effort Haze 2thumbs

[CezarCronic]

Thanks very much Tripps majestik5 , Mr Burns and Haze warrior for the support in this home made hydro :D is good to be around helpful people :)


Mr Burns Cezar I flood to near the top of the medium. My reason being I can't see where the roots are in my medium of rockwool and I want 100% of all root matter being flooded at an early stage. Seeing you have a dense medium too, I'd do the same.

Great Burnsy i made the over float holes near the neck of each little bucket , this way went the pump fill the bucket the water level reach the neck;)


I have never had issues with the F&D technique but I will say this, as soon as the flood level has reached maximum desired height I want it start draining down with relative speed. If I flooded a 10 litre pot I'd want it empty within a minute of reaching maximum height, although 1 minute isn't critical. There's really no point in flooding the roots longer than a flash flood IMO. Once everything is wetted by the flood and drain cycle the roots will drink from the wetted root surface first and then go look for more moisture around your medium, ie: clay pebbles.

Each one gallon bucket has a small hole in the lower hole 1-16 from the batom , and drains in about 1 to 2 minutes:)


Lastly, it looks like you're deviating away from true F&D having delivery tubes so you need to adjust the flood tray. Instead of having a slow drain seeing how you're now top feeding, you may as well open up the flood tray with a hole large enough to drain down at speed. In fact the faster the better now you're top feeding as you really don't want that depth of fluid hanging around.


Well still a F&D system but now each bucket has a hose water supply but they fill from the baton to the top and over float goes out true to holes on top of each bucket , i didn't use the tray as float source because pots are to hight and then only haft of the bucket was going to get float :( and your are telling me is no good to do a haft fill float is better to fill the bucket to the neck:) .

I open 3 holes in the tray because this morning the entire room was floated with water and nutrients a small clay pellet block the small drain hole and the mess happen , now with the big pump water rises fast .

the tray is now the catch tray to take the fluid to the reservoir tank but still a float and drain system with multi hose feating system:D



Next time stick with the original pots and get the fluid away quicker with one of the above methods. I wish I'd have known you were thinking of re-potting them cause I'd have done my damnedest to stop you


This part got me confuse , do you mean you like better the other 12 small 26oz cups ???? or you 're suggesting to use regular pots ??? they don't fill to the top , to many holes :rolleyes:

about re-potting was that a bad move ???

I think by using this bigger pots i will get better yield then those small 26oz cups ??


Appreciate the help Bursy and sorry for so many questions friend :o

[hazewarrior]

Hey Cezar..... I think Mr Burns was gettin at it but why not go with the smaller pump and run drip lines to all the jugs? :shrug: If you use a couple lines per jug you should get even water distribution. IMO, No need to flood unless your doing true F&D? I've built every type of hydro system out there because I thought it would save me money. I know what your going through, lol. The biggest thing you are gaining is knowledge of your system. :)

Any particular reason you went with F&D... Sorry if you already mentioned it before.

[Mr Burns]

Cezar you're probably better off listening to what Haze has as he has experience in drip lines :2cents:

Also, forget the principle of F&D for this grow. Grasp what Haze is saying about drip lines because I can see and agree with the direction he's advising you to go.
Get what experience you can from drip lines and look back on this whole event and you'll probably see where you could have changed things, and maybe shouldn't have.
For now you need to keep these plants alive and not either give up or get lost in a mish-mash of hydro techniques, IMHO.

Take onboard what haze is saying Cezar and we'll look back when you reach harvest ;)

[CezarCronic]

Thanks very much guys i get the idea now if i use a float & Drain tray is best to use regular pots :D , i I will look for a bigger tray and reservoir tank to make one float and Drain tray system , this one is to small or maybe i could fill the entire tray with clay pellets and place 3 of 4 clones and use the tray as pot and float and drain??


Haze if i use the dripping system how many times should i water the plants daily and for how long??


Thanks guys for all the help appreciate :D

[hazewarrior]

Have you ever heard of the Water Farm from GH?

I have one and I've made one out of 5gal buckets. A very similar concept to what you can turn your table into. The GH WF system is actually a continuous watering system. If you use drippers I would say leave it running most of the time. Maybe, intervals during lights out. A small countinuos drip will keep everything nice and moist. (1gal/hr or less?) If your temps are high like you say a countinous drip should work great. Biggest problem with drippers is they can clogg after awhile. They have "non clogg" drippers but everything is prone to calcium build up. Like I mentioned, the key with these balls is to keep them nice and "moist". They are very pourus and can hold a lot of moisture and oxygen.

I would say tray size isn't the issue. There are many systems out there that are only 1'X1' or less. I built a small F&D system out of a 1'x1' plastic sink linner. ;)

The plant on the far right is in a continuos drip system that I built. Hope you can make it out. Your system could be based off the same principal.

[Mr Burns]

...maybe i could fill the entire tray with clay pellets and place 3 of 4 clones and use the tray as pot and float and drain??
You could, but lets concentrate on the direction Haze is going with drippers cause IMO its your only way forward if you can access drippers.
Lets get back to what coulda and what shoulda been when we've seen this grows harvest :gthumb:
Don't give up Cezar, just listen to Haze as he's in an ideal position to take you forward :2cents:

Kudos Haze 2thumbs

[CezarCronic]

Thanks Haze and Mr Burns , i think I'm doing both to see witch is best for me , tomorrow i will get and make another but this one with the tray fill with clay pellets and a small pump to float and drain , will try to get a plastic cooler as reservoir tank is to hot here so a cooler with help to keep water cool for longer time with my pop bottles:D


Haze there is no Hydro stores here or anything to get drippers , everything i have is made by me with my ideas and the help from all of you guys out there , is a do and try to see if works friend , the Jugs with the hoses will work as a dripping and float , is the best way i can , its easier to manage float and drain but pumps and dripping gear is out or my reach here:( , i like dripping systems but i have to work with what i can make from scrap and similar products to the original ones:p , its no easy man but i have the will and spirit to conquest obstacle's , Hydro is my way of growing but is not easy here to do it :rolleyes: not enough products available .


Thanks guys and i hope for some of this to work good but i have to try different way to find the easies for me ;)

Peace :peace:

[CezarCronic]

Well since i want to try the float and drain tray too i was looking around the house and found a old Coleman cooler i remove the top and i had a tray deeper then the other so went i place the tray on top of the cooler guess what ... its a perfect match looks like they ware made for eachother:rolleyes: ,

the one thin i like is the cooler will keep water cool for longer time and i have enough space on one side to work the pump , replace the pop frozen bottle with out taking the tray off , and also i have a drain hole in the cooler to drain the water out with out moving the reservoir tank:D .

My friend Burnsy here we go again with the float and drain tray , this one I'm filling with clay pellets to the top and place 4 clones inside:cool:

tomorrow will get a medium size submersible pump and a hose to take water to fill the tray .

So this way I'm running the 2 systems and lets see how they preforme :rolleyes:.

This is not all I'm also filling the big rectangular pot i bought to use as reservoir tank for the bucket system with coco and perlite 70 % coco and 30% perlite , this is a big pot so I'm placing 6 clones inside and this will be on top of the table tray to catch over water after watering and also to catch the water after flushing , also this big tray will be on top of a table with a small tank where the over water can drain .

This will be passive hydro and I'm using orchid's nutes :D


here pics of the new tray and cooler as reservoir tank for float & drain system

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This is the big rectangular pot is 35 inches long x 14 inches wide and 15 inches deep this boy is big and deep i think 6 clones is good for this one

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this plastic table will be under this pot and I'm getting another pot just like the one in the pic, to have 2 big 6 clones pots , this table will be on top of a 12 inches tall table to place a small catch over water tank . i will be feating by hand every 2 days , hope works good :D

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[that guy]

Haze, my buddy just bought a waterfarm. Those things are a combo of drip & DWC, huh?

Cezar, a system like that would be relatively easy to make. All it is is a 2 gal bucket inside of a 5 gal, with an air pump that manages to pump water up a column, and the 2 gal bucket has holes punched in the bottom to let roots grow through.

So with an air pump, a small water pump, and some poly tube, you could build one really easily. Those things seem pretty foolproof, too!

BTW, Haze, those waterfarms are ripoffs! I have a 16 lb tub of GH rare earth, and it's the small bucket from the waterfarm, just white! I can't believe they just use their packaging to make their hydro systems!

All the best,
TG

[Foxy]

You're lucky being practically minded Cez, I'm not, and I pay the price. :(

I've no experience of F&D, so nothing useful to add, just encouragement! :shrug:

[CezarCronic]

Thanks very much Guy and Foxy appreciate all the help and support from all members here is nice to be help and encourage 2thumbs


Well Im for real guys i don{t play around went i want to get something done i get to work , so i went out today and got me a pump , hose , pH kid , water thermometer , 2 x small rectangular pots .

I join together the 2 rectangular pots using aluminum rebids and join with rebids the pot rectangular tray upside down under the 2 join pots to play as a stand and keep the pots lift about 1 inch from baton , then i open lots of holes in the baton of the 2 pots now a bigger pot basket type , fill this 2 rectangular pots join together with Clay pellets .

Place 2 clones in each pot and i got me a real Float and drain tray system.

Right now is getting the second float as i write this reply:D .

i place the hose under the pots in the space between the baton of the tray and the pots this way water floats up true the clay pellets and push the pellets up went fillin , this is pure oxygen:D.

The tray drains in 1.5 minute after pumps turns off and the pump is big enough to push a good float of water to the tray.:cool:


My friend Burnsy this one is on you bro , thanks a lot for all the help 2thumbs


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[majestyk5]

looks like a nice setup. good work ceazar

[tripps]

I'm watching and planning. Hope you don't mind doing all the work.:D

[hazewarrior]

Haze, my buddy just bought a waterfarm. Those things are a combo of drip & DWC, huh?

Cezar, a system like that would be relatively easy to make. All it is is a 2 gal bucket inside of a 5 gal, with an air pump that manages to pump water up a column, and the 2 gal bucket has holes punched in the bottom to let roots grow through.

So with an air pump, a small water pump, and some poly tube, you could build one really easily. Those things seem pretty foolproof, too!

BTW, Haze, those waterfarms are ripoffs! I have a 16 lb tub of GH rare earth, and it's the small bucket from the waterfarm, just white! I can't believe they just use their packaging to make their hydro systems!

All the best,
TG


TG... I bought one of those things too and was dispointed when I looked at the manufacture stamp on the bucket, found out it was a local company. :mad: I would say it's more drip but its a very ingenous idea.:cool:

Cezar... There shouldn't be any reason why both of those designs shouldn't work. Any means to get those pots wet should work. Keep an eye on overwatering and try to through an air stone in your res. I know you need the dry ice to keep the water temps down. Not to sure if that would help to oxygenate the water but I think when put in water it releases CO2. :hmmmm:
someone please correct me if I'm mistaken.:)

[majestyk5]

ya isnt that how they made fake smoke in the movies.
lon chaney callin

[CezarCronic]

You're lucky being practically minded Cez, I'm not, and I pay the price. :(


My friend Foxy sure you are practically minded but life hasn't put pressure in your brain to open that window , we all can archive the impossible went we want something so bad and the circumstances are not in your favor , like i us to buy everything like you friend because everything was available around and a all i have to do was reach inside my wallet:rolleyes:

Then life put me in a place where almost nothing is available for this game and I'm a all time player :p with a good batting average ;) and there is no ball field here so i have to make one to play man:D

All I'm saying is if you want something and is not available , if you really wanted you have to run your hard drive in your brain and with the soft ware God gave you .... figure something out and do it :)

[CezarCronic]

Well gang i got this now working very good for the first time .

Now i got reservoir tanks and chillers at the same time :p they work not with power but with one pop bottle or maybe 2 a day , and i keep temps between 16°C to 20°C at all times:D

Went out today and got me a new Max Cold Coleman cooler with wheels:D , remove the top and place the tray with Jugs on top , fits perfect ;) , then i got some heavy duty white foam and cut 2 pieces to make hatches and fill the space on the tray side , this way the cooler will be almost close , the tray covers its space and the white foam hatches covers the open space :D ,

also i have good access to the water true that small hatch made from white foam , and have a drain valve on each cooler to empty the water as needed , i can also fit a bigger tray and place more jugs of do a F&D system with regular pots:D.

100% movable and operable ,

After i made the second set F&D one i realize the cooler was a great move and idea for my temp problems with out getting to complicated , i can still place the filter cooling system inside the Coleman cooler and have a chillers that will work because is not to much of an effort to keep water cold .

Temps are stable and the i litter pop bottle is working almost all day , before i was using 2 litter pop bottles and replacing them every 2 hors and still water was not close to 18°C or 64°F

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[tripps]

Nice work, Cezar!

[majestyk5]

looking real good cezar. good use of materials. :D

[Foxy]

Well done Fella, looking really sorted. 2thumbs

It may be different for your setup/system but I always aim for a water temperature of 21 deg C. :shrug:

I'm not saying change by the way, just pointing it out to maybe save you some work. ;)

[CB]

hey bro the grow is look'n good but just wondered one thing... the floor is spotless and i dont see drip trays under the poted up plants? how and where do you water the plants:D


grow on

[CezarCronic]

Foxy Well done Fella, looking really sorted.

It may be different for your setup/system but I always aim for a water temperature of 21 deg C.

I'm not saying change by the way, just pointing it out to maybe save you some work.


Thanks Foxy , is a good idea to do that and work between 18°C and 22°C , maybe i can safe me some pop bottles , will try to aim at 21°C :D



CB hey bro the grow is look'n good but just wondered one thing... the floor is spotless and i dont see drip trays under the poted up plants? how and where do you water the plants

CB i use drip trays in some and some don't yes don't have enough of drip trays, every time i water if any water drips out i cleaned , and always clean the floor every day at night before lights out , mop and use anti bacterial products .

Also i water each pot with one cup of water every 2 days , use a measurement cup to do this , is enough to water and not soak the medium and also not much of dripping under :D

Having my grow room spot less is the only way for me to work and grow;)

[CezarCronic]

Well gang Its getting better by the day , the clones are looking good in the 2 setups , the Jugs work very good they fill in about 1.2 minute and drain in 1 minute , still i do like very much the other setup with the F&D tray , water fills in 1 minute and drains in about the same 1 minute , this is possible because i place the feating hose under the pots with clay pellets so after the pump turns off water backs down true the hose and helps to drain faster :D.

Temps are great now , been able to have them stable between 17°C to 22°C , depending on temps outside is taking 2 or some times frozen 3 one litter pop bottles every 24 hours , this will be less went move to flow room , there temps are cooler maybe one pop bottle will do .


One thin i don't like to much is pH levels change every 24 hours to much , i set pH at 5.7 and next days is at 6.3 . i think the pop bottles are sweeting to much and bringing pH levels up.

I use a commercial farming product for pH down , not only adjust pH but also have minerals and very low levels of N - P , i need pH down my tap water is always pH 7.6 EC= 0.19 to 0.21 .

Well here are some picks of progress , they are growing nice now

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[tripps]

#1, FIRST CLASS JOB, CEZ!

[Mr Burns]

Should that be 'Cez the REZ' :laugh:

Anti bacterial wash down :shrug: that's dedication if ever I've witnessed it :watch:

What I did notice is your base EC is low, which is good :2cents: I work with a base EC of 0.8 which means you have one quarter of the crap in city water that I receive :mad3: This should help you no end CEZ the REZ ;)

So it looks like you're getting dialled in then? :greatjob:

[CezarCronic]

tripps #1, FIRST CLASS JOB, CEZ!

Thanks tripps , i hope works good true the end , then we can called a winer ;) , man i look to a couple of systems from a link i got from Burnsy and i just love to get one of those 4 buckets Hydro Pod Systems , if you are doing a F&D , get something like that dude :cool:.



Mr Burns Should that be 'Cez the REZ'

Anti bacterial wash down that's dedication if ever I've witnessed it

What I did notice is your base EC is low, which is good I work with a base EC of 0.8 which means you have one quarter of the crap in city water that I receive This should help you no end CEZ the REZ

So it looks like you're getting dialled in then?


Thanks Mr Burns appreciate a lot :D i have a phobia inside messy places i don't know why , maybe because i was rise in a military stile life :rolleyes: till i was 15 years old:p

Also thanks for the Link , is really impressive the stuff the sale , the DetachaPod system is awesome everything included :eek: great stuff , to bad they don't sale that stuff here :( .

They even sale small chillers for 300 and 500 litters tank :cool: .

Well maybe one day i 'll get my hands in something like that to work here :rolleyes:

The Multipod system is awesome , i think is one big monster system up to 100 pods:eek: but is a bit more expensive .

Thanks Burnsy for all the help bro , is been easier with the help from all members..... Peace :peaceman:

[that guy]

Did you get that air pump I talked about? I bought one, and my pH has remained stable since. The plants have been putting on faster growth, too!

Trust me on this one. I'm almost positive my problem with my SOG was a combination of my pH falling too far (my pH would rise for a day or two, then drop) and my adding too much pH UP over time, and it adding too much K.

All the best,
TG

[CezarCronic]

Did you get that air pump I talked about? I bought one, and my pH has remained stable since. The plants have been putting on faster growth, too!

Trust me on this one. I'm almost positive my problem with my SOG was a combination of my pH falling too far (my pH would rise for a day or two, then drop) and my adding too much pH UP over time, and it adding too much K.

All the best,
TG

Thanks guy , i haven't got the air pump but will look for one tomorrow dude ;) i like the idea too , always is good to increase oxygen levels in water went doing hydro , roots need oxygen to absorb nutrients:D

pH issues i think my problems is those pop bottles i put in to cool the water down , because pH always rises from 5.7 to 6.2 in 24 hours , maybe the air pump help a bit i don't know until i try:rolleyes:

Peace dude :peaceman:

[CB]

pH issues i think my problems is those pop bottles i put in to cool the water down , because pH always rises from 5.7 to 6.2 in 24 hours ,



i like mine to drift just a tad more than that every 24 hours till bout mid flower:)

I find in DWC the plant will balance it's self out pretty much and by let'n the PH swing both ways the plant will get the best of both worlds until it's time to settle down;)

grow on

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[that guy]

CB, you running on the assumption that since different nutes are available at different pH's, you run the gamut of full availability to the edge of availability for every nute, every 24 hrs? Interesting idea, sounds plausible!

[CezarCronic]

Thanks CB for the tip;) really makes perfect sense man , like that Guy saids the plants uses nutrients at different pH levels:rolleyes: , great then :cool: .


Well everything is sweet with the Hydro systems , they are working very nice , water temps are between 18°C to 22°C , EC=0.55 , pH= 5.7 to 6.2 ranging within 24 hours .

The Jugs are doing great and growing nicely , the F&D tray is also doing very good , leaves are greener then the jugs one:rolleyes: ,

I'm not sure went to put them in 12/12 to flow , i can grow them more and tap to get more side branches:hmmmm: or just flow them as they are now , only veg them for a bit longer:confused.. any suggestions will be taking well under consideration :)

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[CB]

CB, you running on the assumption that since different nutes are available at different pH's, you run the gamut of full availability to the edge of availability for every nute, every 24 hrs? Interesting idea, sounds plausible!

in DWC (only way i have done) i start the ph at 5.5 and let it drift up to 6.5, could take more than 24 at times:) then nock it back down

i find the plant to stablelize bout mid flower on ph and ppm with out any drift in either.

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Cezar the plants look good bro, enjoy peep'n in ya grows:D

grow on

:pass:

[tripps]

I let my ph vary a bit in Hempy for the same reasons, they seemed to do well. You grow a real stretchy sativa, Cez, I have no experience with them, everything I've grown to date has leaned toward indica, so no advice on vegging times.

[CezarCronic]

Thanks CB and tripps , I made my decision and transfer the 2 systems with 9 clones all together 4 in the F&D tray and 5 in the Jugs .

Now the are on the bench table about 10 inches from the floor and under 400w hps lamps .

since this clones do stretch i think is time to flow them before they get to big , even i could tap them and make a bigger bush but I'm also testing this home made stuff and i wanna know how they will preform.

set timer to float every 3 hours and only 15 minutes each time and 2 floats after lights out every 4 hours between floats .

Water temps 18°C to 22°C
pH = 5.6 to 6.2
EC = 1.00

room temps = 28°C during lights on andf 19°C during lights out

relative Humidity = 50% to 65%.

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Day 7th 12/12 , clones are growing very fast , the jugs system is a bit behind , i been having problems with my pH meter :( is really screw up :rolleyes: so 1 of the clones looks like has suffer from pH unbalance :rolleyes: .

To solve the problem ones and for all i purchase in the Capital City today a good pH meter . its a ENGINEERED SYSTEMS DESIGNS pH meter model 59 for $350.00 dollars :eek: ( can complain because was the best meter available ).

Comes in a small case with 3 buffering solutions ph=4 , ph=7 , ph=10 , electrode with cord attach , this are professional pH meters to work even with Chemical products , manufacture in USA , here a link of the Company and meters :http://esdinc.com/ph3.htm#Benchtop.

Ok from tomorrow i should not have any problems with pH readings , this meter is also good and very accurate for soil pH measurement .


Here are pics of the clones stretching up:cool:

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[Pistol Pete]

Lookin Good CC;)
Heres The Oxydator ( 100% Oxygen)
And A Few other Doo dads I Noticed Whilst Scouring Around
Things Are Settling Then?
Great
Pete:)

[Foxy]

Real nice looking growth Cez... 2thumbs

And luuuuuuuuuuuuuurvely pH meter too. ;) I'm jealous now. I'm gonna buy myself something. :D

[CezarCronic]

Thanks Pete and Foxy for your very encouraging comments , i do appreciated ;)

Today is day 12 (flow) , change the water in the reservoir tanks after 48 hours flushing the root system , start the bloom nutes 5-7-6 set EC 1.21 pH = 5.8 , plants are growing huge and looking very nice , the F&D system has the lead :rolleyes: the Jugs still a bit behind , no question to the better performance from the filling and draining tray , after this try the jugs will work as pots only and the tray will be a F&D like the other one:D

One good thin now in flow room temps are very well under control so I'm only using one frozen pop bottle a day :D

Clones start to show the first small flowers or pre-flowers , leaves are very dark green and healthy , Speed growth is fast and they look 2 times better them the ones in soil pots and they all went in 12/12 the same day:rolleyes:


Will post the pics later after i resize them :)

[that guy]

I'm so happy for you! Glad to hear that things have done a 180 for you!

Can't say I'm surprised to hear that the hydro is doing so much better than the soil!

All the best,
TG

[CezarCronic]

that guy I'm so happy for you! Glad to hear that things have done a 180 for you!

Can't say I'm surprised to hear that the hydro is doing so much better than the soil!

All the best,

As always thanks a lot my friend ;)


here are the pics i promise now day 13 in 12-12 , they are growing fast and strong , i can see the roots coming out from the baton holes rectangular pots in the F&D tray , very thick White roots are clearly visible:D

Love this man Hydro is a treat and lots of fun , no mixing medium ingredients , spending lots of hours filling pots :rolleyes: , no messy dirt and flushing is easier them watering soil plants :cool:

I know i can get the chiller here , all i need is a big Ebb system to make haft of my flow room hydro :cool: maybe some day :rolleyes:


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[Pistol Pete]

Hi There
Some Food For Thought :)
Pete:)

[Mr Burns]

Gotta love this pic. Ingenuity at its best!

Glad to hear its taken off for you Cezar. The best part to me regarding the medium is not having oodles of earth to either compost or cart away :)
We've already 7 compost bins and have trouble with excess material so being able to let the medium run away I find superb!

Good growing buddy 2thumbs

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[tripps]

Looks great, Cez, great workmanship on everything!

[CezarCronic]

Thanks very much Mr Burns , Pete and tripps for the nice comments:) , i love the F&D system :D the clones are huge to big i think and the stern is a fat stick with huge dark green leaves :cool: is to much to not appreciate , every single aspect is good , plants just grow big and strong .

This pic shows how much the have grow since last up date . only a few days a go:cool: . today i rise EC levels a bit , this plants are very dark green so I'm not rising EC levels to much , EC was at 1.21 and now i set it at 1.35.

pic is not to great but will post some more tomorrow ;)

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[CylonBud]

Damn Cezar they are going strong in your FD setup. Seems you got the knack for it. :D

[hazewarrior]

So what do you think Cezar??

Do you see a noticable differance in the hydro growth?

Looks great!:)

[Dawg]

lookin great czr :mmmm:
next time around I'd try snappin necks or screenin it and get them lights closer ;), but your showin these ladies off. Lookin great can't wait for them to pack on some wieght. :watch:

[Mr Burns]

So 'how is' Cezar :shrug:
Great to see you getting on so well with going wet 2thumbs
To pick up on what Dawg says I agree, them lights could be closer.

Its a little worrying when first going wet but when its going well the feeling of control to me was like just having passed an exam or won something unexpectedly.

Perhaps that's why we shit it when something happens out of the norm :) We never expect to win something unexpectedly or pass that exam :laugh:

[CezarCronic]

CylonBud Damn Cezar they are going strong in your FD setup. Seems you got the knack for it.


Thanks Cylon :)they looking big by the day is very impressive the performance from the F&D system , The Jugs ystem just can{t keep with the fast growth rate from the F&D :rolleyes:

hazewarrior So what do you think Cezar??

Do you see a noticable differance in the hydro growth?

Looks great!

Haze i see the different between all growth forms now:p , tell you something is lots of fun and less work also no soil to dispose or prepare:rolleyes: , one thin tough F&D is the one who's showing me a big different , Thanks for stopping by bro:cool:

Dawg lookin great czr
next time around I'd try snappin necks or screenin it and get them lights closer , but your showin these ladies off. Lookin great can't wait for them to pack on some wieght.

Thanks Dawg , i never tough they ware going to grow this big man:eek: they are huge now at day 22nd , net time i will top them for sure , i already tide there stern because went they start to get heavy they will fall down for sure :p


Mr Burns So 'how is' Cezar
Great to see you getting on so well with going wet
To pick up on what Dawg says I agree, them lights could be closer.

Its a little worrying when first going wet but when its going well the feeling of control to me was like just having passed an exam or won something unexpectedly.

Perhaps that's why we shit it when something happens out of the norm We never expect to win something unexpectedly or pass that exam


Thanks Mr Burns :), I'm sure having lots of fun with this , the F&D like you suggested is the one playing the good odds , the performance is to good , lots of think roots are coming out from under the rectangular pots , they just go and go , leaves are huge and very dark Green :cool:

The only problem is they got to big and I'm trying to keep the lamp as close as possible , now the reflector ia less the a foot from the top of the clones:eek: no worries about heat issues because the AC vent hits the reflector with a hurricane cool wind:rolleyes:

They drink the water with nutients so fast i have ti refill the reservoir tanks every 3 days or so .

Well today is day 23 = 12/12 for this nice looking Hydro clones , they look very nice and healthy , will flush them again at day 30 and after that i will set EC to 1.60 , right now is :

EC = 1.37
pH = 5.7
WT = 17°C to 22°C
RH = 55%

very sativa clones so they will bend after they get pack with buds , to prevent the bending they secure with strings to the roof :rolleyes:

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[Mr Burns]

They drink the water with nutients so fast i have ti refill the reservoir tanks every 3 days or so .

A thirsty plant is a very happy plant :thumb: Just keep things the way they are and don't jump the EC up too quick. If you do, watch its drinking patterns cause to much feed will slow the drinking process as a whole, as in for feed as well as just water.

Cezar what does the EC do when you get these drops :shrug: Do you only add more feed when topping up when the res gets low, or do you add nutes in between? Whatever the answers can you give the relative numbers?

Looking very sativa happy buddy 2thumbs

[CezarCronic]

Cezar what does the EC do when you get these drops Do you only add more feed when topping up when the res gets low, or do you add nutes in between? Whatever the answers can you give the relative numbers?

Mr Burns Went the water with nutrients level drops like every 2 days , i check the EC and is in the same level 1.35 , but pH levels do rise to about 6.2 , 6.4 every 2 days .

What i do is get a bucket fill with water them add nutrients to this bucket of water to EC=1.30 and adjust pH to 5.5 and then i refill the reservoir tanks , since i been using Sulfuric Acid ti lower pH, levels are more stable now , but EC is always stable:).

One question Do you Flush for more then 24 hours with water of for 72 hours??

[CB]

Mr Burns Went the water with nutrients level drops like every 2 days , i check the EC and is in the same level 1.35 , but pH levels do rise to about 6.2 , 6.4 every 2 days .

perfect Cezar:D here's a cheat cheat bro


Ec goes up, PH goes down=plants require less nutes.
Ec goes down, PH goes up=Plants require more nutes
Ec stable, PH goes up=Equilibrium=Good thang


:pass:

[CezarCronic]

Well today is day 28 12-12 and i empty the nutrients reservoir tank and fill with tap water, to flus over night as i was recommend by Mr Burns to do a quick flush , reason the plants as the pic shows are a bit of curling in buds developing leaves .

Plants are huge and starting to bud out , after thei quick flus i {ll set EC to 1.20 and PH 5.8 stable as possible .


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[CB]

Hey Cezar,

plant doesn't look all that bad IMO:) now you know where it's max EC should be and start'n over at EC of 1.2 is what I would do also in DWC... I check it in 24 hours after I recharge the system and go from there use'n that cheat-cheat I posted;)

to me hydro is the perfect means of push'n the plant to the max then back'n off just a tad...

also when I flush I used tap water and then watched the EC level... if it goes up the plant is still kick'n out excess nute's....when it goes down from start point of flush it is time to recharge. I used to PH my flushes but see no diff when I dont:) try both ways and see what works for you bro... only way to find out my friend

been awhile since i did hydro bro but have a few years of practice and hope to fire up a DWC soon here....real soon:D

grow on

:pass:

[CezarCronic]

Thanks CB , I agreed with you in flushing with normal tap ph water is the same as adjusting ph in soil growth , i can't said in hydro because i have not lots of experience and one thin i always hear is not to do drastic pH changes in Hydro Cultivation , my tap water in 7.6 so i tough that hight pH in my Tab water may cause some shock to the plants , also i cool the flushing water to 18°C before floating the tray , to have the same water temp went floating .

Its always better to ask people with experience how they work and from there we make good or bad decisions :p

i like to read Cannabis Books and have a couple of good videos where they teach step by step how to grow indoors soil and Hydro by professionals.

Still is no the way you can learn to do a perfect grow , Practice makes perfect and all plants and strains are different , also all growers work with different ways and methods , seen and picking from those methods we make our own personal way of growing Cannabis :)

[Foxy]

They're starting to pack out nicely Cez. 2thumbs

If they join up then you're gonna have to start thinking soon about how you're going to support them to stop them falling over? :shrug:

:)

[CezarCronic]

They're starting to pack out nicely Cez. 2thumbs

If they join up then you're gonna have to start thinking soon about how you're going to support them to stop them falling over? :shrug:

:)


My friend Foxy they are tight with long strings to the top of the reflector so they can't bend or fall:D


Thanks a lot for the input and comments :)

[Mr Burns]

Sounds like you have the ideal EC for the plants and system then Cezar :gthumb: Now you have the EC nailed you'll have more time to look at these PH swings. TBO I'd ignore them and instead look at getting a larger res in the future giving you a larger buffer and less res changes. Its just an idea, but a larger res will give you less tool time and the plants will have longer patterns of stability.

This is only an idea and being 'picky' really Cezar. I think you've done bloody well for a first shot at it and its good to see someone who asks questions that acts on some of the answers. God knows the amount of questions people have answered to in the past only to see a grow go down hill because the person does just the think that no one had suggested!

Its a good feeling seeing someone get to grips with a new medium :)

You ever thought of topping the plants Cez, or growing Indica dominant strains :shrug:

[CezarCronic]

Its a good feeling seeing someone get to grips with a new medium

Thanks Mr Burns ;) Appreciate , good part of all this is i love doing this so much i give 100% of my abilities to do it as good as i can :)

You ever thought of topping the plants Cez, or growing Indica dominant strains

The truth i never tough they ware going to grow this big:eek: , because this Sativa responds very good to topping.

Now i have plenty of Indicas in my stock :cool: next Hydro project will be with one of the Indicas i have now , Mental Floss , Blue Cheese , White Widow. White Russian :cool:

Sativas are very exotic plants but they are a big hustle to grow and flow :rolleyes:, personally i like bush style grow and idicas are the one to do it :D

[CezarCronic]

Today day 34th 12-12 everything is looking good , plants still have curly leaves and very dark green but doing fine , been checking EC levels and they are more or less stable some days goes up a and down is a short range between like 1.17 to 1.24 , pH levels are also pretty stable ranging between 5.6 to 5.9 every 2 days .

Very impress with the F&D setup is just to good :cool: , the Jugs system will be re-model to a F&D system like the other but with a bigger tray and bigger pots:)

The clones in the F&D system are so huge i measure one and is 1.10 mt tall :eek:

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[Mr Burns]

Looking great Cez 2thumbs Get some pics of the jug upgrade when you do it would ya :shrug: As we've seen the past construction it'd be nice to follow along :)
I'm rebuilding my F&D clone/veg cab with new trays, res and lighting. Be good to compare notes buddy :)

Looking great and I'm really pleased to see you get the F&D dialled in so quick :gthumb: The fact you're changing one system already shows you've got a grip of this :2cents:

So how are you finding it not having to lug dirt around :shrug:

[CezarCronic]

Looking great Cez Get some pics of the jug upgrade when you do it would ya As we've seen the past construction it'd be nice to follow along

Thanks Mr Burns :) For sure i will post the jugs system after remodel in to a F&D tray system:D I'm to impress with the performance of plants in this type of cultivation:cool: , if ever a chance to get a big Ebb system will buy it with out even thinking about the prize :rolleyes:.

I'm rebuilding my F&D clone/veg cab with new trays, res and lighting. Be good to compare notes buddy

I 'll be happy Mr Burns , most of the stuff I'm learning is true the communication between forum members :cool:

So how are you finding it not having to lug dirt around

Mr Burns this is one serious issue and no body comments about it :)

Hydro Not only is easier to handle , better way to learn about your favor strains feating range , no dirt around to clean at all times to keep everything clean , no mixing dirt for hours to have a perfect medium , no fixing large amounts of water with what ever nutrient or just water the plants , and this one is the worth of all " DISPOSING DIRT " .

Yesterday after i harvest 7 plants i had a 75 litter tub full of dirt so time to get the evidence out:rolleyes: so i got in my truck and drove to a wooded area and went i was fixing to trow the tub out to the woods a Police car arrive and start asking all kinds of questions:rolleyes: , right there i know res this could get someone in trouble man :( , lucky me I'm very quick with words to get out of a tight spot :rolleyes:


And the last and better of all Big Different in YIELD:eek:


Well just a picky here from progress at day 38 with out the HPS light distortion

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[Mr Burns]

i was fixing to trow the tub out to the woods a Police car arrive and start asking all kinds of questions:rolleyes:

:eek: If I were you I'd get myself a compost bin Cezar :2cents:

Great to hear you're loving it buddy :gthumb: I remember feeling how you do and probably because like me you're lucky enough to get to grips with it quickly. Like I say part of getting it dialled in is luck as I'm a firm believer that no matter what degree of education you could learn in this sport your first run/s will always have an element of luck involved :2cents: We can also say that of dirt which should never be discounted :)

I'm really pleased for you Cezar :)

[Elephunt man]

Never understood tossing soil though, mine gets better every run.

[CezarCronic]

Thanks guys ;), maybe i should try to re use my soil some times.


Well today is day 43 clones are getting pack , EC is been drifting up slowly so i been adding tab water to equilibrate and now is running about 1.15 and a bit more stable on that number , pH is stable around 5.6 to 5.8 , water temp between 18°C to 22°C , plants are drinking lots of water, leaves are very dark green:cool:

Looks like yield is going to be very good , buds are pack with white coated resin with a rich and strong sweet smell

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[Dawg]

Nice lookin plants CC. :mmmm:

(btw elephunt man...wipe that drool up...i know it was you :p )

[Mr Burns]

Nice pics Cezar :mmmm: I can imagine the grin on your face seeing this is your first wet hydro run :greatjob:

Well done :gthumb:

[CylonBud]

They're looking fantastic Cezar! I hope my first hydro run goes as nicely as these look. :cool:

[hazewarrior]

Dang Cezar, have you been reading those things a bed time story or something. Looks like they are showing you lots of love!! :D

[CezarCronic]

Dawg Nice lookin plants CC.

(btw elephunt man...wipe that drool up...i know it was you )


Thanks Dawg :)

Mr Burns Nice pics Cezar I can imagine the grin on your face seeing this is your first wet hydro run

Well done

Thanks Mr burns :D Your so right I'm very happy with the hydro performance :cool: , thinking on setting something bigger but have to figure out with what i got in hand or here in my area :)


CylonBud They're looking fantastic Cezar! I hope my first hydro run goes as nicely as these look.

Thanks Cy :), I'm very happy with Hydro for many advantages :cool: My big problem is hot temp so Hydro has to be with water cooling systems :( still i fine the way to fix some more setups :rolleyes:

hazewarrior Dang Cezar, have you been reading those things a bed time story or something. Looks like they are showing you lots of love!!

Thanks Haze , I'm watching them real close:watch: and they showing off a bit too :cool:


Today is day 53 for this clones and they looking real nice and big , the Jugs are smaller :( and less pack but the F&D ones are huge and still putting out lots of white pistils:cool:

Last water refill i use only P/K booster for nutes , and EC is been around 1.05 to 1.15 , pH = 5.6 to 5.8 .

Since they got about 15 more days to go i 'll slowly reduce EC to 0.80 until flush day .

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[Foxy]

WOW they're getting FAT!!! :wow:

Just look at the difference in a few days!!! Nice growing. :D

[CezarCronic]

Thanks a lot Foxy for your nice comments :) , I{m pretty impress my self with size and yield in this clones:eek:

Today is day 60 and they are huge , have 2 strains in this set up and one is almost ready the other about 10 more days so I{m trying to deal with this is a good way .

I'm thinking on doing a quick pH flush to cut the 2 big clones almost ready and them set EC to 0.60 for the rest of the clones until final flush or just try to hand the other for a bit more to harvest them all together :hmmmm:

Well EC is 0.90 and pH 6.0 and they look a bit over so I'm putting more water to lower EC to 0.70 , pH will be for the final days 6.0 to 6.2

First time i see my Jacky bloom this big in a clone , she is got lots of features of Kali Mist from Serious Seeds , same flow time 70days same spiral fluffy looking buds lots of white coated resin and a sweet and spicy taste:cool: Up lifting very functional stone hight , Can get any better .


They got 10 more days and looking very big and frosty:D

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[Mr Burns]

Looking superb Cezar 2thumbs
Cezar is that AC unit a mobile one or is it the wall mounted variety? If you have a mobile AC unit I have a cunning plan to get them nute temps down :pass:

[CezarCronic]

Mr Burns Looking superb Cezar
Cezar is that AC unit a mobile one or is it the wall mounted variety? If you have a mobile AC unit I have a cunning plan to get them nute temps down

Thanks Mr Burns :) , Well about the AC unit i have a large Unit a Central 3 ton air cond. its mounted outside the room with ducting taking the cool air true a large vent in flow room.

But will be good to know your idea because i was thinking on getting one of those mobile ones for veg room ;)

Thanks for the suggestion :D

[Freakshow]

Wow, Cezar, those buds look incredible! nice job! Your title is very very fitting

[CRAZYTRAIN]

Huge FugginBudz! Wow!!!!!:eek:

[CylonBud]

Gonna be some damn fine toking at Cezars soon! Smoke one for me man. :smoke1:

[CezarCronic]

Freakshow Wow, Cezar, those buds look incredible! nice job! Your title is very very fitting

Thanks Freak , I'm pretty impress with this yields on this old plant i got man:eek: the first time i see this Sativa bloom buds this big , they are huge and very heavy some side branches has broken from the weight:p

CRAZYTRAIN Huge FugginBudz! Wow!!!!!

CT Great to see you bro;) Welcome to the site and thanks a lot for stopping by friend :)


CylonBud Gonna be some damn fine toking at Cezars soon! Smoke one for me man.

Cy this thins are huge man , will get over 50 grams dry weed from the biggest ones for sure maybe more the are to damn heavy:eek:


Well at day 69 they still putting out lots of white pistils:cool: and keep getting more weight them super buds:eek: , i remove haft of the reservoir content to reduce EC levels and then only add water with P/K formula back to EC= 1.00 , to reduce Nitrogen levels and just have Phosphorous and Potassium for the flowers to use , nothing green is requiet any more at this stage.

Since that day i been reducing EC levels slowly by adding water refill with no nutes only pH adjusted ;) , now EC is been dropping slowly to 0.60 at the moment , pH 6.0 to 6.2 .

Final days but they still packing up more and putting lots of white hairs out with new buds formations sticking out like antennas from the buds :p


Love this wonderful performance by F&D system its just to damn good to do it any other way :cool:

went this new froth start to darken will do a final flush with tap water and Harvest after the Medium drys good :)

Pics like always , there is no C.C. treat with out lots of Pics :D:D

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[CezarCronic]

I'm getting ready to empty both reservoir tanks to start flushing with tap water all clones now at day 71 flow , will keep flushing for 2 or 3 days to give them a bit more time under the lamps , and for a couple of clones to finish up turning amber :cool:

Pics tomorrow ;)

[Mr Burns]

That 3rd pic is my fave. Superb Cezar 2thumbs Superb...

[CezarCronic]

Mr Burns That 3rd pic is my fave. Superb Cezar Superb...

Thanks Mr Burns appreciate :)

Well today i turn the pumps off after 3 days flushing , plants are well done and trich amber :cool: will let them sit for 2 days drying out the medium and roots well to harvest and hang for next project:D

Buds are over grown :cool: 3 of the clones are real heavy:eek:and buds are all over the places lots of big pop corn ones on lower leaves :D


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[CezarCronic]

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[CB]

nice fook'n grow BOB:p

hope it smoke's as good as it looks bro:D


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[Mr Burns]

Some serious calyx on calyx action there Cezar :) So how you finding water world :shrug: BTW, I haven't forgotten the mobile AC unit idea, I just haven't made the diagrams yet :(

Looking superb buddy :gthumb:

[Foxy]

Lovely colas Cez, nice n phat! ;)

Looking forward to the weigh-in. 2thumbs

[Dawg]

you know Czr if you wouldn't grow them buds so fat you wouldn't need to tie em up. :courtjester:
great grow dude. :D

[CezarCronic]

CB nice fook'n grow BOB

hope it smoke's as good as it looks bro

Thanks CB appreciate :D

Mr Burns Some serious calyx on calyx action there Cezar So how you finding water world BTW, I haven't forgotten the mobile AC unit idea, I just haven't made the diagrams yet

Looking superb buddy

Thanks Mr Burns , will be good to know about that idea some time in the future , that way i made be able to easy that part of the work:) .

Thanks a lot for the good comments , calyx on calyx do looks very nice :D



Foxy Lovely colas Cez, nice n phat!

Looking forward to the weigh-in.


Thanks Fox I'm curious about it too , will post the final weight ;)


Dawg you know Czr if you wouldn't grow them buds so fat you wouldn't need to tie em up.
great grow dude.

Dawg the Buds weight so damn much they broke in haft went i lose the strings :p



Well Harvest i did not post 2 days a go for lac of inter net service , but now i have a new fast connection :cool:


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[Fing_57]

NICE Job!!!! :eek:

[Freakshow]

Great harvest, Cezar!

[CylonBud]

Those buds look smoking Cezar! :smoke1:

[CezarCronic]

Thanks Fing , Freak and Cy ;) really appreciate all nice comments from all members , also all the help and advices during this Hydro quest that turn in to a good outcome :)


Have to said was lots of fun reason why i start the 2nd treat with new adjustments to work all F&D:cool:


Now I'm not giving the old long crap smoke report about medical and all comments regarding the smoke , all yal wanna know is how much they yield shit:p , so the biggest clones yield 62grams dry each , the ones who follow about 52 to 54 grams them the ones from the Jugs as we know yield was not great but still i got good out them too .

Total weight for 1m2 of grow space with 1 x 400w hps 8 clones = 304 grams ( 11 oz ) of dry fluffy frosty sugary white corded Buds :D

Not bad at all for this Sativa:eek: i always average 20 grams per clone in soil with this strain .


Thanks to all members for the support and comments made by every one who post in this treat :) Job accomplice





C.C. :peace:

[Foxy]

0.76 gram/watt is very, very good Mate, you should be real proud. 2thumbs

Well grown! ;)