A visit to The Redlight District

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First off..this is more of a visual reference than an actual journal of how it was grown.
I had three males in a row..well..one was a herm of about 80-20 male dom...this is the first true female. These are crosses done by Mr. Hyde....for the parentage maybe he will chime in...this x that x those x these = Redlights

As you can see..it was put in flowering mode early by the lack of alternating internodes...I'm sure it would have done better overall if it was left in veg alittle longer..but with the male run I had to...I also believe the male run was due to being overly stressed in veg..neglect..too cool temps ect..b/c as soon as I corrected stuff I got the female and it looks like the one behind it may also be female..alittle early..but there are a few pistils showing..so as long as the male pods don't start popping up..it's another point for the theory that ideal environmentals and feedings in weeks 3-4 produce more females...this is not the first time I've had male runs due to neglect in veg..but that is another topic...and one that I have believe may be a fact bla-bla

ok..briefly..I feed any combination of fox farm 6-4-4..epsom..cacl..rare earth (Si and humates), and fulvic acid..flower nutes are the same except alaska 0-10-10 is substituted for the fox farm and they get a few shots of catalyst..forget the brand name whilst really fn stoned. :D ..but contains stuff like yeast, molasses, and other goodies..I'll list the label later....I pretty much just wing it these daze..no meters or measuring..been pushing it in flower and if I see any tip curl I back off or even flush some until it corrects itself. So I pretty much let the plant tell me what and how much it can take...in mid winter and the really hot parts of summer I up the silicon just alittle..helps with any cool temps in winter and drought/heat in summer.

This lil whore-sister of those bastard brothers of hers was put in flower on dec. 20th. j/k :D ..so far she looks upward mobile.

ps..Earth Juice Catalyst!!

[mr. hyde]

red lights = 12.5% bubblegum, 12.5% durban poison, 25% white widow, 25% g13, and 25% hashplant ;)

[Dibbz]

Looking lush and Green, so do u rate the Fox Farms Nuits i heard a lil about them ive never seen them available anywhere in the U.K.:peace:

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hey Dibbz, thx for stopping by...and glad you did. :D ..b/c I have been listing my veg at 6-4-4..when in fact it is 12-7-7...I have been using their grow big organic b/c altho red light doesn't have any supplemented in the substrate..I usually use mycorrhizal fungi..and the salts from the ferts I was using were probably burning my mycor colonies.. a thread about it and doing some reading...lately after flushing with clearex and harvesting..I dump my soil a mix in about 50% new soil/perlite..so there may have been enough mycor still in there that she could benefit..dunno? So in veg they are pretty much fed organically..and I have to watch it b/c if I pushed the nutes like I do in flower they would prolly outgrow my small veg space..but I do give them a boost for lush growth before transplanting...and yes, I'll buy fox farms big grow again.
I did a quick google and it doesn't seem that they are available in europe..but at their site they had an email if it wasn't available to you..or I suppose you would have to do the online thing.
here is its labeled ingredients
Guaranteed Analysis
TOTAL Nitrogen (N)12.0%
1.5% Ammoniacal Nitrogen
2.0% Nitrate Nitrogen
8.5% Urea Nitrogen

AVAILABLE PHOSPHATE (P205) 7.0%
SOLUBLE POTASH (K20) 7.0%
Boron (B)0.02%
Copper (Cu) 0.05%
0.05% Chelated Copper
Iron (Fe) 0.10%
0.10% Clelated Iron
Manganese (Mg) 0.05%
0.05% Chelated Manganese Molybdenum(Mo)0.0009%
Zinc (Zn) 0.05%
0.05% Chelated Zinc Derived from: Ammonium Sulfate, Ammonium Phosphate, Urea, Blood Meal, Potassium Nitrate, Potassium Sulfate, Earthworm Castings, Norwegian Kelp, iron EDTA, zinc EDTA, manganese EDTA, copper EDTA, chelating agent, Disodium Ethylenediamine Tetra Acetate (EDTA), sodium borate, and sodium molybdate.

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damn!..wait a minute..I have to look at my label..I thought it didn't have urea???? I'll straighten this out tomorrow..but if what I've been using has 8.5% urea..I'll prolly be dumping it next trip to the plant-candy shoppe.:eek:

p.s. okay..I see..I use their organic based 'hydro' nute...6-4-4..fuggin stoners..lol..man, I was stressin' haha

ontains premium select earthworm castings. Guaranteed Analysis as follows: Nitrogen 6.0% (2.9% Ammoniacal Nitrogen; 3.1% Nitrate Nitrogen), Available Phosphate 4.0%, Soluble Potash 4.0%, Magnesium 0.60% Water Soluble, Sulfur 0.50%, Boron 0.02%, Chelated Copper 0.05%, Chelated Iron 0.10%, Chelated Manganese 0.05%, Molybdenum 0.0009% and Zinc 0.05%. Derived from: Ammonium Sulfate, Ammonium Phosphate, Potassium Phosphate, Potassium Nitrate, Earthworm Castings, Magnesium Nitrate, Blood Meal, Norwegian Kelp, Magnesium Sulfate, Potassium Sulfate, iron EDTA, manganese EDTA, zinc EDTA, copper EDTA, chelating agent, Disodium Ethylenediamine Tetra Acetate (EDTA), sodium borate, and sodium molybdate.

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What is wrong with this picture? :D

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I took 3 clones off my tomato plant before it died..planted all three in a container and put it in 12/12 just to see....I'm getting lil green tomatoes..lol..there is also a miniture rose someone gave the wife and almost died..recovered and next spring it will go in the garden.

[CB]

garden zoomy :D

you out to see what all fillabong has grow'n is his :eek:

i played around with a Christmas Cati as well as a few other plants....

grow on bro and no pantie shot's ;)

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hahaha..yea..look!..a panty plant!! :D :rolleyes:

thx CB..cool!! I'll have to take a look...tomorrow..I comitted to go fishing at 6 am..don't commit when youre stoned lol..but shud be good to get out. with the tomato clones I just wanted to see any dif from indoor to outdoor..see if the indoor can get close. Gonna have to transplant it into a 5 gl. bucket tho.

[Shadows]

journaling again? Thanks for clearing up what "riding off into the sunset" means! hahaha stoner, lol

Liking those redlights man. Hyde is pretty spot on with his work. Glad you finally got a female to take to the limit. Hope she stays a she, so stay dressed while in the grow room, we dont want ya to scare her Bi.

haha, yeah Im sto-ned

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haha..me a stoner?..eh-hem. lol

hey man..if I went in the growroom nude..which I don't see happening soon..she would start dropping her sunleaves, polyps would swell, and she would start oozing resin. :p haha

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This is how I use weights in the stretch to try and keep an even canopy.

In the first pic you can see a few tops vying for apic dominance.

The following pics are as close to weight training as I'm going to get. :D Sometimes I can release them after awhile and sometimes I have to keep it on longer..sometimes I even have to add another weight. Usually in that case the stem will look like a step..L..w/e. With thw eights it's so easy to just move it further out..like to the next internode or again w/e. Early on I have to admit..I was too demanding and popped a few stems..but now I have a feel for how much she can take and I try to get her 90 degrees from what it was..so instead of trying to do a stubborn meristem immediately..I will do it over a few days bla-bla

[Shadows]

My wife has been naggin for some time, "when are you going to get back into weights?" Sounds like a perfect way to give her what she wants!! lol

very lush looking lady there bro. I can see you havnt lost your touch for keeping a lady happy.

hey man..if I went in the growroom nude..which I don't see happening soon..she would start dropping her sunleaves, polyps would swell, and she would start oozing resin.
Arent those normal signs of death also?? LMAO!

[milagro]

What do you make those weights out of naked man? :D



milagro

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nd..hahahaha

Milagro...they are made of lead..that's why I paint them..and see these are ready for another paint job. They are made from a fishing weight mold.

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oh..I also use coated copper wire..if you look close you can see I had to snip the wire some to get it through the eye.

this is her after a coupla daze.

[Shadows]

Found some family pics for ya bro


http://home01.wxs.nl/~romei017/ethiopianet-photo-section-photo-016.jpg

http://www.homegrownbud.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=1480&stc=1&d=1137771135

lol, have a good friday

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lmfao..nope..aint claiming them..they don't have a J in their beaks..lol

btw..did you see the gel 2 root stuff I posted in propagation?

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....but here's a distant relative...he can't fly w/o a little magical herb either. :D

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hmmm..was that a hit?:cool: ...I can't even post 600 x 450 pics.

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this is her yesterday
the 2nd pic is how I weight trained the apic by moving the weight as the tip grew..when I thought the others had caught up enough I let it start reaching for the light source rather than be kept horizontal.

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here are some youngin's still in veg..germed between 12-21 & 12-27.
I was debating whether to let them grow naturally or lst...tonite I decided to weight a few down.
btw..the pic of the second batch of the tops was blurry

[milagro]

I was debating whether to let them grow naturally or lst...tonite I decided to weight a few down.




Yo Zoomster,


Funny thing....

this grow I topped a couple of plants, and was impressed to see that the bottom part grows up with four apic meristems, very similar to the way I grow my LST these days; limited apics.

But ya know what? They just don't look the same and for me.... the aesthetics of a plant LSTd over one that isn't are immense. I just think they're prettier.

More buds too.:D



milagro

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yup!!

..is it safe yet?

...was it my imagination..or were there giant birds on bud blvd.?..forgot.

lst it is then...;)

[Shadows]

LST does have a sort of flow to it. I used to top every plant before flower for a clone. Now pulling the top down gets me 3-4 clones, and enough branches for a fine harvest.

so howzit going xzoomd? that redlight lady still bringing a smile to your face?

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Yea Nd...I think that is why lst caught on like wild-fire.
What eventually sold me was when D explained that an apic has most of the auxin and when one tops a plant..the auxin is removed.. lst it is transferred to secondary meristems...I dunno..that is one of the problems with dealing with aliens..it is easier to just accept what they say than prove or disprove...have you noticed any difference in a topped and lst'd plants?...like do you notice what could be a lack of auxin opposed to a trained plant?...does a plant rejuvenate auxin...does it equal original auxin levels?

Yes, ND..I have to say I am impressed thus far. For something that was abused coming up (veg) she is standing tall now and no reason why she couldn't work the Vegas strip or Tahoe. But I am more impressed with the ones in veg now. I have better cared for these and to me they have responded well. Lately I have found that a longer than 6 wk veg makes for a better yield. I wanted to let this round of Red Lights go 8 wks ..but they may outgrow my veg bins...I may be able to work these in Monaco.;) :D
I will try to get some pics up today/tonite.

[highonfire420]

Hey X,

Those are looking mighty fine for something that has been weight training. Nothing like being a personal trainer and whipping them into shape. They look great.


Keep it green.

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haha..hey highonfirew420..thx for stopping by.

well here there are as of tonite....the pic of the one with a view of the stem is just a different view of the prior one...the one in the lil square whit planter is one I had in sickbay and about to come out..the rest are just redlight veggies popped between dec 20th and the 27th....The one that looks topped was actually a mistake I keep making..pulling my plants out without taking the weights off first..I have popped stems like that on more than one occassion and one would think by nowe I would have learned.:rolleyes: ..so now I had a top in my hand and no cup downstairs. So I saw a veg planter with no drainage yet..the same one from the water-cure trial..then I saw an old nursery planter so I turned in upside down and used the one of its drainage holes to put the cutting in and fill the red container with water so the the stem was submerged in water..haha..I may just keep using this setup for clippings to root..it's easy enuff....last pic is the current ranking redlight..put in flower on dec 20th.

[mr. hyde]

an apic has most of the auxin and when one tops a plant..the auxin is removed.. lst it is transferred to secondary meristems...I dunno..that is one of the problems with dealing with aliens..have you noticed any difference in a topped and lst'd plants?...like do you notice what could be a lack of auxin opposed to a trained plant?...does a plant rejuvenate auxin...does it equal original auxin levels?

good questions.... answers? you know i don't believe any of that anti-top mumbo jumbo even tho i weight train. there is perhaps some difference in the branching pattern of a topped vs. trained plant at that juction point or something, but auxin? i don't rightly know. i could guess that the difference would be a minor thing considering that a plant must go through massive changes during the period of 3-4 months going from veg to flower but i dunno neither............

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yea, I hear ya, Hyde..but you sat in a couple of those pHD seminars or w/e the hell they were. haha..one mans ceiling is another mans floor I guess..I probably wouldn't know the difference anyway..but that was one of his selling points for LST..anions/cations..hyperacumulation of micros..all the small windows...my perfection would be his disaster..lol..I do miss him tho....but my regimen is so simple now I'm almost ashamed to admit it....after all the trials and tribulations..the leaves really do tell you what they need or need less of...I'll tell ya tho..since using fulvic, Si, cacl..and getting away from heavy salt ferts..life has been a cruise...instead of the old peters 20-20-20 (urea)..I switched to a fox farm organic hydro veg nute and Alaska 0-15-15 Bloom nute..all I watch is for Mg and Ca def.'s and add accordingly..I don't even measure my nutes any more..just pour from the bottle into a gal jug..I know sometimes I go way over the recommended doses..but I have been pushing it with the nutes..the leaves tell me when to back off..and with the added micros in the hydro veg nutes..np with any toxicity and seems to get it true flower with what it gets from veg..all the Alaska has is p & k...I add an occasional dose of rare earth (silicon & humates)..epsom (Mg) and my prestone driveway melt. haha (ca cl)...btw..the cacl is really concentrated..just a coupla 5-6 granules is enuff per gal...I ad the Mg and Ca Cl on alternate water only days..together they precipitate..bla-bla

Hyde, add a metal halide to your flower room. haha..j/k

btw..I think there is a lil click thing at the top of the thread to subscribe so you get notices of updates..???

[mr. hyde]

can ya run mh vertical with no reflector? you know i side with ozgrowa:p . i looked up auxin in the breeders bible and this is what it said. "auxins promote stem cell elongation and have some function in controlling yields. auxins are mainly produced in the stem, bud and roots. auxins play an active part in phototropism. phototropism occurs when a plant bends towards the light. auxins also work with apical dominace. when auxins are present they prevent lateral growth. this is known as apical dominace. auxins also stimulate cell division in the cambium, stimulate differentiation of phloem and xylem, and stimulate root initiation on stem cuttings. auxins also delay leaf aging and stimulate flowering. they are also known to promote females. hmm..auxins can both inhibit and increase growth depending on how the plant uses them.
barmac auxinone is an auxin based-hormone that is available from grow stores. it is used to stimulate growth.
sensaspray is another auxin-based hormone and is used to promote females. it also contains ethylene, another plant hormone. " i dont know if that is helpful.. i dont really think so:( maybe a little bit

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mh..yea..why not?..just watch your forehead..there a little wider than your used to. :D

auxin and females huh?..hmmm...... yea, good read..thx! ..I really have to buy the breeders bible, as you keep suggesting ..I think the next time the grip (wife) goes downtown..I may go with her..property tax is coming up and I like to pay right there..not that postal workers are not all fine ppl, mind you. heh

ps~..it is in the thread tools..if it says subscribe..youre not..if it says unsubscribe..you are

[Shadows]

Isnt it true that auxins travel in the plant? At night down to the rootzone and in the light back to the dominant tip. I also believe I've read its best to top a plant as early in the morning as possible so that when you top you DONT remove the auxins. But then Im a stoner and may have dreamed that all up one night, lol....

1 thing I've noticed from using the cytokinin is the lateral growth is only improved if the plant is trained or top. If the plant still has a dominant apic the cyto will cause some stretch to occur.

[Cranky]

Isnt it true that auxins travel in the plant? At night down to the rootzone and in the light back to the dominant tip. I also believe I've read its best to top a plant as early in the morning as possible so that when you top you DONT remove the auxins. But then Im a stoner and may have dreamed that all up one night, lol....

nope...ive read that myself shadows,how true it is though i cant say as it just says that....no explanation behind it like:rolleyes:

ethylene pops up again:D ive dug some stuff (http://www.homegrownbud.com/forums/showthread.php?t=89&page=3&highlight=ethylene)on that before if ya fancy having a read;)

ive only tried lst the once and then they were flowered using enviros so i couldnt see the propper diff(if any) between topping and lst.will try this lst lark again one day and flower under the ol hps...

cranky

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haha..here we go again...

Well, yes..there would be more auxin in the bud during midday..but not real clear if travels all the way down to the roots..or if roots have auxin in them too...I do know they travel downward in the stem and inhibit secondary growth...I also know it bogs down my mind..but I'm not one of those who took Bud Botany 420 or belong to Marijuana Mensa..but I know how to toss a hot potato inda shadows!:D

ps..haha..I like that one..marijuana mensa.:hmmmm: :teef:

[CB]

but I'm not one of those who took Bud Botany 420

how did ya miss that one? :p

[milagro]

I also know it bogs down my mind..but I'm not one of those who took Bud Botany 420 or belong to Marijuana Mensa..but I know how to toss a hot potato inda shadows!:D

ps..haha..I like that one..marijuana mensa.:hmmmm: :teef:



Zoomy,


It's rare to read any of your posts without a putting smile on one's face.

If you're not a member, I don't know who is. ;)



milagro