From F&D with FLO's to NFT and HIDS. GHSs 'Cheese' [Archive]

Mr Burns

06-22-2008, 07:28 AM

I'm sure it (The Cheese) will do good under your care...
Kind words Cyclon. Not sure if I deserve such kind words, but thank you :gthumb:

I'll be attempting E & F this fall, you know I'll be questioning you. :D
Did I say 'Ebb & Flow' :slap: :laugh:

Pic 1: The tray which the cubes will sit on. This tray is the base of exactly the same brand and sized totes used for the res and catchment tray. Note the 'scalloped' out top edges. I wanted to leave as much 'meat' to the sides to help keep this tray rigid, but scalloped out the tote edges to just below the height of the 4 inch cubes, allowing the cubes to be almost fully submersed.
There are 5 x 3/16ths holes in this tray, one in each corner and the middle. I found for this sized tray and delivery pump it floods quicker than these holes can drain.

Pic 2: A heath Robinson way of supporting the root tray.
Note that I hot glued some plastic off cuts to the side walls roughly where that second black line is. This was to give an even gap around the root tray so it flooded evenly.

Pic 3: Tray in.

Pic 4: This gap around the root tray is where you can top up water, nutrients and PH fluid.
You can also see the catchment tote drain and two of the root trays drain holes.

Mr Burns

06-22-2008, 07:43 AM

Plants in. Aprons on and all up and running.

I built this E&F system for vegging plants ready for the NFT system. Because they're tightly packed I hook them out as soon as they show roots through the sides of the cubes. I've let them go longer (through no choice) until the roots were entangled but separating them and the tearing of roots gave the plants shock and they stalled for a considerable time.
Hopefully it'll give some idea as to what can be achieved though. Using less plants, a lid instead of aprons and maybe a remote res with a drain back to it (to flush), you could flower out plants in here.

tripps

06-22-2008, 10:10 AM

Great tutorial, Burnsy, I think that's in my veg romm plans for the future.

Mr Burns

06-25-2008, 02:06 PM

13 Days since soaking the seeds and 3 days since up-planting them into these rockwool cubes. Because these cubes are so close together they've a maximum 2 days left in here until going into the main room.

Main room is still rigged up for 3.6KW so unless I get time to remove one rig of lamps and adjust the plumbing it'll be another 3.6KW grow.
What will be will be :)

Dawg

06-25-2008, 02:08 PM

I still get amazed at root growth in hydro. :wow:
Lookin good Burnsy. :D

tripps

06-25-2008, 03:03 PM

I still get amazed at root growth in hydro. :wow:
Lookin good Burnsy. :D

Me too, btw, the Hempies will never equal the growth rates you get in NFT, You started after me and still finished before me, last grow. :redface:

Mr Burns

06-25-2008, 03:17 PM

I still get amazed at root growth in hydro. :wow:
Lookin good Burnsy. :D
Cheers Dawg. Early into hydro I was getting 'airy' bud, kinda light which some people who'd tried hydro put down to the fact 'it is hydro'. But I can now disagree. Most likely cause I'm dialled in with my system but I now get firm nugs. With additives fookin firm nugs, but naturally grown they're up there with anything I've come across.
I suppose what I'm trying to put across is yes the root growth and even plant growth is incredibly fast, but then there will always be a 'but'. Not with me. I'm happy with the system and would find it hard to return to soil, although I take nothing away from soil growers. Anyone in soil could teach me a thing or two and give a better angle on a particular area of growth :2cents:

... btw, the Hempies will never equal the growth rates you get in NFT, You started after me and still finished before me, last grow. :redface:
I never knew that? Like I said above tripps I experienced some minor flaws with hydro at the start = expecting too much of the system to give the end product. Like I said above about being dialled in, I think of the organic nature of soil is the 'dialled in' part with hydro but this is the way I think, and no scientific background. I just ain't clever enough for scientific shit :p

So what do you guys think. Shall, I go for the 3.6KW or reduce it to 2.4KW if I have time?
This grow I'll even let someone choose the additives :D

taffy

06-25-2008, 04:05 PM

Burn it 'till the price ups i would say, go 3.6Kw.. make hay while the sun shines an' all that.

Looking forward to another Burnsy production, may they all end up phatter than phatt things can be....

taffy

tripps

06-25-2008, 07:23 PM

Hard to have too much light, as long as you can fill the space under it. I just recently did the math, I run a little over 100 watts/sf.

CylonBud

06-26-2008, 12:04 AM

I agree with taffy. If you can spare the electric expense go with the full deal. If you do pull one of those big bulbs maybe try subbing it for a big cfl just to try something. Never seen a mixed CFL and HPS/HIDS. grow finish:D

Foxy

06-27-2008, 07:39 PM

So the fine people here haven't realised your grows are all smoke and mirrors yet then?!

Don't worry, I'm here now. :hello:

taffy

06-28-2008, 03:57 AM

So the fine people here haven't realised your grows are all smoke and mirrors yet then?!

Don't worry, I'm here now. :hello:

I love the sound of breaking glass tho' ....:)

Cranky

06-28-2008, 08:42 AM

looking good burnsy mate:cool:

i remember the days when ya first got dirt under ya finger nails;)

come along way bro;)

cranks

Mr Burns

06-29-2008, 04:21 PM

So the fine people here haven't realised your grows are all smoke and mirrors yet then?!

Don't worry, I'm here now. :hello:

Yee haa. The sly one has landed :)
Big difference with my mirrors is I don't use em to put make up on and check the zipper on the back of my dress is done up :p

i remember the days when ya first got dirt under ya finger nails;)

come along way bro;)

cranks
Thank you Cranks. I have never forgotten the help yourself, Cheap, ND, Rubi, RowJimmyRow & Spartan gave when I started off indoors. In fact it was a completely new beginning having not grown outdoors for a while and never having produced to the standard I did with your help :2cents: The help gave me a great insight into indoor gardening and if I were honest, its looking back at them journals that make me smile more than any other 2thumbs
Its probably appropriate that I give Foxy & HydroSan a mention for when I switched to hydro cause all I said for soil goes for these guys too. It'd be so easy to keep your experiences to yourself and watch another man struggle but I've had a pure blast with all of you from soil to wet. Where we met does not matter IMO. The internet is diluting faster than we imagine and those sites who think themselves on top may well be in membership, but not quality :2cents:
This is the first time I've posted in a forum and had people from my young diaper era to adult diaper era :laugh:

I thank you all :pass:

Mr Burns

07-05-2008, 11:28 AM

So, just over 3 weeks from soaking the seeds this is where its at.
The plants were in the F&D chamber longer than I'd liked but it'll show you how the roots can become entwined. This time round I just about caught them as there was no 'tearing apart', just gentle 'easing apart' :)

The main room was charged and has been circulating for a couple of days.
My only niggle with charging the system the last few grows is I shake that fuggin PH down bottle every time I use it, but with each bottle the nearer I get to the bottom the more I use to get the same result, a lot more :mad: For this reason I'm switching from Pho acid to Nitric acid although the 1 week veg with this grow will be with the Pho considering its already in.

Mr Burns

07-05-2008, 11:31 AM

PH: 5.7
EC: 0.8
Temps 27C/80F.

Pic 1: Left door to left.
Pic 2: Right door to middle.
Pic 3: Right door to right.

Foxy

07-05-2008, 01:25 PM

Nicely done snot-face. ;) Nice short, tight-nodal girls eh?

If you're interested I'll show you the wrap around spreader mat thing so the roots don't get entwined? £10 fee is all that it will cost you. :deal:

Actually thinking about it, it may not suit your needs.... :confused

Mr Burns

07-05-2008, 04:12 PM

Nicely done snot-face. ;) Nice short, tight-nodal girls eh?
South American pigmy's. Love em :)

If you're interested I'll show you the wrap around spreader mat thing so the roots don't get entwined? £10 fee is all that it will cost you. :deal:

Actually thinking about it, it may not suit your needs.... :confused
Typical del boy. Trying to sell me something I don't need :stick:

So it looks as though were on an even kick start for once?
Only 1 week veg for me this time round and at one third lighting too. Thought I'd ease off on what canopy is there and let the roots take take hold. It may be BS, but what the hey....... :)

Mr Burns

07-07-2008, 08:56 AM

They took to the trays instantly with vigorous growth so I've flipped them to 12/12.

tripps

07-07-2008, 10:46 AM

So it looks as though were on an even kick start for once?
Only 1 week veg for me this time round and at one third lighting too. Thought I'd ease off on what canopy is there and let the roots take take hold. It may be BS, but what the hey....... :)

So the long discussed but never consumnated growoff begins? Ohh, I'm so excited by big manly men contesting for dominance!

taffy

07-10-2008, 04:59 PM

Two manly men?? where? hehe, come on lads, this has to be the closest you two have got to growing at the same rate, don't be tempted to throw all them boosters at 'em now, just let them be on a minimal e.c. [he ses as if he knows wtf he's talking about].

Yep, still in dirt, although i am about to upgrade to a dripper system so maybe there is hope yet for me to get me feet wet.

Peace

taffy

hazewarrior

07-10-2008, 05:36 PM

Great job Mr. Burns! :)

I always had an easier time with hydro. I feel it is easier to control all the elements with the proper equipment. :2cents:

Looks like FOXY has a thing for you :haha::hug:

Mr Burns

07-10-2008, 05:38 PM

Mr Burns

07-10-2008, 05:39 PM

Looks like FOXY has a thing for you :haha::hug:
Asian chicks with dicks. They get everywhere :roll:

CylonBud

07-10-2008, 07:27 PM

Thanks guys :gthumb:
No 'manly dominance' in a grow off with Foxy as I'd be the only man ;)
As for boosters I might give that 'Rox' another go. Not an enhancer but a product that stalls buds and packs them out making them as hard as hard can be. I have to admit, those buds were a treat to handle and crumble not forgetting the little lower bud wastage during trim time :trust:

I gotta ask. What are bud boosters are they different than regular bloom nutes.? If they are not the same how and what kinds are there? Google key word or a good brand ya can pm me a link. :D

Thanks
CyB (can't use CB)

07-10-2008, 08:34 PM

CyB (can't use CB)

I don't have legal rights to CB :p use away

Foxy

07-11-2008, 08:59 AM

:confused

Right then. :mad:

First of all, unlike Burnarse I am PRE-op!! :hello:

Secondly (despite taff's wise advice) when my Babies get flipped they won't be pale-green limp excuses like some I could point at. :p

Lastly, you'll all see how Burnsy has to fiddle, tinker, and tamper with just about everything (especially the stuff that works well) and I simply glide through my grows, like an elegant swan on a still lake in Spring.

Yeah, you know it!! :bananna:

tripps

07-11-2008, 09:18 AM

, like an elegant swan on a still lake in Spring.

I though you looked familiar!

http://www.homegrownbud.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=16201&stc=1&d=1215789482

Foxy

07-11-2008, 09:26 AM

Oh NOOOOOOOO!!!!!! :yikes:

Is that..... oh dear..... please say it's not true.... it's my Uncle Simon :cry:

He loved a drink. :cheers:

Mr Burns

07-11-2008, 10:17 AM

I gotta ask. What are bud boosters are they different than regular bloom nutes.?

Thanks
Yup they are. Loads of boosters out there claiming this and that, from bud size increase, increase in bud sites, bud quality etc. Some work better than others and some that work for some people may not for others.
Big Bud (http://www.advancednutrients.com/landing_pages/big_bud_liquid_landing.html) is probably the most common bud booster but type in bud boosters to google and you'll be able to see them.

First of all, unlike Burnarse I am PRE-op!! :hello: Oh the pain. You wait :p

Secondly (despite taff's wise advice) when my Babies get flipped they won't be pale-green limp excuses like some I could point at. :p Got a link? Maybe I can help the poor sod out :)

Lastly, you'll all see how Burnsy has to fiddle, tinker, and tamper with just about everything (especially the stuff that works well) and I simply glide through my grows, like an elegant swan on a still lake in Spring. I'm not gonna mention 'stretch' cause that'd be unfair :buttshake As for gliding through a grow, is that with or without the BatMan outfit?

http://www.homegrownbud.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=16202&stc=1&d=1215792896

tripps

07-11-2008, 10:41 AM

That is a nice, compact, little baby, Burnsy, are you sure you didn't steal one of Foxy's pictures? :p

CylonBud

07-11-2008, 11:55 AM

Looks good Burnsy if it is yours. LoL:D

Mr Burns

07-11-2008, 01:25 PM

I expect nothing less from you 'orrible' lot :smoke1:

I'll be switching to flower nutes this weekend and adding some 'Regeneroot' from there on in :)

CezarCronic

07-11-2008, 01:33 PM

Very nice looking plants Mr Burns , hope the best outcome for ya friend2thumbs .

i love rock wool as medium but i can't fined here .:(

Peace bro:peace:

hazewarrior

07-11-2008, 01:37 PM

, like an elegant swan on a still lake in Spring.

I though you looked familiar!

:rofl2:

I've been thinking about using this stuff called Gravity. It's a bud hardener also but I've never used this type of product. Currently I use a bloom enhancer called Hydroplex by Bontaicare and it seems to work very well. They guy at the Hydro store highly recommended it. ;)

Oh yeah.... she looks very happy!!

Mr Burns

07-11-2008, 02:39 PM

i love rock wool as medium but i can't fined here .:(

Peace bro:peace:
You can't get rockwool? Damn. Some building products use rockwool such as wall insulation slabs. I've seen it on sites by the pallet load in 2x4 & 4x4 slabs and 2-4 inches thick.
As long as its PH soaked I can't see a problem using it?

I've been thinking about using this stuff called Gravity. It's a bud hardener also but I've never used this type of product.

That sounds just like the 'Rox' I've used. I can't say how similar your product is but Rox stops bud production and then swells what buds are formed into rock hard nugs. The pistils completely get eaten up by the swell but don't get too exited. When they say increases yield I found this not true. What nugs are lost in the stall of production is made up with heavier buds that were established and swollen. The nugs were indeed the hardest I've felt in my 26 year habit, but not worth the money if its yield you are after :2cents: Rox plays with the plants where-as boosters can increase yields and end product.
My advice would be to go with the most popular 'Flower Booster' for that persons particular medium and start from there. There are some boosters that outsell its next competitor 2 to 1 so have a look around and ask what other people are using in a similar set up, but remember, what works for one guy may not for the next :2cents:

I just thought, I'll be using CannaBoost for this grow. That shit goes out of the local hydro shop as soon as its in. Expensive, but if every other fugger is buying it up...... ;)

Mr Burns

07-13-2008, 06:16 PM

So far thay appear too a dense plant for me. From what GH Cheese journals I've read they looked more sativa :hmmmm:

Not sure whether to top em as were only 1 week after the flip :confused

Answers on a post card :)

Cranky

07-14-2008, 08:21 AM

so are we on 12/12 now bro?if so why yas flowering so early?

i may of got it wrong,hence the Q;)

cranks

Mr Burns

07-14-2008, 02:16 PM

i may of got it wrong,hence the Q;)

cranks
No you didn't Cranks, exactly 7 days of 12/12 today.

It does look and may well be too early but this is why I'm not into seed grows Cranks. As you know with cloning we get to know the plant and can veg according to plant spacing experience. With these I have to go with an early window into 12/12 gambling on a lesser canopy giving better light penetration rather than a over full canopy and a load of shaded imature nugs down low :(
If I'd have found a GreenHouse seeds Fem Cheese journal which had stumpy tight nodes like mine I'd have taken notice, but the ones I looked at were more sativa looking and well..... dare I say it 'wispy'.
I'll leave it two days when I flush and top em out then. The side branching is ludicrous to anything else I've grown so I'm gonna see what that does. Hang on, changed my mind again. Lets top half the grow and see what pays off :D

CylonBud

07-14-2008, 04:27 PM

Cool side by side topping run. I topped my White Rhino and it has really bushed out after the fim.:D

Mr Burns

07-15-2008, 03:32 PM

Cool side by side topping run. I topped my White Rhino and it has really bushed out after the fim.:D
Nice one Cylon. I've done this before but never took much notice of the end weigh in :o but IMO it was negligible on those particular strains.
Having an all 1 strain grow will give me more incentive to watch and provide pics of it happening 2thumbs

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Right, anyone reading this needs to take note of just what it is about NFT that rocks, which in my eyes and many others is the growth rate :)

Pic 1: One of the 5 smaller plants.
Pic 2: One of the 11 bigger plants. Third best in size.
Pic 3: Same plant but showing the short stature.

11 Plants have just pushed so hard in the last 24 hrs. Growth in mid leaf has been phenomenal to say the least and observed in the these pictures compared to yesterdays post. The other 5 aren't anything to be ashamed of at all, I just wanted to post what rocks with NFT for me, and those others that use NFT.

System and me seems dialled in and I have to say that I'm into this grow big time. Topping off is getting an easy art at keeping the grow within the PH range of 5.5-6.0 without adding PH down. Adding nutrients lowers the EC but I do this at topping off again not upsetting the PH and keeping the EC within range. In fact, even mid fecking range :D

This ones fooking rocking. I can't state just how happy I am with everything from the plants, the fluid content topping off and PH & EC readings, so maybe the change in home and comrades has been a good pay off for myself.
I thought I was getting bored with growing but not so any more.

Thank you to every single one of you, past and present :gthumb:

CylonBud

07-15-2008, 06:29 PM

I can't wait to give NFT a go Burnsy. Those plants are just taking off! :D

CezarCronic

07-15-2008, 11:15 PM

Burnsy just beautiful Green natural color :) , very nice bro keep up the good work :D

hazewarrior

07-16-2008, 10:18 AM

Amazing growth Mr. Burns. Gotta love hydro :D Can you get a shot of the roots?

Mr Burns

07-16-2008, 04:18 PM

One minute

Mr Burns

07-16-2008, 04:20 PM

Haze.... root zone.....

hazewarrior

07-18-2008, 01:13 AM

Gee thanks Mr Burns.... :watch:
I figured they would look somthin like that. They look very healthy :gthumb:

CezarCronic

07-18-2008, 08:00 AM

Mr Burns Nice looking Plants friend:) , very clean a well plan bro , like the way you protect the roots;)

San

07-18-2008, 08:14 AM

Ayup Burnsy :greatjob:

The staggered spacing looks a lot better than the last one (spacing wise) or was it the one before this... I lose track you bang out so many :D

I can see why you went for the earlier flip given the research on the strain, I reckon you were bang on mate, if they're already a week in 2thumbs

Now you've decided to top half, I'm gonna have to come back and see weather it was worth it, all things being equal I probably woulda left em alone, so it'll be interesting to see how it goes :)

I take it there's not going to be any LST torture this time :p

San:smokin:

Mr Burns

07-18-2008, 11:24 AM

Gee thanks Mr Burns.... :watch:
I figured they would look somthin like that. They look very healthy :gthumb:
Thank you haze :gthumb:

Mr Burns Nice looking Plants friend:) , very clean a well plan bro , like the way you protect the roots;)
Thanks Cezar. Corex covers are standard practice over here. White is no good as it lets light through, black doesn't but it attracts the heat and warms the root zone up :mad: Hence the panda plastic loosely covering the black Correx covers.

Ayup Burnsy :greatjob:

The staggered spacing looks a lot better than the last one (spacing wise) or was it the one before this...
The one before. I have to agree it got a little mad in there :o

Now you've decided to top half, I'm gonna have to come back and see weather it was worth it, all things being equal I probably woulda left em alone, so it'll be interesting to see how it goes :)
Well I topped 6 leaving 10 au natural. This allows one rig to go lower to the 6 topped plants and not have to share two canopy heights. Be interesting for sure, but I've not seen another GH cheese journal with em looking as Indica as this, unless I smoke more than I think :erm:

I take it there's not going to be any LST torture this time :p

San:smokin:
:slap: Hell fuck no :laugh: I couldn't believe I pulled that one off. Whatever went through my mind when I stood on them plants :yikes: I do not know :o
It's still a vivid memory standing there afterwards thinking, you fuckwit Burnsy, WTF have you gone and done :alky:

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Got a bit of a strain hunt going on. I really want to go back to the Russians but will look at these critically smashed and some others before deciding.

Thanks Ya all... 2thumbs

Mr Burns

07-19-2008, 04:44 PM

Flushed to bloom nutrients tonight. Everything went well but if I had to gripe it'd be that I could only get Nitric acid for PH down this time round. I had problems with it before but with some input from Q man it was found to be the make up of of using Canna Substra and not Aqua in NFT along with Nitric that gave me concerns. Nothing big, just huge amounts of calcium deposits on the roots even though it was one of my best w/p/g grows to date.

Growth is still amazing. The plants I topped 2 days ago :shrug: are popping side shoots through each plants leading leaves and the un-topped plants are going on a marathon stretch. Probably not noticeable by pictures now, but over this next 10 days I imagine we'll see some major changes.

No yellowing of the initial leaves although some have faded off. No def and no pests spotted whilst checking sex, but I have one plant that looks limp, tired and generally Elton John.
Its not showing sex although I'm not concerned at it being male or hermie, I just take it as the runt of the seed selection when packaged. I'll be keeping a close eye on it and it can be seen in pic 1 at the back left disappearing behind the shade. The short complaining ugly fucker, like Elton John.

tripps

07-19-2008, 08:35 PM

Wow, Burnsy, the one thing that does impress me with your system is the speed of the growth you get. I always think you'll never fill the space, but you always do! :o

Mr Burns

07-20-2008, 06:12 PM

I always think you'll never fill the space, but you always do! :o

Me, you and those that do.

Niki Lauda once said in the 70's which he repeated today on national television, "anyone can squirt a throttle, but its knowing when to back off"

Sorry its so short :2cents:

07-20-2008, 06:33 PM

Mr Burns

07-21-2008, 12:06 PM

Niki Lauda once said in the 70's which he repeated today on national television, "anyone can squirt a throttle, but its knowing when to back off"

spot on info there even if the noobs have to read between the lines

see you are push'n yours to the max.... couple clawed like

:pass:

Chears CB. I was about make a remark on myself not to make such cryptic posts :)
I have pushed em. I'm using the highest EC I've used before at 1.3 and this'll be the first grow that I'll be keeping the PH in check without any major drifting.
The side shoots are now poking through the upper leaves on all plants. The 'runt' plant is still a mystery. If it doesn't show sex at lights off today I might take it down to some lowers and keep an eye on it.

I'm going to remove single leaves that are shading the side shoots to give em some light to reach for. I'll do this for half of the untopped plants to see if there's any noticeable difference.

I took one off today and as you can see in the pic they're wider than my wrist :eek:

majestyk5

07-21-2008, 12:08 PM

that is a big beautiful leaf

tripps

07-21-2008, 12:30 PM

I took one off today and as you can see in the pic they're wider than my wrist :eek:

My wife has bigger wrists! :rotf: (Then again, she's 6'2" and 295 lbs.)

Foxy

07-21-2008, 05:19 PM

I'm going to remove single leaves that are shading the side shoots to give em some light to reach for. I'll do this for half of the untopped plants to see if there's any noticeable difference.

I took one off today and as you can see in the pic they're wider than my wrist :eek:

Good idea, let the light through... :sunny:
In fact, they look too dense for you not to do that. ;)

Great looking leaf blade, a whole leaf like that and you could use it as a fan to cool our ancient colonial ancestors at hhhharfternoon tea hin Hindia...

Mr Burns

07-22-2008, 03:08 PM

Thank you fellow reprobates :) Would hhhharfternoon tea hin Hindia be at the Horiental Cricket Club :shrug:

Tripps you got the height wrong. I think it was 5ft 2in & 295 lbs :p

Thanks maj. Pity these leaves can't be fossilised to keep.

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Well what a difference a couple of days make :mmmm:

Plants are now drinking like fish. I'm raising the EC to 1.4 after a fall of .2 from 1.3. Should raise it to 1.5 but I want the change gradually :)

The runt plant is now looking like a complete inbred. I could list so many incorrect things about its appearance I'll let the pics do the talking. I really am at a loss what to do with this plant. Its still not showing its sex and my concern is if I give it a break and let it flower the evident stress its under will have it hermie, especially coming from feminized stock :confused

Topped plants are letting the side colas through and the untopped are shooting side shoots through regardless. The untopped are showing initial bud sites on the main cola which is encouraging :drool:

Lots of green-ness and with another 6 weeks to go I think this one was flipped to 12/12 spot on 2thumbs

CylonBud

07-22-2008, 03:38 PM

They look great Burnsy. That odd one should be isolated at the very least. No reason risking the whole grow to pollination. Maybe put it in soil and let it live out it's day away from your main grow. If any sign of hermie toss it. Otherwise if it's not worth the effort to separate it you can add it to the compost pile. :D

07-22-2008, 03:47 PM

The runt plant is now looking like a complete inbred.

indeed it is :eek: myself i would chop it now, would be cool to watch but just not worth the chance.

:pass:

Mr Burns

07-22-2008, 03:54 PM

True about watching it CB, and I was thinking about Cylons suggestion on removing it :confused Thank you Cylon :)
Seeing how the root mass isn't massive yet I could possibly remove it and pot it up. More stress being cut from an NFT table and into soil, but I could pot it up into Coir keeping the nutes similar going from Canna Aqua to Canna Substra and see how it does in the greenhouse :shrug:

In fact I think this is the way to go. At least it'll live and we can get an insight into its performance :watch:

Job for tomorrow then :gthumb: Thanks chaps :)

Cranky

07-22-2008, 05:22 PM

maybe take a cutting or 2 before hand;)

see how they go that way?

cranks

Mr Burns

07-22-2008, 05:32 PM

Good call Cranks Seeing how mid sumers has passed us by I'll take just 3. Just for the sake of :)

Foxy

07-22-2008, 06:04 PM

Good call Cranks Seeing how mid sumers has passed us by I'll take just 3. Just for the sake of :)

You say that but have you seen the weather forecast for the next few days... :sunny: :( Never thought I'd be wishing for cool summers. :cool:

Mr Burns

07-23-2008, 03:28 PM

I never got to do it today, but I'll endeavour to do it tomorrow and place it in the shade.

What's with this weather :shrug:

tripps

07-23-2008, 05:47 PM

I never got to do it today, but I'll endeavour to do it tomorrow and place it in the shade.

What's with this weather :shrug:

Here it's rain, never seen the likes. Been "chance of thunderstorms" every day for 8 weeks. Even odder, we've been actually getting them, usually never do with that forcast. First year ever, I've never once watered my outdoor garden. Last summer was the driest ever recorded since they started keeping records in the mid 1800s. Weird

Mr Burns

07-24-2008, 03:49 PM

usually never do with that forcast.
Ya think its having too many TV channels trying to get one better on the next with forecasts :shrug:

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Okee dokee, I wanna throw a couple of in-line pics in to show you peeps two days growth. Today's was taken a little lower so although slightly deceiving you will still spot the difference by today's over lapping leaves :) Good job I flipped when I did with em getting legs on like this :)

I haven't a clue what this cheese should look like but IMO and at this stage of growth they closely resemble the White Russian. Less of a main reaching cola but the side colas are really getting some legs on and with some plants starting to out reach the main colas :eek:

I'm really happy with the bud site formation so far. Hardly any crappy undergrowth which will help with trimming, and they haven't give me one problem, thus far :hippy:

The 4th pic shows the topped plants to the right of the line. Considering how they look now to the un-topped I'd say un-topped looks more favourable :2cents:
With roughly 6 weeks to go it can all change as we know, so I'm not counting my eggs yet :watch:

PH 5.7
EC 1.3
RT 27C/80F
NT 23C/73F
RH 66%

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Foxy

07-24-2008, 05:54 PM

Well the good news is, today was about as hot as it's gonna get here, maybe one or two degrees more on real freaky days, but that's about it...

Sooooo...... if your grow temps were alright today, then you've cracked it. ;) :gthumb:

You're using lots of enzyme at the moment aren't you Mate? Or H2o2 if you prefer that route....

Don't want you losing anything. ;)

Mr Burns

07-24-2008, 06:07 PM

TBO with you buddy I just sneezed and threw snot down my T shirt :p

Start again. TBO, I had to switch off two lamps cause it reached 31C :(
Although it's easy for most people to access local grow shops and get something right now, here they're such fuggin stoner's they may not even open. Especially when the sun shines.....
Give me a few days and I'll introduce some direct passive vents from the outside walls to the grow area. I'll probably make 3 12 inch entries.

I need to start thinking of bug screens though as the intake is so close to fruit trees that are suffering this year. White fly, black fly and bastard fly. The apple trees are unaffected, but the plum and pear trees have been fucked completely :mad:
They look mid Autumn :(

tripps

07-24-2008, 06:12 PM

Jeez, Burnsy, can't believe how fast they grow for you! Friggin amazing.

Mr Burns

07-24-2008, 06:22 PM

Jeez, Burnsy, can't believe how fast they grow for you! Friggin amazing.

Pass the growth around buddy, pass the growth around :D

Foxy

07-24-2008, 07:40 PM

I'll probably make 3 12 inch entries.
No need to brag... :o

I need to start thinking of bug screens though as the intake is so close to fruit trees that are suffering this year.
Inline washable filters dudette... get one a size bigger than your ducting and use reducers, so there's no extra reduction in suction. ;)

You would not believe the amazing amount of stuff mine catch. In fact, next wash I'll show you the screen as I take it down. You lucky Bastard. :p

I wouldn't of worried too much about late 80's F matey, I was early 90's for a while today. I know it slows growth and other bad stuff but it's only a few days out of the year. Well done for getting to late 80's anyway.... ;)

majestyk5

07-25-2008, 08:32 AM

nice setup burns. i like looking at grow rooms prolly as much as whats growing in them:D

Mr Burns

07-25-2008, 02:16 PM

Cheers maj :watch: I know what you mean....

I'll say this, the colas are on a roll with stretch. Over night they must have grown 4-5 inches :eek: If you think I'm telling porkies take a look at the cola at the back in front of the grill on both pics. Yesterday and today. (Also noticeable in second cola right from centre)

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I also removed the runt today for the greenhouse observation. It's showing partly unfurled female hairs when the rest have bud formation, so runt or not its best removed so the remaining plants are all in time :)

majestyk5

07-25-2008, 02:42 PM

wow that issome serious growth burns

Mr Burns

07-25-2008, 03:01 PM

Bloody amazing I say. I went in there this morning and 4 or 5 colas were touching the lamp diffusers :eek:
Gonna be good in a few days when this stretch halts, cause I can't wait to see how good the bud development is :drool:

CezarCronic

07-25-2008, 11:26 PM

Very nice looking plants Burnsy , I'm very impress with your speed in growth rate:eek:, i can also see having the right temps in water do make plants grow faster and healthier :cool: Very good man2thumbs

hazewarrior

07-26-2008, 02:20 PM

:peaceman:GO HYDRO!!!!

Mr Burns

07-26-2008, 03:32 PM

Cheers guys. Every day exceeds the previous day growth 3 fold :) The only thing that could bite me however is too much stretch.

If these flower within 8.5 weeks and produce well, not amazing but just well, I'll be getting some standard stock and getting a mom from that ;)

I give you, just 12 days growth :)

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CylonBud

07-27-2008, 06:08 AM

12 days! :eek: Holy fook Burnsy that IS impressive sir. Good show mate! :D

Cranky

07-27-2008, 07:38 AM

not sure if i mentioned this before...i only flowered 2 strains early,,,,before alternating nodes,,,was at 4th or 5th i think but on both strains they seemed to stretch like fuck for me,,,still stretching strong into the 5th week:eek:....

i aint flowered early since then.could of just been the strains or setup but just thought id toss that up for yas.

amazing growth indeed mate!

cranks

Mr Burns

07-28-2008, 01:22 PM

Thanks guys. Maybe you're onto something Cranky. Maybe its something in its genes that has it do this when flowering before alternating.
I must add that I've flowered all my fem seeds before alternating nodes without this much stretch, but going back to its genes, maybe there's something in it :shrug:

I'll add more pics later to show progress :eek:

Mr Burns

07-28-2008, 03:49 PM

Pics as promised. Note one of the un-topped plants are half the height of the topped ones. A total of 4 are shorter than the topped plants and some of the topped plants are equal to the highest un-topped :shrug:

Did that make sense :hmmmm:

PH 5.7
EC 1.4
RT 27C/80F
NT 23C/73F

tripps

07-28-2008, 07:17 PM

Mr Burns

07-30-2008, 04:06 PM

Yes, but no.
I forgot to mention, inbreds excepted :p

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Plants are still stretching with both the topped and un-topped lower and taller than each other. Work that fugger out :confused:

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PH 5.7
EC 1.3
RT 58%
NT 23C/73F

Pic 1: Left hand door.
Pic 2: Right door.
Pic 3: Left door taken high looking down.
Pic 4: Right door high looking down.
Pic 5: Example.

Mr Burns

08-01-2008, 04:27 PM

Major fugg up yesterday. I was in work area outside the grow room and was refilling the whole system after flushing out the old. With the taps to the root zones turned off I added £60/$120 of CannaBoost and 600ml of Regeneroot, plus my usual dose of Canna Aqua flores to get it all circulating and bring the period of final PH and EC adjustment time down.
Seeing how I know it takes apx 11 minutes to fill the system with 360-400 litres of water I thought I could make a quick phone call, rather than stand over what normally seems eternity watching the tanks fill. Big mistake. The person I called had some news which distracted me and after 20 minutes I bolted out of my seat and up to the grow. Yup. Flooded out. The whole room had 2 inches of water in it :slap:
Some know I use a pond liner in the room which dresses up the wall 6 inches, which thank god I do because this is the second flood I've had. First here, but second total.

On the bad side I wasted some money through breaking the golden rule on not leaving the grow unattended during a flush.
On the good side the pond liner caught it and with a sponge and bucket I drained most of the water out. I say almost as I'm not about to navigate my way through the plants bending up and down sponging and breaking side branches. Seeing how this is early flower I'm confident the warm air will dry the rest up and give a little humidity, but again this is early flower so no worries.

Now I want to gripe about Canna's Nitric PH down bottles. They're crap. Last week I though I was bitten in the grow rooms work room after coming up in red itchy marks up one of my legs. Yesterday I used the bottle again and Nitric acid was flicking in all directions :eek: I grabbed a rag and dunked it in the res wiping arms and legs down. God only knows what would have happened had I got it in my face :eek:
I opened it up and the soft washer that sits in the top of screw top bottles had disintegrated. WTF :shrug: A fuggin strong complaint to Canna me thinks, and I never thought I'd ever be saying that before now.

So fluid levels are all ok but the PHing has suddenly become a nightmare. Well a nightmare to me :)
PH was 6.6 and knowing it takes 5ml of Nitric acid to reduce the PH by .2 I added 20ml, which should give me a reading of 5.8
6 hours later (considering it only takes 20 minutes to fully circulate with both pumps on) and the PH is 6.4. :shrug: I add only another 10ml seeing how a PH of 6.0 would suit me as with the flood and these erratic PH readings I just want a break. It just wasn't fun anymore.
2 hours later and the PH is 4.9 AAAAArrrrggghhhhhh FFS give me a break :mad: Just give me a number between 5.5 & 6.0 PLEASE! :mad3:

I gave up. I added some city water and watched the PH raise to a fuckwit other end of the scale 6.1. I'm sure I was loosing the plot and just wanted to lock the door and forget about it for a day or two, hence the ever increasing woes of getting the PH down.
PH is now at 6.0 and it can stay there. I clean the probe every calibration so I know its not muck, but I am suspicious of the probes ability and 3 year age. Maybe I should look into getting another one :shrug: But then again, working with Pho acid for PH down I have never ever had any issues, but both times now, I have had nightmares with Nitric acid from Canna.

Them plants must talk to each other at lights off and say "well he's had a good run girls, about time we gave him some crap to deal with" :haha:

Bugger. Here's a picture

:crazysign

majestyk5

08-01-2008, 05:12 PM

man, burnsy, glad u were able to clean it up. hope fully no harm down.
valuble lesson though. i will remember

tripps

08-02-2008, 09:09 AM

God only knows what would have happened had I got it in my face :eek:

IDK, buddy, I'm having a hard time imagining it been anything other than an improvement. ;)

Any particular reason you prefer the nitric over the more common phosphoric?. My neighbor did something similar mixing a tank of bug killer for his yard sprayer. I walked into his garage and saw this tank of poison overflowing in his garage, which has a floor drain that leads to his Koi pond. Turned off the hose and grabbed a 5 gal bucket and ran to where the drain dumps into the pond, caught as much as I could, yelled til he and his wife came out and grabbed more buckets as the first one filled. Funniest part is he had a problem with sunfish taking over his pond and eating the eggs and koi fry as soon as they were hatched. Killed every single sunfish in the pond, yet he lost not a single koi. Probably could never replicate that exact dosage again, either.:rolleyes:

Foxy

08-02-2008, 02:30 PM

I'm always glad I copied your "growing in a pond" technique, it's saved me from a jail sentence twice and from ruining thousands of £'s of electricals once. ;) I dunno though, if I would've left the tap running if I didn't have the pond!??! :shrug:

I used one of my nute pumps to get rid of the first few inches of water and then used one of those Vax wet vacuum's to get rid of most of the rest (dunno if that'll help you?) but then, as you, I left the last couple of mm to dry by itelf. It was gone in 3 days, so don't worry. 2thumbs

Also, I'll join the rant about Canna's new bottles... :mad: Have you bought their new 5l Cannazym? You gotta use a Canna tool JUST TO OPEN THE BOTTLE!! Tossers. :rolleyes:

Lastly, be very careful with your nutes Matey, it sounds like your getting VERY similar symptoms to what San and I used to get with Aqua... and other nutes. Shat me mate, I hope it's not the same, 'cause it's hell, but in a nutshell I could slowly add pH down, and as I added more it would go like this:

7.3 (base), 7.0, 6.8, 6.4, 6.4, 6.4, 6.4, 6.4.... 4.1 :mad:

Add a bit of Silicon to bring it back up to mid 5's, then.... next morning it's either 6.5 or 4.1! :damn:

Quick summary, wrong nute combination for my water. Buffered completely wrongly for my tap. So.... long way of saying it Matey, go back to what works, which seems to be Aqua with phos pH down?? pH is everything dude. ;)

Even though you are an arse of royal proportions, nothing you've done is bad matey, don't beat yourself too much. 2thumbs Let us do that for you. :deal:

Mr Burns

08-02-2008, 03:48 PM

valuble lesson though. i will remember
It was a personal rule Maj. Never leave the grow area during a flush. Another is never take a beer in with you after I'd once picked up an unopened bottle of PH down instead of my beer and only realised the mistake as I spotted my beer with the PH down a few inches from my mouth :eek:

IDK, buddy, I'm having a hard time imagining it been anything other than an improvement. ;)
That's why I love people like you and Foxy. You take your frustrations out on me. I should start charging you knob ends :)

Any particular reason you prefer the nitric over the more common phosphoric?.
Location location location. Only two shops and both heavy stoners. The one I like to use is directly opposite a cafe used by trades I have worked with or alongside. If just one person sees me walk in the hydro shop it'd be the talk of the trades so I can only go Saturdays when its shoppers using the cafe opposite.
Next thing is because they're such heavy smokers they failed to open up shop this last 3 Saturdays :mad: so off I go to the other one which is staffed by the owners fuckwit friend. The guy doesn't even know what a carbon filter is :slap: Anyway, knowing they have stock out the back I asked if he had any Pho acid, "whats that then" he asked :slap: I mentioned PH down and he said he'd seen it written on a bottle..... somewhere :coffee: After 10 minutes he came out with "ahhhh this is it, PH down" :rolleyes: I asked if he had Pho PH down instead of Nitric and he asked what Pho was. "Its OK, I'll take the Nitric right now!"

Bet you didn't expect the complete version but there it is. A day in the life of me dealing with fuckwit Hydro shop owners, not that they're all like that :2cents:

Good call on the fish. P[itty you can't replicate the dose ;)

.....then used one of those Vax wet vacuum's to get rid of most of the rest (dunno if that'll help you?) but then, as you, I left the last couple of mm to dry by itelf. It was gone in 3 days, so don't worry. 2thumbs
Vax is a good idea but like you I knew I was going to be left with a few mil that'd be too logistical of a nightmare to entertain, so I sponged away. I knew it'd evaporate but you saying a few days has me feeling better about it :2thumbs:

Quick summary, wrong nute combination for my water. Buffered completely wrongly for my tap. So.... long way of saying it Matey, go back to what works, which seems to be Aqua with phos pH down?? pH is everything dude. ;)
Just what I'm going to do. Never a problem with Pho acid including expected swings and a pretty accurate big dose when filling up with a little fine tuning after a few circulations. This Canna crap can go take a leap anf what's with this tool for opening its bottles :shrug: I remember something being said but a fuggin tool? Bet it isn't free either!!
I love the Canna Aqua nutes as you know. I just can't fault em even though I've not tried another brand. I've sometimes thought of switching brands but I've never ever posted in any nursery forum over nutrients, so why change things :shrug:
It has to be the Nitric. I had issues with it before but that time I was also using Canna Substra in NFT :o

It'll all be sorted. I'll see if I can get a disguise from the joke shop and get in the 1st hydro shop Monday :courtjester:

Foxy

08-02-2008, 05:03 PM

It has to be the Nitric. I had issues with it before but that time I was also using Canna Substra in NFT :o

I fully agree Buttface. I'm no chemicalogilist (that's the correct term :coffee: ) but I'll carry on anyway, and it's all about balance for your water, no one elses. And lets face it, it comes down mainly to how the NPK ratio interacts with the micro elements, and then how the whole lot is buffered.

Par exampleur: The amount of Phos acid I needed to add to the Canna Aqua and local tap water where I lived, effectively added too much P to the mix. That sent the delicate ratios out of whack, et voila.... HELL. :mad:

For you, I bet that it's the massive amounts of N that you could be effectively pumping in by using Nitric acid. :shrug: From memory you started using it at the end of veg? That would also then explain why the leaves got so dark green, in fact darker than in veg?*

*The whole of the above is a complete guess, I'm just picking stuff out of the air.

Mr Burns

08-02-2008, 05:58 PM

You mentioned water supply Nettle Man and I have changed twice. I'm now using the same supply as when I first started out and it was the one in between that also gave me trouble with nitric.
I totally agree its part water make up, but I'm also thinking maybe Nitric and Canna's Aqua has issues more broadly across differing peoples city water issues. After all, water content across the world being a lottery what would they have tested it on, if at all :hmmmm: After all, Nitric is Nitric.....
Like I said, with Pho acid I have never encountered a problem with anything relating to PH. Period. The two times I've used Nitric and growing becomes a chore and not a pleasure :(

As a note, I have never ever had an issue with Advanced nutrients Pho bottles. I've always shook the crap out of them and never a drip from the lid.

hazewarrior

08-02-2008, 07:52 PM

The only way to accomodate any type of nutes. is to get a RO water filter which runs around $200us. May not be a bad idea if you can afford it. The city water were I lived ran about 550ppm out of the tap. An RO filter brought it to about 10ppm. IMO, use what works, trial & error.

oh yeah.... ur doin a great job Mr Burns!

Foxy

08-02-2008, 08:50 PM

I totally agree its part water make up, but I'm also thinking maybe Nitric and Canna's Aqua has issues more broadly across differing peoples city water issues.

That's exactly what I mean bruva, it takes just one of the "big" variants to knock a delicate balance out of whack...

Like maybe:

Canna Aqua + Phos Acid + Your water = Good times
Canna Aqua + Phos Acid + My Water = Bad times

or maybe:

Canna Aqua + Phos Acid + Your water = Good times
Canna Aqua + Nitric Acid + My Water = Good times ???

or what you suspect:

Canna Aqua + Nitric Acid + ANY Water = Bad times

You just gotta find what works, like ya have, you clever girl! ;)

I met a Canna rep at a hydro store and when I asked him about Canna Aqua he said it was engineered to properly buffer water with a "meduim" starting EC and ph, down to within proper hydro range (so I'm guessing around ph5.5-6.2 ish), when used at full bottle-stated strength. So he was basically saying it works best with "average" water.... :rolleyes:

As you suggest though, there's average, and then there's really average-ish... and then there's us!!! :shrug:

08-02-2008, 09:02 PM

As you suggest though, there's average, and then there's really average-ish... and then there's us!!! :shrug:

aint that the truth:rolleyes:

interesting info fellow's

:pass:

Mr Burns

08-03-2008, 05:31 AM

The only way to accomodate any type of nutes. is to get a RO water..
Thing is Haze, flushing and getting the EC & PH back on target has always been a pleasure when using Pho acid. Whenever I am due a flush I can look at the clock, see an hour and half and happily go get one in. I never think of it as a chore, until now with this Nitric... :mad:

Canna Aqua + Nitric Acid + ANY Water = Bad times

Spot on. In fact everything you said is just my way of thinking.

What I'm also thinking is what pool of water did Canna research on for using Nitric with Aqua? How far from Oosterhout in the Netherlands did they collect water data to get a broad spectrum (all be it a very 'loose' broad spectrum) if they did at all?
They'd have never cracked the nut no matter how many samples were taken from however many water companies, but seeing how Pho acid is the grow standard PH down why on earth they decided to market Nitric is beyond me :hmmmm:

Fools.

San

08-04-2008, 04:31 AM

The problem with phos acid in very hard water is the ammount you have to add ;) lots of phos can cause an imbalance later in the crops life, a couple of weeks after the high phos levels skewed the nute profile ;) the very fact that it takes a couple of weeks to show symptoms means most people don't connect the dots ;) Point being you didn't have those issues anyway :D

If you're using nitric, you can use flowering nutes from the get go ;) meaning you don't have as much of a chance of over doing the N a bit later when the EC's want to be higher ;) which is probably whats skewing your nute profile now, too much N. Think about nute ratios, too much N means a lot less P and K when you need em in flowering, so the plants will be trying to adjust pH to a range where they can pick up the extra P K etc. which is why your pH is not behaving as you'd expect for this stage in the grow ;) did you add a whole load of P & K with that booster? maybe that will balance things a little, but it may also be slewing the profile further, or complicating things a little at least :eek: I just think it's a case of not being aware of the new buffering point tho, you just went a little heavy handed with the nitric IMO and the pH fell off the buffering cliff.

Now, a note on hard water. The level of hardness is not neccesarily the problem with the phos, tho it is in some cases if it's an accumilation issue. No, it's usually the other elements in the hard water ;) If your water is taken from a surface source (e.g. river to water tower) chances are it has too much potassium (more K) from ago chems running off farmland into the river. So, the only way you can know for sure, is a water test.

After about 3 years fucking about with shyte water (surface source), I got a proper sample done, which showed up very high potassium levels, this was skrewing with the nute profile, causing iron def because the excessive phos and K locked out ca, which is needed for iron takeup and transport (I think:D ) it only happened when I tried to reduce EC's to a point where the EC remained stable, clearly at that point EC is way too low in very hard water as the EC should in fact be rising slightly as water is taken up by the plants, the ratio of unwanted background crap in the water should be rising, so you get to a point where everything is going great and the EC is creeping up ;) if you miss a res change, or do it late, the ratio of background crap becomes toxic and causes nightmares, so my rule was always change res when you're down to 60-50% volume to be sure ;)

Did I ever say pure RO water encourages bacterial slime? Did I ever say you should mix it with tap to 0.4 EC to avoid it and further enhance your micro nutrient levels with Ca and Mg? thought I did somewhere :D

Geary Coogler from Canna US reckoned 0.75 EC is about the max background EC for Aqua, it was canna who pointed me to the other elements causing issues, told me to get a sample done and actually said it was probably potassium causing the issue. They're pretty good when you get to talk face to face with em ;) They had a slide show powerpoint thing showing a map of the netherlands with all the water sample results on, some people were using aqua in 0.8 EC water straight from the mountains without issues, others had issues on a much lower EC from a surface source, where they were recomending RO filtering and mixing that to an initial EC of 0.3 -0.4 for best results.

Not that I think any of that helped you at all :rotf: it all sounds good tho :D

I can confuse myself sometimes :D

edit Now, do I have to relate a story about a grower sucking nitric into a syringe that was previously used to add phos? Do I have to remind you the fire brigade was called for a chemical incident once the poor chap had the syringe blow up in his face nearly blinding him? How he was sat outside a growhouse on the pavement waiting for the ambulance to turn up when the fire bobbies arrived instead and wanted to inspect said chemical incident? NO, I don''t think I do, because every grower knows to NEVER have PHOSPHRIC in the same biulding as NITRC - fuggin splashing Nirtic all over yer legs :doh: raving mad pal :D

San:smokin:

Foxy

08-04-2008, 07:42 AM

I don't care what everyone says San.... I think you're alright. ;)

(I taught him everything he knows )

I dunno what I'm more excited about, getting some Nitric acid to play with it, or the fact there's someone in the world called "Geary Coogler" :eek:

Mr Burns

08-04-2008, 04:33 PM

I don't care what everyone says San.... I think you're alright. ;)
Two faced git. Last you PM'd me you said he's as useful as a one legged man in an ass kicking contest :p

I dunno what I'm more excited about, getting some Nitric acid to play with it, or the fact there's someone in the world called "Geary Coogler" :eek:
Geary Coogler my ass. Well, truth be known, I enjoy reading his synopsis of everything green. I bet he's into midgets though :2cents:

....so my rule was always change res when you're down to 60-50% volume to be sure ;)
Thing is san, if you're saying 60-50% from plant uptake I'd be flushing every other day even at 360-400 litres :confused Yup, that's the plants rate of thirst and hunger.
This makes it not viable financially for me to use additives such as Cannaboost at £60/$120 a pop :rolleyes: Not to mention PK13/14 :shrug:
I think I'll be flushing towards the end of the week and if that means a lot of crap in the res for this week so be it. I'll be flushing more regular after that, but not when the PK has gone in cause I'll be holding back again and then flushing more often up to harvest :)

Do I have to remind you the fire brigade was called for a chemical incident once the poor chap had the syringe blow up in his face nearly blinding him?
I'd put money on his name being Basil Brush :2cents:
Similar to mixing PH up and down then :eek:

Interesting write up san the man, and without taking anything away from research (Geary Coogler esp), but don't you think (and this question goes to you too Foxy) plants over the grow period can adapt to a growers regular pattern of deviation :shrug: I use deviation in the sense of skirting the parameters of growing and not with throwing caution to the wind.

I believe plants can be swayed. With a stick ;)

Second pic shows where they're about to be 'chicken legged' :)

San

08-05-2008, 04:05 AM

Cheers Foxy, I'm obviously gonna have to learn to type better with coffee comming out my nose round here :rotf:

Well, truth be known, I enjoy reading his synopsis of everything green. I bet he's into midgets though Oh yeah, they're all worth talking to, that is, if you don't mind em all poncing yer spliff in the interim break ;) fuggin free loaders <lol> Still nice bit of name dropping eh :D

BTW Mr Moderator (kneels down in servitude) can we organise a :lol: smilie? this rolling around on the floor malarky is wearing my clothes thin :D

thing is san, if you're saying 60-50% from plant uptake I'd be flushing every other day even at 360-400 litres Yup, I had 2x 300 lts in a similar space under 3kw, res changes every 4 days in peak uptake :sigh: That was on 0.8 EC from the tap, with excessive potassium. You probably don't have the exact same issue, obviously or all yer plants would be dead by now :p I'd say your probably just looking at excess Ca n Mg from the background hardness, you mite face accumilation issues with phos, but if you've been adding PK 13/14 with good results I can't see it being an issue personally :)

I'd put money on his name being Basil Brush <lol> I heard it was "fuckghin Judy" that's how Devs refered to him :D

plants over the grow period can adapt to a growers regular pattern of deviation Yeah, I agree, plants will grow quite well in spite of us trying to kill them :D

Looks like more chicken leggin than Bernard fuggin Mathews :D Looking almost jungle stylie ;)

San:smokin:

tripps

08-05-2008, 12:40 PM

Hi B. I'm starting to gather up my stuff for my DIY E&F veg tray, just a quick question. I assume the reason for the third tray inside the cathment tray is that the bulkhead fitting in the catchment tray doesn't allow it to drain completely? And I remember you advising Cezar that you like to flood to the top of your cubes. (I think many only flood 1/2 way or so, but I'm thinking a full flood prevents salts and such from accumulating in the upper part of the cubes). Last question (for now), my plants will be going into 2 gallon, 10" diameter pots of hydroton, how big of a rockwool cube do you think I will be able to transfer into the hydroton pots? 3"? 4"? Or doesn't it really matter? Hope you don't mind me posting it here, I figure I might not be the only one who could benefit from the information.

You should split off the beginning part of this thread and post as a sticky, IMO. I actually thought you did, Ilooked everywhere but here for it. LOL

Mr Burns

08-05-2008, 04:23 PM

can we organise a :lol: smilie? this rolling around on the floor malarky is wearing my clothes thin :D
:laugh: Its in the smilies san just not the same text your used to.

TBO I've never had problems with this water when I have a good strain going. I say that cause of the hermie Dutch passions I've experienced but whether that was part water issue or not I don't know :shrug: but I don't think I've had real issues besides.
So you were flushing every 4 days :eek: I can understand your plants will have benefited but I've done the whole 6-9 week flower with two flushes :o once when I PKd and one at the finishing flush, and still pulled em off :) Thank god!

BTW, I think I made a boo boo when switching to Nitric :o You know these nutriculture trays and the moulded ribbing in the bottoms? Well during a flush you can't get the last 7-10 litres of fluid content out without mopping it up through the inspection gap with a sponge, so I don't bother. 4 Tanks = 28-40 litres of old fluid content remaining in the fresh fluid content and maybe what Nitric that remained acted against the Pho acid :shrug: Maybe you know gwasshopper :shrug:

assume the reason for the third tray inside the cathment tray is that the bulkhead fitting in the catchment tray doesn't allow it to drain completely?
Having an inner tray hiked up allows for true flooding of the cubes as the excess can overflow into the catchment tray and then drain down at speed to the main res by way of the large skin fitting, so placing them in a tote alone without a hiked tray could cause you problems in it not draining quick enough, in which case it could flood the grow area out should the pump run continuously, or drain too fast where the pump couldn't catch up with the drain.
Anything without a catchment tray and hiked plant tray has its problem areas IMO so I stick with what I built to protect me from both flooding and not flooding enough.
BTW, the reason I chose a large skin fitting one end is because I pump the nutes from the opposite end of the res. That way the whole fluid volume circulates and experiences the whole cycle not having dead spots.

...and I remember you advising Cezar that you like to flood to the top of your cubes.
Someone out there will say they have the definitive answer on what's best but I'd treat it as personal preference tripps mate. I get roots poking out of the rockwool cubes at the top edges so knowing there's root matter there I want to treat it.
Also what you said about build up by half flooding a cube, I can't say if there would be or not, but if you're thinking it I'd do it bud cause that's why I do shit and it seems to work. So far.

....how big of a rockwool cube do you think I will be able to transfer into the hydroton pots? 3"? 4"? Or doesn't it really matter?
I've no experience of clay pebbles and I don't want it either, but thinking on the plant side of things I'd want it getting used to feed dosing as young as possible so I'd go for just the starter cube if you're attentive and wouldn't have flood times too far apart.
Also, a large block would remain sodden as flood times increase and I'm unsure how that'd work out later into the plants life :shrug: Upper root rot :shrug: I don't know.

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Sorry if my typing is pretty mono tone guys but I'm struggling to even gather a thought let alone type up shit. I feel right out of sorts. Not well at all.

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Flushed today reverting back to Pho acid after draining down the whole system, refilling it with plain water and then draining down again before using the Pho acid.
Everything went like clockwork with all the numbers dialling in as per usual prior to the Nitric episode. With a full circulation of fluid content every 20 minutes I normally have the numbers spot on in an hour and a half but knowing the PH will rise .2 with the dead spots entering total fluid content after another hour and a half.

I can't express how happy I am to be back into my usual flow but it makes me realise that when your system works for you that perhaps stocking up on what matters most is a good idea, even though I only bought one bottle of pho... :slap:

I backed off on the EC from 1.4 to 1.2 after seeing small amounts of tip burn.

PH: 6.0
EC: 1.2
RH: 57%
NT: 21C/70F

Foxy

08-05-2008, 08:17 PM

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I feel right out of sorts. Not well at all.

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Hope you feel better soon Matey. Plants and canopy look ace. ;)

CezarCronic

08-05-2008, 11:46 PM

Looking very good my friend Burnsy ;) , hope your heath improve in the coming days :)

I could not stay away from F&D tray so i build one and is working very sweet , also a use a cooler as reservoir and now i only use 3 medium size pop frozen bottles a day:D .

Thanks a lot for all the help ;)

http://www.homegrownbud.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=16702&stc=1&d=1218001547

http://www.homegrownbud.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=16703&stc=1&d=1218001547

San

08-06-2008, 03:30 AM

4 Tanks = 28-40 litres of old fluid content remaining in the fresh fluid content and maybe what Nitric that remained acted against the Pho acid Nah, think of the dilution rate. If anything it's probably less than 1-1-1 NPK, if you include the phos, I bet the ratio is like 1 - 50 - 1 (not accurate only for ratio example)

I was thinking about all this 'fine tuning' and plants growing in 'spite of us' yesterday. The old racing car analogy fits quite well IMO. Given sufficient fuel and a decent road, any car will get you there if you don't miss basic maintenance, even if you have to use a pair of tights for a fanbelt. Now turn to the fine tuned racing car, if you get the tuning right, a dry track, and a bit of luck, you'll get a much better finishing place, but it's no good applying a pair of tights if the fan-belt goes, the fuggin thing is so finely tuned you just know the race is over with a slight hiccup :D

Its in the smilies san just not the same text your used to. No, I meant find a smilie to fit :lol: :laugh: :D

I got confused about the E&F waffle with you n tripps :p I think the best way to set the flood level is a raised plug (tube type) like they have in science labs or commercial pot washing sinks, a raised tube instead of a plug raising up out of the flood tray. Then the pump floods the tray to the level of the raised tube, solution runs back to the res from a bit of a height down that tube, increasing Dissolved O2 as it drops back in the res (or use a floom pump in the res for a quieter return and pipe the overflow) you need another smaller drain hole in this scenareo, or the fuggin table would remain flooded :D don't go bigger than about 3/8" or the flood cycle takes too long to fill in the first place, but you can experiment with the hole size so it fills slower/faster if you want :)

With potted media, I would try to get them established in starter cubes and transfer straight to hydroton - or if you need an intermediate stage, say a preveg area prior to potting up in the 2 gal, 3" cubes mite make that a bit easier, tho you could always pot up straight into the 2 gal once you have a root pom pom and transfer those around quite easy. The more cube volume you start with, the less attention watering wise in the early stages. Some people like that flexibility, I have a mate who kills so many cuts because he let those real small starter cubes dry out, I moved him onto the 1" starters and told him to transplant at 10 days weather they had roots or not, now they do take a little longer to root properly, but they never dry out on him, so a lot of the decision is down to how you work IMO :)

Flood levels. I'd have the plants quite deep in 2 gal pots, probably about half way down the pot in 1" starter cubes. As they grow, I'd chicken leg em, and top up the hydroton to about 3" off the top of the pot, and then flood the tray to within 4" of the top of the pot, then I would put a layer of DRY rockwool flock, or perlite with some netting or something to stop it falling between the hydroton - the top dry barrier is to prevent fungus gnats and algie ;)

I feel right out of sorts. Not well at all. Hmmm I'm wondering if Nirtic residues reacting with the phos would be enough to produce PHOSGENE gas, that nerve agent :eek: But, to be honest, I'm seriously pulling your pisser :p

Hope you get well soon you fuggin lightweight :D

San:smokin:

Mr Burns

08-07-2008, 02:59 PM

Cheers Foxy :)
Stick with it Cezar :)
San, Cezar built one before I knew he had and styled it on what I managed to put together, otherwise I'd have suggested going down the tray with flute version.
Like I say, I wanted them hiked to use the lid as a cover plate from pests ;)

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PH is behaving and I've added half a litre of PK 13/14 giving an EC of 1.6. A lot higher than norm so I expect some tip burn to kick in.
Bud sites are now popping up everywhere and expanding at a rate I'm quite happy to witness. One particular plant is simply superb. Perfect side branching and cola formation for me and only 3ft tall. I might try and clone this one and hope for the best. BTW, the other 15 are now head height :rolleyes: Oh and no, that's not 4ft 3in :p
Ambient temps are good for this time of year and it looks to stay cool. I can live with this ;)

San

08-08-2008, 12:16 PM

San, Cezar built one before I knew he had and styled it on what I managed to put together

Thats what I get for logging in to answer, didn't see Cezar's pics :teef:

Nice Job Cezar, real compact, nice n simple 2thumbs

San:smokin:

Mr Burns

08-08-2008, 04:13 PM

Thats what I get for logging in to answer, didn't see Cezar's pics :teef:
Shit, you've witnessed me posting a magnitude worse so what the hey :shrug:

Grow room is back on track with the PH ultra stable at 5.8 throughout evaporation and surprisingly the EC of 1.6 remaining stable after 25% fluid evaporation :)
4 weeks to go with these and each day the bud sites are swelling at an alarming rate. Not so much with the topped though.
Since adding PK13/14 yesterday its obvious its made a difference. The pistils are so much longer and far more bleach white than 2 days before.
Pics show two of the smaller un-topped plants. First one being my personal choice as best of the 'shorties'...

Mr Burns

08-11-2008, 03:29 PM

Topped off today with apx 80 litres with the PH at 6.0 & EC at 1.4.
Guessed at 3x5ml syringes of Pho acid and 120ml of both Aqua A&B. 90 Minutes later and I have a PH of 5.8 & EC of 1.5 :D Don't you just love a smart ass :p

If I had to be picky about this grow its regretting topping some of them. Luckily it was 6 of the sixteen and not half the grow as first planned, but its not a disaster in any case ;)

I picked up my White Russian seeds today and am looking forward to the return to what's my best looking strain yet. Getting a grow down to 6 weeks from clone to home I just haven't read about, or if I have they just never looked as good as the Russians.

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Pics are various including one of the three colas that were bent at right angles and not 'tweaked'. I just can't do that teasing and rubbing a stem between thumb and finger to 'gently' lay a cola over. 1 second is all I need :) Get down shep......

Mr Burns

08-11-2008, 03:33 PM

Snapped cola.....

CylonBud

08-11-2008, 03:44 PM

Snapped cola.....

Been there done that.:rolleyes:

08-11-2008, 03:46 PM

I just can't do that teasing and rubbing a stem between thumb and finger to 'gently' lay a cola over. 1 second is all I need :)

how i do mine when low on overhead :) looks like ya saved 5-6 inch's if not more in upward growth:D

sounds like ya dialed in pretty good now:cool:

bring em on home

Lilbud

08-13-2008, 07:45 AM

Aye up :D

So this is where everyone is hiding......it's no wonder the other place is going down hill rapidly!!!! :lol:

Looking good Mr B...:thumbs: tripps mentioned you were having a bit of a mare with your pH so i thought I'd come take a look see... one of my girls has been playing up the last cpl of weeks, and I just can't seem to get a handle on it....

Gonna park my arse over here in the corner and have a good read .... ;)

Smell ya later ;)

LB

Mr Burns

08-13-2008, 10:24 AM

one of my girls has been playing up the last cpl of weeks, and I just can't seem to get a handle on it....
Well slap me sideways with a toilet brush. Howdy partner :D
That tripps is like the local fog horn I tell ya Lilbud ;)
My PH issues were using Nitric and not phosphoric acid for PH down. Why not get a pic or two up in the nursery and you'll be sure to get some input :shrug:

Smell ya later ;)

LB
Not if I smell you first, which is more likely :p
Good to see you buddy :gthumb:

looks like ya saved 5-6 inch's if not more in upward growth:D
For sure CB. I really thought the 'snap and go' technique was a little rough on the girls and I even considered splints (for .01 of a second :laugh: ) so to see em come back how I'd hoped is superb :)

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PH & EC are stable at 5.8 & 1.4 through a shrinking res, so all looks good and dialled in :D

tripps

08-13-2008, 11:30 AM

one of my girls has been playing up the last cpl of weeks, and I just can't seem to get a handle on it....

That tripps is like the local fog horn I tell ya Lilbud ;)

Foghorn Leghorn, ya mean.
I say, son, I say, the chips are flying son, but ya ain't choppin' no wood!

Lilbud was contemplating switching from phos to nitric ph down, so I sent 'im your way for some good advice. He's got the worst cal defic I've seen to date, and no one can figure it out. When one plant behaves differently from all the others, I always wonder if there is some mutation on the cellular level, how would you ever know? Ya know?

Mr Burns

08-13-2008, 04:08 PM

I say, son, I say, the chips are flying son, but ya ain't choppin' no wood!
:laugh: I've not heard that one before. Class 2thumbs

Lilbud was contemplating switching from phos to nitric ph down..
:yikes: Lilbud will no doubt be back reading and see what I think of Nitric :mad3: I wanna see some pics of his plants :damn:

Lilbud

08-13-2008, 05:08 PM

Lilbud was contemplating switching from phos to nitric ph down..
:yikes: Lilbud will no doubt be back reading and see what I think of Nitric :mad3: I wanna see some pics of his plants :damn:

Hehe....thanks for the warm welcome mate ;) Good to see some familiar names on here...I had wondered where you'd all defected too ;)

I read somewhere that Nitric doesn't cause any unbalance in the nute solution Like phospheric can, so I thought this could be part of the issue with my plant... but saying that, a few peeps seem to think it might actually be the Water, so uck knows!!

I'll stick a piccy or two up for ya'll to peruse ;)

Foxy

08-13-2008, 05:54 PM

I'm not gonna hijack Burnarse's thread Lilbud so I'll keep it short but of course I'll answer whatever you want if you start your own thread or pm or whatever buddy... ;)

You probably have the same water as me and I can only get on with Ionic or Optimum. I've spent the money on and failed with Canna Aqua and Substra, Vitalink, Canadian Express and Metrop. Start a nursery thread if you like and we'll compare Cal def pics... :laugh:

Mr Burns

08-13-2008, 06:45 PM

Mr Burns

08-14-2008, 09:26 AM

5 Weeks 3 days of flower. 1st September will be 8 weeks.

PH read 4.7 this morning :eek: Overnight the fluid level dropped a half during lights out, something I've never encountered before :2cents: Time to flush.....

EC 1.6
PH 5.8
RT 28C/84F
NT 22C/71F
RH 44%

Added half a litre of PK13/14 and half a litre of RegenaRoot :) Tip burn do to high EC inc PK13/14.

Pics showing the various pheno types of the un-topped plants.

http://www.homegrownbud.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=16826&stc=1&d=1218727333

Mr Burns

08-22-2008, 11:50 AM

Been looking at the plants these last few days and in particular the undergrowth which I never chicken legged :o
On a positive side the topped plants (pic 2) have bud sites to the lower branches which are a relatively good size, considering, and even the un-topped plants (pic 1) are showing acceptable popcorn probably resulting from the massive stretch and in return the lack of uniform canopy letting light through :confused

Seeing how its sooo green at the lowers I've decided to flush now. Week 8 would be September 1st so I'm imagining a 2 week flush minimum with the possibility of an over run into a third.
The flush itself went superb by filling with fresh water in at the overflow end of the tanks and draining from the remote res, which is fed from grow room pump at the opposite end to the overflow and fresh fill. Quite amazing to watch the PH rise and EC fall whilst maintaining the fluid levels. A kinda 'transfusion' :gthumb:

This is it, the home run. I just hope I've guessedimated it right :)

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EC 0.6
PH 7.0
RT 26C/79F
NT 19C/66F
RH 48%

Cranky

08-22-2008, 01:18 PM

are those spatulas hanging from ya lamps as heat shield mate?

looking awesome burnsy!

top growing ;)

cranks

HATCH

08-22-2008, 04:10 PM

Great Thread!!!,,,,,,,& Even Awesome'r Plant's!!!!!,,,,,,,Great Grow From Start To The Last Leg!!!!,,,,,I Injoyed The Read,,,,,,,,& Wish You The Best Of Luck!!!!,,,,,,,Later,,,HATCH:D

Foxy

08-23-2008, 07:37 AM

Are they starting to swell Matey? Or have you just noticed the flowers have stopped forming? Just curious... :)

There's so much energy stuck in them that I reckon you could easily do a couple of weeks with no nutes. 2thumbs

Mr Burns

08-23-2008, 05:18 PM

are those spatulas hanging from ya lamps as heat shield mate?
:laugh: To be honest Cranks, if I was on clone grows and could plant out with experience of the strain I could do away with em. Good thing is that they're made in China which makes them bendable as a chocolate sword, so I can adjust them to the 'unknown canopy' ;)

Wish You The Best Of Luck!
Cheers Hatch and welcome buddy 2thumbs

Are they starting to swell Matey? Or have you just noticed the flowers have stopped forming? Just curious... :)

There's so much energy stuck in them that I reckon you could easily do a couple of weeks with no nutes. 2thumbs
Yes yes and yes. The green pineapples have formed within the buds and have swollowed the hairs roughly half, but there's been a 4 day stall on a Nute EC of 0.4 & a PK EC of 5-7.
With them figures in mind, the stall and exactly what you mentioned regarding the plants holding so much energy I decided to dump all feed and flush. BTW Basil, I got that Canna Flush, ever used it :shrug:

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I've said it before and I'll say it again, that having even the first major leaf structures since veg still green, alive and firmly attached to the main stems speaks volumes for how well Canna Aqua nutes work for me. Even considering the Nitric episode :goofy:
I imagine some people think this is a superb attribute to behold having such lush plants in late flower, but its a double edges sword in having to force maturity on the plants.
Its easily achieved by flushing/running on plain water for 2-3 weeks but when running an unknown strain its all a gamble IMO, and especially if you crop by your tric ambers because you could end up cropping before the plants have been stripped giving a far longer cure time, IMO.
I imagine the opposite can also happen by loosing all leaf integrity too early and still observing clear ambers, which would be a shitty place to find yourself in shoukld you be after a couchlock stone :rolleyes:

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EC dropped from 0.6 to 0.5 overnight so they're looking for food which is good. My thoughts are with RO at this point. Using RO at the point of flushing could be a smart move for me cause topping off with city water at 0.6EC is only giving the plants a 'little' back rather than having them stripping their own resources :confused
I was talking with that reprobate Lilbud in chat who sourced an RO machine for less than $200 which could be a good move considering.......
If anyone wants to talk the difference between cheap and expensive RO filters I'm all ears :)

Foxy

08-24-2008, 02:36 PM

RO filters.... It's gonna be different for you dude 'cause you're a waterboy and happy playing with plastic but I started off with a cheapy from ebay. It had 3 filters and I got so bored with how slow it was I took the 3rd filter out to speed it up a bit. EC without the 3rd filter was 0.2 but that was stilll loads better than my tap of 0.9 :rolleyes: Basically, all those cheaper ones are cool if you've got a storage tank and the time to let it fill. And the brains to hook it all up. ;)

I then got a GE Merlin, which was powerful enough to use straight from the faucet. 2thumbs It was great, on normal mains pressure it produced 1.6lpm (6mins to fill a 10litre watering can) and I never looked back. ;) I used it for everything, not just the grow... :D They're around £300 though. :o

Mr Burns

08-24-2008, 03:09 PM

Thanks matey :gthumb: Looked at that GE Merlin and I could fit it to also feed the kitchen sink so everyone benefits. I'll take your word and what I read on the company website and go for it, but, besides my point of RO being good for the flush I'm supposing I can only benefit from it during feed time too :shrug: In other words, if you were me, would you consider getting one? I'm already sold on the benefits to the family.

Did you have any thoughts on the Canna Flush :shrug:

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Leaves on some of the plants are already being stripped. You can see in some pics how some are starting to go lime green. This is good news as 3 of the topped plants are days away from the chop but I'm gonna hold back and get at least a weeks flush through them.
I'm also considering venting the exhaust under the lawn to a water feature where a fountain will disguise the extraction. Its all pie in the sky but its a thought as we should be having more people around next year when the garden should be fully planted out and in bloom.

Mr Burns

08-24-2008, 03:11 PM

....and there's more...

Lilbud

08-24-2008, 03:19 PM

Cheers for that Basil 2thumbs

The merlins do sound like their the one's to have, bit spendy for me unfortunately...

Gonna have to have a good think about it....She's after a new lappy tommorow, so moneys tight!

Thanks again Bud ;)

EDIT...

Fug me bro..you been dusting them with Icing sugar or what....:erm: Wish I could get trichs like that on mine....:slap:

Nice growing Bud!! 2thumbs

Foxy

08-24-2008, 05:34 PM

In other words, if you were me, would you consider getting one? I'm already sold on the benefits to the family.

If I wanted an RO filter and could afford the Merlin, I'd go for that one again, yes indeed. It was the only one I could find that was fast enough to just use straight from the output, that wasn't HUGE amounts of money. We also used it for drinking water, filling the kettle, iron, cooking, ice, etc. Since I've moved back to the City and the water here isn't as bad, I didn't bring it with me. As I said though, part of the reason I liked that one was it was really easy to set up and plumb in, whereas you being more competent may be able to get one of the storage tank types working well for you. And a note, you have to have decent (I can't remember the minimum bar presure but it'll say it on the site I'm sure) mains water pressure, if not, you'll need a boost pump. ;) ) If you want another opinion, I believe San still uses the same type, so wait for him to read this??

I'm sure you know this guys but no matter what you get, don't use just RO water for your grow eh? You need to get some tap back into it so it has some buffering, otherwise you'll be on a pH roller coaster and your res will get covered in a jelly slime. :( Also, your fav nutes may not work when you start changing your base water.

I got my best results using 8 parts tap to 2 parts RO, which resulted in water at the low end of "hard" water. That ratio, combined with the Hard Water Optimum nutes was what got me up to and through the 1g/w barrier. I've recently learnt through San's posts that mid week top ups with just RO water may be a good idea...

Did you have any thoughts on the Canna Flush :shrug:

Sorry dude, you did ask that... No idea, never used it. :shrug: Bear in mind matey, you're doing a 2-3 week flush, so I'll be surprised if anything is left at the end, but I do remember you saying at the end of one of your grows that it had a wierd taste, but I thought that was the ROX grow??

08-25-2008, 05:40 PM

I'm also considering venting the exhaust under the lawn to a water feature where a fountain will disguise the extraction. Its all pie in the sky but its a thought as we should be having more people around next year when the garden should be fully planted out and in bloom.

fook em just plant to 75% and tell em sorry :o

Mr Burns

08-29-2008, 10:29 AM

... I do remember you saying at the end of one of your grows that it had a weird taste, but I thought that was the ROX grow??
It turned out to be a non food grade container :slap:

I've decided against an RO unit. My base EC is now 0.6 so I don't think its worth the hassle.

fook em just plant to 75% and tell em sorry :o
I've not grown flowers for nearly 4 years so am really looking forward to next year and getting some colour in the garden :)

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Plants are ripening off so this really is the home run. I'm going to flush the plain water this weekend and add some Canna Flush to aid the flushing procedure :gthumb:

Pics as of today.

CylonBud

08-29-2008, 12:04 PM

They are looking frosty and sweet Mr Burns. Very nice grow ya got there mate. :D

Mr Burns

08-29-2008, 02:11 PM

Cheers Cy. Its looking like another staggered harvest starting this weekend :confused Just a shame they differ so much with some having at least another 10 days in em, but I ain't gonna start griping :)

Foxy

08-30-2008, 06:38 AM

Just a shame they differ so much with some having at least another 10 days in em, but I ain't gonna start griping :)

Then allow me...

I HATE that!!! :mad: Keeping 600 watts burning for one or two plants.... GRRRR!!!

They do look very good though. ;)

tripps

08-30-2008, 07:35 AM

Some people would complain if ya hung them with a brand new rope. :p

Mr Burns

08-30-2008, 02:43 PM

I HATE that!!! :mad: Keeping 600 watts burning for one or two plants.... GRRRR!!!
Tis a sod for sure Basil, but I've at least 2 weeks until the cuts could be ready to go in. Had I a tray full of babies to go in I'd be pissed, and not just at the bad timing ;)

Some people would complain if ya hung them with a brand new rope. :p
:hmmmm: I'll have one of what you're smokin tripps

Mr Burns

09-01-2008, 05:18 AM

Well fuckety fuck. Talking about mould in another thread and the fact I've only ever experienced with a SK variety and looky what I found this morning :laugh:
Gotta laugh.....
Found this on one of the bunch needing the most time to finish off, so without further ado I'll be giving them the axe today.

Lilbud

09-01-2008, 05:30 AM

Damn O.o

Shame about that Bud....How long did they have left??

CylonBud

09-01-2008, 05:39 AM

Too bad Mr Burns. Mold rots ass.:mad: What do you think happened? Dead spot in the air flow or something? :cool:

Pistol Pete

09-01-2008, 06:13 AM

I Have Just Ordered Some "Bud ROTSTOP":rolleyes
" It Destroys Existing Infections And Restores Your Plants To Full Health ":rolleyes:
" Budrotstop Works By Effectively Forcing The Botrytis ( Bud Rot ) Spores To Germinate On Your Plants And Then Eliminate Them As They Form :rolleyes:
This Completely Removes All The Spores And Contamination Of Your Plant Whilst Protecting It Against Future Attacks
:rolleyes:
As You May Have Noticed My Eyeballs Have Not Sopped Rolling In My Head Since Placing The order For This Too Good To Be True Product For £20+

But I Have A Outbreak On Three Plants ( Stems Browning - Fluffy)

Oh , Just Give Me Three Weeks Of Sun
I Suggest U.K Growers Spend Daily Inspections , Meticulously
PP

Foxy

09-01-2008, 07:19 AM

Unlucky Burns. :(

The rest of her looks mature enough to smoke though... Or maybe bubble her? ;)

Best wishes for the trim up. :)

tripps

09-01-2008, 12:55 PM

Bummer, dude, hopefully an early enough catch. :(

Mr Burns

09-01-2008, 01:27 PM

Thanks for your thoughts guys but its no real biggy. You have to laugh it off rather than let the weed drag you down eh! ;)

I've drained the tanks down as much as possible for now and switched everything off except extraction and the heater. I'm hopefully going to get at it tomorrow sometime but right now I'm hedging on what's the next best move regarding growing.
There's jobs to do like putting chicken wire across the back hedge seeing how something is scaring the shit out of the cats almost every night and they can't all fit through one cat flap at once! I'm pretty sure its a fox coming over the field but if I can divert it rather than have to kill the bastard I'd be a much happier guy.
I've still got Kitchen, hall and 1 bathrooms internals to finish off and really should start getting knuckled down and not having myself easily distracted!

As soon as I get to this chop I'll get some pics up to show what the extent of mould there actually is.

BTW thank you for the suggestion on using a bud stop Pete, but I've already been flushing these plants 10 days or so and would rather wind it up than introduce a chemical/bio at this stage. I don't even know if that product gives the bud any taste, but when I think about it I'd be much happier bringing them down as they are.

As for bubble hash nope. I've said it before and I'll say it again. "That shit takes me places I'd rather not be" :)

Thanks again.

Mr Burns

09-01-2008, 02:23 PM

I just had a good look and I'm gonna have to get in there first thing tomorrow and not come out till every bit of plant is processed.

The arse wipe of mould spores:

http://www.homegrownbud.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=17372&stc=1&d=1220300410

dredank

09-01-2008, 02:36 PM

dang burns that is some beutiful bud bro:erm:
keep it up:D

CylonBud

09-01-2008, 05:02 PM

majestyk5

09-01-2008, 05:24 PM

i dont know what i am looking at. looks fine to me

CylonBud

09-01-2008, 05:33 PM

i dont know what i am looking at. looks fine to me

The brownish and grayish spots are moulded mostly the gray. Shame really. :(

majestyk5

09-01-2008, 07:09 PM

must be my peepers

CylonBud

09-01-2008, 07:26 PM

In the middle both length and width of the bud. Not the normal whitish flower parts but the more gray area in the center. Kinda looks like rabbit fur. :D

Pistol Pete

09-02-2008, 01:25 AM

I Was Out All Day Yesterday With Cuticle Scissors And Milk ( Antifungal ) Nipping Off Tiny Outbreaks Along The Branches, And Shaking Off Excess Rain:o
In About 4-5 Days The Tail End Of Hurricane Gustav Should Pass Over Europe And That Would Be The Final Nail In My Outdoor Coffin:eek:
I Think It Was A Good Move In Hindsight To Move The Mr Nice Super Silver Haze Into My Growtent;) ( Probably 30% RH:D )
Not All Is Lost
Remember You Can Always Remove Offending Blotches And Make Alcohol Based Hash ( NO Water Hash !! );)
PP

Mr Burns

09-02-2008, 06:03 PM

1st Trim done and hung :hippy:

I'm happy to say that the mould wasn't as bad as first feared. I probably lost 2oz to the mould but what was mostly disappointing was that the un-topped plants really could have done with another 10 days or so.

One thing I wanted to pick up on was this strain. For the first 4 hours or so all I smelt was citrus and sweet at that, then one plant I started attacking smelt friggin awefull. It was a smell I knew but couldn't finger straight away. Another 3 or 4 plants later and I hit one again but as I were trimming it hit me what the smell was, diesel :hmmmm: Also the pheno types were all over the place on closer inspection :2cents:
The difference in smell is so obvious which leaves me questioning Greenhouse seeds on their claims of the strain originality, or packaging procedures. I have to say this is the last time I grow GreenHouse seeds, period. If ever I go mainstream again I'll go back to Serious seeds after experiencing all these other mainstream banks.

End yield looks down by roughly 20% but it could have been the high extra dark hours.