I hate politics but......

[Mr Burns]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GEtZlR3zp4c

[Dawg]

I was chillin with a bro other day and we had a "stoner" thought.
In US govt. It takes a lot to get fired. They ussually get promoted :p
So that would mean the president is the absolute worst employee the fed. govt. has at that time. :p

According to an investigation by Capitol Hill Blue, an online publication that covers federal politics, a remarkable number of U.S.
Representatives and U.S. Senators may have spent as much time in a jail cell as on Capitol Hill.

After researching public records, newspaper articles, civil court transcripts, and criminal records, Capitol Hill Blue discovered that:


* 29 members of Congress have been accused of spousal abuse.


* 7 have been arrested for fraud.


* 19 have been accused of writing bad checks.


* 117 have bankrupted at least two businesses.


* 3 have been arrested for assault.


* 71 have credit reports so bad they can't qualify for a
credit card.


* 14 have been arrested on drug-related charges.


* 8 have been arrested for shoplifting.


* 21 are current defendants in lawsuits.


* And in 1998 alone, 84 were stopped for drunk driving, but released after they claimed Congressional immunity.

Link to article (http://www.ontheissues.org/AskMe/spousal_abuse.htm)

[Nichiren]

what they can't do is travel overseas over half of the senators and congress persons do not have passports

How can they wage a war on forgein soil and not be able to SEE what they have done with their war

BTW McCain says he doesn't care about a time table on ending this meaningless war.. in another quote he mentioned he doesn't care if it goes on fro 100 more years

JOHN MCCAIN YOU CN NOT HAVE MY SON.. OR MY DAUGHTERS

[Freakshow]

what the hell has happened to our country. I found this read quite inspiring

The Need for Patriots (http://www.gather.com/viewArticle.jsp?articleId=281474977386198&grpId=3659174697244816&nav=Groupspace)

[tripps]

Burnsy, Freak, great posts.

[midwestbluntman]

I believe there will be world wide consequence's if McCain gets a victory in nov.Not only do we americans think this war is senseless and futile,so does the rest of the world.We are the butt of a world wide joke,and not even a funny one at that.I was 100% with them on Afganistan,i didnt agree with the way they went about it,and the dumbasses still havent got binladen[not that they are really wanting him].They have givin that towelhead to much credit,his dumb ass did not knock them building down.He may have had a couple planes fly into them[i have doubts about that also],but our own government brought them down,id bet my life on that.

[tripps]

],but our own government brought them down,id bet my life on that.

Sorry, I'll never believe that, there were 10 million people in NYC, you really believe even 2 people could keep a secret like that? Just not plausable. Just stating it once, it's not something arguable. :)

[midwestbluntman]

Everyone is intitled there opinion,and truely respect yours.But watch the vidios,if that wasnt a controlled demolition ill kiss your ass on the steps of the whitehouse in front of god and the whole world.

edit:
Sorry, I'll never believe that, there were 10 million people in NYC, you really believe even 2 people could keep a secret like that? Just not plausable.
what i see as implausable is that a pack of [we will be nice] "foreingers"could carring enough explosives in to bring all them buildings down,totally undetected and totally unquestioned.These building were built to withstand far far more greater forces then an airplane could ever imagine,with that in mind explain WTC 7.It didnt get hit with a plane or ruble from the others,but it fell also.

[Dawg]

Stalin, Hitler, and many others in history kept very good secrets while commiting mass genocide.;)
Ceux qui ignorent l'Histoire seront condamnés à la revivre
translated it would give: Those who ignore History will have to live it
I think this world is capable of anything

The Jews in WW2 "couldn't beleive" what was happening till it was too late. Hitler kept his secret from millions of jews. Just saying...westies statement is not too far fetched.

[tripps]

Just stating it once, it's not something arguable. :)

:)

[midwestbluntman]

agreed,its all water under the bridge now anyways.

[Nichiren]

[QUOTE= explain WTC 7.It didnt get hit with a plane or ruble from the others,but it fell also.[/QUOTE]

#7 is what the whole thing was about the rest was a cover for destroying #7

I saw the now banned footage of that one going down .. much later and very controlled

Kinda like beating down the front door to distract from those sneaking in the kitchen door. Every one rushes to the front leaving the kitchen door unguarded.. the kitchen is where all the valuables are

[midwestbluntman]

#7 is what the whole thing was about the rest was a cover for destroying #7

I saw the now banned footage of that one going down .. much later and very controlled

Kinda like beating down the front door to distract from those sneaking in the kitchen door. Every one rushes to the front leaving the kitchen door unguarded.. the kitchen is where all the valuables are

exactly correct,9/11 was allowed to happen by our very own.all the gold has yet to be found,money and greed was at the root.As well as opening the door for our government to invade an otherwise untouchable adversary.IE lil bush finishing big bushes fight.

we can only hope that those responsible will be held accountable for the terrorist and treasonist act they produced.I think the truth will arise shortly after lil bush is gone.

[Dawg]

IE lil bush finishing big bushes fight.
.

I don't think that was it at all.
After 911 Patriot Act was pushed through legislation at lightning speed. Spying on our own became priority #1. 1/2 of our privacy rights went out the window and its going to take the lawmakers years to figure out where the constitution is in the mess.
Think about it...who really gained from the bombing....our own govt. They gained a massive foot hold in mass control of our nation. To top it off the president can extend his presidency when country is at war....yep it's a clause.
Patriot act gave our govt. a ton of resources to police the people..which is one step closer to martial law...and even closer to a dictatorship....but not just Bush's but our entire govt. being in absolute control.
Our country is going to hell in a handbasket. Our rights are so trampled it's almost mind boggling. Compared to 10 years ago...our laws and rights have totally changed. Totally unprecedented at how much. And it's not just "terrorists"...the patriot act gave more foothold on internet communication monitoring, search and seizure laws, and many many other things...We are not free...like we ever were to begin with.
Our govt. is scared of one thing...malitia.....but they forget those were the dudes that made it so our govt. existed. now they are listed as a threat. Malitia was our homeland security back in the revolution. Now its the CIA, ATF, DEA and FBI....which don't give a piss in hell what happens to us.

[midwestbluntman]

excellent point my friend,one i had prematurely overlooked.
from 9/11 spawned an array of crazy shit aimed at the american people.

you summed it up perfectly
MARSHALL LAW
POLICE STATE

otherwise untouchable adversary "our own citizens"

[Mr Burns]

�There was just an explosion [in the south tower]. It seemed like on television [when] they blow up these buildings. It seemed like it was going all the way around like a belt, all these explosions.�--Firefighter Richard Banaciski

�I saw a flash flash flash [at] the lower level of the building. You know like when they demolish a building?�--Assistant Fire Commissioner Stephen Gregory

�It was [like a] professional demolition where they set the charges on certain floors and then you hear 'Pop, pop, pop, pop, pop'."--Paramedic Daniel Rivera

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I hear you guys ;)

[midwestbluntman]

thats why so many firefighters died that day,no one expected them towers to fall,not in a millon years.

[Dawg]

They were designed very well and the foundation wasn't even harmed....no reason for those towers to crumble that much. Only an earthquake or bombing could have cuased that failure....and yes I know a lot about structural engineering....not on that scale of course....but I know that unless the foundation itself was comprimised only the upper floors (point of impact) and some below due to massive loads would have fell not the whole tower.
Yeah some concrete and acoustial ceilings and some dead loads like desks n stuff.....but all that is taken into account upon initial design. It's typically 200% over what the structure could handle when designing for load and clear spans. The foundation would have HAD to fail IMO.

[Mr Burns]

You guys might find this interesting.

skolnicksreport. (http://www.skolnicksreport.com/ootar14.html)

[majestyk5]

trippy. cant say it sounds wrong

[midwestbluntman]

another good read burnsy thanks


trippy. cant say it sounds wrong

Its a terrible thing to think that our govt would do things described here,but there is just to many unanswered question and to much evidence pointing that direction.as the posting burnsy linked to,there is more.i believe our govt killed MLK and JFK among several others.the bush's are not the only bad seeds the whitehouse has housed.

[tripps]

Man, I should have kept my mouth shut, I knew better, BUT, what design engineers never designed for was the weight of 4 or 5 floors above collapsing onto one floor, it was never, and could never practically, cost wise, be designed for supporting that weight. and when the first undemolished floor collapsed, it was all over, just dominos left. Look at a picture of a controlled demolition, it's blown at the base, and falls inward. Then look at footage of the trade center collapse, it fell from the top down, every floor collapsing at a greater , accelerating rate.

I won't read this thread again, sorry, I don't want to create hard feelings with anyone, people will believe what they want to believe, anyone can write anything they want on the internet. To suggest that the planes never hit the buildings is ludicrous, that was the original argument, now they are saying the government remotely flew them into the buildings. Sorry, never seen anything remotely resembling evidence for any of it, just guys with blogs writing their opinions.

[Mr Burns]

Thanks Westy.

TBO I only just came across it and was slightly disturbed at whether there was in fact hijackers on the planes or not, or if there were, if they were duped into it considering a different outcome.
Bloody spooky..... :confused:

[CylonBud]

Just too add a bit. Those building where designed to pancake like that for safety. They where designed to take a 747 hit and could but they where not designed to handle the high heat of a full fuel tank for long. The heat weakened the steel supports and as they fail that section collapsed. Once it did the design did as it was made to and pancaked in on itself one level at a time. This was design for the safety of people and buildings surround the area. If it fell wildly it would have caused way more damage and prolly killed a lot more folks. I watched an interview with the architect (or some one who studied under him) and he explained just that. My wife a Civil engineer said that what was said made sense. :cool: Not looking for a fight just passing some info I know. :D

[midwestbluntman]

To suggest that the planes never hit the buildings is ludicrous, that was the original argument, now they are saying the government remotely flew them into the buildings

there is no denying the fact that the planes hit the buildings.My argument wasnt with that,it was that the planes didnt bring the buildings down.the building were built to withstand fire[1000's of degrees],hurricans[200mph winds],tornado[up to cat 5],earthquacks[up to 7 or 8 on the scale], and to a point bombs[unless stratigically placed].out of the 10 billion peices of shredded and petrified paper scattered threwout the city,they found the complete and undamaged ID of one of the terrorist from the plane crash,give me a fucking break.as for remote control of the planes thats the first id heard that one,not that it is out of the question with todays technolegy.Im not try'n to sway anyone into thinking along my lines of thought,to each there own,take from it what you want.But there is no denying that there was more involved then a pack of camel jockeys fly'n Jumbo Jet into the buildings.Thus givin binladen way to much credit for the damage done.

[SmokinMa]

Wow, wicked thread. I haven't really delved further into 911 other then what I see on the news and such.

But I know what I saw. I firmly believe terrorists flew planes into the towers. I think I even remember seeing the 2nd tower hit on the news. Remotely flown planes? Remember all those recorded phone calls of folks saying goodbye to their loved ones? Those planes were 100% hyjacked.

I refuse to by into any conspiracy theories because I do believe that our govt has our best interests at heart, however flawed it may be. NO WAY would the US kill thousands of our own on our own soil. We don't live in a 3rd world country.

Our govt killed MLK and JFK? :rolleyes: Don't think so.

The day that I begin to lose faith and not trust our govt will be the day I move out of the country. The US by far is the greatest nation in the world for a reason.

All of this is simply an opinion of my own. I probably won't reply to any posts directed at me because I am not wanting to debate.

[EASY]

Wow, wicked thread. I haven't really delved further into 911 other then what I see on the news and such.

But I know what I saw. I firmly believe terrorists flew planes into the towers. I think I even remember seeing the 2nd tower hit on the news. Remotely flown planes? Remember all those recorded phone calls of folks saying goodbye to their loved ones? Those planes were 100% hyjacked.

I refuse to by into any conspiracy theories because I do believe that our govt has our best interests at heart, however flawed it may be. NO WAY would the US kill thousands of our own on our own soil. We don't live in a 3rd world country.

Our govt killed MLK and JFK? :rolleyes: Don't think so.

The day that I begin to lose faith and not trust our govt will be the day I move out of the country. The US by far is the greatest nation in the world for a reason.

All of this is simply an opinion of my own. I probably won't reply to any posts directed at me because I am not wanting to debate.
Pearl Harbor has been diagnosed conspiracy in much the same manner hasn't it?
I respect each individuals opinion, and respect their right to make that opinion. But I also believe that theses conspiracy theories are "Total" bullshit. If you reasearch 911 more than just to scratch the surface, as those videos and blogs indicate, there are more than equal evidence and physical explanation, for how and why the towers collapsed.
Fucking (EDIT) flew fucking 747 full of highly volitile jet fuel into them. NOBODY designed OR designs buildings to withstand the multi faceted destruction resulting from such.
To suggest that our government, or more directly, Bush, orchestrated such an act, insults my intelligence. (look at him, do you really think that he's smart enough:p)
I regress.. I should have avoided at any cost, a thread titled "Politics".
I won't click this thread again.;).. have at me :D

[Mr Burns]

Watch from 4:32

9:11 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E1KG-H0baPk)

[CB]

thanks all for keeping this thread civil.... tiss a touchy thing have'n a political forum and not have an uproar amongst the mass's:)

myself I just don't know what to think about 9-11 and I have spent hour's and days dig'n thru it all over the year's and yet haven't been swayed one way or the other....

I do know this much thou, the world is one fucked up place to live right now.

tiss also nice to see other's input and veiws as we have peeps from all corners on HGB:D

peace :pass:

[Dawg]

Is it gettin hot in here?
Hey not saying both aren't plausable....just both scenerios are possible.
No reason to get all hot n steamed in here....was just chattin with CB how cool it is we can discuss this without any heat...just a discussion for discussion sakes....comeon...HGB is cooler than this. ;) We can talk about anything and not get angry. ;)
Let's all chill take an "in" and just talk like normal folk and respect each others opinion without stompin off. ;)
Why there is no censorship here other than the guidelines that comprimise our security. It's cuz we are all mature adults that want a place like this to kick back n chill without worrying about what we post or say. Let's keep it the way it is...Chill. ;)
just my 2 bits. :pass:

[Mr Burns]

Amen :hippy:

I meant to start my last post by saying a similar thing.

:pass:

[SmokinMa]

Willie Nelson for President


:crazydan:

[CB]

Willie Nelson for President


:crazydan:


lmao ma, thought you said wasnt going to be back in here :p


been think'n willie here myself

:bananna:

[Nichiren]

excellent point my friend,one i had prematurely overlooked.
from 9/11 spawned an array of crazy shit aimed at the american people.

you summed it up perfectly
MARSHALL LAW
POLICE STATE

otherwise untouchable adversary "our own citizens"

forgot Deconstructoin of the middle class

[Freakshow]

Well, first of all, my opinion of course, we need to realize that the President, VP, and Congress are merely pawns. The Buildabergers that own and run the World Bank and many of the biggest corporations - these are the people pulling the strings. Whenever there is a war or we invade a country, i try to see if I can notice what they are trying to divert our attention from. Reagan did it with Granada. Clinton with Bosnia and Somalia, Bush with Iraq. What are they not wanting us to see? It's not a republican or democrat thing, folks. They are one in the same, bought by the same people

any thoughts?

[hazewarrior]

I'm speechless.... educating yet unbelievable! :eek:

[CB]

any thoughts?

yep and will get back to you when not so stoned :D


:pass:

[midwestbluntman]

Well, first of all, my opinion of course, we need to realize that the President, VP, and Congress are merely pawns. The Buildabergers that own and run the World Bank and many of the biggest corporations - these are the people pulling the strings.

well put freakshow,So maybe our gov didnt build the blueprint for destruction,and they are just pawns in the big game.They did however,know it was going to happen,devirted all air forces for the east coast 100's of mile out to sea,so interception and or neutrolazation would not be factor in the final outcome,thats just the WTC's.now lets talk about the pentagon,get in a plane and set a course to fly over or in the vicenity of the pentagon/whitehouse,before you ever see either of those buildings you will be surrounded by fighter jets ordering you to change course.If you decline,well it wont be a pleasant day for you.them F-15's would be the last thing you ever seen,standard proceedure,except on the morn of sept 11 2001.where is the plane?they never recovered not one peice of a boeing 747 at the pentagon.Also at the heading reported by the ATC,that jumbo jet would have had to make a 360 degree turn at a near impossible decline and did not even touch the ground,with an amature at the helm.

We could debat forever,there is no way to prove one way or the other at this point.If you choose to believe the official report than thats your progitive,you believe what you want and i'll believe what i want, thats what makes america, america.


To suggest that our government, or more directly, Bush, orchestrated such an act, insults my intelligence. (look at him, do you really think that he's smart enough
hahahaha good point easy,no i dont think bush dreamed it up.but i do believe he[as well as the rest of the washington crew] played a role in the finale outcome .

I regress.. I should have avoided at any cost, a thread titled "Politics".
I won't click this thread again... have at me

Its all in fun bro,in the name of entertainment.Its cool to see the diffrent aspect of situations such as this.If you let yourself get mad because someone doesnt believe in your god,then you are the truely lost soul.there is two sides to every story,to limit yourself to just one is plan crazy.How can you paint a picture without all the data.

uncontrolled collapse
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4805544108286037298&q=collapse+from+bombing&ei=EaFrSPbvMoj84ALysfmjDw&hl=en


Controlled implosion
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UDMf3feceH0


Uncontrolled
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9qwlsDGR9ws

Controlled
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3410644586838318138&q=wtc%237+building+implosion&ei=vadrSJ-MB5Tk4AK3x9WqDw&hl=en


Controlled
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xDh_pvv1tUM



edit:damn the video isnt working,one sec.
maybe i got it now think it was the google addy

[CB]

Its all in fun bro,in the name of entertainment.Its cool to see the diffrent aspect of situations such as this.If you let yourself get mad because someone doesnt believe in your god,then you are the truely lost soul.there is two sides to every story,to limit yourself to just one is plan crazy.How can you paint a picture without all the data.

agree with that bro..... would have to be a paint by numbers to get it right:rolleyes:

[CB]

Well, first of all, my opinion of course, we need to realize that the President, VP, and Congress are merely pawns. The Buildabergers that own and run the World Bank and many of the biggest corporations - these are the people pulling the strings. Whenever there is a war or we invade a country, i try to see if I can notice what they are trying to divert our attention from. Reagan did it with Granada. Clinton with Bosnia and Somalia, Bush with Iraq. What are they not wanting us to see? It's not a republican or democrat thing, folks. They are one in the same, bought by the same people

any thoughts?

I did granada and beruit in the early 80's both where a joke i thought and voiced that to my peers..... never could get a strait answer as to why i was shoot'n at them.... granada was a 3 day joke to say the least..... navy seals landed us in a bad spot to start with but..... still didnt know why we stopped off there:rolleyes: to scare russia i guess:rolleyes:

way to much war and he said's thats for sure






:pass:

[Freakshow]

Granada was to get the media and public off of the Nicaraguan scandel. Somalia and Bosnia was to get the media off od the Whitewater and Monica thing. Iraq is to keep our attention away from the beginings of the formation of the North American Union, the devaluation of the dollar, and the handing over of our country to the Chinese

[Nichiren]

sooo... where is the gold????

some one has it

[midwestbluntman]

sooo... where is the gold?

good question,seems to be one that nobody else is asking.I guess the terrorist took it and the plane that hit the pentigon,and fled back to there country with them.

[Dawg]

sooo... where is the gold????

some one has it
As global trade has grown, so has the need for international institutions to maintain stable, or at least predictable, exchange rates. But the nature of that challenge and the strategies required to meet it evolved considerably since the end of the World War II -- and they were continuing to change even as the 20th century drew to a close.

Before World War I, the world economy operated on a gold standard, meaning that each nation's currency was convertible into gold at a specified rate. This system resulted in fixed exchange rates -- that is, each nation's currency could be exchanged for each other nation's currency at specified, unchanging rates. Fixed exchange rates encouraged world trade by eliminating uncertainties associated with fluctuating rates, but the system had at least two disadvantages. First, under the gold standard, countries could not control their own money supplies; rather, each country's money supply was determined by the flow of gold used to settle its accounts with other countries. Second, monetary policy in all countries was strongly influenced by the pace of gold production. In the 1870s and 1880s, when gold production was low, the money supply throughout the world expanded too slowly to keep pace with economic growth; the result was deflation, or falling prices. Later, gold discoveries in Alaska and South Africa in the 1890s caused money supplies to increase rapidly; this set off inflation, or rising prices.
Link (http://economics.about.com/od/foreigntrade/a/american_dollar.htm)

BTW we are NOT under the gold standard anymore. ;)

[Mr Burns]

So what's a button worth nowadays? A poke in the eye :shrug:

[Nichiren]

curancey backing is not the issue


the gold is where did it go? some one took it and now has gold not curancey which loses value

one these or a few of these bozos took off with alot of gold..
al I'm sayin is where is the gold?

[CylonBud]

The UK sold tons of it on the open market a few years ago. :D

[Mr Burns]

The UK sold tons of it on the open market a few years ago. :D
Let the paupers have it I say :p

[Mr Burns]

Came across this on YouTube from a video link from another link. I'm not bashing the US here cause god knows Europe & Oz has its own problems, but now and again you can see something on the net that pricks one of them conscience cells in the brain, or maybe its the high......... :confused

What fuuks things up is this apparently big news item repeatedly stating "from a source".
I can't argue the content though. Sure there's bad shit going on in the world but spending years locked up because someone 'thinks' you're someone you're not? :shrug:

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=4gqaw5UnHA4

[Dawg]

War is hell....torture is in every war. whether "condoned" or not.
People in power will be on the spotlight. but media does its own harm in wartime.
I am a pacifist. so please don't get my statement wrong.
I'm a little tired of the media telling us how many of our people died and who tortured who. Plain simple fact is the media should be showing us if the quality of life overall has improved. if the genocide is still taking place. What good is coming of it. not all this BS.
Yes it would suck being in prison and not know why. but what of the non-military over there? what happens to them...what has happened to them. Do they still need us over there? If so do we pull out and say it was Pres. Bushes war...fook em? I hope not.
I hate the idea of war. but not even 100 yrs ago. we sent peeps by the millions to fight against hitler. yet moral was high during that war. but then media and live feeds. since then well moral has never been good at war time since.
did we need to be there...i don't think so. but we did make a mess and can't just leave it.
and i can see why we are resorting to some harsh methods. but plain simple fact those military would do just as much if not more to one of our men. not saying two evils make a good....just all these "rules" to war...when its war...survive and get the fook out. don't see much sense to "rules" in hell on earth.

[SmokinMa]

I agree with Dawg 100%.