NFT - 3.6KW - 6X Trainwreck - 6X Jacky White

[Mr Burns]

Howdy folks :hello:
Great to see more growers in both soil and wet mediums, with an Ebb & Flow to boot! You gotta love the principle of E&F and had I room I'd like to give it a run myself.

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So here is what's cookin:

4 x Nutriculture 901 tanks/trays connected in a loop with:
1 x Remote res bringing total fluid content to 400 litres apx.
6 x 600W Grolux full spectrum lamps mounted under 2x 'adjusta wings' & 4x 'adjusta shades' with all adjustable wires removed and replaced with rigid 2.5mm copper wire.
Nutrients are Canna Aqua A&B as always :)
12inch/315mm extraction through a 'Mountain Air' carbon filter rated 2300m3/hr.
2 x 16inch room fans.

Strains:
6x 'Jacky White'from Paradise seeds. Clone stock. (outside 2 trays)
6x feminized Trainwreck from Arjan or 'Greehouse seeds'. (inner 2 trays)

First pic indicates just over 4 weeks growth.

[CB]

hoi burnsy, tiss good to see you back in action :D

look forward to watching and learning.

:pass:

[Dawg]

Lookin good, I'm Gonna enjoy watching a hydro grow. :D

[majestyk5]

nice to see ya. read your stuff. very good. glad to see ya back on here.
sounds like a nice set up:)

[Mr Burns]

hoi burnsy, tiss good to see you back in action :D

look forward to watching and learning.

:pass:
Good to see you agin too CB :gthumb: Burnsy looks around I can sense the air of peace once again :hippy:
Thanks for keeping things alive Cheap 2thumbs

Lookin good, I'm Gonna enjoy watching a hydro grow. :D
Good to see you again Dawg. 3 weeks into flower it should be a nice short buddage show 2thumbs

nice to see ya. read your stuff. very good. glad to see ya back on here.
sounds like a nice set up:)
I'm pleased too majestyk and thank you for the kind words. :gthumb:

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Major flush tonight. Probably going to PK13/14 but I will be adding Regeneroot :gthumb:

[becky420]

:peaceman:2thumbs2thumbs
welcome back stranger!

[Mr Burns]

welcome back stranger!

becky How the develish are you (dare I say it) Sweetie :D
You lovely people have me feeling I should have been a regular participant from the outset :shuby:

I hope all is well up there Becky and what should be green is 2thumbs

I never got to flush tonight. Too much paperwork to catch up on :mad:

Grow on...

[CB]

googled up the jacky white but didn't see a family tree on it and was wonder'n if it is a member of the white pheno (used white in the name) or related to? like K2

from there site
Jacky White ‘s hardiness, high yield, fast finish, and striking profile are appreciated characteristics. This mostly Sativa hybrid is also notable for her stability, with only slight variations between individual plants.

Outdoors, Jacky White likes a moderate to sunny climate. She likes to branch, so the garden setup that optimizes yield on these plants would allow a bit more space for the side branches to fully develop. Pruning or bending to increase yield works well with this strain.

Jacky White smells like a grapefruit tree all through her flowering period, which finishes in 60 days at most, with an abundance of chunky colas glittering and luminescent with resin. Her indoor harvest is impressive - up to 600g per square meter under a 600-watt high-pressure sodium light. Outside harvests are predictably larger.

Jacky White’s growing style is Sativa-like, with a note of good Indica qualities (ease, hardiness, fast finish); likewise, her stone is Sativa-like with a hint of Indica to take off Sativa’s speedy edge. She offers a clear, mind-lofting cerebral high accompanied by a pleasant body buzz, with an enduring effect. The rich haze-citrus taste will have tokers reloading their bongs anyway.

Type:
Sativa/Indica (75/25)

Flowering time:
60 days indoors. Outdoors, middle of October (n.L.)

Yield:
500+ grams per m2 indoors. Outdoors 600+ grams per plant

Environment:
Indoors. Outdoors between 50º n.L. and 50º s.L.

Effect /Buzz:
Soft cerebral pleasant

Smell/Taste:
Grapefruit

THC:
15-18%

but don't see info on geno/pheno.... look'n forward to info on it as well as how it grow's/smokes

peace

[gorilla]

wow! They look awesome. good job, i can't wait to see more.

-gorilla

[CylonBud]

Jacky White ‘s hardiness, high yield, fast finish, and striking profile are appreciated characteristics. This mostly Sativa hybrid is also notable for her stability, with only slight variations between individual plants.

Outdoors, Jacky White likes a moderate to sunny climate. She likes to branch, so the garden setup that optimizes yield on these plants would allow a bit more space for the side branches to fully develop. Pruning or bending to increase yield works well with this strain.

Jacky White smells like a grapefruit tree all through her flowering period, which finishes in 60 days at most, with an abundance of chunky colas glittering and luminescent with resin. Her indoor harvest is impressive - up to 600g per square meter under a 600-watt high-pressure sodium light. Outside harvests are predictably larger.

Jacky White’s growing style is Sativa-like, with a note of good Indica qualities (ease, hardiness, fast finish); likewise, her stone is Sativa-like with a hint of Indica to take off Sativa’s speedy edge. She offers a clear, mind-lofting cerebral high accompanied by a pleasant body buzz, with an enduring effect. The rich haze-citrus taste will have tokers reloading their bongs anyway.

Type:
Sativa/Indica (75/25)

Flowering time:
60 days indoors. Outdoors, middle of October (n.L.)

Yield:
500+ grams per m2 indoors. Outdoors 600+ grams per plant

Environment:
Indoors. Outdoors between 50º n.L. and 50º s.L.

Effect /Buzz:
Soft cerebral pleasant

Smell/Taste:
Grapefruit

THC:
15-18%

Sounds pretty good to me.:D

[Cranky]

fucking great to see yas about again burnsy;)

grows looking great mate.

hope alls well with you n yours;)

cranks

[Mr Burns]

googled up the jacky white but didn't see a family tree on it and was wonder'n if it is a member of the white pheno (used white in the name) or related to? like K2
I'd say you're correct CB and that something in them originates from the 'white' stock. It'd be easy to look at the white in the name and make a conclusion but looking at past buds I've produced I'd say they're very similar up top, if not near identical.
Paradise themselves won't divulge in breeding which I personally believe is due to the amount of generic or 'copy cat' strains. ie:cannabisseeds dot com :(
I'll add a pic of the last run showing what I mean and I'm sure you'd agree ;)

I ripped this piece from puresativa (http://www.puresativa.com/article.php?aid=81) regarding breed and growth rep.

Jacky White - Fine offspring of a new feminised generation

Last year, Paradise Seeds started engaging in feminised seeds, offering classic Paradise strains such as Sensi Star, Dutch Dragon, Nebula or Sheherazade also as feminised versions. In additon, in the very near future they will release some totally new and feminised strains, probably already available on the market by the time this article is published. One of these strains is Jacky White, a most promising offspring of Paradise Seeds` new generation of seeds.

Another new feminised strain soon to be released is Opium, Paradise Seeds` sativa runner-up at the recent High Times Cannabis Cup. But it was the Jacky White strain - another mostly sativa - that Mr. Power-Planter recently cultivated in his test grow facility. Of course he was curious about the potential of the new Paradise Seeds genetics themselves, but also wanted to get an impression of Paradise Seeds` abilities in terms of female seed breeding. To Mr. Power-Planter`s disappointment, it proved to be impossible to worm the Jacky White pedigree secret out of Luc, the breeder of Paradise Seeds, he would reveal not even a tithe of. Well, maybe time will tell more…

Seven Jacky White seeds were sown, all of them sprouting without any problems. The seedlings were put into 6 litre pots filled with Plagron Royalty Mix and placed under a MaxGrow 180 watts Dual Spectrum CFL, being exposed to a daily light cycle of 18 hours. They spent three weeks in the vegetative stage, growing healthy and homogenously. Then Mr. Power-Planter induced flowering by switching the light cycle to 12 hours per day, replacing the CFL by an Osram NAV-T 600 watts lamp. Within 7-9 days, by forming small preflowers at the main stem, all of the Jacky White plants exhibited their gender – which was overall female, indeed. The plants had developed relatively strong side-branching and kept on stretching a lot in the course of flowering, a behaviour that indicated a good deal of sativa genetics. That stretching behaviour led to fairly wide internodes, but the very compact, dense and roundish structure and size of the Jacky White buds could compensate for this. However, Mr. Power-Planter didn`t put the strong stretching effect down to Jacky White`s genetics, but rather supposed that it was due to the fact that he was inexperienced with the new BioCanna BioVega and BioFlores fertilizers (both having low nutrient formulations of respectively 3.5-1.0-5.5 and 2.5-2-5 N-P-K) he used, because the plants also started to yellow much earlier than usual. It was obvious that Mr. Power-Planter should have used a higher concentration than stated on the fertilizer bottles. I know several other growers who have gained similar experience with the BioCanna fertilizers, with their plants exhibiting deficiency symptoms when receiving the standard BioCanna fertilizer concentration. Luc also supposed a nutrition problem, underlining that Jacky White normally forms long, uninterrupted fat buds.

The calyx-to-leaf ratio was quite high with most of the plants. They produced more and more resin in the course of flowering and in the end really lived up to the expectations raised by their strain name Jacky White, exhibiting thick white layers of resin. The aroma of the Jacky White plants was quite a surprise, giving off an incredibly strong and delicious grapefruit scent that much reminded me of Soma`s NYC Diesel. But Luc negated any relationship to the Diesel. The seven Jacky White strains kept the promise of reliable femaleness until the end of the cultivation cylce, not showing the slightest hint of male flowers. After 61 days of flowering, Mr. Power-Planter harvested all of the plants, although only three were fully ripe, the other four would have needed another week or so, a little bit later than stated by Paradise Seeds (60 days). But that difference was only marginal and Mr. Power-Planter had to empty his room because of a narrow time schedule. With end heights of 83, 89, 99, 101, 101, 104 and 105 cm, the uniformity of the seven Jacky White plants was very satisfying, confirming Paradise Seeds`description “this mostly sativa hybrid is also notable for her stability, with only slight variations between individual plants”.

Five plants delivered between 33 and 38 dry grams of finest sinsemilla, the yield of the other two (the shortest plants) was just below 30 grams – on the whole, for plants grown from seed, the harvest was clearly above average. According to Paradise Seeds, under optimum conditions even 600 grams per m2 are possible with Jacky White. They also say that pruning or bending to increase yield works well with this strain. When it came to test smoking, we were highly delighted by the strong and fresh sativa turn of the Jacky White buds. The intense citrous taste rushed into our mouth and, just as fresh and highly energising, the THC molecules took possession of our brain twists. After a while, however, that soaring sativa high changed into a more stoney high.

Mr. Power-Planter was well pleased by his fruitful Jacky White grow. He highly appreciated the fact that all of the seven plants turned out to be 100% female and was taken with the nice Jacky White citrous flavour and high. Well, of course this feminised strain will have to stand the test in many more grow room scenarios in order to be considered fully reliable in terms of overall femaleness. Judging from Mr. Power-Planter`s test grow, however, Jacky White seems to face a bright future as a worthwhile feminised cannabis strain. The more so as it can also be successfully grown outdoors in a moderate to sunny climate, ripening by mid October.

Green Born Identity – G.B.I.

It mentions long inter nodal stretch which I've not experienced myself. Whether its because I use cool blue at 250W from seed/clone till hitting the trays is most likely, but even under full spectrum HIDs I find the inter nodal spacing tight.
If you look at the pics earlier in this thread you'll see the enormous inter nodal stretch on the Trainwrecks compared to the Jacky whites and even though the Trainwreck had one less topping than the jackies this wouldn't explain the extra stretch IMO.

I know this strain has been (and may still be) used commercially because of its versatility of being able to cope with all growing styles, and hence why I gave it a shot :)

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Pictures show the 'Jacky White' tops with Power Plants in the back ground.

Harvest picture 4 shows a typical (to me) Jacky White hanging like an upturned Xmas tree top right in full view.
Note the inter nodal spacing compared to the 'stretchy' power plants in the back ground ;)

[Mr Burns]

fucking great to see yas about again burnsy;)

grows looking great mate.

hope alls well with you n yours;)

cranks
:slap: One more refresh constructing my post and I'd have caught you me ole mucker.
How the didly are you me ole Cranks? Funny how some peoples usernames crop up in the mind time and time again. Whenever I see the words 'cuttings' or 'clones' Cranky comes to mind. You'll be in the bloody Oxford dictionary next and rightly so :gthumb:

I've some catching up to do with what you and others have been up to but last I read you were having a wee problem with young growth. I can only imagine you've moved on from that episode Cranks and I'll be catching up in due course.

Good to see you again and I'm looking forward to seeing what ladies you've been rearing (can I say that in this day and age :p ) with them green fingers (its getting worse!) of yours 2thumbs

Cheers Cranks.

[Cranky]

haha,ya bro,2 years of probs,shit soils and a dodgey ph metre was me prob...new gaff now though and new pen and new soil and alls good,well apart from having some building work done which is holding the grow back but apart from that alls well mate.

like i say mate....great to see yas about again!

cranks

[CB]

I'd say you're correct CB and that something in them originates from the 'white' stock. It'd be easy to look at the white in the name and make a conclusion but looking at past buds I've produced I'd say they're very similar up top, if not near identical.


yep first thing I noticed from the pics... look's like part of the 'white' geno and not just related.... classic look'n main's for that family.... thought white Russian at first:)

grow on and thanks for the info

[tripps]

Burnsy, old bean, great thread as always. When I saw the title, I didn't even have to look for your name. :lol: Nice place here, I reckon I got enuf Limey blood in me veins to hang about.

[Shadows]

Whats up Burnsey? Good to see you are still around man.

Now, bring on the buds, bud

NDS

[Mr Burns]

Nice place here, I reckon I got enuf Limey blood in me veins to hang about.
Its difficult to say how laid back the site is without sounding like I'm dissing some dishonourable people out there :confused You are no fool tripps so I'll stop there bud :hippy:

Whats up Burnsey? Good to see you are still around man.

Now, bring on the buds, bud

NDS
Ahhhh ND. I'll tell you this, I find it strange to be bantering back and forth with people I consider worthy, even if some I've not known well. To be posting without idle banter and useless 'big you ups' is something special indeed.
Thanks for the kind words ND. Buds are a comin :hippy:

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Latest:

PH I had a little battle with. When I flushed I had to add far more PH down than normal. Over the 400litres I normally add around 25ml, but this time round it was nearer 60! It may be me sometimes forgetting to shake the PH sometimes before I use it, which I imagine could have me taking different concentrates from start to finish of the bottles use. The next flush will tell beginning of next week.

PH is still at an EC of 1.0-1.1. The trainwrecks are showing lighter coloured lower leaves showing they're more nute hungry than the Jackies but I'm not concerned over this, it just means I'll have less of a problem getting those to mature off.
I've also noticed and you will too by the pictures, that trainwrecks need serious topping to keep them low. The jackies after a 2 & 3 x top in either tank are carpets of bud, but the trainwrecks are shooting colas. This has given shade heights a little of a balancing act for the outside two rigs as they sit between trays of differing strains but no worries, I'll be in there with some string to tie the TR cola's past the shades lowering towards the Jackies.

With roughly 5 weeks to go till harvest I'll try and take you through the grow space in pictures. There are two doors but I'll start left to right going over the 4 tanks.

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Through the first door and looking left over the first tank of Jackies and pair of 600s. TRs can be seen broaching the picture from the right and the second tank.

http://www.homegrownbud.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=15379&stc=1&d=1212068968

Second tank showing the Trainwrecks and both first and second pair of 600s. (The plants look thinner than they are!)

http://www.homegrownbud.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=15380&stc=1&d=1212068968

Still the first door but looking right towards the 3rd Tank and more Trainwrecks.

http://www.homegrownbud.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=15381&stc=1&d=1212068968

Now through the second door and directly in front of the tank taken in the previous shot. Trainwrecks. Second and 3rd rig of 600s can be seen.

http://www.homegrownbud.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=15382&stc=1&d=1212068968

Second door again showing the Trainwreck cola's shooting past the shades. These are what I'll be stringing back so they're not rubbing on the shades and so I can get this rig of shades lower to the Jackies in tank 4.

http://www.homegrownbud.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=15383&stc=1&d=1212068968

Hopefully that will give a better perspective of the space were all looking at. I'll add pictures of the remote res set up in the next few hours.

Grow on peeps :hippy:

[becky420]

those are SOME AWESOME PICS!!

[CylonBud]

Mr Burns great looking grow and set up you have there. The plants look like their well on their way to making you very happy.:D

[icarus]

those definitely ARE awesome! lookin great mr burns! thanks for sharing, i'm watchin :D

[Mr Burns]

those are SOME AWESOME PICS!!
Thank you Becky. I try my best but I really could do with acamera that does wide angle. The pictures never quite emulate the room which I'm sure were all used to.
The pics don't disappoint though :2cents:

Mr Burns great looking grow and set up you have there. The plants look like their well on their way to making you very happy.:D
Either happy or very lethargic Cylon :D Whichever way I'll be glad I never paid extortionate prices for street Skunk Shwag :D

those definitely ARE awesome! lookin great mr burns! thanks for sharing, i'm watchin :D
Good to see you icarus :gthumb: 5 weeks to go so hopefully things will only get sweeter.
Thanks for the kind words buddy :)

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I was a tad disappointed the PH rose again to 6.3 during lights on but I calmed things down with even more PH.
EC remains the same but I may go for an early flush in the next two days and see what happens with the PH solution without any nutrients. If it takes the abnormal amount of PH down to get the desired effect again I'll be getting a new supply.

Thank you all for the kind words. Here's a few pics at lights off with 5 weeks to go.

Grow karma to all...... :gthumb:

http://www.homegrownbud.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=15385&stc=1&d=1212097534

http://www.homegrownbud.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=15386&stc=1&d=1212097534

http://www.homegrownbud.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=15387&stc=1&d=1212097534

[CylonBud]

The trichs look real sweet on those too. :D

[Mr Burns]

The trichs look real sweet on those too. :D
I'll tell you this Cylon, them TrainWrecks are the stickyest I've played with yet. I just strung one back after it started to lean and the string was sticking to my fingers whilst tie-ing a knot. They never taught us that in sea scouts :p

Still with 4.5 weeks to go :drool:

[HATCH]

WOW!!! What a Set-Up:eek:

Great Looking Garden, Your Plant's are Picture Perfect!!!

[CylonBud]

Still with 4.5 weeks to go :drool:

This is where the P tool comes into play. It must be killing ya to have to wait 4.5 weeks. But I'm sure the payoff will be well worth it in your smoke.:rastab::smoke1:

[Mr Burns]

Thanks people. P is indeed the order of the day and the buds have responded. One of the Train Wrecks has bud so hard I could chop it now, but seeing how it's only just started to ripen without a flush period I'll go the distance :)
I'm not sure where the fuck up was with timing or if a fuck up has happened, but they haven't got 4 weeks left in them. I'm gonna flush this weekend and run on straight water until the chop, which I imagine will be after 12 days of flush at a guess, so 17 days till harvest at a semi educated guess :)

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Pictures show the taller Train Wrecks which even topped stretch too much for what I was trying to achieve. The leaf to calyx ratio is too high in my eyes.
Other pictures with 'carpet bud' are the Jacky Whites and more to my liking both topped and un topped. What I really like about the Jacky Whites is once a stem starts producing bud at a cola it continues. No gaps of stemmy shit like Train Wrecks, just dense bud.

I noticed today that the outdoor new strain has re-vegged under near mid-summer skies so it looks like another grow with a new strain but clones, which I far prefer to seed grows. I just need to make a clone cab this week (broke last one down in grow work area for bigger extraction) and then I can get the cloner in and site some 125W Flo's.
Next grow is supposed to be a killer strain bud wise and yield but with a cross from some older personal seed x stock ;)

Enjoy the pics. There's some leaf burn which is to be expected this late in the game when disorganised, but its budola all the same....

[tripps]

Hiya, Burnsy, nice pics, lotta white.:D Hey, I wanted to ask you something, I coulda PM'd you, but it's maybe something of general interest. In one of your journals, I remember you posting about your almost done colas started putting on new growth, kinda skinny extentions on top of the colas. Me, in my newbieishness, said, ooh, that's great. You said no it's not, not at this stage. I have some doing that. but I can't remember exactly what you attributed that too. I figured I was about ready to chop, then they started growing those skinny cola extentions. Any help appreciated.

[CB]

hey burnsy ole boy,

thx for the info on train wreak :) havent tried it but have had my eye on it for a couple years.... seems most say low yeild but killer high.... might be fun to try one or two sometime to just test the high out:D

I'm still sold on white Russian as far as yeild/high ratio goes with k2 right behind that....

nice grow and look forward to the chop....

grow on

:pass:

[Mr Burns]

In one of your journals, I remember you posting about your almost done colas started putting on new growth, kinda skinny extentions on top of the colas.
For the life of me tripps I can't remember what the conclusion was. I'm sure it wasn't a negative effect at all. The only thing that rings a bell is a light leak during the dark period can set this off (something I've never suffered) although I can't be certain.
I wouldn't worry though tripps cause some of my best White Russian bud had extended cola tips :)

hey burnsy ole boy...
I'm still sold on white Russian as far as yeild/high ratio goes with k2 right behind that....

You know CB, I'll be going back to the White Russians again. I've never sustained yields as I did back then so it looks as though they are on the cards.

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Pistils are starting to turn so I'll be looking at the trices in a few days :D

[Shadows]

Ohh, I love a good fox tail'n sativa. Doing it just cause she wants less heat or less lights on.
I think i've heard every reason as to why they do it, heat, lights on times, light leaks, over feeding, screwed up light schedule....

I think it all comes down to genetics and a Sativa may just need 10 hours of light those last 3 weeks of flower to get her to finish up.

[Mr Burns]

Ohh, I think i've heard every reason as to why they do it, heat, lights on times, light leaks, over feeding, screwed up light schedule....
Hence my not laying down a specific reason :) Good to see you ND :gthumb:
Reduce lighting to stop buds tailing off :crazy: ..nay man, give me them tails :D

Good call on the sativa lighting period. The most plausible reason I've heard yet :)

[tripps]

some of my best White Russian bud had extended cola tips :)



Great to hear, 'cause these are WR's doing it.

[CB]

I call those dread locks :D


:pass:

[Mr Burns]

Interesting developments.
At the second week of flower I tried a little unsuccessful and rather late LST. Looking at the stems all tied down I thought blx, and continued to basically tread the plants down twisting and crushing stems in the process. It looked like an after tsunami and I was a little devastated myself, so I strung the stems up from above via string, as seen in some photo's.

The interesting part is the 4 TrainWrecks I did tyhis to are now fully matured and are in for the chop today. The remaining two untouched TrainWrecks have another week 10 days flush left in them.
It'll be interesting to compare yields between the 4 & 2 and I'll get some pictures up later of what I've chopped.
I'm quite pleased with the frost on the finished plants, a little early in flush to bring them down (3 day flush) but the last time I had to do this with a 2 strain grow (never again!) I found a looong cure brought back what little quality loss you get with a short flush.

Pics to follow.

[Mr Burns]

Well I'm impressed. Very impressed :gthumb:

I only got to drop two as the other two of the four could do with another couple of days.
The two I did drop took 3 hrs to rough trim. No space to hang these as the grow room is still ongoing, so its a rough trim into the drying cab :)
TrainWreck. What can I say. I'm more impressed than I'd thought. Still not as good as the WRsians but for bud not having had any additives but PK13/14 they've set the bench mark. Solid, dense high calyx to leaf ratio mainly but quite an average smell.
I'd like to guess there's 10 ounces there but we all know how drying goes when speeding it up a little :( If I can crack the rest of the TWs and harvest the Jackies all at once then I can give em a 7 day hanging which I much prefer. You just don't get the same dank smell when speed drying, but if lowering the smell is something someone wants then its an effective way of doing it :2cents:

All in all I'm far more impressed with these TranWrecks than I thought. Pheno types vary from wide short 'n' fat nugs to tall thinish ones at an identical location on a sister plant. Nothing to worry about but not something I want for perpetual grows. Still impressed though.

A few pics taken during the chop today. One pic shows a couple of stems where I trampled some plants :)

[CylonBud]

Looks good Mr Burns. Does seem to vary a bit between the two. The best test yet will be in their smoke. How was the trimmings for hash? :D

[Mr Burns]

To be honest Cyle I stopped making hash so I don't keep the trimmings. What I do is under trim the leaf matter or if small triche encrusted buds not trim at all. Then when I container them up to draw the inner moisture out and probably dry a little more I see the excess triches falling off into the containers.
Triches attached to the bud are unaffected cause the longer leaf matter takes the bounce, so maybe leaving the trim a little longer preserves the bud triches :shrug:
Final dry and pre first storage cure I then trim the sweet leaf and separate. Then shake the shite out of the trim in a brewing bucket and collect all the triches for finger hash.
Truth be known I can't handle bubble hash. It sends me places I don't need to go and especially when in another country driving through a forest at night :eek: :eek: A living fuggin nightmare believe me :)

[tripps]

Truth be known I can't handle bubble hash.


Why you Nancy-boy, you LOL

[Mr Burns]

Why you Nancy-boy, you LOL
You can mock. I once opened the car door and an earwig fell on my head. IMO cub scouts had let me down not being prepared for such an incident :2cents:

At least in a forest you can shit almost anywhere. I was amazed the spots I chose as a 'sneaky one' already hosted many 'sleaky ones'. Never any paper though, which explained the launderettes with pissed off looking women :2cents:

[CylonBud]

If it made me poop my drawers by mistake I'd give up bubble hash too. :eek:

[CB]

If it made me poop my drawers by mistake I'd give up bubble hash too. :eek:


yep same here :)

[Mr Burns]

Lights were switched off for the last time today. I'll give em 2 days of darkness and then haul em out for an instant rough trim and rack dry.

As soon as I start the chop I'll add some pictures ;)

[CezarCronic]

Hey Mr Burn great stuff man , How 's that Train Wreck ?? i sure love to have that strain !!

I order Purple Wreck but never got here :mad:

Its a cross between Train Wreck and Cali Purple Urkel .

I know train Wreck was develop in USA and is suppose to be really strong smoke :halol:

[Mr Burns]

Cezar my view on this trainwreck is its not a big yielder. The buds it does produce are rock hard and ranging from high calyx to leaf ratio to medium. One particular pheno had a high leaf to calyx ratio but 1 outa 6 ain't bad.

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Last pics before the chop. The last one shows the Jacky Whites from Paradise seeds. When an old friend with polly tunnel experience came over for dinner today he said he'd never felt bud so caked in resin as the Jacky Whites. These ones seem to 'sweat' resin which dribbles down the bud. When lightly squeezed between finger and thumb your fingers feel like you've compressed a sticky fly paper. The smell is very citrus and super strong in odour and the buds themselves are at 75% firmness.

The first 4 shots are Trainwrecks. The bud on these are the hardest buds I've experienced without the aid of additives. Not so much resin and not as bigger yielder as the Jackies, but I have to say I'm impressed with them.
In the third shot you can see the bud from lower in the plant is as ripe as the canopy bud. This is something else I've not experienced before although I was quite ruthless in removing all side shoots in lower growth only leaving bud sites that were attached to main stems.

Over all I think it was an even grow between the two strains. Both had their own positives and any gripes about them are only voiced to pass on the information and not really points of worry at all. In fact the only real gripe is that the Jackies could do with roughly 10 days more than the TrainWreck but I can't complain there as it were I who chose to grow 2 strains in a single recirculating system :2cents:

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To sum up:

GreenHouse Seeds - TrainWreck.

If you wanted a feminized strain that would produce firm buddage, a speedy high and on the faster side of flowering then from what I've grown so far TrainWreck hits the spot. In fact if you've not the time for sexing and want a predictable number of females along with all of the above, I haven't personally experienced a better option 2thumbs
Nanners: 1 per plant shooting duds.

Paradise seeds - Jacky White.

If medium+ flowering times aren't a barrier and you're looking for a strain oozing with resin, very easy to grow and is happy at any style of growing/training then Jacky Whites should be considered. Having grown them trained and untrained I have to say trained or 'topped' is better for yields.
My only negative I think should be noted is you have to keep on top of the undergrowth. These plants are side shoot happy and IMO zap what goodness the higher and outer buds deserve to receive. Mind you, these shoots are easy to remove by pulling them back on themselves close to their main stem between finger and thumb :2cents:
Nanners: 1 in 3 plants shooting duds.

Smoke report to follow.

[CB]

:mmmm:


thanks for grow report on these :D

[WilliamClarkeQuantrill]

burp :smokin:

[Cranky]

burp :smokin:

pardon you sir :)

[Mr Burns]

thanks for grow report on these :D
No problem Omigo. I realised I hardly rate what strains I use so its time to change :)

burp :smokin:
"Pardon me for being so rude it was not me it was my food, it got so lonely down below it just popped up to say hello"
Greetings Q :hippy:

pardon you sir :)
Far too polite Cranks.

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Big trim today. Gonna try and get all 8 plants trimmed and in the drying rack :bong:

[Mr Burns]

So I trimmed all 10 plants, not 8, and found just one area with bud mould on. It was one of the Jackie Whites which surprised me but I only lost roughly ½ an ounce.
Because I want to hang the plants for a few days and with this mould evident I had to strip the trays of the roots, remove the trays and sponge dry the tanks :( Leaving the water and root zone in there would have been foolish IMO considering the ½ ounce loss :2cents:

So all in all a feckin long day! I was quite pleased with the Trainwrecks. Many a thread I read on this particular breeder were very sketchy with most people saying 'low yields', but I have to disagree. Sure they're not spectacular but I estimate pulling 5 to 6.5 ounces a plant dried this end.

Sometimes people ask what the root zone looks like in NFT so I took the time to get some pictures. Hopefully they'll speak for themselves. The red tint to the roots I now know to be the flowering nutrients, Canna Aqua Flores :)

First picture is the root zone complete with the 4 inch rockwool cubes the plants started out in. The next two speak for themselves.

[majestyk5]

very educational burns. thanks

[CylonBud]

Damn the roots are like carpet in there!:eek: Thanks for sharing Mr Burns:cool:

[tripps]

Hi Burnsy, you know, that's something I wondered about the NFT, and I recall you telling me that high humidity wasn't as big a worry as I thought, but the continuous sheet of water, the sheer surface area, must really boost the RH. Per your reassurances, I unplugged the dehumidifier in my flower room, the heat load was stressing them, I could tell. Fortunately, it's all on your head now, in the event of any problems. :D

[Mr Burns]

Damn the roots are like carpet in there!:eek:
That's a good analysis Cyclon. It roll;s up just like carpet and along with all the trimmings can go on the compost heap :D Nothing to dispose of discretely:D

Hi Burnsy, you know, that's something I wondered about the NFT, and I recall you telling me that high humidity wasn't as big a worry as I thought...but the continuous sheet of water, the sheer surface area, must really boost the RH. Did I :confused Always a concern but if you can get the corex cover down tight on the tray it should captivate any RH generated by the flow of nutrients. The corex or 'fluted plastic' I've attached a picture of.

Per your reassurances, I unplugged the dehumidifier in my flower room, the heat load was stressing them, I could tell. Fortunately, it's all on your head now, in the event of any problems. :D
Catch me if you can :p I remember telling you how I regularly flower with a RH of 65% or so. This is the first time I've had any bud rot since I grown some Skunk. I've never experienced such a bad case of bud rot except with Skunk, which is why I stay away from it.

[taffy]

Hey up Burnsy, just thought i would poke me head in and see whats up :}

Wish i had the space for 3.6Kw!! your leccy bill must be huge man!

Anyway, glad to see your still keeping busy.


taffy

[Mr Burns]

Hey up Burnsy, just thought i would poke me head in and see whats up :}

Wish i had the space for 3.6Kw!! your leccy bill must be huge man!

Anyway, glad to see your still keeping busy.


taffy
Slap me sideways with a toilet brush, its Taffy :eek:
How you doing my ole mucker?

Funny you mentioned leccy bills cause I'm almost certainly scaling down to 2.4KW. With utilities forecast to go up another 40% :eek: yep 40%, it won't be long before it becomes a financial loss compared to street shwag. Then again, perhaps it is worth sticking with growing your own :D

[Dawg]

it won't be long before it becomes a financial loss compared to street shwag.

:eek: I otta slap you silly for just typing that. :flog: :p
Naw man, home grown bud is the best man even if the elec bill is high....always be worth growin your own...at least ya know whats in it ;)
besides I'd take what you got in those pictures over street weed ne day. :mmmm:

[Mr Burns]

it won't be long before it becomes a financial loss compared to street shwag.

:eek: I otta slap you silly for just typing that. :flog:
Had to say it though Dawg. Could you imagine it being more expensive to grow than to buy, and if not a med user a prison sentence to boot :shrug: Lets not go there :pass:

Cheers fella :)

[CylonBud]

If you don't already you could veg with CF. They are way more cheaper to run than HPS for just vegging. Also use them around the home if you don't. :cool: Try to cut non essential uses of electric around the home as well. OD grows are much cheaper as well. Just be careful where you grow. I'm sure you already know and do these things but if this helps anyone it's worth typing. :D

[Mr Burns]

If you don't already you could veg with CF.
Cylon, lets start a journal in hydro buddy 2thumbs ;)

[CylonBud]

If all goes well an we sell a few apartments we have for sale along with our current home i plan to have a bigger on an private lot. Once that is done i plan to outfit the new grow room. I am concidering an NFT hydo system like yours. Right now the space and place just isnt right for it. I'll start my hydro journal then. sorry didn't mean to offend you. :o

[Mr Burns]

If all goes well an we sell a few apartments we have for sale along with our current home i plan to have a bigger on an private lot. Once that is done i plan to outfit the new grow room. I am concidering an NFT hydo system like yours. Right now the space and place just isnt right for it. I'll start my hydro journal then. sorry didn't mean to offend you. :o

:shrug: Offend me :shrug:
You haven't offended moi Cylon. My "lets start a hydro journal" comment was because I use CFLs for veg and you gave me the idea of starting a new journal to include the CFL stage :2cents: I was just too fuggin stoner tired to fire the thread up after that post :hippy:

Kudos on thinking NFT. If I can help in ANY way at all, I'll be sure to give you support 100% 2thumbs
For a system that allows you to go on vacation whilst running (with a high fluid volume) IMHO it couldn't be bettered. Along with being able to go on vacation you'll never 'have to' get back to the plants. You can put it off a day knowing that the PH may drift and the ppms may be down, but they won't go thirsty 2thumbs

[CylonBud]

My mistake then Mr Burns. Sorry. ;)

The NFT does appeal to me for just that very reason. We travel often and sometimes for up to a month especially we visiting the in-laws in Indonesia. I don't know anyone close by enough to trust with my little secrets to tend them. Can't ask mom to look in on the girls either as she wouldn't understand much less approve of me having them. I'm definitely a solo show. So this is indeed very inciting. I've read up a ton on various hydro systems and NFT looks every bit the thing I need. I plan to use CFL's for starting and vegging and probably interspersed with a couple of HPS lamps for flowering. Mostly because I have some big CFL (Two 125watt like 2 500watt, and four 65 w like 300wflower) bulbs. I have a ballest for a HPS 250watt so I will get a bulb for it and employ it's services. I will also get a 1000watt hps one when the whole deal is ready to go. Can't wait for spring! :D I'll definitely contact you when the time nears for some tips and suggestions regarding NFT. :cool:

[Mr Burns]

Cylon.

When you say "I will also get a 1000watt hps" what is the area it will cover?
As for being solo I'm much the same. The last vacation I took was for two weeks mid summer but I did have my partners friend pop in to check the header tank. She topped it up once but only because there was a problem with the float valve and the trays were being flooded (unbeknown to her :2cents:) Had the float valve been operating as it should she'd have had nothing to do but look it over :2cents:

Vacations are important to me and seeing how you're in the same position NFT is IMO the best system for you :)

[CylonBud]

Right now I have a ballast for a 250HPS that I plan to use mixed with 2 125w flowering Cfls and 4 65w cfl flowering bulbs. I haven't made the flower area yet. In planning and also is being influenced by the possible sale of our current home. If we stay in the current situation it will be in a 10' by 7' area in the basement. If in a new place we like it will be much bigger. The 1000HPS is longer term as I will test grow with the current set of bulbs. Being able to walk away for a bit will be a necessary thing for me. NFT is what I plan to do. Looking into the specifics of it now. :D

[taffy]

I don't think for one minute your efforts would be anywhere near that of street schwag mate so i'm sure it will still be worth it. I think i'll be buying a m-chp setup when they come onto the market next year, how about making 3Kw from wood logs / pelletts? plus making your own heat as well off course.

About to go for a capped rate leccy deal until oct next year, by then they should be on the market.

It's getting a bit serious over here lately, i don't like it at all...

Grow on dude.

taffy