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Shadows

06-02-2008, 12:13 PM

To elaborate on what Im feeding them with

Fertilizers Im using for this are available at most Lowes Home Improvement stores and goes by the name of Better Grow Orchid.

Im using the veg formula only right now at 1/2 tsp per gallon of water. Not checking PH or PPM.

How the Hempy's are set up

These are just solo cups with a hole drilled (burned) into the side 1" or so up.
The cup is filled with a 60/40 mix of Perlite/Vermiculite.
The seeds were started in the mix. No pregerm'n here.

How they work
The cups are filled with Perlite and Vermiculite, in a 60/40 to a 70/30 mixture. There is a hole drilled 1" up for the solo cups (larger containers will need more res space = 2") and they are hand watered from the top until runoff comes out the hole drilled in the side.
Start your clone or seed, water daily til the roots hit the reservoir in the bottom then you can move on to watering every 2-3 days, until they overflow.

As you can see, its been kind to me so far with no instruments being used and seems a really care free type of hydro growing. Feels a lot like growing in soil, with slightly quicker growth rates.

Im no expert on them, this is my first grow since hearing about'm and Im only a few weeks into it. So far, im not overly impressed but I am pleased :D

CylonBud

06-02-2008, 12:24 PM

This sounds pretty interesting Shadows I'll be watching to see how it works out. So far looks good. :D

Shadows

06-02-2008, 12:55 PM

This sounds pretty interesting Shadows I'll be watching to see how it works out. So far looks good. :D

Thanks man, that makes 2 of us at this point. If I can get close to hydro growth rates out of these hempys and upgrade my 250 to a 400, well the shadows cupboards will be full soon.:D

tripps

06-02-2008, 04:17 PM

I've been growing with Hempy around 6 months, think very highly of it. PH does matter, a lot of info going around saying it doesn't, it's wrong. A couple people might have gotten lucky on their water/nute mix, but they were just lucky.Maybe a little more forgiving, but you can still get lockouts, etc. It's been very good to me, a semi-newb switching from soil. I think I might have a good technique for large yield, I use tall 1 gallon hex containers, I really think I'm on track to finish at 1 gram a watt or better. But I am going to move on to ebb and grow, I think. Hand watering 40-50 1 gallon containers every other day got to be too much, but it really produces per square foot. I got 18-20" budsicles, maybe 1 1/2 -2 oz each. Growing White Russian mostly, flowered at 10-12".

LOL, I wanted to post a pic of a real good budsicle, but it's too "tall" LOL 750 x 1400, I guess I can reduce.

Edit: that's a Texada Timewarp, "not recommended" for indoors by breeder.LOL They do need a lot of light.

http://www.homegrownbud.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=15434&stc=1&d=1212444981

CylonBud

06-02-2008, 04:24 PM

Wow tripps you got 40 to 50 of 18-20" buds! :eek: I'm sure there where smaller bud sites as well. Your bong will be in the reload forever just off this grow alone! :D of these!:D Nice work on those.:smoke1:

06-02-2008, 04:46 PM

you don't need an air stone for this bro?

interesting .... look forward to more info

Fing_57

06-02-2008, 05:00 PM

Hempys ?

Shadows

06-02-2008, 06:11 PM

you don't need an air stone for this bro?

interesting .... look forward to more info

Nah, no airstone, thats what the perlite is for. Adds and aids in aeration. The vermiculite helps maintain moisture in the root zone.

CB, I know this has got to have some interest to you. Theres a ton of info out there about it, just Google Hempy Buckets. Can you imagine tho, what this could do for a 16oz solo cup grow? may pull a hole 11g out of one:bananna::dance::haha:

Tripps, thanks bro, that is a massive cola :eek:
I know PH is important and Im keeping that in mind. In soil, I've never PH'd and if Im feeding properly never see an issue or have a lack of growth rate. If I cannot use these nutes and hempys just as easily as I can use'm soil, I'll go back to soil. It works and worked well for me before and Im a pretty lazy gardener. ;)

Trust me, Im not overly excited about the growth Im seein in veg, althou it is good. Keeping PH in mind, its a bit more particular in flower and that will be the make or break for this.

So on the subject of Hempys, his story is ease of use. He tried it all and settled on a 10l container with a hole drilled 2" off the bottom. Tripps brings up PH, I dont believe Hempy PH'd his feedings and fed using the Lucas formula. You may not have to, but should check if you have the ability. Its always better to know, again Im lazy ;) - and trusting to some degree that the fertilizer Im using is actually designed for Orchids as it says
If your interested, heres a bit about Orchids (http://www.orchidsusa.com/1Introduction.htm)

These plants will be growing essentially the same way, only the inert media for orchids is tree bark and moss, and Im using perlite and vermiculite. We'll see, if it works it will be the best 7 bucks I've ever spent on fertilizers:D

Shadows

06-04-2008, 07:40 AM

Ok, now if I start posting pictures, every so often just to show health, will that classify this as a journal? :o I guess in the long run, it kind of fits those guidelines, so if a mod wishes to relocate this thread, thats fine...

That said, I have no pictures today, just mental images

A-1 = nice deep green. Not on the verge of purpling (toxic N) and even being at the 6th node, the cotys are still nice and green. Not a single sign of burn from feeding at 1/2 strength from the first serrated leaves and no signs of needing more of anything at this point.

A-2 = had that funkiness early on but has grown out of it and is very similar to A-1 in health and appearance, altho leaf structure is varied.

Im feeding them every 3 days at 1/2 tsp per gallon of the BGO veg food.

Word of warning on the medium. Vermiculite is going to be heavier and smaller then the perlite unless you buy horticultural grade V. That said, expect to see some pooling of V at the bottoms of the cups. With that in mind, I started 3 new seedlings in hempys, but for them the cup was filled to the reservoir weep hole with straight perlite. I dont believe that on a 3 day water cycle the moist V at the bottom would be an issue, but why take the chance? I tried a grow once in V, root rot caught up with me fast.

tripps

06-04-2008, 08:05 AM

Shadows

06-04-2008, 08:18 AM

I agree, Shadows, simplicity is the selling point. As far as ph, the nutes I am using now, plus a little EJ Catalyst, work out to around 6.0, so I don't check ph much any more, 'cause I know mine happens to work, with what I'm using. I tried organic ferts, EJ, when I started, didn't work well, for me, at all. Also consider 32 oz stadium cups, 3 for $1 at Dollar General, twice the volume as a 16 or 20 oz, but roughly the same footprint.

Nice tip on the cups. Im always in the dollar general looking for deals. They used to sell a 1 gallon tote that was 5x9, could fit 6 in flower and I was considering going that route with these, but I like the stadium cups. Could turn this in to a helluva SOG type grow

tripps

06-04-2008, 08:35 AM

Here's a 32 oz shot, an experiment to see how big of a bud you can grow in one. I previosly only kept them in 32's for seedmaking, I wasn't growing for size, I averaged 7 grams each for 17 cups, after the seeds were removed. This one is about 1/2 way, I'm guessing 12-14 gram finish.

http://www.homegrownbud.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=15461&stc=1&d=1212590054

Shadows

06-04-2008, 08:39 AM

yea, that looks about right man. Best I saw out of a solo cup soil grow was 7-8g per cup. Was to much effort for the turn around tho. if the 32ozer will do a half oz each, well, I'll be a happy camper for damn sure!

tripps

06-04-2008, 09:19 AM

Oh, BTW, dumb stoner math error in a previous post, I'm hoping for 1/2 gram or better, I said 1. LOL Chickens aint hatched yet, though. Also I go 1 1/2 -1 3/4 " up for res hole on 32's.

06-04-2008, 02:06 PM

so if a mod wishes to relocate this thread, thats fine...

hydro GJ ? moved bro

Shadows

06-04-2008, 02:13 PM

hydro GJ ?

Yessir, unless theres a Passive Hydro section, Hydro it is.

gorilla

06-04-2008, 03:59 PM

Interesting. :o So a hempy bucket is a bucket filled with perlite/vermiculite only, with a hole drilled about 2 inches up. It needs to be watered every day or every other day. What I am picturing in my head is that a lot of the water runs out of the hole, and only some of it stays at the bottom 2 inches. I can see how this would give the plants plenty of oxygen, but it also puts them at a big risk of drying out, right? And, there are no nutrients in perlite or vermiculite, so all of your nutes are dependent on what you water. Does the water at the bottom 2 inches get stale? I am picturing that each time you water, only so much of that bottom layer of water will be replaced; and some will stay stagnant. How big of a hole do you drill, and how much of the water you feed is wasted and runs right out? Does the medium stay moist or dry out in a matter of hours or what? This seems interesting but almost silly. I am very curious to see your results, shadow.

"Passive Hydro". Lol! @ shadow, thats funny

Shadows

06-05-2008, 06:24 AM

Interesting. :o So a hempy bucket is a bucket filled with perlite/vermiculite only, with a hole drilled about 2 inches up. It needs to be watered every day or every other day.

Actually, every 2-3 days. Seriously, it feels like Im growing in soil with the waterings, but I am a lot more confident in saturation of the medium. Im not watering then coming back 8 min later and doing a second watering to get all the soil damp. I watering until there is a stream of water, not bubbles, coming out of the overflow hole

What I am picturing in my head is that a lot of the water runs out of the hole, and only some of it stays at the bottom 2 inches. I can see how this would give the plants plenty of oxygen, but it also puts them at a big risk of drying out, right?
Not yet it hasnt and I've let 1 go 4 days between watering. Dont let the perlite fool ya, it does retain a good bit of moisture on its own, and we know how good vermiculite is at it.

And, there are no nutrients in perlite or vermiculite, so all of your nutes are dependent on what you water.
Yup, just like in any other hydro system.. The P and V only serve as a moist medium.

Does the water at the bottom 2 inches get stale? I am picturing that each time you water, only so much of that bottom layer of water will be replaced; and some will stay stagnant.
I thought that too, but the water in the bottom will only go stagnant if allowed to be totally depleted of oxygen. Plus, during the 2-3 days between watering the roots will wick up the water thats down there, that the perlite has been keeping O rich. When you water, you pretty much refresh the res.

How big of a hole do you drill, and how much of the water you feed is wasted and runs right out? Does the medium stay moist or dry out in a matter of hours or what?

No, the medium does not dry out fast at all. Shit, Im sprouting seeds in this mixture bro. Just like in soil and not having to rewet the "topsoil" til the 3rd day the seed is in it, which is also a lot like soil. This is also white in color, so it does not heat and dry out as quick as soil may.

This seems interesting but almost silly. I am very curious to see your results, shadow.

I can see where silly may come in, but lets take the word Hempy out of these buckets for a second. Lets put an automatic drip line on it, and change the medium to (another inert medium) rockwool. Now, its a different system, or is it? The medium is still inert, the nutrients still need to be supplied 100% in the water and you'd still be top watering. The biggest difference would be the automation.
This is by NO MEANS a new way to grow, its yet another form of hydroponics growing that has a catchy name:D.

"Passive Hydro". Lol! @ shadow, thats funny
hehehe ;)

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Surprisingly enough, even the 1/4 strength feeding they got perked them up even more. Looks like its time to get some Mg in the medium, Im starting to get some upcurl to the leaf tips on both ladies. Their color just has me beside myself, I had not expected my nutes and hempys to work this well, just hoped it would:D
Gonna take some pictures tonight, hopefully get them posted to show how they're doing. 30w only grows'm so fast.:o

majestyk5

06-05-2008, 08:04 AM

verrry... interrestingk!!!

Mr Burns

06-05-2008, 04:23 PM

.... unless theres a Passive Hydro section, Hydro it is.
:damn:
Can we have a sub section for hempies :rotf:

I'd be interested to hear if someone has played with the Vermiculite/Perlite ratios? I was thinking (get ready :p) that if you had trouble lowering temps from the upper end of the comfort zone you could raise the ratio of vermiculite seeing how it has a degree of fluid retention capabilities, compared to perlite :shrug:
This may act as a kind of extended buffer to the small res in the bottom of the pot :shrug:

I'll be interested to see this one played out ND, as I've never seen one grown out.

BTW, are stadium cups called stadium cups cause that's what you get your soft drinks in at a game?

Shadows

06-05-2008, 06:58 PM

.... unless theres a Passive Hydro section, Hydro it is.
:damn:
Can we have a sub section for hempies :rotf:

Why's this so funny?? Whats say we .....naaa not going there, hehh:D

I'd be interested to hear if someone has played with the Vermiculite/Perlite ratios? I was thinking (get ready :p) that if you had trouble lowering temps from the upper end of the comfort zone you could raise the ratio of vermiculite seeing how it has a degree of fluid retention capabilities, compared to perlite :shrug:
This may act as a kind of extended buffer to the small res in the bottom of the pot :shrug:
With the capacity Im using the difference would be minimal. But I do think, compared to soil, the root zone temps have the ability to be lower. simply from the medium not absorbin so much heat. Cant tell on the ratio, but this is a very comfortable setup.

BTW, are stadium cups called stadium cups cause that's what you get your soft drinks in at a game?
You know, you may be on to something there :D;)

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So here they are. Not looking to bad, considering the care they've received. Its time to feed again and the 1/4 feeding seemed to do ok by'm. I'll try that again and see of those coyts yellow any:D

06-05-2008, 07:38 PM

a special hempy forum, think i saw somit 'bout this not long ago :confused

got some FF hydro for veg so think i might give one ago like... I would rather be all hydro but grow'n in the attic has to many hazards for that and this would solve that problem....wouldn't have 30-40 gallon rez over head like ;)

now just need a couple items from the local hydro store....

what's your thought on start'n in a 5 gallon bucket? can be done in soil I know... but water'n cycles might be an issue like :shrug:

cool thread bro..... you seem to always get my wheels turn'n with your idea's and input over the years :) look forward to try'n this soon and watch'n your grow.

peace

tripps

06-05-2008, 07:39 PM

Can we have a sub section for hempies :rotf: ?

You're in charge, Burnsy.

06-05-2008, 07:43 PM

You're in charge, Burnsy.

Tiss a good thing some one is :)

tripps

06-05-2008, 07:45 PM

You're in charge, Burnsy.

Tiss a good thing some one is :)

It's definitely an inside joke. :p

CylonBud

06-05-2008, 08:14 PM

tripps Those plants seem to love it in that mix. :D I may try one of these on my next grow and compare side by side soil and this passive hydro style. Cot my chair pulled up to watch this. :watch:

Shadows

06-06-2008, 06:20 AM

a special hempy forum, think i saw somit 'bout this not long ago :confused

You saw nothing :D;)
I dont wanna get the whole hempy sub forum debate going here, just wanna grow in em.

got some FF hydro for veg so think i might give one ago like... I would rather be all hydro but grow'n in the attic has to many hazards for that and this would solve that problem....wouldn't have 30-40 gallon rez over head like ;)

Good point, with these, if using a 2gallon pot, theres about a 1 liter res per container and all the moisture in the medium. But you will be surprised by how much moisture the medium holds on its own.

what's your thought on start'n in a 5 gallon bucket? can be done in soil I know... but water'n cycles might be an issue like :shrug:

Dont quite know enough about the setup yet but from reading Hempys threads on it, the difference between a 10l harvest and a 5gallon harvest were minimal and didnt justify the extra medium.

cool thread bro..... you seem to always get my wheels turn'n with your idea's and input over the years :) look forward to try'n this soon and watch'n your grow.
peace

Thanks CB, smalltime lead me in this direction and you know I've always wanted to try hydro cheap. This could be my ticket, or a solid return to soil:D.

When I get clones going, I'll try a side by side of the hempys and soil. From seed wont be accurate representation, I mean look at these 2 now. 1 day separates their sprout'n.
A-1 definitely has the stronger root system. She needed a bit of water before the stream came out the overflow.
A-2 could have gone another day cause the overflow was bubbling pretty quick.
The feeding had just a sprinkle of epsom salts added, but looks like that curl was just a fad.

tripps

06-06-2008, 08:08 AM

Re the 5gal, I've heard that too, but I disagree. One last pic/ hijack,LOL, and I'll leave you alone. A WR clone mom in a 5 gal, my moms in the 2 3/4 gallon wastebaskets yielded around 3 oz on average, this monster I predict 8 oz. I've found gradual transplants the key, this went 32 oz to 1 gal to 2 3/4 gal to 5 gal. ( that's a 2 3/4 , in blue on the right) (speedracer, at GC, also had good success in 5 gal) Maybe I could have grown them bigger in the 2 3/4, but this baby in the 5 was drinking 1 gal every 24 hrs, at one point, so I'd say it's maxed out, sizewise. LOL

http://www.homegrownbud.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=15499&stc=1&d=1212761201

Shadows

06-06-2008, 08:13 AM

:wow: :grow:

very nice Tripps. Dont worry a bit about posting pics or info from your experience here, I wanna learn too;)

06-06-2008, 07:57 PM

hey ND, thanks for the feed back brother :D take'n notes here...

didn't catch hempys grow :o just the thread on it;) can ya pm me a link if/when ya have time like.

also tiss no biggy to start a Passive Hydro section... hell let us be the first on the WWW to do it.. just say the word and I will move it into a subforum under hydro

so 2.5 gal ver 5 gallon was bout same result in weight right? so say like me with 5x5gallon in a 4x4 cab would i still only grow 5 in 2.5's and have bout the same in weight?

really like the sound of only have'n a bit over 1 gallon in 5 x 2.5 gallon pot's:) dog knocked over a 5 gallon brew of tea up there once and in this log cabin it just took a sec to flow thru and land on the miss's and couch down below:eek: glad a made a BIG doghouse

oh and where is smalltime these days? bout time for him to get going outdoor eh

peace

06-06-2008, 09:34 PM

wright up a decp. for this forum? :p

:pass:

tripps

06-07-2008, 04:43 AM

so 2.5 gal ver 5 gallon was bout same result in weight right? peace

See post #29. LOL

Shadows

06-09-2008, 01:19 PM

can you
wright up a decp. for this forum?

Discussion of hand watered/non-automated (ie no water or air pumps) hydroponic systems ?:o

Dunno how else it could be worded and not being a double wammy? Of course even that description does not rule out a auto watering gravity fed drip line being in this section, lol....

For container size, I want to say thats how hempy has said it. I've read a few of his threads but never followed one of his grows. Personally, I find he's a bit bitter discussing anything BUT how he grows in them. To each is own, put your own spin on it and we'll call it the Cheapo bucket :):p lol

Tripps however seems to have a PERFECT answer to the question. If you can fit larger, go larger. In the end, this system seems very customizable to the end user. I think next go, I may cut the vermiculite ratio so I can feed/water more often.

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Notes for today

A1 put on an inch or more of growth over the weekend and gained another node or 2. Node spacing is about 3/4" -1" between. Not bad considering she is 7" away from the light source.

A2 put on a little less growth but has gained another node. Node spacing is a little tighter then A1. Same distance from the light

Both girls got fed lastnight and again, A1 was the overall winner of who needed more fluid. Its not only obvious by looking at their size, but by cup weight after 2 days no watering. Man is this a lot like soil, lol.. A2 may miss out on the next watering/feeding to get her roots going. This last feeding was with flower ferts, in hopes that would get them going. A little P does the roots good:D:p.. Reference my Avator, :cool::eek:

The cool thing is, each feeding I am rewarded with a growth spurt. A reason why I want to cut back a tad on the V so I can feed more often without over doing it.

Pictures in a day or 2 to show how they stack up. Im finally getting impressed by these Hempys:cool:

majestyk5

06-09-2008, 02:10 PM

sounds like its going good already huh

Shadows

06-09-2008, 02:18 PM

sounds like its going good already huh

Yeah man, I'd say they are doing just fine by me. You know on you're first grow you may have thought
" If it makes it past seedling stage and is still healthy Im doing OK"
"If it starts veggin and stays healthy Im doing even better"

Well, I was there and now I just want to see whats capable. If I didn't want an unflowered clone of one of these 2 plants, I'd toss'm in flower as is just to see how it goes, lol.

Mr Burns

06-09-2008, 05:06 PM

Discussion of hand watered/non-automated (ie no water or air pumps) hydroponic systems ?:o

:damn: That's one plan scuppered :(

A2 may miss out on the next watering/feeding to get her roots going.
:gthumb: Good to see a root teaser in operation :)

You know on you're first grow you may have thought
" If it makes it past seedling stage and is still healthy Im doing OK"
"If it starts veggin and stays healthy Im doing even better"

Well, I was there and now I just want to see whats capable.
Kudos ND :gthumb: Many a good word has been spoken but them words are a good collective :2cents:

majestyk5

06-09-2008, 05:36 PM

i agree, had and still do, those very thoughts

Shadows

06-09-2008, 08:00 PM

Here's how they sit tonight. Not looking to bad for only 30w in veg. Its always slow going, but they look good enough to smoke already:D

A1
A2
A1&A2

Shadows

06-09-2008, 08:04 PM

Discussion of hand watered/non-automated (ie no water or air pumps) hydroponic systems ?:o

:damn: That's one plan scuppered :(

Well now, Im sure CB isn't nailed down on this if it needs expanding on

You know on you're first grow you may have thought
" If it makes it past seedling stage and is still healthy Im doing OK"
"If it starts veggin and stays healthy Im doing even better"

Well, I was there and now I just want to see whats capable.
Kudos ND :gthumb: Many a good word has been spoken but them words are a good collective :2cents:

Thanks bud. I hope the pictures above do my excitement some justice. :D

Shadows

06-10-2008, 09:49 PM

A1 was dry and showing a loss of tugor on the lowest set of fan leaves. 2 days between waterings, must be time for that transplant soon ;) .
Her apic responded to the training, I tied it back in place tonight. Seeing that first set of nodes get active and the coyts are starting to yellow out. Time to up the feedings
A2 still had moisture in the top 1" of medium. 2 more days maybe. Coyts are yellow and about gone now. Next water its full dose, as is A1.

Mr Burns

06-11-2008, 06:47 PM

Shadows

06-11-2008, 08:06 PM

What age are they now ND? Got any pics?

Seems a 'spurt' just went by :shrug:

Wow, looking back doesn't make these sound all that great, lol.. They sprouted on May 19, and today is June 11, so 23 days from sproutin. But A1 did just hit another node, and need another watering tonight. Thats 2 nights in a row, damn I need that next container sorted soon.

last set of pix are 2 days old but I'll try to work another round in by Friday evening. Hopefully by then, I'll have the transplant sorted, followed by a topping, then tossing the lower into flower for sexing after I get some roots.

Mr Burns

06-12-2008, 02:46 PM

Shadows

06-12-2008, 02:51 PM

....Hopefully by then, I'll have the transplant sorted, followed by a topping, then tossing the lower into flower for sexing after I get some roots.

So what topping regime ND? You done this before cause I'm crap at it :slap:

The simple bits.. When I top, its the top 4-5 nodes that get removed, lowest 2 nodes cleared of leaves and secondaries and into vermiculite it goes. By the time it roots, the donor plant has fully recovered and goes into flower, while the freshly rooted top takes the donor plants spot in veg.

Mr Burns

06-14-2008, 02:37 PM

CezarCronic

06-15-2008, 08:22 PM

Hy here shadows , interesting grow man i love to be able to build me empy buckets but here where I'm front is impossible ti find the pumps and nutes for hydro cultivation , also clay pellets are not every where here , so I'm in soil until i move to where this are available.

I be checking out your progress friend ....:cool:

06-15-2008, 10:12 PM

Reason I asked about topping out was that its easy, but some people like tripps makes it look easy, or at least what I do for topping never results in plants like his. I'm fishing for topping procedures

BAIT (http://www.homegrownbud.com/forums/ogfaq/growfaq/738.html)

Shadows

06-16-2008, 06:48 AM

Ahhh so you mean 'topping' as in taking clones? I meant topping as in 'pinching out' to bush the plant out :o

Reason I asked about topping out was that its easy, but some people like tripps makes it look easy, or at least what I do for topping never results in plants like his. I'm fishing for topping procedures so I'll take this to the 'Advanced techniques' forum :o

Did you get any potting up done ND?

Well, for me bro, its pretty much the same technique, just less material removed when just topping as apposed to taking a clone. When I top, I'll just pinch the top of the apic off, smallest amount possible while still removing the whole tip. When another tip takes dominance, I'll pinch it too. I'd like 4-6 tops at the screen when flower starts.

Why yes I did and I'll have a picture or 2 up for you this evening (for me). Its nothing spectacular tho, lol... looks like a big ball of white :D.

Hey CC, I dont know what area your in, but have a look at which orchid foods are available. They're working so far here.
Also, no clay pellets here, the medium can be had at any home and garden center for about 8 bucks.

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Well, nothing really exciting to report. A1 is still making strides and growing good. Her stalk is getting a lot thicker then Im used to seeing in soil, but could be pheno, and a side by side with clones will show better just why it is. A2 is not breakin any speed records but is still healthy and putting on new growth.

Shadows

06-16-2008, 07:36 PM

The transplant. Wasn't as bad as I expected but I did loose a good bit of the loose stuff on top, as you can see :o.

Roots on A1 looking pretty good at this point. They've filled their space well, that was a tight nit root ball.

Looks may be deceiving in these pictures. The butter container holds 3 cups worth of the solo's, so while it does not look much bigger, the roots will think otherwise.

You'll also see its straight perlite just about up to the drain hole. I dont want water sitting her too long, so this will reduce the amount of vermiculite that makes its way down.

Of course that does not seem to matter much, looking at the root ball, they continue all through the res section.

Shadows

06-16-2008, 07:38 PM

If it could be anymore like a dirt transplant, I'd be amazed. Just as messy as ever, lol. But the roots do look good dont they? :)

A2 is still a bit behind her sister, but doing good. I'll need more medium for the next transplant

06-16-2008, 07:52 PM

Shadows

06-16-2008, 08:29 PM

take'n notes here bro :)

thx for the root piccy.... been wonder'n on the xplant with these as well :cool:

still not sure what size of bucket i want to start with yet.... think'n one size fits all for a test grow with like at least a 2 gallon pot....

looks great so far

:pass:

Just like in soil man, the seedling stage is the toughest part to get through. Its still possible to get damping off or root rot. For that I say its best to keep small so the medium is easier to manage. Once they've got some size to them, I see no issue with going into the final bucket, apart from what tripps has said, others claim a "stall".

06-16-2008, 08:46 PM

Just like in soil man, the seedling stage is the toughest part to get through. Its still possible to get damping off or root rot. For that I say its best to keep small so the medium is easier to manage.

been start'n seeds in 1 gal pot's here and one xplant into 5 gal for last couple grows so think from what i have seen so far with hempies is not much diff then soil like you say.... the grower needs to know how to grow this plant and adjust like to style's/mediums :)

thk for the input

you know me mang.... will try it upside down even lmao

Shadows

06-17-2008, 08:25 AM

you know me mang.... will try it upside down even lmao

OOOOHHhh no, you aint draggin me in with that comment :D

CB, I'd say if you got it down in soil, doing it this way wont change your pace at all. Just remember (cause I didnt) but theres loads and loads of tiny particles that hit the air when dumping the hempy material, or mixing it. Either wear a good dust mask, or have a spray bottle of plain water handy to keep the dust down. It didnt cross my mind until after the mushroom cloud of debris formed above my bucket :D:o

Speaking of the upside down dealy, have you seen those new tomato planters? You start them right side up, and when the plant gets 6" tall, invert the bag and hang from a hook.
Here she is, the topsy turvy :)
http://www.plowhearth.com/plow_assets/images/shop/catalog/50925e.jpg

Freakshow

06-17-2008, 09:53 AM

High Shadows! My Mom has one of those upside down tomato planters and loves it. Pain in the butt to get things planted, but once the plant is established, they bush out like crazy.

Mind if I pull up my LazyBoy, load the bong and watch?

Here, Mr Cb, hti this and pass left pass left please

CezarCronic

06-17-2008, 12:04 PM

Shadows you give me a hell of an idea with all this man , i was reading your previous post and i think i can build me some Hempy buckets here and use Orquit nutrients those are every where here , can i mix perlite with coconut peat?? .

Clay pellets are also available but not every where , I'm looking for some now for sure.

I was thinking on using a regular water pumps 1/2 hp to make a flow circulation and place the buckets 50 cm front the floor and a recycling tank under with the pump attach to make the water circulation possible .:D

Shadows

06-17-2008, 07:59 PM

Mind if I pull up my LazyBoy, load the bong and watch?

A pleasure as always to have ya along bro. Sorry Im not settin ya up:pass:, give me a few more months tho :D

Shadows you give me a hell of an idea with all this man , i was reading your previous post and i think i can build me some Hempy buckets here and use Orquit nutrients those are every where here , can i mix perlite with coconut peat?? .

Clay pellets are also available but not every where , I'm looking for some now for sure.

I was thinking on using a regular water pumps 1/2 hp to make a flow circulation and place the buckets 50 cm front the floor and a recycling tank under with the pump attach to make the water circulation possible .:D

Perlite and coco work great together. 80/20 coco/perlite and flush about once a month if feeding heavy. For that tho, I'd forgo the hempy drain on the side and use a standard pot, set in a tray with a drain on the tray. Dunno if I'd recirculate the nutrients unless absolutely necessary. If using a drip line, a 15 min drip once a day would maintain solid growth in coco, and there's not much waste in that. Plus the benefit of knowing they're getting exact amounts per feeding, not a reflux of unused nutrients throwing off the balance.

Check the label of those nutrients, if the main source of Nitrogen is Urea, it wont be your best choice for a soilless medium.

____________

I'd been pushing A2 on waterings, trying to get those roots spreading. Finally she needs water every 3 days. Tonight she was wilted on the lower leaves but the top looked fine.

A1 has responded to the new space now. Her lower shoots have sprung off the stem some and a new node is forming. Other things are forming too:( and they arent looking soo good.

CylonBud

06-17-2008, 08:20 PM

I'd been pushing A2 on waterings, trying to get those roots spreading. Finally she needs water every 3 days. Tonight she was wilted on the lower leaves but the top looked fine.

A1 has responded to the new space now. Her lower shoots have sprung off the stem some and a new node is forming. Other things are forming too:( and they arent looking soo good.

Other things? Hermie? :eek:

CezarCronic

06-17-2008, 09:32 PM

Check the label of those nutrients, if the main source of Nitrogen is Urea, it wont be your best choice for a soilless medium.

I know bro thanks anyways , urea is 100% ureic Nitrogen to hard for the plant , Nitric nitrogen will be the one best for this .

I'm a commercial Farmer , us to grow tons of corn 600 acres one crop a year and urea is the one we use for nitrogen source but i know is hard nitrogen not good for flowers .

I like the idea of regular pots and the tray , if i feat them like i do in soil will work ok right ??

Shadows

06-18-2008, 05:55 AM

Other things? Hermie? :eek:

Hermie, i hope not, but does look like male preflowers forming. Good thing I've been wrong before on this, otherwise I'd kill it now:D

I like the idea of regular pots and the tray , if i feat them like i do in soil will work ok right ??

You can feed just like in soil, but coco will take more frequent waterings so why not take advantage of it? ;) feed/water daily so things are always fresh.

oh, urea isnt 'that' bad for MJ when used in soil. it just takes longer to break down so the plants can use it. Good for use in veg, but should not be used at all in flower cause it could still be breaking down 7-9 weeks later and feeding N to the plant.

Mr Burns

06-18-2008, 06:13 AM

Looking rather super dooper there ND.

Like CB said, thanks for root pic. The roots look as healthy as they could be which is encouraging :)

Shadows

06-19-2008, 09:49 AM

Thanks Turdman!!! I just knew you'd see the turd signal
removed to remain PC

:D

_________________

I was planning on topping that A1 out lastnight, but my mood got the better of me and instead I ended up burning bowl after bowl trying to get out of it. Im not much better off, but the plants are still looking good. :o

tripps

06-19-2008, 09:54 AM

There's one for the Burns family album!

CylonBud

06-19-2008, 09:54 AM

ewww! :eek:

majestyk5

06-19-2008, 10:12 AM

thats disgusting!!!! :mad:!!!

becky420

06-19-2008, 10:51 AM

really like was that called for?

Shadows

06-19-2008, 10:54 AM

really like was that called for?

fixed

RedEyezzzzz

06-19-2008, 11:15 AM

I always miss the good shit.

Shadows

06-19-2008, 11:18 AM

I always miss the good shit.

Literally ;)

Mr Burns

06-19-2008, 12:37 PM

I always miss the good shit.
:damn: Me too :(

I was planning on topping that A1 out lastnight, but my mood got the better of me and instead I ended up burning bowl after bowl trying to get out of it. Im not much better off, but the plants are still looking good. :o
Thank you ND. I thought it were just I who smoked to excess in order to back burner a chore :bong:

:hippy:

WilliamClarkeQuantrill

06-19-2008, 08:16 PM

been a while since I got to watch ND_shadows journal. toke it easy bro, looking great! :smokin:

Shadows

06-23-2008, 05:47 AM

Well Burnsy, seems it may have been a good idea to wait after all as I still havn't done it :o, and worse yet, no weed to blame on the lack of motivation.

WCQ, good to see you about bro. Hope you've been doing well. This journal may be on the unfortunate down swing, with an axe.. It'll take a few more days to be certain, but looks like Im going to have 2 males, and no females for them to dabble on..

No growing news to report, other then A1 and A2 both appear to have male bits coming up. Their health is still good, better then expected actually but them male bits just ruin it for me:o

CylonBud

06-23-2008, 07:58 AM

No growing news to report, other then A1 and A2 both appear to have male bits coming up. Their health is still good, better then expected actually but them male bits just ruin it for me:o

I know the feeling. It's how I felt when my only Blueberry to sprout started showing male bits and was in fact a male. It's nearly ready to pollinate in which I will collect some and then off to the compost pile. :rolleyes:

Shadows

06-23-2008, 08:04 AM

I know the feeling. It's how I felt when my only Blueberry to sprout started showing male bits and was in fact a male. It's nearly ready to pollinate in which I will collect some and then off to the compost pile. :rolleyes:

Ahh man, its like a severe kick in the nads I tell ya. With nothing more going on, WTF to do now? Well, starting 3 more seeds sounds like a great idea :D, but it also puts me a month+ behind schedule... must mean its time to get that 400w installed in flower:eek:

tripps

06-23-2008, 08:12 AM

I always start at least 4 seeds, :2cents:, gives you an 87.5% chance of a female or 2 sexes, even three is only 75%. You prob know that, just talkin" LOL

CylonBud

06-23-2008, 08:40 AM

What tripps said. If ya got the beans start 4-8 that way you can be sure to have something female. When I germinated my BB I tried 20 seeds to get only one. I was crap at it then. Wasted 6 wks on that male. :mad: I've since germinated 7 out of 9 White Rhino seeds and all 7 took root. 5 are in my OD grow sex unknown, 1 is at a friends, and 1 is in my ID grow. My friend gifted me clones and a few plants so mt ID grow will be getting crowed once the clones are potted. Female clones rock. No nasty males to ruin your fun. :D I plan to cross the BB with the W Rhino, W Russian, and Nebula. I might do the Texada time warp with it too. I plan to take clones all the while as well so as to not be out a female while growing from seed again. :D

Shadows

06-24-2008, 06:06 AM

I always start at least 4 seeds, :2cents:, gives you an 87.5% chance of a female or 2 sexes, even three is only 75%. You prob know that, just talkin" LOL

You're good bro, Im just not telling the whole story. I've got 3 other babies in the grow, about 10 days old now ;). I just havn't mentioned them. They also are in hempys and are quite possibly female dominant through hermie pollination. Starting 3 more seeds, wont cause too much of an issue of space once they fill out some. As I say, I only need 1 female (that will let me do as I please :D)

A1 is still very healthy looking. I hit them with 1tsp per gallon of the BGO veg, and promoted a little tip burn. Backing down to 3/4, should be a happy medium. Still no wacky ph issues showing their head.

A2 still looks like she's a couple of weeks behind A1. Health is still good and the 1tsp feeding didnt have the same effect on leaf tips, but there was no issues using 1/2 so 3/4 for this one from here on out as well.

I took some pictures lastnight, no chance to upload them to the PC tho. tonight I'll try for a few more shots and to get them posted up here.

tripps

06-24-2008, 07:02 AM

[QUOTE=tripps;43641] Still no wacky ph issues showing their head.

I tried organics, EJ, when I started Hempies, had plenty of "wacky ph issues", switched to GH, no probs, haven't checked runoff in near 2 months, had no problems, so felt no need to check. I shoot for 5.8-6.2, and I try to vary it some, to make sure I'm covering all the optimal ranges. If I'm off a little, say 5.7 or 6.3, I usually don't correct, just shoot for closer to the other end of the range next watering (if I remember LOL ). I think Burnsy said he liked to let it swing a bit in his hydro too.

Shadows

06-24-2008, 09:13 PM

As of yesterday evening.

First 2 are A1
Last 2 are A2

Ph still unchecked, nutes a tad:o on the high side :D

becky420

06-25-2008, 02:22 AM

YUM my fav butter
nice container..
the red cup reminds me of the keg days.. but they look great dude!!

tripps

06-25-2008, 07:10 AM

the red cup reminds me of the keg days

Bad girl! :roll::cheers::sodrunk:

Shadows

06-25-2008, 07:50 AM

YUM my fav butter
nice container..
the red cup reminds me of the keg days.. but they look great dude!!

Some things never change :D, like with cups... When I was at a keg party and they were passing out cups, I was searching for a bowl. :D Alcohol never does me any favors

becky420

06-25-2008, 08:19 AM

then you will need that butter dish then!

Shadows

06-30-2008, 10:06 AM

Sorry for the lack of updates, home life has changed some and my grow work time doesnt start till 10pm now and I'm up the next morning by 530. Then I gotta weasel a few minutes from my wife on the PC to do all the resizing and such of pics. I'd love to get a few up, but in reality there is not a whole lot to show.

I will tell ya, the top 5 nodes of A1 got chopped off Saturday night. It went into 100% vermiculite for rooting and the donor went into 12/12 under 250 hps (for now). I'm tried of trying to figure it out from underdeveloped preflowers. We'll have an answer momentarily:D

A2 is STILL in the solo cup but a lot further along in its preflower development. This one should tell his story before A1 in 12/12...

Tonight, I start tearing apart the 400w ballast so I can see what will need to happen for it to fit in the mechanical room. My bulb should be here next week as well. I need to get this puppy going in the next 3 weeks

Mr Burns

06-30-2008, 04:32 PM

.... nutes a tad :o on the high side :D

I couldn't see that ND :shrug:

One question seeing how you're ahead of me in this hempy game, why does this plant have a 'recovery' lean to its main stem? Is it 'just because' or is there a top heavy issue regarding plants gripping the perlite :shrug:

Sorry not to have chimed in more buddy. Been prepping the main room for the next run :o Seems you're on top though and without a PH monitor :bananna:

http://www.homegrownbud.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=15906&d=1214363538

Shadows

07-01-2008, 05:24 AM

2 shots of A1 up first, last pic is A2 (more of that one in a second)

Burns, there is a slight lean to every plant I've started in the hempys. Mostly cause the medium has no binding properties of its own. When I water, the plant "floats" a little then resettles. A1 also had a tie down on her for a few days, but she was stronger then my ties:o

Shadows

07-01-2008, 05:26 AM

'n this one for me??

Im honestly at a loss:(

Shadows

07-01-2008, 05:45 AM

.... nutes a tad :o on the high side :D

I couldn't see that ND :shrug:

There's a little sign of it on the leaf tips. Ever slightly singed off, but the big sign is in the plants overall color. The older leaves have an almost purple hue to them from pushing the nutes to high. Deep deep green, says Im bordering toxicity. That came from a full strength feeding, lol. They dont need it and I doubt I'll ever venture that high again in hempys. Really, 1/2 strength worked out perfectly every feeding. To the point that it was obvious if I used only water with next day yellowing down low.

Here's some other seedlings starting off in hempys, the lean is there

tripps

07-01-2008, 06:30 AM

'n this one for me??

Im honestly at a loss:(

Middle one looks like a possible male, but for me, at least, too early to tell.

07-01-2008, 06:55 AM

'n this one for me??

Im honestly at a loss:(

few days to early for me to tell for sure, but like tripps i suspect male

Shadows

07-01-2008, 07:03 AM

Middle one looks like a possible male, but for me, at least, too early to tell.

Is what I thought too, but it might just be a hermie?? I could have swore there was a bit higher up, had a tiny hair pokin out, but just 1 and could not get a focused pic of it.

damn damn, A1 has similar growths on it and I was hoping I was wrong in the 2 for 2 males guess at earlier signs:(

tripps

07-01-2008, 07:27 AM

CylonBud

07-01-2008, 07:28 AM

I agree. Wait till you know for sure. :cool:

Foxy

07-01-2008, 08:09 AM

Shadows

07-01-2008, 08:20 AM

You and your fancy ways ND.... ;) Great to see you getting healthy plants with this. 2thumbs

Although those pics do look like they show testiricular bollocksius. :mad: Don't those plants realise how important you are!!?!?

If you think they may be just the odd hermie sack though, just pinch 'em out eh?

I tell ya, no matter what I say to them, they just dont understand :D

I dont mind pinchin a nanner here and there, but a full blown pod toss'n hermie I want no part of.
The other thing, I've got a clone dating back 20 years in here from a good friend that possibly has Afghan genetics. These 2 seeds Im growin should have a affy background as well. I want a clean cross of the 2, see what will be:)

Mr Burns

07-01-2008, 10:00 AM

....from a good friend that possibly has Afghan genetics.
Well does he :shrug: or doesn't he :shrug:

Tip of the day ND, the obligatory AK47 slung over a shoulder should give it away ;)

Shadows

07-02-2008, 08:13 AM

....from a good friend that possibly has Afghan genetics.
Well does he :shrug: or doesn't he :shrug:

Tip of the day ND, the obligatory AK47 slung over a shoulder should give it away ;)

hehehhehehe. who cares about the friend, I want the 20yo pot lol.

these fucking plants, man why wont they just SHOW ME!!! impatience is kicking in big time as I just want to get some shit in flower and have some bud to smoke come the end of the summer. a man can only live for so long on schwag alone:o

Shadows

07-03-2008, 05:30 AM

these fucking plants, man why wont they just SHOW ME!!!

Careful what you ask, you may just get it:(

A1 showed multiple nuts lastnight
A2 has signs of stems on the preflowers

2 for 2, we got boys:o
Guess I'll have to make the most of'm

A2 is getting chopped, a1 is getting a new clone cut, I'll need his pollen later:D

Unless yall want to see pics of the chop, this ends their story.
I am germ'n some more beans tonight ;), they'll also be in hempy mix :) - guess Im converted now, lol.

Foxy

07-03-2008, 06:48 AM

Unlucky Brother..... :(

Next two (or more) will defnitely be female. 2thumbs

If you use an enzyme or h2o2 can you re-use the potting mix?

Shadows

07-03-2008, 09:50 AM

Next two (or more) will defnitely be female. 2thumbs

If you use an enzyme or h2o2 can you re-use the potting mix?

well, I've got 3 babies about 2-3 weeks old now. 1 is running to the light, the other 2 (while having same node count) are about 1" or shorter then the leggy one. So maybe you're right, lol. damn sure hope so over here, hehehe

I would find it hard to believe the medium CANT be reused. You're gonna loose a percentage of it with each root ball harvest anyway so its never going to be 100% old medium. I plan to knock off what I can back in the mix container and toss whats stuck to the roots out. Its literally 7 bucks to buy enough new medium to get me through quite a few plants. I wont bitch if it needs to be tossed completely either, lol

You know, Im gonna have some fun with A2 before his demise. Time to dig out the Cytokinin and see if I can make this bound plant bush out without topping it :). Before and after pics of that over the next few days:D

Mr Burns

07-03-2008, 03:35 PM

Bad luck on the balls buddy :(

I'm rootin for you with these others. Plants with skirts is what we want :)

Shadows

07-05-2008, 07:57 AM

Agreed burnsy!! In fact, I just boosted flower to ~133 watts per sqft :D by throw'n a 400w hps in there. Lordy, let there be girls on this next round. I cant wait to flower under 400w :D:D:D

Shadows

07-07-2008, 06:18 AM

first up, the 400w ballast after removing the casing

2nd is a 400w bulb beside a 250. 250 is on the left

3rd is with the 250 ballast in the mech room

and
4th is with the 400w ballast and panels in the mech room.

Looks scary but all wires inside the ballast are factory connected and theres a piece of foam rubber that lays over top the caps, so I dont get a charge from them as well.:eek:

There was a pic of flower with the light turned on, wasn't very impressive with no plants under it :). I'll make up for that in a few months:D

Foxy

07-07-2008, 07:04 AM

Nicely done Mate. 2thumbs

What's your thinking on taking the ballast out of its case? better airflow to keep it cool?

Shadows

07-07-2008, 07:21 AM

Nicely done Mate. 2thumbs

What's your thinking on taking the ballast out of its case? better airflow to keep it cool?

To make it fit:o:D. A side benefit is it keeps its operating temperature down and its noise down by doing so. Its pretty obvious, the hotter the transformer gets the louder it gets. I've had to time the lights on time so that 8 hours later, when the transformer is near peak temp and noise level, Im good and asleep, lol.

Oh, this keeps getting better too, :D. Some how, with the 250hps and 3 cfls running my exhaust temperature was topping 89 degrees for the entire box. Last nights test showed the highest exhaust temp at 87. Its not much, but its lower and so is the heat load this box now puts on my bedroom. :D. We'll see if I need to keep the vents totally closed this winter like I did last year. Damn near couldnt sleep in the bedroom some nights it was so warm.

midwestbluntman

07-07-2008, 07:57 AM

pic 4 looks kinda scary bro,I bet the hair on your arms raise every time you stick it in there,lol...

Shadows

07-07-2008, 08:27 AM

pic 4 looks kinda scary bro,I bet the hair on your arms raise every time you stick it in there,lol...

Scary as it seems its safer then I was doing:o. All wires are capped off and the tops of the capacitors cannot be touched without moving stuff. look at pic 3, shits just dangling with ducttape over open ended wires.

Down side is my drying area has to be relocated, to where tho I've no idea??

Mr Burns

07-07-2008, 08:39 AM

Shadows

07-07-2008, 09:00 AM

:eek: Bloody hell ND. At first I was a little concerned at that box. In fact, I still am a little :p But, considering the heat the spade connectors and windings have experienced so far I think removing the case was probably the best thing to do for it, and you.
You ever thought of going digital? I haven't yet but if you were going for a replacement in the future maybe that's the way to go :shrug:

Be good to see some green :)

I'll keep an eye on things for sure. Putting the temp probe directly on the transformer after 8 hours of ON, shows a temp of 110. I had tried partially covering the Xformer for sound reasons, but that took the 110 up to a blistering 150. With power on, I've jiggled and grabbed every wire in there, but avoided the poles on the caps like the plague -avoid even with power off!!!

I do appreciate the concern over the safety of this setup. I've almost pulled it out based on that alone, but to be 100% honest, with it just sitting in the mechanical room its just like it would be sitting in its metal ballast casing. Before, I only ever went in the mech room to hang or remove buds - it was my drying room - but this ballast eats up a lot of space and will bake the buds dry. So drying will move and the mech room will stay closed until I have to go in there.

Digital is definitely the next flower upgrade I want to do, but if the ballast is any longer then the HPS one, locating it will be hard.

tripps

07-07-2008, 10:50 AM

I've got an old 400w HPS that I first used 20 years ago, still working. I separated the ballast from the bulb , made a homemade reflector, so the ballast can be outside the grow. Digitals rule, they have remote ballasts, not sure why it would be hard to locate the ballast?

Dawg

07-07-2008, 12:15 PM

Mr Burns

07-07-2008, 01:38 PM

Think someone on here said a bug started a fire b4.
That may have been me commenting to CB Dawg. Couple of years ago I found a half fried bug at the base of a plant which stood under a 600HID. There were plenty of crispy dead leaf matter laying around too, which sparked some concern in me.
It may have been me laying that across to CB that rings a bell but if not, probably best repeated anyway ;)

CezarCronic

07-07-2008, 07:57 PM

Well guys this is the way i keep my ballast in my Grow room Ñ

fist i get a rectangular piece of marine plywood and attach the ballast and components , to have good ventilation on the ballast i place a piece of steel angle of metal between the ballast and the wood this way no heating and air flows under.

after the lamps components are in the rectangular base i go and get me one of those shelf use for wardrobes and closets and place 't on top of the lamps near the roof on the wall , this shelf are available at Walt Mart and Home depot , also they are corded with rubber plastic most of the time white , this will be good to avoid electrical shocks:p , then i take the lines inside PVC tubes attach to the walls to the shelfs there i wire the lamps , the reflector are hanging on chains right next to this shelfs do the cables are not that long because distance reduces amps ;) .

They are always cool and don't make any noises at all , always place metal between the ballast and base , you can also use metal or aluminum plate as base too.

Pics will show a 1000w hps set a 400w MH and a 1000w MH this are very hot lamps and my way works very good i haven't had any burning or heating problems ever , all wires are attach with rubber tape and visible to the naked eye this way i can look at them any time i want with out any hustle or removing parts to see :D

http://www.homegrownbud.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=16140&stc=1&d=1215482126

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Shadows

07-07-2008, 08:11 PM

Can you do me a favor ND? If thats debris on the floor of the transformer area...vaccum it up nice n clean ;) Scrape up any of the excess foam filler you got in there ;)
Otherwise looks good dude. :D I can see why the ballast case won't fit in there. Steel wire cage around the caps n stuff might help it so you don't bump into it while messing around. Just some thoughts. Seen little debris catch before. Think someone on here said a bug started a fire b4.

Good points Dawg. I could stand to clean up a bit more of the debris in there. I've got a good bit of foam here, blue sheet foam 1/4" thick, think I could just mold a piece of that to cover the caps? The Xformer has to stay open like that tho, sorry the heats got to leave it to keep the noise down.

Tripps, ballast location is all about space. I have to have enough for it. the mechanical room works best because it keeps its heat out of the grow. A digital will run cooler and allow me to locate it elsewhere, but still has to work in a 23x20 space:o

I like your setup CC, very clean and arranged. Wish I had a 1/4 of that space to ease the struggle. I'll take some ideas from ya if you dont mind. strapping the caps would make the arrangement more stable.

Thanks guys, I'll go get things right :), well soon as things cool down, I never did turn the light back off, lol.

Shadows

07-11-2008, 01:37 PM

Figured I'd update on the latest... The light in flower just got turned off a day or so ago. A2 was in there sex'n and finally spit out the male flowers I was waiting on. He's drying as we speak. I tell ya, if all 3 of those other seeds end up being male, you'll never see me start from seed in a Hempy again.

Clones, now thats a different story. They have amazing growth in this setup.
I can see me in a few months. The only soil in my house will be what tracks in on my feet:D

Mr Burns

07-11-2008, 02:41 PM

I'm rootin for ya ND.
Funny you mention clones cause that's what I miss :(

How are the others looking?

Foxy

07-11-2008, 04:06 PM

I can see me in a few months. The only soil in my house will be what tracks in on my feet:D

You know it makes sense.... :rockon:

Shadows

07-14-2008, 06:25 AM

I'm rootin for ya ND.
Funny you mention clones cause that's what I miss :(

How are the others looking?

Clones, well damn, the A1 clone got a white fungus on him right near the medium. He went in the trash. Sad thing is, that didnt show up until the day AFTER I had chopped down A2. So now, no males:o

I've been told that the other beans Im running were from a accidental Hermie cross and they should be all females. 1 is holding true to that, with a second showing possible female parts but the last shows me nothing. THe last is also the tallest.. But, it all goes back to that one word - Hermie-. These plants will serve as nothing more then bud. I'll take a cutting of each female as a precaution, ya know just in case its good, but no intentions of ever breeding this one out.

I'll try and get another journal going here of the first run under the 400whps when I've got some girls for the task.

Shadows

07-15-2008, 06:04 AM

I've been told that the other beans Im running were from a accidental Hermie cross and they should be all females. 1 is holding true to that, with a second showing possible female parts but the last shows me nothing.

Well 1 out of 3 aint bad :D. The tallest still hasnt shown me anything, but the other 2 did decide how they'll start off.
The one is for sure a female with a few hairs popping here and there:D
The other of the shorter ones has settled with balls:(

Transplanted the girl tonight, need to take a clone, get some growth on her and put into flower. That will be the subject of the next journal for me

cAtch yA thEn
:cool:

CylonBud

07-15-2008, 06:25 AM

Shadows

07-15-2008, 07:50 AM

Yeah take a clone of the lady so you know you have a few females. I love clones for that and that they grow so fast once they root. I hate waiting for seedlings to show their sex only to find a male has wasted so much time and resources. :mad:

You know it bro. I'll take that cut tonight and hope that in 2-3 weeks, the donor will be ready to flower.

I tell ya, I feel like a fool, not veggin under the 400w hps right now, but the timer for it is not easy access and 24/0 is not an option considering the heat produced. The circuline really needs to be removed tho, so I can bumb veg from 30w up to ~86w. Then the wait wont be so bad:rolleyes:

mac

07-31-2008, 07:27 PM

one question I haven't seen asked. do you put lids on or do they remain open all the time?

Mr Burns

08-01-2008, 04:54 AM

Where's ND :shrug: Hows the plants?

Damn it wake up man :)

tripps

08-01-2008, 05:23 AM

Haven't seen him in the other spots he posts, either. Hopefully he's OK, just busy.

Shadows

08-01-2008, 12:10 PM

Hey guys, Im still here and well, just not getting out to the forums like I'd like to.

Mac, I havn't tried putting lids on them and dont see the purpose in it. I want to water every 2 days as it seems I get consistent growth that way, so any evaporation loss (even tho its already low) is to my advantage.

Didnt post much on these, but of that second set of 3 seeds I popped, 1 went male and is mulch, 1 is undertermined and this one, is a girl :D
http://www.homegrownbud.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=16604&stc=1&d=1217617878

She goes off to flower here in another 2 weeks, when the clones get big enough to do the same. They all gotta touch the top of veg first.

Flower cycle will be 3 plants 1 COB, 1 MOB and 1 WRx . Should be a nice haul for 3 sqft :)

Mr Burns

08-01-2008, 03:29 PM

He's alive!!!! :laugh: Not only that, he's got a girl :eek:

So what are you going to do with this girl ND :shrug: Any cloning?

Good to see you buddy :)

CylonBud

08-01-2008, 03:34 PM

Congrats on the female shadows! Now time for some buddage. :D

Foxy

08-02-2008, 01:57 PM

and this one, is a girl :D

Double :woohoo:

looking forward to the grow n' show buddy... ;)

Shadows

08-07-2008, 07:15 AM

Hey guys, thanks for hangin with me here. Times have been tough and I've really put myself through the ringer lately. Stressed does not begin to describe how I've been on the inside the past few months. Really taking its toll, to the point of loosing 16lbs in the past 3 months. Its not much, but Im 6' tall and weighed 190 before all this, so its a lot off my frame. The plants are showing that I've been feeding them this stress too. Maybe not in liquid form like my avator, but in the lack of attention they've received due to it. Dunno, really strugglin to find my center once more. Sorry, dont mean to dump this on yall, or to seem like Im just screaming for attention. I've gotta vent some how and am having a hard time getting any one close to me to listen, which is probably fueling the fires all the more....

Anyway, things taking a turn here and Im really tired of buying sub par weed. This shit lately, its like some one cured the weed with burning rubber, just a horrid taste and the buzz is well, if this was my impression of weed from the beginning I would not be smoking any more.:(

So heres the deal. Tonight, that one confirmed female gets a transplant into a 1 or 2 gallon pot (depends on what i come up with today). The one unconfirmed one does as well.
On Sunday night, both of them will go into flower. By then Flower should be spotless and ready to roll. I've still been slacking on my work in there, but times up and its gotta happen now.
Anyone along for the journey? Instead of starting a new journal, Im just going to keep updating this one since Im still Trying Hempies and this is the first flower run with them.

majestyk5

08-07-2008, 07:37 AM

i'm behind you bro. let the flowering commence.
sorry about the stress. good luck

CylonBud

08-07-2008, 01:21 PM

Hell ya I'm in along for the ride shadows. Flower away! :D Hope things improve for ya as well too. :smoke1:

Mr Burns

08-07-2008, 01:38 PM

Mahhhn ND. Wish I were closer cause I'd come round and show you how someone can REALLY piss you off :bananna: ;)

Glad you got the plant to fall back on cause it sounds like that rubber weed is some seriously bad shit.

Give us some pics of the uplant when you get it done buddy 2thumbs

Shadows

08-11-2008, 08:03 AM

Now Burnsy, why oh why would ya wanna go and do something like that? You feel 1 wife and 4 kids are not sufficient enough to run ones nerves up a flagpole? Ohh ohh, please do come by :D, you may run fer da hills ya damn self :lol:
Its all good now, or at least getting there. Gotta find my stride else where and plants seems a good place to start.

With that, I bring you my first sacrifice to the world of Hempy buckets
COB1
http://www.homegrownbud.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=16747&stc=1&d=1218466696
I apologize for the fact she's under the screen already, but after transplants there was no room for her in Veg. BTW that is a 5qt bucket she is in. Considering how the transplant and flower happened the same day, there shouldnt be a huge root space issue. But anyway, she went into flower on Friday night and already has 2 tie downs on her.

She's not alone tho, I had 1 undermined baby still holding back on me. Well WTF I had one plant in flower why not 2, so her little sister went in. And yes, that is Little Sister, she did finally spit out some hairs. Little sister is NOT a desirable pheno at this time. She exhibits more sativa then I care for and no clones have been taken of her. I'll reveg if she's worth it.
http://www.homegrownbud.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=16748&stc=1&d=1218466696
Last picture is overall of the screen. We'll see how this looks in another 2 weeks :D

http://www.homegrownbud.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=16749&stc=1&d=1218466696

Foxy

08-11-2008, 10:14 AM

Shadows

08-11-2008, 11:03 AM

Of course we're all coming along ya' muppet!!!

I think the screen looks spot on if you've just put them into flower... If they double in size you'll have a lovely SCRoG with perfect lamp height. ;)

Nice work Fella.

2thumbs

Thank you Oh Foxy one :) , especially the mention on light height. I hope its in a good spot to promote some stretch below the screen while keeping them stocky above it. We shall soon see, and adjust accordingly.

Cant wait man. 9 more weeks and Im back off the streets, lol.

Foxy

08-11-2008, 03:17 PM

9 more weeks and Im back off the streets, lol.

What, you're a hooker?!? Jeez Dude, we're all hoping the next 9 weeks passes swiftly, without exchange of viruses or bacteria.. :D

Shadows, you dont have to put on the red light
Those days are over
You dont have to sell your body to the night
Shadows, you dont have to wear that dress tonight
Walk the streets for money
You dont care if its wrong or if its right

Shadows, you dont have to put on the red light
Shadows, you dont have to put on the red light
Put on the red light, put on the red light
Put on the red light, put on the red light
Put on the red light, oh

Don't turn the red light of till the trichs are at least 1/3rd amber though eh? 2thumbs

Shadows

08-12-2008, 07:12 AM

9 more weeks and Im back off the streets, lol.

What, you're a hooker?!? Jeez Dude, we're all hoping the next 9 weeks passes swiftly, without exchange of viruses or bacteria.. :D

I should have know, YOU'd know the lingo. Im trying to quit man, really, even going to weekly meetings, but few things fill the void.:D:o

Mr Burns

08-12-2008, 04:15 PM

And for those not following the red light theme:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qVlu9BkszOk

Bloody good to see you on a home run ND. Now put the lipstick down, and step into the grow :)

08-12-2008, 08:26 PM

hey shadows,

as always love your grows and look forward to the updates

grow on

Shadows

08-13-2008, 06:27 AM

Well, its 5 days flowering now for them and it looks like that 400 needs to go up another few inches :D, its a tad to intense for them coming from only 30w in veg. helluva jump in wattage there and the big COB is showing it. Her upper growth is turning pale and wrinkly, same crap I saw when I tried the 150 in veg but in flower I have the option of height (thank you screen!!!). Raising the bulb 3" tonight to see if they improve.

On a side note, veg lighting is also being upgraded. Best I'll be able to get in there is 66-80 watts, but it will have to be a smoother change over then present.

Make or brake, we're gonna ride this fugger out folks. Thanks for sittin in :D

Shadows

08-14-2008, 07:45 AM

They didnt look any worse last night but I still took the light up as high as I could and will move it down later if needed. A good friend pointed it out to me, same advice I've given 100 times, - Why didnt you start with the light as high as possible in the first place... ?DUH? sorted, lol...

Mr Burns

08-14-2008, 08:43 AM

A good friend pointed it out to me, same advice I've given 100 times, - Why didnt you start with the light as high as possible in the first place... ?DUH? sorted, lol...
I wouldn't have thought any of us are immune to missing the obvious :2cents:
So ND, I know I'm jumping the gun here but do you have any plans to replace these at harvest and keep the grow perpetual?
Don't know about you, but I find it awkward firing up a grow area after a break :erm:

Good to know they're making progress buddy. Your throat must feel like a GoodYear AT by now :rolleyes:

Shadows

08-19-2008, 06:08 AM

Not much to say at this point, the pictures do most of the talking. You can see where the missed feeding and light intensity has taken its toll. I fed her again lastnight and hopefully will see improvements tonight. Just need to get her color a bit better, but she does look better then last week!!.

You can also see how full the screen became after tying her back down. Considering I have 6 more days of training the screen should be looking pretty good when they go up.

Yeah Burnsy, the restart has been a bit odd feeling. Especially with the overhanging worry of "who knows". But so far man its gone off pretty well considering.
This grow will end up perpetual bro. I'll be putting 2 more plants in flower in 2.5 weeks. putting me at 4 week harvest cycles of 2 plants per cycle. Im hoping that 2 plants will pull down 1.5oz each or better, these first runs maybe not lol. That 3 oz may cover me for 4 weeks, lol...

Mr Burns

08-21-2008, 03:46 PM

tripps

08-21-2008, 04:36 PM

I'll be putting 2 more plants in flower in 2.5 weeks. putting me at 4 week harvest cycles of 2 plants per cycle...
One problem, double the trimming sessions :slap:

Each one half the work!

Shadows

08-22-2008, 06:19 AM

I'll be putting 2 more plants in flower in 2.5 weeks. putting me at 4 week harvest cycles of 2 plants per cycle...
I was thinking a similar thing ND. Splitting my room to even the harvests out :confused One problem, double the trimming sessions :slap:
I understand how it works for you though buddy.

Hows it lookin now? They must have had a spurt in the last few days :shrug:

Her growth spurt has been a real let down. I was expecting lots of movement through the screen but didn't get it. Buds are far enough along that Im not going to train any more. That is unless by some miracle she kicks in again. We're in the night of the 13th day.... damn I should have got another 6 out if her. Live and learn, its only a new strain.

Burns I originally was going to do this as a mono crop, fill with plants, flower and harvest 1 time, then do it all again. The problem with that is my veg area is not large enough to hold 4 5qt containers. 2s the best I can get, with some smaller pots around. That has pretty much dictated how this grow will have to go.

Mr Burns

08-22-2008, 08:15 AM

Shadows

08-22-2008, 08:37 AM

Each one half the work!
Twice as many trim sessions tripps regardless that the trimming would be split in half. I hate trimming like most people but once I'm set up with fluids, ciggies and a good radio station I'd rather see it through in one hit every 6-10 weeks than every 3-5 weeks!

True, I'd rather have a sit down session and go straight through all the trimming at once. But its just not going to happen. There's way to many restraints on growing here. My oldest son living with me goes to bed around 10 each night, I have to be in bed by 1130 if I want to hear the alarm clock in the morning. I like to allow 30 min after he goes to bed to do any closet work. So now its 1030, 30 min is all I have to apply to trimming. Hell sometimes it had taken 2 nights just cause I didnt have 30 min in 1. So the perpetual really fits into my lifestyle well.

Also, guestimatin that the one COB if pushed to her end properly could easily pull off 1.5 oz and the second one to get up to 1/2oz. So thats 2 oz I'd have to hold me off 4 weeks until the next 2-4oz came out of it:cool:. (oh none of that includes the plant that just went into flower a few days ago, its more of a "lets learn this lady" run) She is liking the light tho!!

I originally was going to do this as a mono crop, fill with plants, flower and harvest 1 time, then do it all again. The problem with that is my veg area is not large enough to hold 4 5qt containers. 2s the best I can get, with some smaller pots around. That has pretty much dictated how this grow will have to go.
I understand, but once you're on a roll and have some 'stock' to smoke maybe then you could go with straight runs :shrug:
I always hate the first grow when re-starting and for more reasons than I gave earlier. Getting dialled in, no bud, replacing out of date bottles $$ and trying to re-think what you did last time round :hmmmm:
Looking forward to see them moving forward for you Shadows :)

Maybe a straight run down the road tho man. I'd really like to have enough back log that I could switch the lightin in flower to 18/6 for a week to veg some into the screen then flip to 12/12. Im almost positive that setup could yield me 6-8 oz, but I gotta get there first. Still got to see how this one washes out. If I clear 2 oz this run I'll be happy, for a few days, lol.

Foxy

08-24-2008, 02:17 PM

Obviously you're there on the front line but 2oz sounds a bit of a low target dude?

Shadows

08-25-2008, 06:06 AM

Obviously you're there on the front line but 2oz sounds a bit of a low target dude?

Man, I hope you're right on that but they'd need a major kick into over drive to get there. Got a bunch of heads poking through the screen and I moved the light down 1" last night. Remember tho, this is a first run for me with all thats involved except the space. New strain, new light and new medium. Next cycle I'll hopefully see what she's made of.

It is worth mentioning that even now, at 17 days flowering there is a nice coating of crystals showing up on her. Even the larger fans are showing signs of crystals. Pictures coming soon, soon as I take some :D

Shadows

08-26-2008, 06:09 AM

And the latest, 18 days of flower... Heres how the screen looks
http://www.homegrownbud.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=17129&stc=1&d=1219755983
Sorry for the lack of attention to it Hazewarrior, I was apparently due a mental break down last week, and got it and then some. The screen could surely be in better shape, but this strain is playing games with me. She stretched, put on some early budset then stretched some more. Looks like shes done now but my last ties were too late in the game. Was really hoping for a few days more, but ho well :).

On the upside, crystal coverage is looking real good for 18 days in :D:D
http://www.homegrownbud.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=17130&stc=1&d=1219755983
http://www.homegrownbud.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=17131&stc=1&d=1219755983
http://www.homegrownbud.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=17132&stc=1&d=1219755983

Shadows

09-02-2008, 06:09 AM

Damn, good thing I took a second look at those last pictures, the screen is looking much better now with all the white tops poking up through it. Will have to give yall you're picture fix tonight or tomorrow, depends on when I can get the pictures adjusted.

The whole 400w density thing concerns me a bit tho. If this were a 250w grow, I'd say looks to be 1.5 oz total coming off these 2 ladies. This 400, and me going 8-9 weeks flower, will hopefully push me over 3oz, but not likely.

CylonBud

09-02-2008, 10:23 AM

They look real good Shadows. Looks like 1.5 to 3.0oz of some real nice toke anyway you look at it. :D

Foxy

09-02-2008, 05:46 PM

I'm gonna stick my neck out Mate, if you're only 3 weeks in to a 9 week flower (18 days from the pics above) then you've gotta pile over 3 oz surely? :shrug:

We'll know better from the pics you post later. :)

Shadows

09-03-2008, 05:43 AM

Ohhhh, easy there Mr Giraffe :) , this last set of pics shows hope and if they get a good swell, its possible, but bro all I know is a 250 bud and these aren't too far off from that.
Hmm wonder if I can drop the light more yet:cool:

heres some screen update shots
http://www.homegrownbud.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=17397&stc=1&d=1220445964

Shadows

09-03-2008, 05:56 AM

A close up of one of the buds on the right (COB1)

http://www.homegrownbud.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=17400&stc=1&d=1220446549

A close up of one of the buds on the left (COB2)

http://www.homegrownbud.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=17401&stc=1&d=1220446549

COB1's resin is so sticky, especially compared to COB2. My fingers would 'snap' apart once pushed together, I mean you'd hear the "snap'. Where as with COB2, it was just a slight pull.
The aroma of the 2 is almost identical now, the buds have a very strong citrus aroma, lemony to a point and thats it. no underlying skunk or pine, just citrus. Cant wait!!

CylonBud

09-03-2008, 07:55 AM

COB1's resin is so sticky, especially compared to COB2. My fingers would 'snap' apart once pushed together, I mean you'd hear the "snap'. Where as with COB2, it was just a slight pull.
The aroma of the 2 is almost identical now, the buds have a very strong citrus aroma, lemony to a point and thats it. no underlying skunk or pine, just citrus. Cant wait!!

These look and sound delicious Shadow. I too am thinking greater the 3.0 oz too but you know 'em better than me. :cool:

Shadows

09-04-2008, 08:40 AM

Thanks Cylon, they are just sucking up the nutes right now and building flowers pretty quick. I sooooooo hope my estimate is way the hell off, lol. For 2 reasons actually.
1) it will be nice to have surplus and to have some go through 3 weeks or more of cure
2) thanks to how I trained to the screen, it really does not leave much room for the next plant to go in. So after these are chopped, I've got 8-9 more weeks til the next harvest.

On the plus side of that, lol...., the next plant to go into flower is already big enough to do so. Actually, she just got a second clipping last night, to prevent overgrowing veg. When flower starts, I'll have one helluva bush, hee;)

CylonBud

09-04-2008, 12:03 PM

Cool Shadow it sounds like you have a more or less continuous grow with a little bit of wait in between harvests. That's a very cool thing indeed. :mmmm: Nothing like good bud all the time! :D

Mr Burns

09-04-2008, 01:08 PM

he next plant to go into flower is already big enough to do so. Actually, she just got a second clipping last night, to prevent overgrowing veg. When flower starts, I'll have one helluva bush, hee;)

That's gotta be the perfect scenario having a vegged plant on stand by ready for 12/12 :gthumb:

Looking good buddy. I bet you're happy to see some smoke on the horizon :)

Shadows

09-08-2008, 09:18 AM

Cylon, bro Im hoping it stays continuous. I despise being out of bud :D

Burnsey, Im feeling pretty comfortable right now with the cycle. Even more so when you consider that veg just went from 30w of warm light to 69 watts of daylight, blue.

Speakin of the lighting change, what an improvement in 12 hours. :D. New growth coming in looks much more lush and is coming in noticeably quicker. This should remedy the issue I saw with the COBs that are in flower now. Not sure if you recall but I had to raise the light initially because it was to intense for plants to go right under. Well now the 400 in flower is back to where it started and the plants are just eating it up.

The screen is looking awesome. All the little white heads above it are starting to cluster up and with 4 weeks to go this strain is starting to impress. The only concern I have is bud density, right now the buds dont have that rock feeling so they probably wont carry much weight, but you know I just love being wrong about this stuff, lol.

Shadows

09-09-2008, 06:32 AM

This post is just for the screen. Coming along pretty well...

You can just see in the overall pics that the inner part of the right side is getting more and more yellow, and a few purple stems popping up. Not looking bad, the buds arent suffering yet anyway, but its unneeded stress on the plants. Not sure what is the cause here, I just fed the night before but the 2 waterings before that were just water. So either I went toxic with a 1/2 dose feeding or they went hungry and Im seeing late effects. Last possibility is the PH, but I've no way to check it...:o

Solution, tonight Im flushing the pots with warm water. Logic behind it, if its PH then its an issue of build up because these nutes have been used for 3 months on this grow with no ph'ing at all, and no ph issues to date. A good flush and back to clean nutes in the res, I should see an improvement. If not, then I was either already burning them, or I really need a PH pen, lol...

This last shot shows a benefit of SCRog. Those 4 buds are all on the same main stem and instead of opposing sides fighting for light, they're all on top soaking it up.

Shadows

09-09-2008, 06:35 AM

ehhh, whats one more post

when its about Budshots :D

These are all of the COB

(BTW, this COB is actually COB x SD , or California Orange Bud X Sour Diesel;))

CylonBud

09-09-2008, 06:53 AM

The buds look pretty good Shadows and the strains sound real tasty. Hopefully you flush and fresh nutes does the trick. Good luck man. :D

Shadows

09-10-2008, 06:48 AM

Thanks Cylon, unfortunately I come back with good and bad news today....

The Bad news, I've been aware since day one that these ladies would have hermie tendencies. Because of that I've been going over COB1 (my early favorite) nightly looking for signs and to this date, still nothing. COB2 however, I've only been checking on occasionally the last being a week ago.. Well the fine tooth comb revealed 1 nanner and then a second. Some how, as if it were divine intervention, my snips jumped up cutting COB2 2" up from the soil line... Im SOoossooo glad it did because after chopping I got a better look at below the canopy and, I may be screwed already... Lots of nanners down there.

The good news to all of this is that in 4-5 days, I'll have some dry bud to smoke:D. I am a little disappointed tho, the plan for COB2 was to be chopped 1 week before #1 so it would be dry for smoking while #1 was drying. Not gonna happen, but again at least I got some smoke, lol.

WRx gets potted up tonight, she now has room in flower and will be in there Sunday night.

Foxy

09-10-2008, 06:52 AM

Shadows

09-10-2008, 07:08 AM

My guess is a little bit of over-feeding ND, along with too long at one end of the pH range, again a guess, but I'd say at the too high end. :)

That would explain them yellowing up but the buds still growing well. ;)

But fella, you've loads more experience than me, so it's just an opinion. 2thumbs

Hey Foxy one, thank for poppin in man. Run off lastnight was less then 300ppm before subtracting the 85ppm for my tap water. This was after a feeding the night before of 580ppm. They're eating still and takin a bit BUT this is after what would work out to be 5 days with no food. Im thinking you're right, I burned her early last week, then starved her through now. Im even getting purple fan leaves and twisted leaves coming out the buds, She is starving now and the P and Ca need to go UP these next 2 weeks.

Really wish I could do something on that PH deal. Theres a HUGE chance that could be the issue as well Im just hoping like hell it aint, lol... why? well damn if I gotta start checking and adjusting the PH every time I water it just takes the simplicity out of the grow. I really love just being able to do my work and move on. Can sit and stare for 10 min if I want, but I love that all my work watering and such can be knocked out in less then 5 minutes. Seriously, Im a lazy ass now and I know soil is simple and gives me good results. If needed, I'll probably go back to soil growing before dropping the change for proper PH gear.

Foxy

09-10-2008, 07:29 AM

Just for my info Bro, and you're the best person to ask, ;) is one of the attractions of this hempy bucket method meant to be that you don't need to check and adjust the pH? :shrug:

I use Autopots to keep my Mums in, which are basically just bottom-fed pots of coco, perlite and clay balls and I have to still adjust the pH... :confused I also have to flush them through with tepid water every week. :shrug:

I know you're not a lazy fella mate so don't worry, once you get into the swing it only takes seconds to adjust your water pH, 'cause through repetition you'll get to know in advance how much pH down is needed. I dunno what you did for your bubbler grow bro, or if it's the same as soil but it's additives first, then add your nutes to reach your desired EC, then pH adjust. 2thumbs

Shadows

09-10-2008, 08:38 AM

Just for my info Bro, and you're the best person to ask, is one of the attractions of this hempy bucket method meant to be that you don't need to check and adjust the pH?

Yes, no?? lol... I'll tell ya like this bro, I've always grown soil and made a few attempts here and there at the hydro. Never had any luck with hydro for various reasons (mostly all compounding at once) and soil has always treated me well. When I was turned on to Hempys, I got to thinking it is a lot like how I was growing, however my inert media was old old soil with no nutrient value. So, initially I was trying this as an alternative to what I was doing. After 4 weeks of veg and no PH adjusting or issues, it became a "If it can stay like this, I can stay like this" mostly because I never saw Ph issues in soil with the same nutes. So my issue with the Ph adjusting is 2 fold, 1 I dont want to have to do it and 2 I dont own the proper equipment to do so.

I use Autopots to keep my Mums in, which are basically just bottom-fed pots of coco, perlite and clay balls and I have to still adjust the pH... I also have to flush them through with tepid water every week.

Hmmm, this COB1 has been in this pot since it went into flower, so its been there for 33 days and up til recent did not see any of what i'd consider a flush. There was a few times of watering to excessive run off, but I'd think in this medium it'd take atleast 2 gallons of water to flush it clean.

I know you're not a lazy fella mate so don't worry, once you get into the swing it only takes seconds to adjust your water pH, 'cause through repetition you'll get to know in advance how much pH down is needed. I dunno what you did for your bubbler grow bro, or if it's the same as soil but it's additives first, then add your nutes to reach your desired EC, then pH adjust.

Same thing with the bubblers. When I tried them I knew I needed hydro nutrients but money was tight, so I followed all the hype and purchased Pure Blend Pro hydro nutes because they were supposed to be worry free. Well they wernt for me and have been sitting for a while now, lol.. but the bubblers were doomed to failure with 80 deg res temps, lol..

CylonBud

09-10-2008, 09:17 AM

Worst case scenario Shadow go with what ya know. If soil is easy breezy for you and fits your budget then go with it and you be happiest I think. Soil has worked well for millions of years too. :D

Shadows

09-11-2008, 06:29 AM

This first picture here has been known to send growers screaming in anger and disbelief. Its caused entire crops to be chopped and turned some of the kindest bud into schwag.
:mad::cry:
http://www.homegrownbud.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=17603&stc=1&d=1221139452

Pictures 2 and 3 go together, sorta
#2 gives a good shot of what is above the screen off COB1
#3 shows just how many branches it takes to make all of that using SCRoG ( 6 branches)
So, if you've asked "Is scrog worth it?" If your limited on space, Yes it works like a champ!

You'll also see where I needed to remove some dead leaves, those were pulled after the picture but I wasnt taking more. (there's the lazy, lol)

Last shot is just what everyone should walk away from the grow with
:cool::D
http://www.homegrownbud.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=17606&stc=1&d=1221139452

CylonBud

09-11-2008, 07:58 AM

That sucks ass Shadows. I hate hermies. I know few who have chopped whole crops because of them. :mad: Hopefully the bud is still a decent smoke. :cool:

Shadows

09-11-2008, 08:28 AM

Hey Cylon bro, Im already willing to put this COB2 smoke up against anything I could buy in my area right now. Nothing but schwag as far as the eye can see. This has GOT to atleast taste better, lol

Foxy

09-11-2008, 11:24 AM

Sorry to hear about the hermie Buddy. :( But looka like you caught it in time. ;)

Hmmm, this COB1 has been in this pot since it went into flower, so its been there for 33 days and up til recent did not see any of what i'd consider a flush. There was a few times of watering to excessive run off, but I'd think in this medium it'd take atleast 2 gallons of water to flush it clean.

Sorry matey, I think I steered you the wrong way, lots of people do a whole grow in autopots from start to finish without flushing. I was trying to say that the only reason I need to flush them is because their my Mums so will be sat in the same medium for months and months...

Don't get me wrong mate, I have no personal or emotional attraction to hydro in particular and want you to go with whatever makes you happy ;) , I just think that with your huge knowledge you're only a gnats willy away from flying with it, and therefore loving it. :D But you're completely right, you need the right tools. 2thumbs

Dawg

09-11-2008, 01:30 PM

sorry to see ya got a :bananna: in the grow...the bastad.
other's look great tho... :mmmm:

Shadows

09-12-2008, 06:28 AM

Foxy, I appreciate your help man and thanks for clarifying on the mums. Im really feeling like a dumb ass today tho man, REALLY!!! Tuesday, after being all out of sorts about burning them, I got in there and started staring everywhere. The Purple-ing was progressing even with the mild feeding, upper leafs were starting to fade more and a few more tips were browning out. WTH?? Mild feeding should have slowed those down more then that unless that mild feeding wasnt enough.... Anyway, fast forward to last night after she got a full strength feeding the night before and OMG what an improvement :eek::D:D. Not a huge amount of growth but a definite change that was above what she was doing.
So, with the bone head move behind me - yea all that thought of burning them because of tip burn, well the tips were being cannibalized not burned - its time to once again change things up.

Tonight, step one is set up a new grow log book. Enough to write down, plant, date, water or feeding and amount of feeding or addatives (being nothing more then calcium and Mg suppliments).
Step 2 is to put that log some where that I'll use the fucker!! lol.