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Fred Lemonjello
06-21-2008, 04:01 PM
Marijuana Is In, Tobacco Is Out Under Netherlands' Smoking Ban
By Martijn van der Starre


June 20 (Bloomberg) -- Starting July 1, marijuana will be the only leaf that can be smoked in public places in the Netherlands. Cannabis devotees aren't celebrating.


Local pot smokers, who usually cut joints with tobacco, and owners of the ``coffee shops'' where they are allowed to light up will have to change their habits when the nation implements the indoor tobacco ban (http://www.horecarookvrij.nl/). Puffing a pure marijuana cigarette in public will still be permitted; smoking one with tobacco will merit coffee shop owners a 300-euro ($466) fine for the first offense and 2,400 euros for a fourth.


``Every customer will have to learn how to smoke pure,'' said Robert Kempen, co-owner of The NooN and Mellow Yellow in Amsterdam, which sell marijuana and hashish. The rule makes him ``sick to death,'' he said, rolling himself a joint.


Coffee-shop (http://www.amsterdam.info/coffeeshops/) proprietors say the ban will put some of them out of business as smokers stay away. The nation's 720 outlets that serve marijuana smokers generate a large portion of their revenue from selling drinks, food and rolling papers to their patrons. Dutch sales of cannabis alone totaled 1.2 billion euros ($1.86 billion) in 2001, according to the most recent figures (http://www.cbs.nl/nl-NL/menu/themas/macro-economie/publicaties/artikelen/archief/2004/2004-1546-wm.htm) available from the nation's statistics bureau.


To permit tobacco smoking, shops will have to build separate, unstaffed rooms, and many say they don't have the space or money to do so. Others are investing in water pipes and $400 vaporizers, initially intended to aid people with lung problems inhale medicine, to help smokers light up without tobacco.


`Times Have Changed'
``It's a bad year for marijuana smokers,'' said Gwydion Hydref while smoking in Coffee Shop Johnny. The Welshman works for Wickedtrips, a company that offers vacation packages, including a ```no holds barred' weekender'' to Amsterdam ahead of the smoking ban. ``Times have changed.''
The Netherlands follows other European countries in banning tobacco. Ireland was the first country in the region to forbid smoking in public places in 2004. Sweden, Italy, Malta, France, Belgium, Finland, Lithuania, Portugal and England and others have followed, with full or partial restrictions.


The Dutch ban (http://www.minvws.nl/en/themes/smoking/), which prohibits tobacco smoking in all public places of employment to protect workers' health, is only for tobacco and makes no change to marijuana policy, said Saskia Hommes, a spokeswoman for Dutch Health Minister (http://www.minvws.nl/en/)Ab Klink (http://search.bloomberg.com/search?q=Ab+Klink&site=wnews&client=wnews&proxystylesheet=wnews&output=xml_no_dtd&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&filter=p&getfields=wnnis&sort=date:D:S:d1). The government will have to see if the law is enforceable, she said.


The Netherlands decriminalized the use of marijuana in 1976, though it stopped short of fully legalizing the drug because international treaties prohibited it from doing so. The country's first coffee shop, named after Donovan's song ``Mellow Yellow,'' had opened its doors four years earlier.


`Bloody Awful'
Government policy toward the shops has become less lenient in recent years, with the number dropping by 39 percent in a decade as authorities cracked down on sale to young people and revoked the licenses of owners who commit crimes.


Still, the shops have devoted patrons who are upset about the latest development.


The ban is ``bloody awful,'' said Nima Gani, a musician smoking at The NooN. Gani plans to stop visiting The NooN and smoke his ``Blueberry'' marijuana and tobacco joints on the street.``I feel like my freedom is getting smaller and smaller,'' he said.


To enforce the new policy, the government has more than doubled its number of food and consumer product inspectors to 200, said Bob Kiel, a spokesman for the Food and Consumer Product Safety Authority (http://www.vwa.nl/portal/page?_pageid=119,1639634&_dad=portal&_schema=PORTAL). The agents will make unannounced visits to bars, restaurants and cafes, as well as coffee shops. There are no guidelines to help inspectors distinguish between a mixed joint and a pure one, he said.


Hashish and Joints
Coffee shops sell everything from pre-rolled joints for 3.50 euros each to hashish for as much as 18 euros a gram, said Mark Jacobsen, chairman of the Amsterdam Association of Cannabis Retailers. The ban will make it even harder for the shops to stay in business as visitors and revenue will drop, said Jacobsen, who is building a wall to divide The Rookies (http://www.rookies.nl/), a shop he co-owns.


``Sales will definitely fall,'' said Rida Oulad, who works behind the counter at Ibiza in Amsterdam. ``Why would you go to a coffee shop where you can't smoke and the only remaining activities are sitting and watching television?''


Gani, for one, isn't happy about the changes. He says he can't smoke at his real home because his mother would hit him ``over the head with a pan.''
Still, he has no plans to stop rolling joints mixed with tobacco: ``Smoking pure grates my throat.''

Mr Burns
06-21-2008, 05:17 PM
LMFAO. Would this be the same councillors to exclude European member citizens the right to smoke in coffee shops unless with a Scandinavian background :shrug:

Would I get visa requirements having housed a human in my basement for a lifetime?

SmokinMa
06-21-2008, 07:56 PM
Doesn't bother me....I think tobacco is nasty. :p

CylonBud
06-22-2008, 06:27 AM
Doesn't bother me....I think tobacco is nasty. :p

Couldn't agree more SmokinMa. Never smoked tobacco and never will. Smells putrid. :eek:

gorilla
06-22-2008, 12:03 PM
What complainers! Smoke your weed like real smokers and forget the tobacco. :D Really, who cares if they can't cut it with tobacco anymore? Tobacco kills people very year, marijuana doesn't. These smokers should be more understandable. They act as if it's horrible to smoke it without cutting w/ tobacco. Pussies. :D hahaha only playing of course.

SmokinMa
06-22-2008, 06:24 PM
Haha gorilla, love it. :D

Dawg
06-22-2008, 08:02 PM
Gotta indoor ban coming our way for baccy....can go out on patios and inside bars....(where food is not served). Don't hear any smokers really complaining. We figure we'll go outside or something...
Business will slow at first for em...but smokers will get used to it. IMO

CB
06-22-2008, 10:03 PM
got tons of bans on cigs here no can do in bars and the such and even in ya car with kids


50 feet from this and 50 feet from that..... like smoke'n weed in public and watch'n ya back side....

FFF

becky420
06-23-2008, 01:11 AM
I smoke cigerettes right, When i Moved over here and got around people who smoked weed and they was mixing the weed with tabacco..I was like what the hell you doing DuDe? skinning a spliff? i said ok.. but I dont smoke my weed like that..They asked how ? then..I said hand me a pipe of a bong or roll me one with out tabacco.. I had a really good friend tell me.. bexs you smoke this with out tabacco yer going to be passed out in a hr..
I said you let me be the judge of that...
(says the girl who was smoked it right since 1975)

So i smoked some with out and I outlasted them .they couldnt believe i was still standing.. moving talking , fuctioning..they said how can you do that ..i said this is hows its done in the USA we dont mix tabacco in..
straight DuDe..
I do occ. smoke weed with tabacco or hash (3-papered spliffs/joints) but i smoke it straight with no tabacco most days..hash right out of the pipe..
and as for smoking whatever in the public view..Its hard to smoke anywhere in a "big brother nation" such as the UK (CCTV and all) you never know what camera is on and watching you..
I have a camera just in front of my house that if i dont close the curtains they can see me and whatever i do in my house.. either by zooming in or looking in the wall giant mirror ..i am sure of it.. so i have to be on guard always..another good reason its time to go..give me a tree to hide behind any day..

Dawg
06-23-2008, 07:21 AM
got tons of bans on cigs here no can do in bars and the such and even in ya car with kids


50 feet from this and 50 feet from that..... like smoke'n weed in public and watch'n ya back side....

FFF

I don't get why ya can't smoke in a bar. It's ok to get smashed and hurt your liver, but not ok to smoke a cig. I think it should be the bars choice to allow or not to allow.
As far as the kids in the car, I can see where the parent should have the right, but also see where it endagers the kid tho....that one is a toss up for me.
But in the end, I don't really think the Govt. should tell us how to live our lives. But I can see resteraunts and stuff...just etiquette not to smoke around non-smokers....I always ask out of politeness if its ok to smoke. Even if they are in my car or home.

sombro
06-23-2008, 08:27 AM
surely unless the dutch police start an active campaign against smoking tobacco in the coffeeshops nothing is going to change. In the rest of europe police are too busy to deal with this sort of "crime" and will only act on a complaint, almost always from a nonsmoker I'd assume.

Can you see anyone complaining about how smoky a coffeeshop is?

Cranky
06-23-2008, 11:18 AM
weed isn't legal in Amsterdam either;)

goto love the way are minds tick...its the same as a non driver going upto a driver and saying"could you stick hose pipe on your tail pipe and feed it into your car please"why should the non driver breath in your pollution?

same thing right?its just that society says its ok to spew shit into the atmosphere through a car so nobody batters an eyelid.non driver v non smoker....id smoke a pack of 20 cigs any day than suck in exhaust fumes from a car for 5 mins.

everybody would but after the nonsmoker gets his/her ways with these non smoking ban they jump in there cars and drive about spewing out more shit into the atmosphere in one journey than a smoker does his/her entire life.

like i say,funny how are minds tick ;)

cranks

sombro
06-23-2008, 12:39 PM
yeah, who pays for the fucking health service anyway??

I just wish that non-smokers would stop polluting the air with their puritanical whining!