burn or defiecency

[majestyk5]

could some one tell me if this is alright. three weeks old gave it mircale grow real lite saturday
3 weeks old, 1 x 2ft 20wt 2x 4ft 40wt
hyponix potting soil
humidy?
temp 85
plain water this afternoon

[majestyk5]

forgot pics

[majestyk5]

check out that bottem leaf if you can.( i thought i had a better camera than this) seems like the next leaf up is gettting funky on the edges

[majestyk5]

just poured a liter clean water in so water ran out of the pot bottom.

[Shadows]

At this point, I'd say dont worry about that. I could have come from an over watering episode, or from under feeding. When did it show, before or after you fed them? How much powder did you mix with a gallon of water?

But still, watch the upper growth ATM. If it continues to grow with a nice green color alls good. If not, report back just how

[majestyk5]

hey thanks for the input.
i think i might have over watered.
how can you tell the difference between over fert and under fert. they look pretty much the same to me. but i am new to this..any problem seems mostly on the bottom single leaf. just slight discoloration on the next set up. just around the edges. i believe its the "teeth".
the rest of the leaves are a nie green and the top were its growing is a nice light green and seems to be growing fine. almost straight up
do i need one of those fancy ph meters or can i use my aquriam ph test stuff?
it was a diluted mixture - but it was miracle gro
and the bottom leaves did look a little wilty before i fed.
this is my first grow and i dont want to mess it up, it may be bag ssed but if i cant grow that .. well i would hate to spend money on seed til i learn to grow

[CB]

looks like you might have spilt some MG on the leaf :)

[Shadows]

looks like you might have spilt some MG on the leaf :)

I thought that too, but then look at the Coyts, they're yellowed and curled over, she was getting hungry then.


it was a diluted mixture - but it was miracle gro

Would really help to know how much you used. Not so much for me, but for you and your future reference. Say you used 1/4 tsp per gallon this week and next week she showed only slight improvement. You'd know 1/4 was light and could then bump up to 1/2tsp per gallon, and so on. You should NEVER need more then 1tsp per gallon of miracle grow (or any soil fert at lowes, HD or walmart) and should not feed that every time. follow a simple cycle, Water, Water, feed, water, water, feed. Do those only when needed, yanno? Dont water today, water tomorrow then feed on the third day, you'll go into overwatering issues. Water or feed only when the soil is dry.

do i need one of those fancy ph meters or can i use my aquriam ph test stuff?
My opinion on testing PH for soil growing differs from some. I say, a good commercial potting soil requires NO ph adjustment of it or the solution you are feeding with. A good soil will be designed to buffer itself into the proper range within a day or so.
Others say PH is required for proper uptake or that they like to do it because it means the nutrients are ready immediately for the plant to uptake.
I've tried both ways, and have found no PHing to be far less work and the pay off of PHing is negligible if apparent at all. Plus, you dont PH the water until you've added nutrients and PH kits test on a yellow scale, well fark ... with the blue nutrient water and drops that turn yellow, well its all a green WTF? to me lol... K.I.S.S.

any problem seems mostly on the bottom single leaf. just slight discoloration on the next set up. just around the edges. i believe its the "teeth".

This could very easily be -Mg(magnesium), corrected by adding 1/2 tsp of Epsom Salts per gallon of water. Epsom salts can be found at just about any store you go to. They'll be in the health and beauty section. These are also a great muscle relaxer. 1.5 cups of epsoms salts in a bath of hot water will soothe alot of pains away.

how can you tell the difference between over fert and under fert.

Do each of them enough and it will stand out like a sore thumb, lol...

Typically - Over feeding shows in a few ways. Burnt leaf tips STARTing on the upper growth is almost dead give away (just be sure it didnt start at the bottom), as is a very dark deep green look to the plant. Yours have a healthy color now, could stand to be a slight shade greener, but try to avoid DARK green. Thats a build up of N in the leaves and can delay the start of flowering.

Underfeedin starts at the bottom for most elements (except Ca cause its not mobile in the plant). The reason it starts at the bottom is most of those elements are mobile in the plant. If theres no nutrient in the soil the plant will steal from older growth to feed the new growth, thus leaving yellowing leaves down low.

Thats the basics of it for me. Theres more to it then just that, like determining just what nutrient is deficient by looking at the plant, but that is all stuff that comes with observations, reading and experience.

Good luck man and dont start raggin on the bag seed this early, I've seen some amazing grows pulled off with "Just bagseed".

[majestyk5]

i am hopeong for a good bag grow. it was some decent stuff to begin with.
i think my plant is a good color myself. being its my first i am prob hypercritical. like a first time parent rushing their kid to the E.R. for sniffles. but hey i loves my smoke.
it seems to have started from the bottom . first the seed leaves, but thats no big deal, right.
then first set of leaves, ya know only one leaf right. their kinda wilty whatever
now i noticed on the next set up-which has three leaves- theres a little browning at the very points kinda splotchy. and where as all the other leaves are sticking straight out these are kinda rolling under.
i know i shouldnt expect to grow the garden of eden my first try but a fella can dream cant he.
thanks to all those who have and will help me and the wonderful peeps who make this site a reality. i love it. its helped me alot all ready

[majestyk5]

hate to keep going on and on but if its old soil say something might have grown itn there before, that woulkd lower the nutes in the soil.
i stuck this plant inthere not thinking it was gonna do any thing, it was a puny seeding grwig in a tupperware pie slice holder,. any way i stuck in this pot acouple of weeks ago. also grass the regular kind keeps sprouting up.
next seedlings i got going on are getting fresh new soil and new containers.
10 quart gababge bins, ya know the sqaure-ish ones, as soon as the jiffy pots are ready
do seedling need to be waterd more often???
are coyts the embyonic leaf?

[Dawg]

I did not read ALL of the threads...so sorry if this is a redundant answer.
I've had MAJOR PH issues with hyponex potting soil. (why I was "forced" to use MG potting soil :( ) Prolly due to amount of pine bark in it. (at least what I got around here). I grew in it ok....but rinsed the dirt really really well....sorta defeated the purpose of using it. so used I hydro ferts at soil formula level and grew ok.
MG "soyent green" ferts are HOT and have noticed it does cause PH swings.
If the PH swings can lockout nutrients and "mimic" underfert. but adding ferts without correcting the PH will only compound the problem.

[Shadows]

I've had MAJOR PH issues with hyponex potting soil.

I believe the hyponex potting soil issue speaks for itself. I've bought it, still have a bag in my closet but I'll be damned if I'll ever put another plant in it, no matter what the mix. Becomes compacted way to easy and the roots do not grow into it as readily as they should. Dramatically affecting yields.

The bag I have at home resembles a bag of concrete that got wet.

A good commercial potting soil IMO would be
Sta-Green All Purpose
Expert Gardener Organic
even Miracle Grow is good
and Fox Farms is a given

[Dawg]

thanks shadows...
forgot to mention when I did use it ONCE. I had to pick out all the bark, mix in 1/3 perlite and vermiculite. Just to help fluff it up. Much cheaper and easier to buy decent soil. ;)

[CB]

if its old soil say something might have grown itn there before, that woulkd lower the nutes in the soil.


used soil probly doesn't have anything left in it for the plant there for once the coyts start to turn yellow it needs food now....dont know anything about MG or the soil myself

[majestyk5]

darn i have two bags of the crap.
I am going to try and type a little better now, sorry.
I guess I'll just wait and see.

[StoninStanley]

i am hopeong for a good bag grow. it was some decent stuff to begin with.
i think my plant is a good color myself. being its my first i am prob hypercritical. like a first time parent rushing their kid to the E.R. for sniffles. but hey i loves my smoke.




dont worry man every 1st timer is hypercritical lol main thing with the first grow is to learn the growing process and in the end it is a good thing to have a few minor problems in early grows, it teaches you more than it hurts you :D

main thing, if you get to budding DO NOT cut too early, if anything, cut too late. this is one of the most common mistakes and if you want good smoke youll have to control yourself when you see those big juicy buds of crystally goodness hehe :) sometimes it takes a great deal of self control

grow on bro
:pass:

[majestyk5]

that's one of my biggest problems... I have no patience.
Well to the grow room, I half believe my problems is underfeed and maybe water logged. My first feeding i mixed less then half, then i diluted that before i used it. but i had five plants then and i think i fed 4 of them twice. This one some how made it,i musta missed watering it.
The four burnt up. Whether it was, consumption or burn, they died from the bottom up. Anyway one of them is still around, just top two sets of leaves, I mixed a little over half strength and fed it. If anything it looks better, so I took a chance and feed my 4". Then I fed one of my seedlings.
The one little one never grow any more though, afet the leaves started to die.
Sorry about the story, thats the last I'll mention it unless it flowers.

[majestyk5]

sorry forgot to size em

[CB]

get some good soil and ferts and keep track of what you do to each plant...keep a log on each plant :)

check out the user cp for a note pad :D got ton's in mine and keep my grow dairy there and add to it daily

most I know that do use MG have a few grows under there belts first before they mess with it as it can be a bit tricky from what I have seen :)

read around at what some use here and keep grow'n

:pass:

[majestyk5]

thank you friend, that is just what i am going to do. i have heard most of the peeps on this board talking about fox farms brand stuff and i am currently looking into their info.
since i am just beginig, found i know less then i thought i did, i'm not sure about anything.cherm or organic, this or that, and i look forward to learning. i appreciate all the help you and the others on this board have given to me.
i took a chance yesterday and feed my baby alittle and left her alone for 14-15 hours opened up the door and what did i see,,,,a plant that looks like it grew two inches and the new grouwth is like pointing straght up. i imagine thats kinda good huh. my half dead plant looks better too.
woo hoo

[majestyk5]

first one is from monday and the next one is today

[Dawg]

They look fine. i would not worry about em. The new growth is nice and green ;)
The spotting on the first pic...PH is what I think caused that. but the new growth looks great.

[majestyk5]

yep she got taller, see preflower stuff i think. dont have a good magnifying glass yet. i see something just cant really make it out
i cant believe the diff in height when it didnt look like it was doing anything i gotta stay out of there so much.
biggest plant i ever saw in person so its hard