Burnsy tries Hempies.

[Mr Burns]

Well I can't leave ND in a forum all on his own :hippy:

Here's the deal:

Strains:
Greenhouse Seeds: 'Cheese' feminized.
Serious Seeds 'White Russian'.

This will be a side grow of Hempies supporting a male White Russian and female Cheese with the goal of a cross. Seeing how these plants won't need much veg at all its an ideal way to give this hempy thing a try :2cents:
I'll be following tripps cup sizes and learning as I go :gthumb:
Nutrients will be Canna Substra seeing how I've 20 litres gathering dust but still in date 2thumbs
Lighting will be 250W of Flo's considering how small the area will be.

I'll have the cab built this week with the seeds soaked by Wednesday-Thursday night.

Here we go..... :)

[majestyk5]

ok my friend give it a go. judging by your other posts, it should be good.
i'm watching both of them

[CylonBud]

Good luck Mr Burns. I will be watching this grow of yours as well. I have an interest in trying a Hempy's grow once my current one finishes. :D

[CB]

say burnsy,

look forward to the grow and info you have to offer up

will sort the forum title and stuff out right soon like:D

gonna beg the boss for a draw and time off to head to hydro shop this coming week

[gorilla]

thank you, mr burns, for dedicating another thread to hempy style growing. I am very curious. :) I will be watching, good luck!

-gorilla

[tripps]

Lordy, lordy' Burnsy doing Hempy, who would believe it!. Actually, I always thought they'd be handy for breeding for a hydro person. They're almost fool (tripps) proof.;

[Mr Burns]

ok my friend give it a go....
Just remember majestyk, chime in with anything you question or spot before me. I'm in virgin territory with hempies so all input is good :)

... I have an interest in trying a Hempy's grow once my current one finishes. :D
CylonBud. This side grow may be better for you than me in a big way. I'm looking for seeds with this one and as long as I get seeds I'm open to suggestions.
Questions, suggestions and answers are compulsory :)

...gonna beg the boss for a draw..
CB. If you rode a motorcycle it'd need a side-car to carry your bollocks :2cents:

...I am very curious. :)
Me too and part reason for trying it Rilla. It also works out the cheapest way to get this cross done, only having to buy-in the 'stadium' cups 2thumbs

... I always thought they'd be handy for breeding for a hydro person. They're almost fool (tripps) proof.;
Is there such a thing :D
tripps I have to agree on the breeding aspect of hempies :) Breeding is hands on so no holidays.

This hand watering I can stomach :D

[Shadows]

Lordy, lordy' Burnsy doing Hempy, who would believe it!.

I've read this thread 3 times now and am still in awe that its burnsy that started it :D, but glad he did, 1 is the loneliest number:).

Burnsy, how are you sprouting the seeds? rockwool or in the hempy bucket?


Looking forward to see you take this method, forward. Im sure your hydro background will be to your advantage through this. You've done flood and drain before correct? this will be a snap for you:D
Hardest part for me so far has been accepting it as a viable method, regardless of its name

[Mr Burns]

I thought some would be shocked, but I've never had a bad thing to say about Hempies, but both I and others have felt a little cramped by them in the past. Good move CB and thank you to all that have chimed in :hippy:
.... 1 is the loneliest number:).
I don't mind holding hands with you ND. Were both in the same boat. Just do me a favour and keep that other hand in a pocket eh? Any funny stuff and I'll be pulling these hempies up and putting em in soil :p

Burnsy, how are you sprouting the seeds? rockwool or in the hempy bucket?
I'm gonna use the old black T-shirt method and a tupperware container. Since I switched to this method I've had 100% germ rates with no pre-soak or mucking around, just lay em between two layers of wet, sterile black cotton and leave them on top of the combi boiler.
When the seedlings have thrown there shucks I'll put them in 1 inch rockwool cubes and straight into the hempie buckets

You've done flood and drain before correct?
Yes I have ND and still do use it for vegging up to size in a simple home built system, but with only rockwool as a medium because of hauling them between there and the NFT trays. Clay pebbles etc would be a nightmare and unnecessary.

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this will be a snap for you:D The curse!! :eek: :roll:

Hardest part for me so far has been accepting it as a viable method, regardless of its name
I'll be going through the process too, but I won't be considering this as a potential method for me. If it all goes swimmingly I'll definitely be up for using it for breeding, but not a main grow because of the hand watering aspect. Last I tried a quick soil grow it killed my back hand watering just 10 or so plants, so the only back saving method for me has to be automation.

Saying that, I have been thinking about pump fed hempies using a small basic pump, similar to whats available for an aquarium.
Maybe I should go the pumped way alongside you ND :hmmmm: Perhaps laying down a pumped method will give us all an option to get away from having to hand feed for a few days, should we need to get away from the grow.

I've not seen one automated yet, but what do people think?

[tripps]

Good pic/ method on the flood and drain, that looks like the way for me, rather than set up a whole ebb and flow in veg. If you come up with an automated system, stuff it in your time machine and set mine up, I am sorry to say I just cannot wait for this grow to end. As I've said, Hempies have been great to me, helped make the transition from soil, and I think they'd be great for a small grow, and for breeding like you. But I think once your grow reaches a certain size, most would feel the need to move on. I currently have 30 1 gal, plus a couple moms, but the work to plumb all that for automation, IMO, would never make sense, you would be better off with a real hydro system. Plus, even with a loop, you'd never equalize all the flows, I think, and the overflow would be a mess. You could add an overflow tray, LOL, but now , again, you're into a full hydro system LOL I'll probably always use it for breeding though, it's the nazz for that.

[Mr Burns]

Good pic/ method on the flood and drain, that looks like the way for me, rather than set up a whole ebb and flow in veg. If you come up with an automated system, stuff it in your time machine and set mine up, I am sorry to say I just cannot wait for this grow to end. As I've said, Hempies have been great to me, helped make the transition from soil, and I think they'd be great for a small grow, and for breeding like you. But I think once your grow reaches a certain size, most would feel the need to move on. I currently have 30 1 gal, plus a couple moms, but the work to plumb all that for automation, IMO, would never make sense, you would be better off with a real hydro system. Plus, even with a loop, you'd never equalize all the flows, I think, and the overflow would be a mess. You could add an overflow tray, LOL, but now , again, you're into a full hydro system LOL I'll probably always use it for breeding though, it's the nazz for that.

I can understand and agree tripps. To plumb that lot in would be a friggin nightmare and if you went to the trouble of loading 30 plus containers into trays for run off, why not turn the very same trays (if deep enough) into ebb and flow?
tripps your grow space has the head height for E&F. It's just so so easy and like with my remote res design in NFT, you could site the main res outside of the grow area if you wanted to. You'd then be able to monitor, adjust or even flush at any time of the light period. Also, having the res outside of the grow area you can introduce heaters or coolers without the inevitable fugg ups that come with trying to do maintenance within the grow space and amongst the grow :mad:

If you went for it I'd give you as much support as I could tripps and I'd have great interest in seeing someone build a home F&D set up :gthumb:

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Forgotten to add. Seeds arrived today. White Russians are coming later but with having to drop 4 plants in the grow area today this hempie start up will be slower than first thought. I'll still have the cab built this week, I just won't be soaking seeds until I know the main area doesn't need hours spent on it ready for the turn around ;)

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[tripps]

Yeah, your remote res is the nazz, too. I already thought of that, and I'll need heaters, not chillers, as it will be wintertime basement temps, outside of the grow room.
I'll say hempies grow much faster than soil. I never argue with people that say you can go from cup to 3 gal in one step, I don't doubt you can, but they post that theirs "only lagged a few days". Mine, not having to reach far for the res, always have shown an immediate spurt after transplant, the exact opposite of lag. Makes the transplanting well worth it, IMO.

[Mr Burns]

... I'll need heaters, not chillers, as it will be wintertime basement temps outside of the grow room.
That's a HUGE benefit having to heat the fluid content. You only need have the nutrient heaters on for a short period before the flood compared to coolers which could be running from 12 to 24hrs a day. I use apx 5 gallons for the tray in that picture and use a 150W aquarium heater for 20 minutes before the flood, which has taken temps from 9C/48F to 19C/66F.

I'll say hempies grow much faster than soil. I never argue with people that say you can go from cup to 3 gal in one step, I don't doubt you can, but they post that theirs "only lagged a few days". Mine, not having to reach far for the res, always have shown an immediate spurt after transplant, the exact opposite of lag. Makes the transplanting well worth it, IMO.
I understand both principles but with this hempy thing the progressive potting theory has to set president doesn't it :shrug: Increasing the root zone distance further from the res than it need be is akin to standing a street away from a donkey with a carrot...

... isn't it..... :)

[RedEyezzzzz]

This is looking pretty good Burnsy. Most of this shit is over my soil growing head but I'm still looking forward to watching this unfold.

Great idea with the black t-shirt btw that's one I will adopt in the future fo' shizzle.

[Shadows]

Maybe I should go the pumped way alongside you ND :hmmmm: Perhaps laying down a pumped method will give us all an option to get away from having to hand feed for a few days, should we need to get away from the grow.

I've not seen one automated yet, but what do people think?

Hey man, no pump on this end, unless you count the one in the city water booster station down the road :D. But along those lines, I have no clue what to suggest. I'd almost say that if you want to go with an auto feed method, like a drip line, that you put standard drainage holes in the bottom, instead of allowing the res at the bottom. I can see the res getting nasty, even with fresh flow of water, over a period of time. But, thats being said considering a standard drip line running a few times a day or constant. IF you were to automate it for once a day waterings for 2 min at a time I think would work better, or even every other day. Either way I think the main res would need air stones to keep it from going stale on ya over a weeks time. YOu'd just be doing a run to waste system right?

As for how the roots grow and whats best, I dont think there is a whats best hands down winner. Hypothetically speaking
Tripps may be able to start in 5 gallon buckets because he knows how to water shallow enough to only moisten the medium around the roots and not saturate the entire root ball. And his plants would look great all the way through
If I were to try the same thing the way I water them, 2 waterings 10 min apart for full saturation, it would not be long before root rot took hold and/or damping off from the medium staying to wet all the time. Chances are, my plants would take longer to show healthy growth then his would as well from sprouting.
Of course that all has to do with soil. Dont know what to say on these hempys yet but I'll have an idea of how the roots are doing on the next transplant

[tripps]

Actually, I checked out my pots, maybe just dumb luck, but I always looked for taller and narrow for my containers. I lined up my 32 oz, 1 gal ,2 3/4 gal, and 5 gal, and guess what? each size is about 2" or so taller than the last, so mine never really reach for the res. except for when I put the original clone cube into the 32 oz cup, I never did any special watering whatsoever, watered 100% like normal after transplant. I do not believe if you set it to water it every day or 2 the res would get stale, I almost never water to runoff, I don't need that water all over creating extra humidity, really I think the hole is just to prevent overwatering. On a bet, now that I know my strains and containers, I am confident I could grow one start to finish with no hole, in a closed container. To do that, though, I would carefully measure the water for each pot for each feeding, that's what the hole eliminates. Like soil, I go by heft, I can feel when they have enough, without seeing it run out the hole. Maybe I'll start a "Hempy Grab Bag" thread, so you guys don't have to clutter up your journals, where people can post general questions and tips on Hempy.

[Mr Burns]

Great idea with the black t-shirt btw that's one I will adopt in the future fo' shizzle.
Redz. Strange you mentioned it cause I put em in today and took some pics. I'll put it up in the germination forum after this 2thumbs Good to hear you buddy :)


Hey man, no pump on this end, unless you count the one in the city water booster station down the road :D.

:slap: My mistake. I meant to say how about I try a pumped version alongside your hand watered journal.

Either way I think the main res would need air stones to keep it from going stale on ya over a weeks time. YOu'd just be doing a run to waste system right?
I'm undecided on whether to run to waste or recirculate. Both have benefits and pitfalls which I want to elaborate on.
As for the res going stale there's that 'flute' idea that was talked about roughly a year ago. I came up with some plans but am not sure where it was laid down:shrug: I know where it wasn't, but I'll get some more plans/pics up 2thumbs

... tripps plants would look great all the way through
Don't they :eek: I keep meaning to hit him up on some cropping techniques seeing as he consistently pulls good figures from small and medium cups. More often equal to soil pots half the size, so he could be a man for the mission me thinks :)

Of course that all has to do with soil. Dont know what to say on these hempys yet but I'll have an idea of how the roots are doing on the next transplant
Get some pics would you ND? I've never seen a transplant pic of a rooted up hempy and it'll give me an idea of what to expect.

...I do not believe if you set it to water it every day or 2 the res would get stale.
Maybe this is nutrient specific though tripps? I could see some that would fail but maybe its specific to individual brands :shrug:

I am confident I could grow one start to finish with no hole, in a closed container. To do that, though, I would carefully measure the water for each pot for each feeding, that's what the hole eliminates. Like soil, I go by heft, I can feel when they have enough, without seeing it run out the hole.
Kudos if you could. It'd prove to yourself that you're in tune with your method and strains buddy, and be a show to watch :watch:
I think growing out in a hempy without holes will probably belittle the 'hydro' nature that surrounds it. Don't go thinking I'm shitting this hempy thing down as I've had a gut full of that mud, but besides you I haven't seen one person try to get another angle on this hempy thang. Hempy in its very nature with holes an inch or so up the pot and with a very airy medium to support the roots almost eliminates 'over watering' per watering, so IMO it would have a large percentage of users thinking they have it nailed, when in reality they haven't as it would be 'almost' impossible to over water when sticking to guidelines from another user :2cents:

Maybe I'll start a "Hempy Grab Bag" thread, so you guys don't have to clutter up your journals, where people can post general questions and tips on Hempy.
All your posts are welcome to me and never considered clutter, but if you could :p jk. Tis up to you but seeing how you're the guy with most experience between us maybe it'd be a good idea so both ND, I and any others that are interested can use such a thread for bantering ideas between eachother rather than through two journals?
Don't go quiet in here though buddy. I needs ya!

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OK so onto plans for the way I'm thinking.
This passive hydro section is labelled passive and rightly so, but no-one here is gonna give a hoot if I automate a passive hand watered system for the benefit of those who may need to.
Most know I'm a meddler and seeing how I like to leave my NFT grow for short breaks and holidays maybe this will be a good thread for those who want the same from hempies.
I'll build the auto system so that any sized hempy cup/pot that is being hand watered can be transferred unmolested into a home built auto system. That way its a universal technique and design. Not a hard design, but I think its in everyone's interest that it has scope for anyone who has passive hempies on the go to be able to go automated if they suddenly have to leave state or country because grandma's shit her pants or uncle Burts hamster needs a hip replacement.

I can either go run to waste, re-circulating or both. Perhaps both would be best for everyone including me.
If we put two females into the breed box instead of one we could have one on each method. The male I'd go for recirculating :p

[tripps]

but no-one here is gonna give a hoot if I automate a passive hand watered system:p

Ahh, that's what I like about it here, I specifically recall someone in another place, freaking out 'cause someone asked if anyone ever tried automating one. LOL Different places, different attitudes. LOL, and LOL again, my friend.

[Shadows]

Hey tripps, Im 100% sure you could grow one with no res hole as well. And if you've got the time from the start, maybe a res level tube could be installed so measuring water wont be such a huge deal.

Yeah Burns, I'll get some pictures up of the transplant. Should be rooted up pretty well if its needing water in 24 hours. :D

[CB]

I'll get some pictures up of the transplant.

thanks ND .... somit i want to see as well ;)


burnsy great input on the over water issue.... was think'n same way.... no way to over water with hole but on the other hand(for me) seen soil grows with no drainage holes.... hmmm nice substrate for the root's then just use the every so accurate heft method.

think'n in a good hempie mix this could work fine with no air stone needed if I understand it right:o

just stoner ramble thought's as I pounder over try'n this out :D

:pass:

[Mr Burns]

burnsy great input on the over water issue.... was think'n same way.... no way to over water with hole
Agreed. Unless a fool stands there with a hosepipe all afternoon :p

think'n in a good hempie mix this could work fine with no air stone needed if I understand it right :o
just stoner ramble thought's as I pounder over try'n this out :D
Stoner thoughts are mandatory aren't they CB :)

I wanted to get back to this thread regarding my statement sounding that they're almost fool proof. Obviously they aren't, and nor do I think they would be easy.
What I do think however, is people like tripps who have taken time to gauge feeding rates and times will have the upper hand with hempies. I bet he could run em without holes cause of his observations and tenacity. A totally different player to someone who treats hempies like a soil pot with the holes in the wrong place :2cents:

Enough bigging up a buddy :)

Looking forward to the pics ND :)

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This hempy cab will be built and lights hung by Saturday end. I'll probably mess with the piping and res totes in-between harvesting the grow so it'll be a 'bitty' build.
Gotta get some picture meat into this journal :)

Pics to follow.

[analog]

Never thought I'd see you do hempy Burnsy.

Bye the bye old bean, I found you 'n Tripps. Woot.

[tripps]

Dude!

[analog]

(power slide)

Dude! Old buddy old pal.

Let's help this old bean Burnsy out with his Hempy's.

p.s. The Flush for my latest hempy is this weeknd (Blueberry) then 2 weeks, or until trichs, for harvest.

p.s. ceiling cat is watching you :rofl2:.

[Mr Burns]

(power slide)

Dude! Old buddy old pal.

Let's help this old bean Burnsy out with his Hempy's.
:eek: Well slap me sideways with a toilet brush :eek: Its omigo analog :dance:

This is a very welcome surprise :hippy:

The Flush for my latest hempy is this weeknd (Blueberry) then 2 weeks, or until trichs, for harvest.
God :damn: it man. I want pictures :mad3:

I have to say its quite heart warming to see friends of not so old :2cents: Welcome Omigo analog :)

[CezarCronic]

Hy there Mr Burn , great strains you got there , i love Cheese and white Russian, hopefully soon i be getting some White Russian front a close friend :cool: , looking forward to see your progress here , some how in another forum members confuse me with you but this is a long story now :p

great stuff there Mr Burn i sure love all real cannabis growers :peaceman:

[Mr Burns]

some how in another forum members confuse me with you but this is a long story now
Cezar. How anyone can be mistaken for a person who can run a journal without submitting a photo until page 4 I don't know ;)

Good to see you :)

Agreed on the White Russian front. Top plant and top breeders :)

[Freakshow]

High Burnsy!
nice looking girls ya got going there. How's the Hempies treating you?

[tripps]

How's the Hempies treating you?

Better than they have in the past!
:rotf::rotf::rotf::rotf::rotf:

[Shadows]

How's the Hempies treating you?

Better than they have in the past!
:rotf::rotf::rotf::rotf::rotf:

Damn, thats just wrong, funny as shit :D, but wrong, lmao!!

[Mr Burns]

How's the Hempies treating you?
Just got the cab completed today 2thumbs Lots going on at the Burns house but I should be starting the hempies in 7 days :)

How's the Hempies treating you?

Better than they have in the past!
:rotf::rotf::rotf::rotf::rotf:

:rofl2:

Feckin superb. Quality :gthumb:

Damn, thats just wrong, funny as shit :D, but wrong, lmao!!
ND wrong indeedy, but still funny as feck :hippy:

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Cab is up and running but I've housed the 'Cheese' seedlings in there that are bound for the main grow area.
Hopefully I'll be into this hempy thang in 7-10 days with germination starting in the next few days ;)

I took a fan from a sandwich chill cabinet a few years back when thinking of growing indoors and wired it up today. Kudos to the American company who produce them cause they're whisper quiet :)
Because the cab is in a garage with windows I can't have the usual lid propping quirk to adjust temps. I have to have it light tight and let the fan draw the air through. I just looked in and everything looks good. A couple of adjustments but all is on for this hempy thang :):)

[tripps]

Dam, Burnsy, if you're ever looking for employment as a carpenter, I can set you up. Looks great, guy. I am resolved to do a room right for next year, what I use now I just cobbed together, I never set out to get as involved as I did, but now I'm
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[Mr Burns]

... what I use now I just cobbed together
Never looked cobbled together :shrug:

I never set out to get as involved as I did, but now I'm
Bugger. I spiralled off the end of that sentence.
So you're a fish now. I suppose your name will be Bob :shrug:

[CylonBud]

I think He is out fishing not a fish mate. lol :D

[CezarCronic]

I suppose your name will be Bob

Oh nohh don't call him BOB please :dunce:that reminds me of

[Mr Burns]

.... not a fish mate. lol :D

Just as smelly though eh?

[tripps]

Sorry, the answer the judges were looking for was "hooked".

[Shadows]

Sorry, the answer the judges were looking for was "hooked".

Damn, and I was going for "Not a Keeper" :D:p

[Mr Burns]

Sorry, the answer the judges were looking for was "hooked".

Damn, and I was going for "Not a Keeper" :D:p

Yey I got the hooked bit. I just couldn't be arsed to give a straight answer :laugh:

[Mr Burns]

Because the main grow seedlings have took up the cab I've not been able to update, but the seedlings are vacating in 2 days and I'm looking at having an aero cloner and the hempy trial in there at the same time. It means I will need to set two of the res's outside the cab instead of 'piggy back' fashion but it'll make it easier to flush and adjust.
I'll be shopping for totes Wednesday when I'm away from home and can make a fuss in a virgin shop with tape measure and questions, and will then fire up the seeds this weekend for my hempy effort :hippy:

Gotta say, its a huge advantage to have ND ahead of me. I'm almost tuned at how he operates so if I do pull a biggy off he'll need some credit. If I pull a bad one off, no one is to blame :) Unless tripps is willing to be my 'whipping boy' :D

[Shadows]

Gotta say, its a huge advantage to have ND ahead of me. I'm almost tuned at how he operates

Ahh, thats perfect ;). Very good to know you stay awake til well past your bedtime, take 2 xtra bong hits and then work in your garden too :D:D

All this time I thought I was a loner, turns out Im a pioneer :D:eek: hahaha

[Mr Burns]

Right. I have a 12 week window to get this thing wrapped up so I'm gonna clone something that I've had in veg and get this grow on.
I've a 40 litre tub full of brand new pumps and the cab is built so I only need to think about pot sizes. I'm thinking go for the larger ones from the start :shrug: but I also want to keep them relatively small to push the flower period and keep this inside 12 weeks. Anything beyond and I'll be chopping them down in any case cause I'm away for 28 days.

I'll chip in in the next few days with what I'm looking at for totes and cups ;)