Another Micro Grow?!?!

[hazewarrior]

Specs on the grow box (http://www.homegrownbud.com/forums/showthread.php?t=4609)

These are the bag seeds for the Emoto Grow experiment I am doing.

6/1 Day1 - Germination started using the cup of water method. They poped within 24hrs.
6/5 Day5 - Planted sprouts in 1" rockwool grow cubes
6/6 Day6 (pic 1)
6/8 Day8 - Planted cubes in 3" pots with mini cubes (pic 2)
6/11 Day11 - (pic 3)
6/12 Day12 - (pic 4)

Right now I'm using MG liquid plant food 8-7-6 (bag seeds)
35% H2O2
Thrive Alive B-1
PH Down

Light cycle - 18/6

[CylonBud]

looks like they're off to a good start hazewarrior. :D Good luck!

[hazewarrior]

This one is my front runner. It has nice broad leaves and a thick stem. Let's hope it isn't a male...

[CylonBud]

Looks good leaf wise but has a little stretch. :) Try putting something under them to raise them up closer to the lights. It costs nothing and will re leave some grief later. ;)

[Mr Burns]

Right now I'm using.....35% H2O2..
35% :eek: It only takes 15% to bleach human hair :eek:

Those rockwool cubes look odd. Very loosely packed Haze. Any story behind why they're so loosely packed?

[hazewarrior]

Right now I'm using.....35% H2O2..
35% :eek: It only takes 15% to bleach human hair :eek:

Those rockwool cubes look odd. Very loosely packed Haze. Any story behind why they're so loosely packed?

The 35% H202 is powerful stuff. I use 2 drops in a 1/2 quart of water. Your skin will turn white if you touch it.
I normally pack the cubes really tight but I did something amazing this time. I read the instructions! :eek: It told me not to pack the cubes. I also ussually top them off with geolite. I think I'm still going to.

[hazewarrior]

Hey Mr Burns, I did this one for you. :D

I put one drop of the H202 on my finger tip. This is what happened 1 minute after I wiped the drop off my finger. It was on there for about 15 seconds. :eek:

[CylonBud]

You might want to blur the exposed/unaffected finger tips for security reasons hazewarrior. ;)

[hazewarrior]

I've been feeding the 1/2 quart of water per day.

[hazewarrior]

You might want to blur the exposed/unaffected finger tips for security reasons hazewarrior. ;)

Not too worried about it. But you're right. ;) What would that look like if the feds arrested a medical pateint with a 4 plant micro grow. :rolleyes:

That should do it.

[CezarCronic]

Hey Haze warrior looks very nice dude , great stuff man you never know what you get out of bag seeds but i have got very good plants front bag seeds .

I be checking out all your progress friend keep up the good work :D



C.C...:peaceman:

[hazewarrior]

I would have to agree. You never know if a grower had a super strain that got infested or finished wrong and they had to dump it for cheap. :)

[Mr Burns]

Hey Mr Burns, I did this one for you. :D

I put one drop of the H202 on my finger tip. This is what happened 1 minute after I wiped the drop off my finger. It was on there for about 15 seconds. :eek:
Haze. Most know but were new to each other so you wouldn't know I'm a plumber ;) H202 is probably the least corrosive liquid I use and am licensed to use :2cents: ;)

Haze when you mentioned 35% H202 I took it as percentage volume of your hydroponic fluid content, hence my amazement that those seedlings at the beginning hadn't jumped out their pots and smacked you one :p
Being the bottled content volume I can understand.
I think its the way we each produce journals. I always state %'s in the hydro system and not what's on the shelf unless asked. No one is to fault, its just personal preference to presentation.

Kudos on Cylon for getting heads up on the finger tips 2thumbs You don't need a criminal record to be noticed, you just need to fuck up later in life and have earlier shit come back to haunt you ;)

Looking forward to seeing you grow one out :)

[hazewarrior]

Gottcha Mr Burns. 2thumbs I'm sure you have access to some nasty stuff.

Thanks again everyone for lookin out.

[CB]

The staff will also be delete'n post/avi's/cig's at will to protect the poster's that has no clue on safety. this could include user account as well. don't post pics of body shots or fingers that we can see finger prints... they will just be deleted with no edit why. this is for your safety
(http://www.homegrownbud.com/forums/announcement.php?f=5)

[hazewarrior]

I hope Fathers Day went well for everyone....

[Shadows]

I hope Fathers Day went well for everyone....

Looks as though Fathers Day was well for you. Some nice healthy babies you've got there Haze!

[CezarCronic]

I hope Fathers Day went well for everyone....

Great looking plants Haze:watch: , hope the same for ya on Fathers Day":)

[hazewarrior]

Looks like I need to give them some more food. They are eating more than I expected.:confused

:haha:Check out the " BRINKS " security system. Best on the market!

[CB]

Looks like I need to give them some more food.

couple look like they could use a bit more.... go easy tho as they don't look like there starve'n yet.... just hungry

:pass:

[Shadows]

Right now I'm using MG liquid plant food 8-7-6

Hey bro, is this still the case? Do you have hydro ferts, or some that will be better suited to the medium the plants are in? Really does look like some kind of imbalance, especially with the uneven coloration in the leaves. Hows your PH looking?

[hazewarrior]

Right now I'm using MG liquid plant food 8-7-6

Hey bro, is this still the case? Do you have hydro ferts, or some that will be better suited to the medium the plants are in? Really does look like some kind of imbalance, especially with the uneven coloration in the leaves. Hows your PH looking?

I thought the same thing. :hmmmm:The PH was a little to low. I fed them and adjusted the PH slightly higher. It should be around 5.9 - 6.2 now. Within 10 minutes all the plants where praying to the light. It did the trick.;)

I need to go to the local hydro store. I have some GH 1 part Bloom (standard stuff) but I'm all out of grow. I don't know if I can justify buying some good nutes for this grow. They are random bag seeds and I still don't know their gender.

I've used a few differant ferts in the past. Anyone have a good recommendation for a hydro(rockwool) micro grow?

[Shadows]

I've used a few differant ferts in the past. Anyone have a good recommendation for a hydro(rockwool) micro grow?

Since its just a test grow, you could try out the same nutes Im giving a go. I find them at Lowes, Better Gro Orchid. Seems to be working great in another inert medium for me. would cost 8 bucks to get both bags, lol
Also, Ive heard alot about Homes and Garden hydro nutes. similar to AN, but cheaper by a long shot.

[hazewarrior]

I find them at Lowes, Better Gro Orchid. Seems to be working great in another inert medium for me. would cost 8 bucks to get both bags, lol
Also, Ive heard alot about Homes and Garden hydro nutes. similar to AN, but cheaper by a long shot.

I've seen Better Gro. Never tried it before. I also have, some Schultz Azalia 33-11-11 and some Vigoro 24-8-16 w/nitroform. I gave them a dose of the Schultz but I don't think they liked it very much. It didn't do any damage but I'm not getting the response I was lookng for. I've used the Vigoro in the past and it seemed to do ok. I think I'll give the plants a flush and intoduce the Viguro.

I'm not to sure about this Thrive Alive B-1 I've been using. I'm kinda a big fan of Super Thrive and have had excellent results using it in the past.


Is this the stuff you're using?

[hazewarrior]

After the flush and a dose of Vigoro. :)

I think I need to up the nutes a tad but everything is going well. They seem to be filling out and I should be able to determain gender soon. I do plan on using bushmater so I still have plenty of grow time. I've been thinking about throwing the 70watt HPS in there for bloom but I've never flowered using CFL's so I might like the first hand experiance.:watch:

[CB]

healthy look'n thats fer sure

:watch:

[CezarCronic]

Haze they look very sweet bro :greatjob:, keep up the good work friend :peaceman:

[hazewarrior]

I was reading the section about CFL's for flowering in the OG Faq. It says the only 3 circumstances you should consider flowering under CFL's. Those are:

#1 Expense (I did the math on the energy usage of the box. Right now I'm using about 2KW's per day. 60KW's per month @ .10 per/kw = $3.60/month) Definatly not an issue!:D

#2 Space ( 1 sq.ft or 2 cb.sq.ft) Only option would be a 70watt HPS with remote ballast but that doesn't leave much height for the grow.:rolleyes:

#3 Heat (based on my last grow with the 70watt, heat was an issue. I had to crank the AC up all the time effecting the overall cost and still had high temps. in the box):o

The other thing I need to take into consideration is the stealth factor. A remote ballast would make more noise and be exposed. I kinda like the fact that the box is self contained.

[Dawg]

Yo haze, lookin good bro. :D
I notice the 70W HPS alone don't cut it....I had better results using the CFL's, but combined. I was happy. The 70W and 50W just don't pack a lot of punch, but when I added some cool white CFL's my plants loved it...HPS and CFL's worked great. Over 100W HPS I don't even notice, but suplementing those 70W with CFL's worked wonderful for me ;)
I got best yeild off of (1)70W HPS, (1) 50W HPS and a few 32W CFL's Had to step up some exhaust tho. in about 2sq.ft.

Thirve alive does not have the growth hormone that super thrive does. It's not B1 (it's got it in it) it's some growth hormone that superthrive only has...dude that made it kept it pretty quiet. ;)

Lookin great bro. :D

[CylonBud]

Thanx Dawg this is good to know. I have a ballast for a 250w HPS I plan to buy a bulb and use along with a pair of 125W cfls and two pair of 65 cfls. :eek: I have flowered a BB male with one 65w (like a 300w incandescent). :D

[Dawg]

Reason I said over 100W HPS not to bother except for shady spots in the grow.
Can't get em close enough over 100W. 70W I can get within 2-3 inches bout same as a self ballasted CFL IME.

[hazewarrior]

I had better results using the CFL's, but combined. I was happy.

Thanks Dawg, now that I think of it you're right. I used the 70watt HPS and 2 - 13watt CFL's last time. I wanted both ends of the light spectrum. I'm running about 5200 lumens (78watts) in 1 sq.ft. now. I can't wait to see how they turn out. How tall did you let them go? Do you have a recent link you can shoot me?

In a 2 foot high grow area, 3" inches is a lot of space. Especially when the pots are 4" tall. Realistically I only have 18" or so of grow height. ;)

[Shadows]

Thirve alive does not have the growth hormone that super thrive does. It's not B1 (it's got it in it) it's some growth hormone that superthrive only has...dude that made it kept it pretty quiet. ;)

Lookin great bro. :D

Look for a product in lowes or homedepot, something like Tomato Blossom Set Spray. Dont spray it on the plants, mix 3-4 ml per gallon of water and water the plants with it. The secondaries will explode, and its around 7 bucks a bottle.
Do a google search for Bonide Tomato Blossom set spray, you'll likely find a link to the Tomato RotStop they offer too. A good Ca source.


Hey Haze I hear you on space man. I used to grow in 32" but there was a floor 5" up, leaving me with 27". A 150hps up top and CFLs stuffed where ever I could. Had some great grows in that setup, and if I had to would go back to one similar.

[hazewarrior]

Here are some picks of the previous grow. Let's see how well the CFL's do by themselves.:D

As you can see, I've made several modifications to the box and I am using an entirly differant method.

[CylonBud]

Plants look good hazewarrior. What is the large round media in the pots?:hmmmm:

[majestyk5]

lookimg good bro

[hazewarrior]

Hey thanks guys, but those pics are from a previous grow. I'm hoping to see the differance between a CFL grow and a CFL/HPS combination grow.:)

[CylonBud]

Hey thanks guys, but those pics are from a previous grow. I'm hoping to see the differance between a CFL grow and a CFL/HPS combination grow.:)

Me too. I'm watching! :watch:

[RedEyezzzzz]

Plants look good hazewarrior. What is the large round media in the pots?:hmmmm:


Called hydroton, clay pebbles basically.

[hazewarrior]

Plants look good hazewarrior. What is the large round media in the pots?:hmmmm:


Called hydroton, clay pebbles basically.

They pop them like popcorn. The inside is like lava rock.

[hazewarrior]

Things are looking good.:)

As you can see, these two are different varieties. One is bushing out and the other continues to grow up. The leaves on the one growing up are slimmer. The other two look like they are from the same plant. It look like a total for three different varieties. All unknown but my front runner looks like a hybrid. :D

The blue marks on the ruler indicate growable space. From top to bottom the ruler is 24". The distance between the blue lines is 14". Once I have shoots suitable for clones I will switch to bloom. I'm thinking the end of next week. :confused

[hazewarrior]

It looks like it may be time to flower. I can't take the clones I need for the Emoto Grow but I don't want to over grow the space. I could top them but I'm afraid it might effect the amount I harvest and the pots may not be big enough to accommodate the extra root growth. :o

My front runner is going through puberity but I think it may have a set of nuts. :cry: That may explain the faster growth and maturity.

[CezarCronic]

Tell me about 't bro i just found a set of nuts in one of my plants in veg room man:mad:.

Nice looking plants man :) keep up the good work bro ;)

[Shadows]

It looks like it may be time to flower. I can't take the clones I need for the Emoto Grow but I don't want to over grow the space. I could top them but I'm afraid it might effect the amount I harvest and the pots may not be big enough to accommodate the extra root growth. :o

My front runner is going through puberity but I think it may have a set of nuts. :cry: That may explain the faster growth and maturity.

Veg'm for 1 week after topping and the yield shouldnt hurt at all. Pot size can be helped by better management of nutrients and increasing the frequency that you feed them.

[hazewarrior]

I switched the lights to 12/12 today and gave them a dose of bloom nutes. The past couple of waterings have been plain PH adjusted H2O2 in preperation for the switch. Notice some yellowing at the very tops. :)

I purposely started germination on the first of last month so it would be easy to remember how old the plants are. June 1st/germination; July 1st/bloom day 1. ;)

[CylonBud]

They're are filling out real nice hazewarrior! :D

[Shadows]

I switched the lights to 12/12 today and gave them a dose of bloom nutes. The past couple of waterings have been plain PH adjusted H2O2 in preperation for the switch. Notice some yellowing at the very tops. :)


Why start bloom nutes on the switch to 12/12? The stretch phase should still be considered Veg. Depriving the plants of the necessary N in this phase will have a negative effect on yield.

I always used veg til about day 10 of flower (on clones). Then switch to a mix of flower and veg nutes for a week. After that -because of the nutes I use- it was flower food steady with 1 feeding of veg every 2 weeks. Watch them lower leaves, if they yellow before you start seeing budset you need to boost the N.

[Shadows]

Forgot to mention man, you're doing a great job in that confined space.

[Dawg]

Forgot to mention man, you're doing a great job in that confined space.
He ain't done yet. ;) This boy here can micro grow :cool:

[hazewarrior]

Why start bloom nutes on the switch to 12/12? The stretch phase should still be considered Veg. Depriving the plants of the necessary N in this phase will have a negative effect on yield.

I always used veg til about day 10 of flower (on clones). Then switch to a mix of flower and veg nutes for a week. After that -because of the nutes I use- it was flower food steady with 1 feeding of veg every 2 weeks. Watch them lower leaves, if they yellow before you start seeing budset you need to boost the N.

Thanks for the tip Shadows! I'll keep an eye on those lower leaves. ;) The Bloom nutes I'm using are more of an all purpose mix (10-30-10) so I add some Bloom enhancer to it with every feeding. I'm hoping to minimize the stretch phase as much as possible and I've got the Bushmaster ready. :D I am a little worried that they are going to start drinking more water than I can be there to give them. They get watered once a day and I leave about 1/8 inch of water in the saucers for them to suck up. Maybe I can find wider pots?

Anyother usfull tips to get the most out of a micro grow? Knowledge is power!

[Shadows]

Anyother usfull tips to get the most out of a micro grow? Knowledge is power!

Yeah, as soon as possible, if not already, have a separate veg chamber running. It can be a rubbermaid tote with a circuline mounted to the lid and a computer fan for air flow. Something so you can veg before going into flower.

I'd also put a screen in there and mount the lights above the screen 4-6". Scrog to get the most out of the area and lighting.

If it were me, and it has been for 4 years now lol, I'd toss the bushmaster out and throw a screen in. Use the stretch to your advantage and get as much bud from the plant as it'll give you.
Keep in mind your lights intensity and penetration. At most, you're getting 4-5" of penetration into the canopy. Trying to grow buds larger then that will not help your yield. Scrog the buds out so that you see a bunch of 3"ers instead of a few 5-6"ers. My yields went up a good 30% by puttin a screen in and I was allowed to flower any strain with any strain, cause the screen managed an even canopy.

[hazewarrior]

I think it's a little late to try and SCROG these and they are defiantly starting to stretch. I can trim a few of the fan leaves and hopefully get a little more light penetration. I think there is a couple dudes in there so once they are gone I should be cool.

I've been thinking about a veg cab and might use an old computer tower. I've got a couple of options but this isn't anything permanent. I have bigger better plans if you know what I mean. ;) Just passing the time.... :tumble:

[Mr Burns]

Hze you could always put a spike in vertical to the main stem and them finger and thumb the stem in a zig zag pattern up the spike :shrug: If they go 'too' far I'd even remove part of the upper plant even in flower, to get a better product and not end up with pissy under nuggets.
I hate wasted under nugs. All that energy should be for what's in the blaze.... mahhhn..... :)

[hazewarrior]

Everything seems to be ok, except for the males I spotted. :mad:

Well, one I know is and i'm almost possitive the other one is. Still can't tell with the other two. :(

[hazewarrior]

The second one is definatly male, I think the first one is also and they both seem to be more robust than the other two.

The last pic is of the other two that I am unsure of.

[hazewarrior]

So........... it looks like the tall slender one is female and the other one is a hermy :hmmmm:

How do I do a percentage on that one :rolleyes: I would have been happy with a 50% female rating. :)

[CB]

wow it hermied early thats for sure:eek:

[hazewarrior]

wow it hermied early thats for sure:eek:

I don't understand what's goin on with that thing. :shrug:

[Mr Burns]

Haze nothing in those pictures tells me what sex let alone hermie.
What are you going by when sexing? Can you get some pics up of exactly what you're observing when sexing?

Healthy looking plants buddy 2thumbs

[hazewarrior]

I don't think I will be able to post anymore pics until the weekend. Honey took the camera with her on vacation. :rolleyes:

The two that I'm sure are male have been axed. Litttle balls everywhere. :o

The hermy has balls and hairs. The first 5 nodes have little balls and everything from that point on has hairs and balls. It's very unusal, I'll get pics up soon. :)

I am almost done with the veg case also. An inlaw has some nice beans he has been saving. Stinky Pink, Golf Ball, Blueberry Kush and Afgani Kush :mmmm:

[hazewarrior]

This is definitely the weirdest plant I have grown. 5th & 6th node have male flowers. The 7th node has male flowers on one side and female flowers on the other side. The rest of the plant has all female flowers. :shrug:

Looks like this plant is confused about its sexuality :confused

[tripps]

This is definitely the weirdest plant I have grown. 5th & 6th node have male flowers. The 7th node has male flowers on one side and female flowers on the other side. The rest of the plant has all female flowers. :shrug:

Looks like this plant is confused about its sexuality :confused

The Queen:
Off with her head

[CezarCronic]

Haze i have seen even sneakier then that , only one male flower and in lower branches very hard to detect bro:rolleyes: , also i had a clones few crops back with the same one male flower and this one pollinated every single plant inside 12-12 room, :eek::mad:

[CylonBud]

Haze i have seen even sneakier then that , only one male flower and in lower branches very hard to detect bro:rolleyes: , also i had a clones few crops back with the same one male flower and this one pollinated every single plant inside 12-12 room, :eek::mad:

Oh! Cezar what a waste. :( I wouldn't keep the seeds from them either. Hermis for sure. :eek:

hazewarrior what tripps said. :D

[hazewarrior]

Here " it " is..... :watch:

[hazewarrior]

:)

[hazewarrior]

Okay guys, seriously, what should I do with this thing? I don't want to pollinate all the female flowers but if I can pinch all the male flowers off I might have a nice cola. I had one hermy back in 2002 but it didn't have as many male flowers. :o

Of with her head tripps? :eek:

[CezarCronic]

Haze my recommendation is to trow it out , he could develop more male flowers later and still pollinate the female plants .:p

Lets hear from other members too , other opinions are always welcome;)


Peace bro...:peace:

[CylonBud]

Okay guys, seriously, what should I do with this thing? I don't want to pollinate all the female flowers but if I can pinch all the male flowers off I might have a nice cola. I had one hermy back in 2002 but it didn't have as many male flowers. :o

Of with her head tripps? :eek:

Find him/it a comfortable place on your compost pile. :D

[hazewarrior]

This is that last one left. I transplanted it into a wider pot and it loved it. As you can see the roots where getting crowded.

Day 43 from germ.

[Shadows]

I'd be highly concerned if all these bagseeds came from the same bag bro. 1 hermie in the pot would mean the genetics are out there for another to pop up from the same batch of beans.
For the definite one, its your call bro. Try it for the first week or 2- pinching off male flowers- to see which side it favors, male or female. If it keeps kicking out the male bits, its not worth the struggle.

Nice healthy root system on that one man. good job on potting up!

[Mr Burns]

Haze buddy. :hello:
If I were in your shoes:

Without delay order some reputable feminized seed stock and remove that particular plant and compost it like Cylon suggested.

Whilst waiting for delivery of your sumptuous quality seed stock :drool: keep a beady eye on the remaining plants :watch: If there's any further signs of male flowers throw the them out including any more bag seed and kick start again by with the reputable beans.

Haze I'm worried for you buddy :( I'm concerned these plants are going to feck you over and you're gonna end up with bag seed and street shwag with nothing but bag seed to germinate next time :(

I understand locations, security concerns and other factors mean some people find it hard to source quality seed stock, but without mocking you Haze, your situation is just why getting onto even the first rung of seed bank ladder is critical. Maybe not even a seed bank, but a source where you can get RELIABLE rep on the seed quality.

Don't feel dis heartened by what I said Haze. I've been in a similar position as you :mad3: which is why I piped up with all of the above. What I've said is the best advice I can think of giving your situation, although others thoughts should have equal consideration.
Lastly my reason for saying 'feminized seeds', this was because if you use a quality breed you'll be guarenteed to have some 'bud in the bag' 2thumbs Once you have bud in the bag you'll find it less stressful 'playing' with the grow, but trying to reap some reward from plants that seem adamant to feck you about is not only frustrating but dis-heartening IMO :(

Good luck Haze and I'll be watching, but IMO you're bailing a sinking boat faster than its letting in :hippy:

[hazewarrior]

Haze buddy. :hello:
If I were in your shoes:

Don't feel dis heartened by what I said Haze. I've been in a similar position as you :mad3: which is why I piped up with all of the above. What I've said is the best advice I can think of giving your situation, although others thoughts should have equal consideration.

Good luck Haze and I'll be watching, but IMO you're bailing a sinking boat faster than its letting in :hippy:

Not disheartened at all Mr.Burns, thank you, I understand the concern. I must admit i can't get good seeds all the time, but I can get plenty of good clones ;) I don't have the room for all the mothers right now so i'm doing the micro thing to pass the time. It only cost about $4US/month to run. If I only get an eigth off this plant I still saved $48 on an eigth :D


So......I think I'm ganna chop it.....:(
..... but my veg case is ready and my in law has those seeds I mentioned earlier. I should have them by the end of the week.

I think I'll give the remaining female a dose of Bushmaster. She is getting to tall and I should be able to stop her in time. She is definatly dominate sativa :)

[Shadows]

I think I'll give the remaining female a dose of Bushmaster. She is getting to tall and I should be able to stop her in time. She is definatly dominate sativa :)

I really wish some one would sit down and explain to me the benefits of a product that stops upward growth? I've always tried to get the most out of the plant, and most of that comes from the upward growth and resulting secondaries.
I just find it hard to believe that product can help increase yields or benefit the plant in any way. Just tie that head over and get you some secondary action out of the deal. Dont purposely stunt the plant, use its growth to your advantage. sorryzz Im sure Bushmaster has its place, it just wont be in my garden. Seriously, I say scrap the stuff and go buy some chicken wire for a SCROG (3-5 bucks a roll that will last forever VS 35 dollars a bottle that will last you 6 -8 months), let them bitches stretch like crazy and get all the extra growth you can out of them.
ok, sorry for that, :)

[hazewarrior]

The only things I don't like about scrog are that it is a permanent fixture, which means I can’t take the plants out for transplant or maintenance if I need to and I wouldn’t recommend scrog if you don’t have feminized seeds or clones. I also wouldn’t be able to have different genetics in different stages of bloom. (continues harvest ;))

How much more time does it take to scrog?
What is the difference in yield between 2 scrogged plants or 6-7 small colas?

I like the idea of having a variety of smoke and a continuous harvest. I guess it’s just grower preference. :shrug:

I’ve only used the Bushmaster once in the past and it seamed to do ok. I used it on a big DWC grow that was in danger of being overgrown. I didn’t have a problem with yield at all and I stopped them from overgrowing the space. :2cents: It's the differance between a regular bannana and a coke can. lol.

[Shadows]

The only things I don't like about scrog are that it is a permanent fixture, which means I can’t take the plants out for transplant or maintenance if I need to and I wouldn’t recommend scrog if you don’t have feminized seeds or clones. I also wouldn’t be able to have different genetics in different stages of bloom. (continues harvest ;))

How much more time does it take to scrog?
What is the difference in yield between 2 scrogged plants or 6-7 small colas?

I like the idea of having a variety of smoke and a continuous harvest. I guess it’s just grower preference. :shrug:

I’ve only used the Bushmaster once in the past and it seamed to do ok. I used it on a big DWC grow that was in danger of being overgrown. I didn’t have a problem with yield at all and I stopped them from overgrowing the space. :2cents: It's the differance between a regular bannana and a coke can. lol.

Do you have a separate veg space? If so, there is no issue with scrog'n multiple strains at different stages of flower all at the same time. I did it for years and will be going the same route once reestablished on strains. The trick for me was vegging them until, when put in flower, they touched the screen. Veggin to 2" above the screen would work better, but my space is very limited.

I had as many as 5 strains flowering at one time under the screen and under a 250hps. Some were days to harvest, some were mid flower and others just getting their stretch on. I actually found it easier to run multi strains this way because the sativa stretch always needed the light higher, but the indica wanted it lower. With the screen and the light 8" above it, it no longer mattered who wanted what, they got it and the light never needed adjusting.

Im glad to know Bushmaster has made a place for itself in your grow. If possible, I still suggest an attempt at a SCROG so you can better see what I mean about it.

I only offer the suggestion bro, I know what has worked for me in the past and I know what Im going with again due to the ease I found in it. My first few grows in this box, I tried letting them go and struggled to keep things even. I put the screen in, and simply fell in love with the simplicity in keeping an even canopy.


Despite my suggestions bro, you're doing a bang up job!

[hazewarrior]

Do you have a separate veg space? If so, there is no issue with scrog'n multiple strains at different stages of flower all at the same time. I did it for years and will be going the same route once reestablished on strains. The trick for me was vegging them until, when put in flower, they touched the screen. Veggin to 2" above the screen would work better, but my space is very limited.

Despite my suggestions bro, you're doing a bang up job!

hummm.... do the buds completely engulf the screen to the point that you need to remove it to harvest? Yes, I have a veg case and if I can scrog and still have differant strains at differant stages of bloom then I'll go scrog. :gthumb: Do you top your plants and if so, do you do it before or after you put them in for bloom?

I don't want to sound like I don't value your sugestions cause I do. Since I only have 1 sq foot, how many differant plants could I get in there using scrog? Maybe 3? :confused

[Mr Burns]

Topping is always done in veg but known to happen in the early days of flower as I'm about to do with half my own grow.

IMO when you 'top out' you need to be in veg, and flower when the the tips of the side branching colas are touching the underside of the main canopy. Strain dependant :2cents:

[Shadows]

Topping is always done in veg but known to happen in the early days of flower as I'm about to do with half my own grow.

IMO when you 'top out' you need to be in veg, and flower when the the tips of the side branching colas are touching the underside of the main canopy. Strain dependant :2cents:

Ditto that. Only top in veg and try to wait 7-14 days before flowering afterwards.

No reason you cant fit 3 in there. A lot will depend on container size and that will take some working out through experience with your setup. I liked mine to need water every 3 days after the stretch was done.

I didn't remove the screen, instead I used twist ties for trash bags, doubled over and bent into S hooks, to train the buds on top of the screen. When its chop time, I'd cut the 1 branch under the screen and what was above pulled out no problem. Didn't have to rake any buds across the screen on removal either.

[hazewarrior]

Thanks for the info shadows. :) It makes more sense to tie them just above the screen. I did a simlar thing with my last micro grow. (White Rhino / LST) I may have a new outlook on scrog :slap:

The plant looks a little droopy from the transpant and soak I gave her. Didn't give her any B-1 either. She may take a while to bloom. :rolleyes:

[hazewarrior]

I got some Blueberry Kush seeds yesterday and can't wait to get them started. :)

This plant has been droopy ever since I transplanted it. It might have been the Bushmaster but I doubt it. I gave it a shot of B-1 two days ago. I've never transplanted using rockwool mini cubes either. I haven't been over watering, which was my first thought.

Any ideas? :hmmmm:

[CezarCronic]

Looking good Haze , They will get better just a little shock front transplant;)

Rock wool holes lots of water for longer then any other medium so went using rock wool water is to be well monitor and not apply to many times .

Bring that Kush Berry to the show soon dude:D

C.C.:peace:

[Mr Burns]

I know FA about bushmaster or other things you mention so I may be wrong, but I'd say its too wet, not wet enough or too lower temps.

The plant is working well seeing as there's no leaf def so it must be the human intervention all be it too much or lack of it that's giving you concerns :shrug:

[hazewarrior]

Hey thanks guys, at first i thought it was too wet, then I thought it was to dry but know it is looking just fine. :p I've never seen a plant take so long to come around. But like I mentioned, i've never transplanted in rockwool either. :D

[hazewarrior]

I went to the John Mayer concert last weekend. It was awsome and he played a little blues. :band:

on the flip side, I had to leave for 3 days. :o Yep, I soaked the thing before I left but it just wasn't enough. :( She didn't dry out but I know the root tips did. 30 days into bloom and now if I keep it going it's only ganna be another 30 because of the damage. :mad:

on the flip, flip side :hmmmm:, before I left for the show I planted three blueberry kush seeds and all three made it. :D

Now I don't think I have a choice but to scrap the bag seed and spend some time with the new babbies. Hopefully one will be male so I can put some seeds away.

Might as well try SCROG :shrug: I'll be lookin to you Shadows.;)

[Shadows]

Might as well try SCROG :shrug: I'll be lookin to you Shadows.;)

Well then, I best put on a good showing of it huh? lol. I'll try to take pictures as training is needed, which should be every other night for the next 2 weeks. That is if I get the growth I want out of her.:D

Next time you have to be gone longer then you think the plant will make it on watering, try putting a saucer under the pot to hold water. It'll buy you an extra day or 2. Avoid going to large tho, if it takes to long for the water to be soaked up it will go stale and root rot is sure to take hold.

Transplant shock is a bitch bro, but if she recovered you learned something.

Keep it up man. It'll happen :D

[Mr Burns]

Hows them plants Haze :shrug: I'm hoping you never scrapped em. Any news?

[hazewarrior]

Hows them plants Haze :shrug: I'm hoping you never scrapped em. Any news?

Yep... I scrapped her. :yikes: That thing was going to take forever to finish and I had to make room for the new babbies. :crazysign

Anyway, here's a pic of the poor girl. I'm always ganna wonder what she "could" have been. :boohoo:


BB Kush SCROG is commin.... :woohoo: