first grow.... pls give advice

[steve oh]

this is my first real atempt at a hyro setup (bubble bucket method) i built a box 2'X2'X4' and i am running cfls at about 5000 lumens/f2
but unfortunately im using bag seed and i can even rember what the bud was like i got it from (short term memory is great) but here is my problem all plants are the same age (except one in the back,the taller one) but 2 of them seem to be getting bigger alot faster then the rest could this b a sign of sex or just conditions
if any one has and advice id b in youy debt
(i plann on posting the whole grow satart to finnish enjoy)
ill add more pics as i find em /resize em

[Fred Lemonjello]

Some opinions and research have found that males grow taller then females in vegetative state..... as well as flower....

But I have found no real method to this.... only real way to tell a male from a female is when the plants actually show sex which is 7 to 14 days into the flower cycle.

One cause for tall growth is lighting..... how close the light is to the plants, what type of light it is.
Humidity can also play a factor, high humidity can cause the plant to spread out so that it has better air circulation to avoid mold and disease.

etc,etc....


Looking forward to see your grow progress.

Fred

[Even Crazier Van Guy]

it could also be the fact that different things grow at different rates, too.

[Sticky_Budz]

all plants grow at different rates all depends on the strains good luck with the grow if you want to determine the sex take a clone off the plant and put it in 12/12 light in a cup of watter good luck will be looking forward to seeing some pics soon peace

[reubeni]

Bag seed/landrace strains tend to grow taller anyways because they have never been subject to selection for height as they grow outside, if you gonna grow landrace better to flower em @ about 9"-10" so you will have room for expansion and get ready for a long flowering schedule.
By the way welcome to HGB:pass:

[Pothead420]

i wouldnt say your unfortunately your growing bagseed some of the best plants ive grown have been bagseed and my buddy just pulled one down from bagseed that was 2ft. tall toped to 4 main colas and ended up with 5 1/4oz. dry from it and it was killer smoke;) you will get lots of variation between them but its good to find that killer fem to make a mother and clone the hell out of her

[steve oh]

i hope them pics help im gonna put em into 12/12 next week i think or i might trim em and train em then flower i havent decided any advice i still have at least 2 1/2feet of growing space left and i can lower my bucket (switch to a 2.5g) but im worried about having root room

[CB]

i hope them pics help im gonna put em into 12/12 next week i think or i might trim em and train em then flower i havent decided any advice i still have at least 2 1/2feet of growing space left and i can lower my bucket (switch to a 2.5g) but im worried about having root room

sounds like time to flower with 2.5 feet of height left, and the 2.5g will do just fine trust me:) root bound will help control upward growth if need be

figure on the plants grow'n 2/3's the size in flower:D

[Pothead420]

but im worried about having root room
from the looks of it you using a net pot cover for a 5-gallon bucket the roots will have plenty of room. if that is what your using they will grow threw the net into the bucket :)

[Mel]

The most important tool you have in your "tool box" is free, difficult to use, often overlooked. It is called the "p" tool, use it well. BTW good luck

[Mel]

Beware the "too disease" it has taken the life of more plants than can be numbered

[gorilla]

maybe one is growing smaller because there is more than one plant in that one bucket? Maybe it's growing smaller because it's genetically predisposed to? Maybe it's a pussy plant. :D But I wouldn't kill it until I know it's male or female.

Best of luck, you have been given some good advice in this thread. Best of all, your plants are very green!!! Keep us updated on how they progress.

[Mel]

:sunny:maybe one is growing smaller because there is more than one plant in that one bucket? Maybe it's growing smaller because it's genetically predisposed to? Maybe it's a pussy plant. :D But I wouldn't kill it until I know it's male or female.


what the Simian said:D

I have found one plant per container works best.:)

Different strains grow at different rates. At the extreems I have found blueberry grows very low & slow. Durban poisin grew "like a weed", in seven weeks it actually grew past a lamp set at 8 feet from the floor bulb. I had to break her poor little neck:eek:

could be a dud... prob not:(

btw if you have the facilities;

before you sex them clone them ... and mark them, :slap:
If you have females, there you are, she can go ahead and crop out. no reversing the cycle to clone. You already have her clone so sexing will never be an issue again.:cool:.. for that pheno of that strain:p
If there is a male (curse it)... no harm done just toss the clone on the hash pile;) Unless you want to become a seed bank, kill your males. Just a speck of pollen can really (pun intended) fuck up a grow.:mad:

Edit:

:chick:It is good karma to refer to your plants as females

[steve oh]

im having trouble trying to load pics and genarly browse the site im getting a safe mode message
Warning: Unknown: SAFE MODE Restriction in effect. The script whose uid is 32219 is not allowed to access /home/homegr52/MyTmp owned by uid 32131 in Unknown on line 0
can any one help?

[Sticky's_Queen]

Yes we have been having some problems here on HGB we have someone looking into it. You can not upload pictures at the moment and will have to use the refresh button alot right now. Sorry for this inconvenience. We are hoping it will be fixed soon. Thanks ~SQ~

[steve oh]

so........... one week later and i have learnt a thing or two.....with so many plants in a small system i am going to have to keep a better eye on my nute levels and ph because i devloped some chlorosis and spotty necrosis on some older growth....no big deal i fawn over the ladies enough to have cought it early...................and a 55w cfl bulb will raise my temp and lower my humidity considerably so i added a fan to my venting as well as the intake fan..........i sat a back and shared a fatty with the ladies and we decided not to crop out any one but i will train/bend them over towards the edges of the box just to give me a lil more flowering room im not to sure how big there going get but i have already experimented with outher seeds from the same bag as these (i got a really seedy batch this winter)and they respond well to traning..so i think after bending them over and veging for another week ish (to reduce stress ect) im going to start 12/12 and watch the magic happen :)
i will post pics as soon as it is posible. good luck to all working on the problem!! ( i wish there was somthing i could do about the error but me and electronics dont get along so well ...lol) i welcome all your questions and comments pls..................thats how we learn..................................
p.s. its great to b able to talk ,share and ask questions openly with outher growers insted of keeping my excitement to my self you guys (and gals) at HGB rock tks

[Mel]

hey I cleared my cookies then logged back on and all my stuff works,I noticed your avatar was not showing I think that is cause of the cookie clear stuff

[steve oh]

no still dont work

[Mel]

no still dont work

yeah but your very cool avatar does ... no more red x box:D

[steve oh]

here are the pics that go with my last post enjoy
the last one is some of the chlorosis and spotty necrosis i am seeing it has shown up in all my ladies now in the lower (older) growth
i dont think it is a light problem......im leaning more towards a N deff but i check and re check my nute mixtures and keep my ph@6
im using a guick grow brand of nutes
1-2-5pt#1@5ml/
2-0-0pt#2@6ml/l
2-1-1maxium plantroids@1ml/l
0-2-1 super b+@1ml/l

[steve oh]

here are some more pics i took this mornin im going to reduce my ph to 5.7 and make a new nute bath without part one and start on part 2&3 (first week of flowering ) i welcome your questions comments and advice .....also i think im going to remove the smallest plant from the box also hope it will help with my outher problems buy reducing the amount of plants taking up the nutes

[steve oh]

LOW AND BEHOLD THEY ARE FEMALE...................ALL OF THEM
these are the best pics my cheap 6.3mp camera could get but here they are i was down switching nutes and trimming (figuerd that necrosis i had goin on wasz fungi so i removed it all) i found these babbys i have they same thing showing up on 3 out of 4 plants (the lil guy ant showin ) bag seed did me good i guess and thanks to ghb sexing was easy im so excited:beat: i had a large vape session with the ladies to celebrate :pass: ...........................................
day one of 12/12 and counting wish me luck:watch:

[CB]

nice one on the lady's :D

(figuerd that necrosis i had goin on wasz fungi so i removed it all)

pretty sure that wasn't fungi... looks more like just lower/bottom leaf die'n off (which is normal) or a bit of nute's got on those as the rest of the plant looked great to me....


damn fine job so far for a first grow and in hydro at that :D

:pass:

[Even Crazier Van Guy]

right on, man... yer on yer way now :cool:
:pass:

[Sticky_Budz]

:greatjob::pass::pass::420::gthumb:

[Mel]

keep an eye on em they could be Hermies:eek:

[steve oh]

im ok with hermies ill let one go to seed and replenish my suplys (tks buy the way 4 every ones help finding some i now owe visa lots$$$$ more lol :) )
but verry worth it :pass:

[CB]

im ok with hermies ill let one go to seed and replenish my suplys


IMHO hermie seeds is the last thing you want:)

[steve oh]

ill keep a close eye on em ...................x80

[Mel]

IMHO hermie seeds is the last thing you want:)


what he said Hermies make hermies and mostly seeds to make more Hermies

[steve oh]

2 weeks into flower and a lil traning (thanks to some wire) and here we are
cumming along last week i gave them some bub blood as well as the normal nute program this week i replaced the bud blood with big bud and carbo load this should b a good week i have also had good results with my trimming creating bushy lil ladys c for your self..........................im thinkin about adding suplemental co2 any sugestions?

[gorilla]

looks good stev-oh.

hey guys, what's that 'look' his plant has? almost like overwatered but it's in hydro. do you see the way the leaves seem thick and curved down a little?

i'm not the best plant expert, steve, but maybe someone sees what I do and can answer.

[Even Crazier Van Guy]

looks pretty damn nice to me....

[steve oh]

thanks fellas
im quite proud my self
i did not think i would this far my first time with hydro

[gorilla]

just me i guess :o

[Dawg]

hey guys, what's that 'look' his plant has? almost like overwatered but it's in hydro. do you see the way the leaves seem thick and curved down a little?

I have to agree a lil..whats your humidty and your air flow...I see this when plants don't have enough airflow or too high of humidity. in my past grows made it look like lettuce and droopy. But they look really green and healthy...but does have some droop.
but they look great!!!! They are growin nicely...(all of us don't have "perfect" plants) they all have there own quircks ;) but better to monitor things ;)

[Mel]

watch your Mg levels could be locking out that is causing the curl.

the "curl" is an inigma that haunts the most seasoned gardener

[Even Crazier Van Guy]

oh fuck!... u guys sound like a bunch of bitches... let the fucking thing be!... just let the fucking weed grow, fer fuck sakes, ... :p

fuck... next you guys r gunna say the plant ain't shit'n regular... LOL
:p

give it straight water for the next two weeks and call me in the morning:buttshake

LMFAO :notworth::alky::cool:

[becky420]

Sheesh VAN calm down!!
ladies in the house.. the language i mean really..:eek:

[Mr Burns]

... do you see the way the leaves seem thick and curved down a little?
Could also be something as simple as low temps.
Can you see the root zone and check its all snow white, or as near as?

[Mel]

... do you see the way the leaves seem thick and curved down a little?
Could also be something as simple as low temps.
Can you see the root zone and check its all snow white, or as near as?

ya see curl makes all go hmmmm....

[gorilla]

Well, thanks guys i'm glad i'm not just stupid. I didnt mean to start anything. :o How's that plant doin', steve-oh? Any pics?

[steve oh]

you know come to think of it buns some of my roots are a lil brown but i wasent concernd cus there are many more white helthy roots/hairs than ugly ones but good call ..........im agreeing with the van guy though im a big fan of just leting the plant fix it self and or tough it out i mean it is a weed after all and real hardy the slight curl is not realy bothering me it dont seem to be bothering the ladies either

[steve oh]

ya sorry fellas im kinda slow with the updates i have been traning/competing in skills canada (landscape gardener...won gold in provincials) but here they are its been bout 4 weeks into flower now they have been geting big bud and carbo load as well as the regular nute reg hope you all enjoy and tks 4 the suggestions you are all a great help many grower brains are much better than one...........since the curl got such attention what do you guys and gals think of the darkening of the pistle tips on some of the buds hhhmmmmmmmm???????????

[steve oh]

here is a top view my temp usally is round 76 durring the day and in the low 60s i have a comp fan blowing in and a 6" table fan blowing out exchanging air but not realy creating enough wind to fluter the foliage

[Mr Burns]

you know come to think of it buns some of my roots are a lil brown but i wasent concernd cus there are many more white helthy roots/hairs than ugly ones but good call
You gotta watch them brown roots steve. Brown roots are often followed by brown sludge so you oughta keep an eye on them.
Have a look at additives for decomposing dead root matter harmlessly. I use Regen-a-root (http://www.canadianxpress.com/regen.html) which works wonders as soon as I see any tinge of dead root matter :)

[steve oh]

thats a good idea burns ill give it a try (couldent hurt) ill post before and aft root pics when i get a chance

[Mr Burns]

Nice move steve. I never used to used additives for the good of the plant but normally for yield, yield and yield :p It took me a few knock backs to understand to get a basic yield a grower needs a plant in tip top condition, and then a grower can play with additives for yield.

I'm no guru steve but if money is tight I'd rather spend on health additives than yield boosters :2cents:
Give something a go such as the regen-a-root and if it works well for you and your system then you're one step further towards being dialled in :gthumb: but don't go adding boosters this time round unless you can't help yourself :p How about giving this run a go without boosters :shrug: Just see how white you can keep them roots and how green you can keep them leaves.

Good stuff steve.

[Mel]

healthy roots are the key

there is an ancient Celtic ruin that shows the root and the tree ...
explains it all in all languages ... be right back!

edit:
http://www.homegrownbud.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=15358&stc=1&d=1211902781

[steve oh]

wow thats awsome mel

[steve oh]

its june and 2 weeks till flush stage (ish) here are some garden pics

[Mr Burns]

Looks like you've some sweet leaf to smoke as well as bud Steve.

Top man.

[CylonBud]

Looks nice and frosty Steve oh. I hope they smoke as good as they look. :pass:

[steve oh]

tks the trichs are large and every where
i REALY realy hope they smoke as nice as they look
geting real sticky and putting on gurth now . no real smell though.................... up close hell ya ..... but you cant smell them in the room at all .......kicking my self now for not going hydro sooner this experiment has tought me a hell of alot (i hope you all enjoyed it ) and my next gardens from here on out will b hydro the playing possibilitys are endless its like bong building but with better results
i can smoke and build to my hearts content im excited already ......i think i have some pvc downstairs....and an air pump...some .................................................. ........

[Mr Burns]

Steve go easy on handling the sweet leaf cause it'll be a good smoke seeing how frosty it is.
I was at a music festival a few years back and gave a friend some of my bud so it appeared I had none and he was 'the man'. An old acquaintance seen it and said "shit man that's more leaf than bud, I can get you better shit than that". Needless to say he was passed out for two sets of bands whilst we kicked back and enjoyed :laugh:

As for the hydro bug, I remember getting it myself after my first true wet grow. Had I not access to on-line forums to share knowledge or in my case at the time 'glean information' I doubt I'd have been anywhere near as successful, but it was and have never looked back :)

What I will say though is you still can't disregard dirt in some respects. Lets not argue over them but each method be it soil or wet systems produce differing tastes and yields. I'm full wet but always have outdoor grows (unknown to most) and both the end product and time consumption are worlds apart.

Good to see another wet user and loving it. Could I persuade you into NFT :D

Great result Steve. Even better to hear you have 'the bug'.....

[steve oh]

tks burns
yup bin biten hard .....and infected......i have always been a soil man myself
but after a few classes this year i got real intrested in hydro and decided to give it a go ....im trying to plan a workable system to split up my out door garden (vegtables) do halph hydro and halph soil and compare taste and size if all goes well ill post pics (but im still deciding on a system ) and $$ is tight round the oh house so we will c
real excited bout growing hydro though its become a new hobby lately........... i have brought at least 2 buddies over to the wet side and the bug is spreding.............................look out might get YOU

[steve oh]

whats nft burns?

[Mr Burns]

whats nft burns?

Heres one explanation. (http://www.1-hydroponics.co.uk/top-tips/nft-large.htm)

This (http://www.1-hydroponics.co.uk/video/netscape/realvideo/index.html) may interest you regarding Flood & Drain.

Let me know what you think Steve.

[steve oh]

you rock burns
im making a nft type system for my out door garden lmao i did not know the name of the method tks............so im already into nft and the link you sent wow brother thank you:gthumb: its a gold mine of info:bong: a real good read

[Mr Burns]

Not sure if I rock Steve but thanks for the rep buddy :hippy:

Good to hear you're already into the NFT all be it by your own design (kudos!) and when you feel comfortable with sharing some pics put em up!

I'll get my thinking cap on regarding more links Steve but until I do how are these plants doing :shrug:

[steve oh]

well aft all my trimming and hydro experiments this is what i came up with (along with learning a thing or 2 ) yeald appears to b close to 1oz............im just happy my first go at it produced anything thanks for all the help and advice along the way .. ... im choping them down on canada day and then im going to sharpen and re sharpen my p tool..............then ill sharpen it once more........buy the time my next batch is in a happy veg i will b enjoying the fruit (flower) of my labour..........hope you enjoy the pics i tryed to take one with my 10x and my cam it dident turn out as well as i hoped ...........cheers

[CezarCronic]

Very good bro for the first time:greatjob: ,those buds look very tasty man:mmmm: ... Congrats on your harvest and hope you enjoy a good smoke from your own growth ;)

Next time will be a lot better and everything will be easier too :grow:, keep it going bro :peaceman:

[CylonBud]

Those buds look pretty good to me. Congrats on you 1st grow! It should get better for ya as you learn, grow, and blossem into a great Mj farmer. Keep on growing!:D