problems, problems, problems

[Cranky]

right folks,
as some of you know,Ive had real fukin probs growing now for the last 2 years now:eek:

Ive been smashing my head against a brick wall trying to find out what the prob is and when i think Ive found the prob and sort it,,the same ol thing happens.

slow growth,no secondary growth,then leaves yellow from the teeth in wards,,,some plants cope better than others but generally still messed up.

Ive grown for about 5 years now and for the first 3 i had no probs at all,then i stopped for about 10 months and ever since then i cant grow shit:mad:

at first i thought it was Ph,,then made sure tap water Ph was fine and tap water is 6.5 -7.0.

so then i moved onto my soils,,i used to use bio bizz light mix and all mix but the prob continued,,,,then i tried DWC,,,same shit happened there,,,fucked about with nute levels,Ph was fine but could never get them feeding right and the end result was the same as what was going on in soil.

so,i then moved back to soil and since then Ive used 4 diff kinds from peat based to john innes,bio bizz but still have this prob...

OK so now I'm thinking disease or somit on my gear so i bleach everything,buy new pots and trays,,,,still same shit goes on...

this leads me to my tap water again...is there to much salts in me water I'm thinking as its happened in hydro and in soil?

but then I'm sure Ive tried rain water and the same shit happened there.....its got to the point where Ive tried everything and still no luck,,,

soils have been fine drainage wise and i water my plants just i did for the first 3 years so i know thats no it either...

only thing left is to go back to the same soil (bio bizz)and try distilled water,,,if no luck then I'm 100% stuck.

so,what ya think?? I'm cumin close now to knocking it on the head,,,2 years growing and no smoke to show for it is pretty soul destroying and in that 2 years Ive probably spent 1000$ and ontop of that,,,still having to buy fukin pants weed:(

any thoughts on this would be fukin great peeps:cool:

thanks in advance

cranky

(you can see some of my plants i grew fine for first 3 years on home page but will post some pics of the prob I'm having tomorrow).

[Sticky_Budz]

Dude sorry to hear that u are having these problems especially for two years and haven't figured it out.
What is your set up now are u growing in a grow box closet basement? also what kind of lights you using have u change anything at all with the light system Are these the same lights u grew with before? how is your air circulation in the room? I'm kinda dumbfounded here because it sounds like u checked all your problems i was thinking a PH problem its Too high or too low a pH can lock up nutrients in the form of undissolvable salts and compounds, some of which are actually toxic to the plants
well i hope we all can bang are heads together and figure out this problem so u can get your grow on good luck peace

[Dawg]

Man, tough one...green thumbs don't just vanish.
Another guy been reading elsewhere having the same kinda trouble...nothing grows. Then found out he was in a basement. So we mentioned getting it checked for Radon.
Are you using an ozone gen. to clean the air out? I would start looking at the air. make sure its on the up n up.
Go back to what worked first. and yeah r/o bottled water might not be a bad idea. or check the PPM of your water. I know my city water changes every year (stupid lake water). (local municipal building should provide the service). I don't know if you live in a city or not, but because of my area rainwater is not the best stuff. I woulnd't drink it :p.

[Cranky]

cheers for the input lads;)

sticky mate,
air flow is fine and i use a room of about 8ft x 10ft but only use 4x4ft,temps are 75-82f, have 9inch fan blowing on um gently,I'm also lucky enough to leave the window open 24/7 so theres plenty of fresh air in there.

lights-Ive used 3 x 4ft flouros,1 x 125w envirolite and a 400w hps all used separate so its not the lighting.ain't used any feed for ages as i ain't got that far into veg:(

dawg buddy,
funny enough CB was going on about the same thread to do with radon gas.from what Ive read on it its one of the heaviest gases and my new location is 4 stories up so not sure if thats the prob, but still having the same prob in both locations...new location is only 5 mins walk away so one thing i do know is that the two locations Ive grown in shares the same water supply.

as for ppms,,,my tap water has ranged from 35-45ppm over the last 3 years....

tizz a real head fuck for sure...like ya say..ya dont just loose a greenfinger over night....but it seems Ive lost 2thumbs 8 fingers and i dont know where the fuck they goto:p

distilled water it is then, and I'm gonna grab some soil and water testing kits this sat when i gets some cash;)

thanks for ya input

cranks

[SNAPS]

damn bro thats some weird shit

hope you find your greenthumb;)

[wakka]

the only item I didn't hear was a light leak.

[Dawg]

don't think it would be light leak related. He can't get em to veg.
lights...ok
ventilation...ok (does HVAC get shared across the whole building or is it your own supply/air handler?) If it is not a zoned HVAC building might be pickin up some baddies from the neighbors. Been in a hi-rise in pitt that each floor was a zone. yuk.
water supply...ok
soil...should be ok

Wait...Do you smoke in/near the grow area? Cigs/fags not good in grow area. You prolly know this already anyway worth a mention.

Just tossin ideas out man.

[CB]

hey M8,

after 2 years and many many hours spent chat'n with you on this prob has done my head in as well:)

I have seen some great grows in the old spot and then to have them just start dye'n one day then every time you try after is odd....

I can say this much tho from what i know about your grows (which is alot) I dont think it's you....

doubt it's the city water either because pretty much if you can drink it you can grow in it ;) the ppm is very low to start and the ph is ok as well

here's what i would do if it was me bro

strip the grow room done and scrub it from top to bottom getting everything cleaned include'n power cords and all with bleach

get a bag of almix and use a drop ph test kit (incase the meter is bunk) and try to ph at 7. If you get to the point of feed'n use biobizz...

It's weird that the plants do great for a couple weeks then die in a matter of days for no reason....I know I have asked before but is there anyone that might have access to the grow????

not real up on airborne problems but you could have packed the problem over to the new growI dont know.

search on airborne diseases and see if there might be somit better than bleach to clean with, maybe even a bomb of sorts?

not much left to check really but the air

:confused

[SNAPS]

Good advice there CB

One thing you said that also crossed my mind (but i didnt post it) was if anybody else had access to the grow??

eitherway hope you manage to sort this out;)

[Cranky]

snaps,

nice one;)

wakka
light leaks aint a prob as im on 24/7 ;)

dawg
ventalation aint shared mate but i do have an air filter that sucks air from each room in the gaff but i blocked the grow room one off just incase smells got out. as for smokin round me plants,,,i used to sit and smoke often during my early days in my room until i found out it was bad for um but thats when they all grew fine and never had a prob doing so as the ventalation was fine i guess.

CB,
first off,thanks for putting up with my rants about this shit for such along time;)and as for soil and my methods,i know ya right mate and as for other peeps having access to my plants,well the wife used to but as for this new place,only me gos there.

so yep,disease could be a factor and have thought this before so i bleached the room then run a flame over all gaps n cracks(do not try this yourself!!)bleached again and then finaly painted walls cieling and even the floor with plain ol matt emulsion.everything got a good going over ,bulbs,cables reflectors plugs everything:(

gonna bump up the ph on my water to 7.2,7.3 and flush the fuck out of um...ph of water is 6.6 at the mo and when i first tested my water when i got the metre it was 7.2..there dying as it is so got fuck all to loose really,,goto try somit and all i can do at the mo is fuck about with ph levels:(

thanks all for the feed back...hopefully we can sort this out ;)

nice one peeps

cranky

[CB]

wack them pics up when ya can and give us the skinny on whats been done so far...


:watch:

[SNAPS]

If you've had this problem for two years im not going to try and offer some silly answers as by the looks of it you've covered all your bases and tried everything i would have, maybe more.

I can understand how frustrating this can be. esp as you've got some excellent grows under your belt.

One thing i noticed or maybe you've already covered this.......

How old is the seed? is it from a fresh batch? Are you using clones from a friend? Just wondering if getting known cuts in that growroom to run alongside identical cuts elsewhere to see where the prob develops would be any good??

im just clutching at straws trying to help.

a picture speaks a 1000 words bro:D

[Cranky]

this grow,
started off like this

http://www.homegrownbud.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=11512&stc=1&d=1188254054

week later they were looking like this

http://www.homegrownbud.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=11513&stc=1&d=1188254054

looks to be mg deff when the prob first starts

http://www.homegrownbud.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=11514&stc=1&d=1188254054

also notice the lack of secondry growth

http://www.homegrownbud.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=11515&stc=1&d=1188254054

and when all was fine n dandy i grew like this :rolleyes:

http://www.homegrownbud.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=11516&stc=1&d=1188254054http://www.homegrownbud.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=11517&stc=1&d=1188254054

cheers peeps

cranky

[Cranky]

snaps,

ive had seeds from afar and had clones straight out of a grow room thats running fine(seen the grow many times and the fella has no probs,just gives me um straight out the cab like;) but keep um commin peeps,,,time to sort this shit out once and for all;)

CB,
was just doing that as ya posted:)

again,thanks for the feedback:)

cranks

[SNAPS]

Looking at the first set of pics compared to the ones taken a week later... the soil looks a little soggy in both pics & not much perlite in there?

initially id say overwatering causing ph/nute lock probs.. but i know youve checked that.

so im stumped mate:rolleyes:

[Cranky]

yep,all checked and pics are taken after watering and as for the perlite,when all was good,sometimes i used it somtimes i didnt...never noticed any diff to be honest as the soil has plenty of drainage,,,well,that stuff in the pics did,since then i repotted into dff soil that was abit earthy so they got a shitload of perlite but one week after there alot worse.

will grab pics of them in new stuff tomorrow.

latest soil there in is john innes number 1

the old man used it and had great results.

stumped,,,,baffled mate,fuking nut house material.

gonna run some tests on the diff soils ive got,cups of tap water and what happens to the ph of the tap water when i add a couple of tablespoons of the diff soils to it.

show you that the ph is ok in the soils like,,,saying that, i did fuck up with one soil...had real low ph but still have probs regardless with the rest.

grab more pics tomorrow for yas;)
EDIT: forgot to say cb,i grabbed some ph buffer 4 to go with the 7 i got and the metre reads true going from one and then to the other so im hopeing the metres fine mate.

cranky

[SNAPS]

cant be the soil. notif you have the same problem in hydro.

has to be environment then? hows the airflow? intake/exhaust.

im no expert so im just gonna sit back and shut up. maybe i'll learn something?!

[Dawg]

but i blocked the grow room one off just incase smells got out.


I know you guys think this is going to be a silly question.....
When you closed it off did the problems start or were they growing fine with it blocked?
Just wondering as you said you have 1 window open and the vent blocked. not sure how well it's circulating. dumb question I know...just pulling the last straw so to speak for me anyway.

I hope you figure it out cranky. I'm out of ideas man.

[Cranky]

nice one dawg,

yep,like i say,,,i had these probs before moving the grow to this new gaff like.big old window open a good foot at all times.

basically i just got a sleeping bag hanging up over the window and ya can see it being pushed in and then sucking out if ya gets me,,,plus the osculating fan;)

so plenty of clean air dude:)

only thing that remains the same is the water as its on the same supply.

fucked up aye,,,,2 fukin years i been bangin my head at it lol.

enough to drive yas potty....thats the only link i can find between so called schizophrenia and weed and thats the growing side of it lol:D

cranky

[wakka]

quick question, do new plants and slightly older plants die at the same time? if you have a couple that have been in for a week or two, then you put in some newer ones, do the older ones die off first, or do they go at the same time as new ones? staggered dyeing I guess?

[Sticky_Budz]

Hey cranky have u tried to grow in a different room yet? maybe u should give that a shot just to see how the plants do in a different room.
you could have mold in that room that could be giving u bad air quality in that room dont matter if you have a window in there that would just help the mold in that room to grow stronger the mold may not be visible could be in the walls and where you have had a grow room in there in the past the mold could of started back then just a suggestion

[Sticky_Budz]

Indoor houseplants are a serious source of indoor mold growth because of the watering of the plants increasing indoor humidity and because mold species love to live on plants, thus making each plant into a factory producing airborne mold spores to mold cross contaminate your apartment. Even without plants, living close to the ocean is going to mean high humidity and very likely mold growth. You should use a digital hygrometer to check your indoor humidity level. You can buy one from a large hardware or home improvement store. If the indoor humidity exceeds 50 to 60%, you have invited mold to be a permanent guest in your apartment.

[WilliamClarkeQuantrill]

Whats the humidity? Looks like they aren't feeding very well at all. you sure they aren't over watered? Do the roots fill the containers?

[Cranky]

hehe,

i can see yas all banging ya heads against the wall like myself on this shit:o

wakka
well mate some strains cope better than others which again makes me think its a Ph prob.if the probs start real early like in the first few days then they end up dead in a week.

take alook at the pics again..notice the seedlings?they were all started at the same time,,,the ones on the right in smaller pots are dead where as the others are still ill but not as bad,again it makes me think Ph probs as some strains cope better than others.

sticky,
not only diff rooms but totally diff house/flat/apartment;)
its deffo not mold,iv worked as a damp proofer for a few years and the first sign of damp would show up as aspigillus or black mold...as there is a window open in there 24/7 water vapor wont build up as water vapor will always head for the coldest part of the house and cling on(this is why you always see moisture build up on ya windows first thing in the morning;)) as there is a place for water vapor to escape this should not be a prob;)

WCQ,
how do mate:)nice of yas to chime in;)
Rh is low if anything bro,struggle to get it above 45 and some roots grow better than others....some look real healthy,again,all depends on the strain.as for over watering,Ive tried all diff amounts at some point even where Ive been giving very little so Ive had to water every 2 days so I'm sure thats not it either:(

somit just keeps shouting out Ph Ph ph....time for side by side grow with diff soils being watered with diff ph'ed water levels me thinks...more fukin head bangin:shrug:

once again folks,,thanks for all the input...gonna look into this Ph lark abit more today...diff soils,diff suspension of Ph in soils and all that fukin malarkey:(

will grab them pics in abit and do the ol soil tests;)

laters all

cranky

[RedEyezzzzz]

Cranks, sorry to hear of your plight. That's some weird shit alright. I read this thread a day ago & it's been bothering me since. I searched the web a bit & the closest thing I could find is a fungus condition called Crown Rot.

Crown Rot:
Tips of outer leaves die. The dead tissue develops until the entire leaf is dead. As rot progresses inward at the base of the plant, the leaves collapse. White fan-like fungus growth may be seen between leaves near the ground line. Rhizomes are not destroyed but are weakened. Light tan to brown fungal structures, the size of mustard seeds, are present on rhizomes and on the base of the plant.

Solution:
Treat the area with a properly labeled fungicide.

[Cranky]

nice redzzzzzz,
pretty sure its not fungi,Ive used dythin945 on everything at some point to see if it was a fungi but still this prob goes on(when i say everything i mean when cleaning the equipment);)

right,just got back from the ol soil tests(no pics forgot the cam) but its fekin me head right up.

tap water is about 6.5-6.6,,,when i add a some soil to the water the Ph is dropping to below 5.0 .

I'm not even sure if this is giving a true reading as theres bits of soil n shit floating about the sensor on the meter??

even when i Ph the water to above 9.0:eek: the Ph still drops to below 5.0 when i add some soil:(

this had happened with all the soils Ive tested,even the bio bizz stuff.

will grab the soil test kit and Ph kit foe testing my water on sat...fuck all i can do until then.

as for the plants...some still live but not well and others have died:mad:

just have to wait until sat i guess.

thanks all

cranky

[Dawg]

Now that is some strange PH dives. Have you tried it in distilled water? by one gallon of it and test each soil out of the same gallon of distilled? Scrap the tap so to speak?

[Cranky]

will do mate,gonna grab a bottle now;)

cranky

[CB]

right,just got back from the ol soil tests(no pics forgot the cam) but its fekin me head right up.

tap water is about 6.5-6.6,,,when i add a some soil to the water the Ph is dropping to below 5.0 .

I'm not even sure if this is giving a true reading as theres bits of soil n shit floating about the sensor on the meter??



hey bro,

really don't think that is the way to test soil ph... using a ph pen doesn't work that way:)

you need a kit or tester for soil not water ;)

save your money on the distilled water for now and grab a soil test kit or meter

peace

[Sticky_Budz]

ya cb has a point there try it and see what u get there:D

[Shadows]

hey bro,

really don't think that is the way to test soil ph... using a ph pen doesn't work that way:)

you need a kit or tester for soil not water ;)

save your money on the distilled water for now and grab a soil test kit or meter

peace

Agreed, but atleast 2 test and get the distilled water. 1 test using tap and the other using distilled. If you're buying a commercial mix of soil, using distilled water should give you a proper reading. Using your tap you'd want the end result to be similar.

If your tap has a high EC, maybe its time to get a RO filter or plan to buy distilled water by the 5 gallon every 3-4 days.

Good luck with it cranky and stay at it. theres a way :)

[Dawg]

thanks for seein where i was goin with it shadows...sometimes hard to put into words. sorry if I was confusing. I was tryin to find a "neutral" ground so to speak....but i'm a stoner. :p

[Cranky]

OK peeps,,,first off i wanna thank everybody for there 2 bobs worth on this;) went to the flat last night and noticed that a few were looking alot better on the new growth ,even some secondary growth coming through(i put it down to the new soil)

in the first pic you can see 3 plants the bottom left one looking the worst...so i thought,lets take a peak at that foogers roots and as you can see in the second pic,there ain't any showing through the ball,so lets look inside and i find that the root system is very poor/thin...

so then i think OK,lets look at the other 2 foogers roots and as you can see from the last pic they have healthy roots coming through.:)

now as for this grow,my window has gone as my landlord will be round at the beginning of Nov and i didn't want to wast time,electric or risk to flower a few problem plants and have very little to show for it in the end.

so,i say lets use the time to get ready for me next grow:)
gonna bleach fuck out of the grow room/maybe even the whole flat and dyathin 945 for good measure. then I'm gonna grow some hemp for a few weeks to iron out these probs before i put in the good beans.

so all new pots,
new soil(bio bizz)
new nutes bio bizz
new hps ballast n bulbs

out with the OLD and in with the NEW:D

to be honest my probs i reckon have been not just 1 prob but a few....maybe fungi spores left in pots somewhere or on equipment?maybe under watering and over watering but mainly poor soil.

the hemp will let us know aye....feelin abit greener already folks after seeing them roots and the green coming back into the plants....basicly the last soil change did the trick there but still think other issues have been going on like i say...

proper fresh start i say...will get some hemp going for the week end;)

once again..thanks to all that replied and maybe this thread may help others in the future.

cranky

[drumin]

I was thinking you might have a PH problem that you are missing. Try using different methods of testing. I was having PH problems a while back and found out my PH testing pen was out of whack. Now I use the pen (I check it with a solution occasionally now) as well as a fish tank test kit to verify. I also bought a RO system off Ebay and only use RO water and I double test the PH before and after mixing nutes in the water jugs.

Then again, WTF do I know. I've still got problems of my own that I haven't figured out! :D

[gorilla]

I still think cranky just stinks at growing, but, what do I know.





hehehe. :p

[The Hooded Claw]

Wel Cranks me ole mucker. WTF has ben going on over at he Cs house matey? I didn't think you were growing :shrug:

For what my penny is worth, to me it looks like they're too wet. I know you said the 'room' humidity is high if anything, but that's the room humidity and not what ball of moisture the plants are constantly sitting in. Also, you said you have a window open 24/7 which could bring the rooms atmospheric humidity down, but again, this reading is not what the plants are sitting in. I know you have a room fan fella but.....
So over watering is my opinion but there's more......

John Innes No1. Cranks are you adding anything to the base mix you get in the sack? You said your old chap used it but the base mixes change without it being bought to your attention via a big sticker on the front of the sack!

IMO John Innes is too rich in Peat. If I were you I'd be removing peat from my mix altogether as a start. Going with the all-mix or even better, the Canna Pro+ would be a good move ;)

I can't add more than that Cranks and I wish I had a definitive answer for you matey :( I think sticking with mj specific products would be a good move, and also... going NFT :2cents:

Good luck fella.

[gorilla]

IMO John Innes is too rich in Peat. If I were you I'd be removing peat from my mix altogether as a start. Going with the all-mix or even better, the Canna Pro+ would be a good move ;)

I can't add more than that Cranks and I wish I had a definitive answer for you matey :( I think sticking with mj specific products would be a good move, and also... going NFT :2cents:

This is some crazy specific advice. For anyone other than Cranky reading this, I have never had any problems with peat. I don't overuse it, but a lot of mixes come with it pre-mixed, and I usually add it to pots that I'm using a significant amount of manure or mulch in. Another bit of opinion, I don't believe that you need MJ specific products to grow pot. I've had success with many different types of soil. Obviously, some are better than others. But they are just plants/weeds after all.

Not trying to undermine ya, burns. Peace,
G.

[The Hooded Claw]

Rilla.

But they are just plants/weeds after all.

Ruderails yes. But I doubt Cranky has dropped his guard enough to even contemplate growing 'weeds' :laugh:

This is some crazy specific advice. .
Is it? You may use it with success. The next guy will have such a variable set up, city water, feed programme, feed schedule, lighting, air movement etc etc.... so what one person adjusts to perfection will be another growers poison, which is why were all here surely :shrug:
Adivising someone to go mj specific product after 2-3 years of failure I see as a positive comment :shrug: After all, commercial compost can be stored indoors or outdoors and may have been left moist or if B&Q, dry, wet, dry, wet, dry wet........... :mad:
Another bit of opinion, I don't believe that you need MJ specific products to grow pot.
Nor do I. 100%. But I do believe the thread was started by someone asking opinions and a request on any angle they 'may' think would help :shrug:

Going mj Specific is a positive step forward IMHO.....

Hence my post.

[SNAPS]

yo cranky!

Hey fella gutted you couldn't get a grow on before the landlord turns up..personally i think those plants were a bit overwatered.

why waste time on hemp? Grow out some of those beans and find yourself some mothers?

Guess you can't beat the allmix eh? Thats the only soil i'm gonna use. I've tried a few commercial mixes and the plants don't grow the same. What made you stray from biobizz anyway?

I'm running nft at the moment. I'm happy with the results so far in terms of results and time taken but nothing beats the taste of good bud grown in biobizz.

[CB]

John Innes No1. Cranks are you adding anything to the base mix you get in the sack? You said your old chap used it but the base mixes change without it being bought to your attention via a big sticker on the front of the sack!

IMO John Innes is too rich in Peat. If I were you I'd be removing peat from my mix altogether as a start.

I researched this the other day Claw :eek: bout the same thing i said to him in chat ;) think he even added peat :eek: could be wrong there :)

It's really low in ph from the bag like 5.0-6.0

last set of pics are in some new soil since last week.... cranks should have the links to both john Innes and the new soil:D

[Cranky]

wish i had more time to reply folks but its a day out with the kiddies and I'm pushed for time..

quickly,,,

as for john innes no1 claw,its probably got the lowest peat content of any soil Ive ever used mate...its like mud.if i use it again i know it would benefit from a little peat.

as for when all was well growing wise...i always started my plants off in a 100% peat based compost and never had any probs..same stuff i always use for cloning to;)

as for the hemp snaps....only growing it cuzz its goto be chopped before the landlord comes round..last time i had 30 plants at 3ft tall hidden behind a matrice and him standing about 4 ft away.....that will get the old heart racing like so as i only got 8 weeks...theres no time but thats not to say i can start a few a few weeks before then move um in when hes fucked off;)

will add more when i gets back this afternoon

thanks again

cranky

[Cranky]

doh...cant delete double post

ltrz all

[SNAPS]

totally didn't realise its november in 8weeks!

Better get started on some xmas smoke i think!

Anyways keep it green fella

[gorilla]

Hello THC. I started my post with: To anyone other than Cranky, assuming that someone may read your post and feel that what you said is the "right" answer, and/or the only answer. I tried my best not to direct my comments at you, or start an argument with you, but it seems you are a stubbornly proud person and wanted to take this to the next level?

I think saying that "weed" isn't a "weed" is rediculous, regardless of how much of it's genetics have been changed or how specific it is to get you high. It is just a weed, a plant.. it's green, it has roots, and it likes dirt: just like other plants.

I didn't say that going MJ specific was a negative comment. What makes you feel the need to prove to me that it is a positive comment? I'm rather sure Cranky has tried this before, and again: my comment was directed towards people 'other than cranky' who may be reading through trying to learn.

But I do believe the thread was started by someone asking opinions and a request on any angle they 'may' think would help No shit. :rolleyes:

Good job taking offense to everything I said in my last post, and giving me a condescending, negative, and sarcastic attitude. I'm here any time you wanna go.

-gorilla

[Cranky]

simmer down lads...its each to their own..

we cant all agree all the time;)

THC,,,thanks for the advice;)

g-man..same to you to;)

lets keep the thread on the right track aye.

Rh in the room is between about 50-55 in the day and 35 -40 at night. so i dont think my Rh has been the prob,plus lets not forget,,,i was having these probs in my old gaff/cab and the growing environment was the same there as it was when i was growing good;)


as for over wartering...take alook at the seedlings in the small 2 inch pots..they got water so there was just a trickle coming out but yet they were the first to go:(...

if anything,,,,under watering may of been an issue..when i split open them root balls in the pics the soil was pretty dry...no wilting on the plants but still pretty dry to the touch..

like i say...i think its been a few things...when i go to sort one prob out i could of been causing another and so on.

so ya,,,,,back to basics...

bio bizz light mix to start and then all mix after 2 weeks.
bio grow for veg
bio bloom for flower

thats it....good fukin clean down and start some hemp..ill also be building a 4.5 x 4.5 cab in the room so the plants have their own little environment and will be easier to manage..

getting a new ballast n bulbs for flowering and also getting the old mans quad envirolite reflector for veg with 2 white bulbs and 2 red bulbs.

will also be hooking up the 100m rvk fan and i also will have the carbon scrubber going for the first time.

if the probs continue then you can all wack me about the head with a smelly rotten trout:D

cheers guys,real appreciate it!!

cranky

[Cranky]

oh ya,,as CB said,,new soil in them pics...no1 john innes with just perlite added...

real earthy stuff,,,would do the drainage a load of good me thinks and the old man did the same for the same reason like.

good ol bio bizz should do the job I'm sure although thats not 100%.....last time i used it my plants fucked up the same way as the rest of the soils have done over the years and thats why i been scratching my goolies this whole time trying to sus out wtf been going wrong:(

new start with avengance coming up:cool:

if no joy I'm gonna go live with THC:p...he seems to have his shit dialed in nicely these days;)


cranky

[Dawg]

Good luck cranky, I am just heartbroken a dude with the grows i seen outa ya having this much trouble. Good green mojo your way bro. :D

[gorilla]

Glad things are under way Cranky. Sorry for bringing your thread a bit off track in my last post. I should have typed my attitude in a private message.

THC, I don't want to argue with you and I promise I don't even care enough to be mad. :o Caught me the wrong way before. I just didn't like how your post attempted to make me sound silly. I am under the teaching that growing weed is simple, as it should be, and it can be done in an abundant of different ways. Let's agree to disagree, grow, smoke, and be friends.

-gorilla

[Cranky]

cheers ladz and no worries g-man;)

tizz allllll gooooooood fella:)

cranks

[StoninStanley]

sending you good green vibes cranky - i got a feeling that this grow is the one that is gonna get you stoned! :)