arnold gets dirty with soma 10 X ak47

[arnold layne]

hey all-
it's been well over a year since my last grow.
i've been looking foward to this for quite a while.......

i'm starting with the basics, some mother plants.
i put 6 soma10 x ak47 beans in the paper towels a week ago.
after they broke, i put them in jiffy pots under a humidity dome. the soil in the jiffy pots was very lightly nuted with seaweed extract.
they have come up, and have been transferred to pots and placed under 400w mh about 36" away.
a fan blows a constant gentle breeze just above the little one's pots, and they are being lightly misted twice a day with ph'd water with just a hint of seaweed.
the mix is fox farms ocean, plus about 1/3 pearlite.
i'm watering with tap water. 20ppm, ph'd to 6.5-6ish.
temp at plants is 76f, rh is 50-60%
the plan is to grow 'em out, and hope for a couple of strong fems.
organic is the intended diet.
if this goes as planned, i'll have a coupe of nice mother plants, and some kick butt smoke before too long.

this might be intresting.......

peace-
arnold layne

[gorilla]

I got a front row seat. :cool:

I'll definitely be around for this one, Arnold.

Peace dude!
-G

[arnold layne]

thankx, gorilla.
i've been a dwc guy for a while, and this is gonna be my first soil grow in many, many years.
i'll be happy if i don't maim them.
:D

peace-
arnold layne

[gorilla]

You should be fine, Arnold! Most of my nutrient problems stem from letting the soil get too dry, or waiting too long to feed them something other than water. :p I figure as long as you're on top of that, an organically grown plant shouldn't have too much more to complain about.

Can't wait to see.
-G

[Elephunt man]

Very cool.:cool: Thanks for the details, junkie for that here.:D

Mucho mojo mi amigo, I hope for many females.:mmmm: :cheers: :sunny:

Eman:coffee:

[Shadows]

yup, count me in as well Arnold. Dont remember the last time I watched one of your grows, so Im looking forward to this.

later bro
NDS

[arnold layne]

hey gorilla- thanx. ths will also be my 1st organic grow. i'm kind of a sucker for the gh flora series, and this will definately be different.

hey em-
thanx. i'll try to keep it as detailed as possible.....:)

hey shadows- welcome aboard. my last journal over at the "other place" was aborted on 9/23/'05, when i found out i was gonna move back to cali. i wasn't sure i was going to be able to grow again for a while (my landlord is a homocide detective :eek:), but i've located a safe space and am ready to raise some good smoke again.

since the site is a good 45min drive from my house, i'll only be going out there every 2-3 days. on the one hand, it's kind of frustrating being that far away. i like to check in on my girls twice a day, and it will take some getting used to. this is also the main reason i decided to go with soil for my mothers......if i need to be away from them for a couple of days, it's no biggie. i wouldn't want to leave a hydro res unattended for anything longer than 24hrs. when growing hydro, i like to push the plants to their max, and that's something that requires constant attention and maintenance.
i'm hoping that by the time i'm ready to take cuttings, i'll have my commute down a bit better, and can proceed with the hydro again.
i was also entertaining the idea of having the vital info (ppm, ph, rh, temps) available by computer, so i could keep an eye on things without having to be there every day. it would be a strong argument for a single res system as opposed to the bubblers i usually use, since i would only have to set it up to remotely monitor one res instead of many. it would also make sense to use a single res system if growing from clones, as the nute requirements would not be as varied as when i grow multiple strains.
hmmmmm.
i have a bit of time before that would be necessary, so for now i'll just play in the dirt.

peace-
arnold layne

[The Hooded Claw]

Arnold has moved to sunny Cali then?

So the homicide detective, a dead end job if ever I've heard of one.

Good luck on the soil Arnold. Lots of glob from this corner.

Burnsy.

[arnold layne]

hey burnsy-
yup. moved out here in dec 05. the caretaking job i took on when i got here is what's kept me too off track to grow, journal, or even hang out on the boards (or even leave the house, for that matter).
that responsibility has been fulfilled, and now i'm trying to pick up where i left off.
man, it's good to be back to growing and journaling.

homocide detective. dead end job.
you can probably hear me groaning from there.....
:D

peace-
arnold layne

[The Hooded Claw]

you can probably hear me groaning from there.....
:D

peace-
arnold layne

Yep. I needed to present some floored humour just so you knew it were me.

I'm pleased to see you again Al. Cali holds a flame in my heart and no-where less than Carpinteria on the Ventura highway.
I was playing texas holdem with a guy from Auburn earlier tonight. The Sierras are another love of mine but the memories of Carp go way back and deep....

I'm rootin for you on this grow AL. How about some predictions? Mine is over or under watering...... but with muchos smoke-us....

That leaves a lot for me to ignore and just watch from the pull pit :p

Good to see you AL and muchos Globus....

Burnsy...

[CB]

whats with the dirt? :rolleyes:


:pass:

[arnold layne]

hey burnsy-
cali is cool enough, but i really miss the midwest still.
they don't get thunderstorms like that out here.
then again, i have the redwoods, the ocean, the mountains, and prop 215.
oh, and anderson's split pea soup.
it could suck a lot worse.


How about some predictions? Mine is over or under watering

i was thinking that, or perhaps ph issues.
i already have it figured out that 5.7 is a no no for soil, and that roots swimming in water is only for hydro, so i might be over the hump...
:D

hey cb-
as i mentioned, to me, soil is lower maintenance than hydro. i just don't have the time to be there the 2x a day that i would want to be if i was running hydro.
besides, i want to rethink my approach. that ultrasonic fog thing was cool to play with, but i don't really want to experiment with strange technology at this point. the main goal is quality smoke, and lots of it. i want to be able to focus more on perfection of the plants, than of the perfection of the device used to grow it. dwc is good for growing larger plants, but i'm thinking sog, and changing out a bunch of buckets gets hard on my back. flood tables would be a good idea, but i think aero may be the ticket for me. i still have all of my old gear.....recycle timers, a 45psi 3gpm pump (i'm not talking sprinker aero, i'm talking the kind of mist you see come on once n a while at the veg aisle at a grocery store), pvc fenceposts, etc. i want to take my time, and build a decent, reliable system, yet one that will be geeky enough for me to have fun building it.
the ideas are just ideas at this point, but i do see some big fun a bit down the line....
for now, i've got 6 little girls in dirty buckets, but my cool milwaukee meter wont work on 'em, and i can't stick an airstone in them.
i'm confused.
at least i got to use my seaweed goo on them.....
:D

peace-
arnold layne

[CB]

cb[/B]-
as i mentioned, to me, soil is lower maintenance than hydro. i just don't have the time to be there the 2x a day that i would want to be if i was running hydro.


ya was just mess'n with ya bro :p

got my DWC ready to fire up here now except will probly be a tomato of sorts :rolleyes:

grow on

[arnold layne]

hey cb-
man, bubbler tomatoes. that sounds like a pretty good idea
if i only got more than 3 hrs of direct sunlight........

hey all-
so, i went out to the garden last night.
they're still small.
they're trying, but they're still small.
what's that about watched pot?
most of them are well on their way, the 2 in the back are kinda slow.
they were a bit dryish (1.5" down), so they got watered with h2o ph'd to 6.5, with a bit of superthrive. misting leaves in the morning with h2o/seaweed.

temp: 80f rh: 45%
certainly not ideal, but it is what it is. its startin' to get warm around here....
i'll try to come up with a humidifier tomorrow.
i know there's gotta be one at the thrift store........

peace-
arnold layne

[arnold layne]

hey all-
so, more of same.
some are bigger, some are drastically smaller. all are getting the same of everything.
hmmmm......
temps are 80f lights on, i don't know what lights off temp is (i'm never there at lights off). rh is 45-50%.
gonna put the humidifier in this weekend.

i hope all are well.
peace-
arnold layne

[CB]

some are bigger, some are drastically smaller.

that they are :p looking good bro :)

good to see ya post a grow again thats for sure ;)

relax and enjoy my friend

:pass:

[gorilla]

Hey Arnold, they look happy. I dont know what you're worrying about. :p I say at this point any delay in growth is just because the roots are still settling in. That's a decent pot size for little guys. I could wrong.

Do like CB said. :watch:

:pass:
Peace. - Gorilla.

[arnold layne]

....and i'm back.
been working 10-15hr days this week, and haven't had much time to go to the garden. upon my arrival tonight, i was happy to see that 3 of them are really starting to take off.
it's been a bit on the warm side out here, and the temps in the grow room haven't gone below 80f at lights on, with a rh of 45-50. i just turned on the extraction fan, and it's dropped 6deg f, but now my rh is 40.
i'd like to see 74f, 60%rh (or better). still working on it....
gonna go get some food for them day after tomorrow. a few of them are looking a little hungry.....

peace-
arnold layne

[swissmj]

looking good arnold.
even just putting a bucket of water in the grow room can help raise humidity.

all the best cant wait to see these kids take of

cheers swissmj

[arnold layne]

hey swissmj-
i actually have a 20gal tub filled with water sitting in the room right now...
i need to put some towels in there, suspended from the ceiling and into the bucket, and with a fan blowin' on them. that should help...

[peakguy]

Arnold, I live in a spot that is so arid the humidy doesn't get to 50% when it's raining, so I have a hard time controlling the humidity in my grow room. But even with low humidity in there (40-50% for the most part) the gurlz always do well and I don't find that I have to water them any more frequently than the normal schedules one sees posted. I'm sure your grow will rock, good luck.

[arnold layne]

hey all-
went out to the garden last night.
they're looking good.
gave them a good watering with 250ppm pure blend pro, ph'd to 6.3.
1k eye was added as well. that raised the temps to 80f, rh is 45%.
foliar spraying with light maxicrop solution.
i think they might be getting somewhere now.....
:D

peace-
arnold layne

[Fred Lemonjello]

Looking outstanding AL!
Great to see things are coming along.
....... good luck on the grow.


Fred

[arnold layne]

thanx, fred.
i was hoping i wouldn't have killed them with kindness by now, and i haven't.
being so excited about growing again, and moving from hydro to soil, i was sure i'd have over watered or overfed them by now.
fortunately, i've kept my "p" tool fairly well oiled and ready for use (sounds kinda racey, no?).
just remembering that things happen slower in soil has kept me in check.
i'll tell ya tho, i can't wait 'til these babies are giving me clones.....
then it will be full on hydro madness.....or perhaps another aero contraption....

peace-
arnold layne

[arnold layne]

hey all-
so, one of the girls was starting to get pretty curly.....then i moved her under the mh, and away from the hps, and within 24hrs she started to un-curl.
this was also done at the same time that i put an 8" intake duct in.
i think that between that and the crispy leaves on some of the others, my concerns about 86f and 35%rh causing heat stress were well founded.
the situatin has been remedied, so we'll see what happens....
here are some pics.
the 1st one is the plant that was curling so bad. seems she's trying to go straight.
you can see some of the crispy spots i was talking about on some of the others.
i have also discovered that i have thrips, and the room is being bombed as i type this (hmmm, i wonder if that's what's causing the leaf damage?).
i'll be going back out today to see how they're doing, and to start setting up a dedicated mother/clone/veg room.

peace-
arnold layne

[CB]

i've kept my "p" tool fairly well oiled and ready for use

:eek:

hehe nothing like a bubbler is there :) what could be done in 2-3 hours now needs 2-3 days ;)

plants look good bro and doubt the temps coused much damage really to the end product thats on the way :D

grow on


:pass:

[gorilla]

I see it the same way CB does. Doesn't look like serious damage to me. :p

Fix it. :D

-G

[arnold layne]

:eek:

hehe nothing like a bubbler is there :) what could be done in 2-3 hours now needs 2-3 days ;)


man, you're not kidding, cb...
i'm beginning to wonder why, givern the fact that i was trying to raise mother plants, i chose to grow them in dirt. the growth rate in dwc is so much faster...

hey gorilla-
i'm tryin' i'm tryin....
:D

so, the stressed spots look a bit worse, but the new growth looks ok, as does the larger plant that was drooping so bad. i'm also looking at them, and thinking phosphorus deficiency. notice the red coloration on the stems....
ph is in range, so i don't think it's a lockout...
the propaganda for pure blend pro says it's a stand alone deal.
i don't think so.....
getting some more food for them tomorrow.....see if i can't snap them out of it...

peace-
arnold layne

[arnold layne]

hey all-
so, went out to the garden last night after a 3 day absence.
they're still growing, but a few are showing some interveinal discoloration. they were fed with 3/4 strength nutes the last time i was out, so all i can think of is lockout due to ph being off (altho the solution i last watered with was ph'd to 6.5).
the temps are down to 72f, with 45%rh.
i watered with plain h2o, ph'd to 6.5. we'll see how it goes with the new growth.
all 6 of them are now under 400w mh only, in the dedicated veg room.
i still have a few of these beans left, as well as a bunch of 2"x2" and 4"x4" rockwool cubes.
i'm thinking about germing them and getting some dwc going.
the soil thing is a fun experiment, but i want rapid growth, and lots of clones. i would really like to have something started in the flower room soon. i think that going back to dwc might be the answer for me.
i'm not giving up on these kids, however, and will grow them out to see what they do.
here are some pics.

peace-
arnold layne

[CB]

i'm thinking about germing them and getting some dwc going.
the soil thing is a fun experiment, but i want rapid growth, and lots of clones.

hydro seems so much easier to fine tune to me as well :) and DWC works so good and is as simple as it gets.... couple years ago i did a thread on try'n to kill one in DWC but couldn't do it without dump'n water and air :rolleyes: went all flower with no res changes and just tossed food at it when every no reading's :eek:


got my first batch of home made soil in action now on veggies to test it out...true the plant requirements arnt the same but it's just a test and can be tweeked later if need be (knock on wood)

one thing fer sure i can fire up bubbles no prob if i fail in soil and recover at a very fast rate :)

grow on

:pass:

[arnold layne]

so, went out to the garden last night. hot as an oven (94f), so i had to get some air movin' in there. as hot as it was, the plants still seemed happy. they got some food, some water, and some company for a while. by the time i left, the temps were back down to 80f, 36%rh.
the pics can tell the rest.

peace-
arnold layne

[Cakes]

120 years ago the repubicans were the ones wearing the blue. they were for the people of the republic...

is it evolution at work?

[gorilla]

They look much better than they did in your last few photo shoots, AL. Good job on the recovery.

Still here watching,
G. :p

[arnold layne]

hey all-
plants are doin' their thing.....
still looking (hoping) for fem preflowers, but the only thing i see is what is pictured below. kinda looks like the beginning of a male preflower to me. i'm hoping not, because so far it's lookin' like at least 4 of the 6 show the same thing.
i only wanted 2 males at the most.
in any event, i think i'll be starting 4 more beans of this cross. the growth is a bit slow with this soil thing, and i'd really prefer faster growth from a mother plant.
if nothing else, i have a great soil ph meter. that thing is nutz on every time i use it (checked against my runoff). i like being able to check the soil's ph without having to water them (to colect the runoff), especially if they're still damp/heavy.

here are some pics from last night.

peace-
arnold layne

[budweisman]

Can't wait till I'm where you are AL. Good luck at ya with the F->M ratio. Some really healthy looking plants you have there...hoping I can do half as good as you are doing.

Take Care,
BW

[high2dsky]

I got a front row seat. :cool:

I'll definitely be around for this one, Arnold.

Peace dude!
-G

i second this notion.

[Mr Burns]

Nice greenery AL.
I like the black pots. For outdoors I always imagined they'd draw heat from the early morning sun and warm up the root system on par with the upper plant, which is why I myself tranferred the idea when first going indoors.

As for the pre-flower I'd say its too early to tell. It must be strain dependant on wether hairs come before these pods that 'can' produce hairs, because I myself have been foxed by this before.
Good luck though matey and I'm rootin for ya. 2thumbs

Arn. Can you tell this lazy ass how big the pots are in litres?

[arnold layne]

Can you tell this lazy ass how big the pots are in litres?

7.5708236 litres (2 gal)

:D

[Mr Burns]

What sort of flower time and what wattage AL?

[arnold layne]

What sort of flower time and what wattage AL?

well, right now i have them under a 400w mh, 18/6.
as soon as they've shown sex and are bushy enough to take cuttings,, i'm hoping to do a e&f sog, 4 plants per sq ft., 1k hps.
that's one thing i miss about bubblers.
they'd probably be there by now if i'd gone that route.....

[Mr Burns]

Sorry ARN I should have and probably should still read more, but I take it this is for cuttings/cones for the 'real' grow?

I left some C99 cuttings in 2.5in pots which showed sex real real quick and as you know keeping pots smal works. One thing I did notice is a forgoten pot (all outdoors) showed sex first which I put down to self preservation which all us growing matter have inside us.
Maybe some abuse is in order AL? Get em to show sex through stress rather than our usual eye and heart of making them happy and contented?

Whatever happens I'm looking forward to the 'real' grow bud.

B.

[CB]

Maybe some abuse is in order AL? Get em to show sex through stress rather than our usual eye and heart of making them happy and contented?

.

wont this promote hermies? i stress to make fem seeds from the herms pollen i get when i do :)

also lost a few strains this way do to the fem seeds :damn: :cya: and no males :shrug:

:pass:

[Mr Burns]

wont this promote hermies? i stress to make fem seeds from the herms pollen i get when i do :)

also lost a few strains this way do to the fem seeds :damn: :cya: and no males :shrug:

:pass:


I'm not sure if underpotting can hermie a plant CB? I'm not stating my case either side but garden centres, nurseries and the most guilty party 'supermarkets' are well known for underpotting to bloom plants early. I just think early bloom means earlier sexing. I'm sure a plant would show sex before the real stress would kick in, and so in enough time to plant up and keep or throw depending on sex.

I'm all up for giving a plant a backhander otherwise we'd have snotty nosed plants running us, and not the other way round ;)

[arnold layne]

hey all-

hey burnsy- the "real" grow should be nice. a few of us have seen what this strain can do under lots of light in a single 5gal dwc. i have sampled the fruits of this strain and am in love with the taste. my thinking is that if i can get them into an e&f or nft table at 4 per s.f. and flower right away, i'll have a nice pile of buds.
i'll have to agree with cb on the use of stress. i've had way too many plants go hermie on me due to a little stress (sometimes by accident, sometimes on purpose). i'd be concerned that once the hermie trait is activated, i'd risk a seeded crop.
i do plan on making seeds, tho. out of these 6 plants, i'm hoping for a male or 2. i have 14 beans of this strain left, and want to keep a nice stash of them for future use. i'm also interested in seeing what kind of pheno diversity comes up in the f2's. these are pretty uniform, with just one plant showing a definate difference in structure (more like the ak, i'd imagine). i'd like a bit more variety to choose from, and i figure f2's will be the way to bring those differences out. the f1's will be kept alive for back breeding.

i have taken the tops off of most of the plants, and stuck them in rockwool. they are now under flouros in a humidity dome. as soon as they show roots, i'll be putting them to flower to see what i'll get from each plant, as far as finished product. once i have decided which moms i want to go with (one of the traits i'm looking for is early flowering, so i should know 3 weeks after putting them in 12/12), i'll take some more clones to make some more moms.
i'm really looking to have all of the clones in a table be from one plant, even if that means i have to wait a while longer for more moms to develop. my reasoning behind this is, i like to push my plants when i work with hydro. i need to have all 64 clones in a 4x4 table to be from the same seed, as i'll know the feeding required should be uniform. one of the things i love about the 5g dwc, is that each bucket is tailored to each plant's requirements. i'm going for the same effect with a table full of clones.

the plants are looking good, despite having their heads cut off. i understand that there are some who would argue that a clone taked from the top is gonna have more nitrogen in it and root more slowly, but i was also going for the effect of forcing more side branching.
not much more to add, so here's some pics.

peace-
arnold layne

[budweisman]

I don't understand most of what you are talking about AL but this thread is fascinating just the same. Those don't even look like the same plants as in the earlier pics where you had some leaf issues. Each new round of pics the plants look healthier than before. Thanks for sharing all the info. I'm going to try and disect your last post to better understand it. I'm taking a much simpler approach but it's still fun to understand better methods.

BW

[CB]

i'd be concerned that once the hermie trait is activated, i'd risk a seeded crop.


yes this can happen and has to me and 3 years into the breeding project :mad: hours of notes and research gone up in smoke...

I have also found with MJ when confined to small root places ( solo cups and smaller) they dont like to show sex as fast as say 1 gallon does... under solo cup size i have to root trim to get them to bud.

budweisman

I don't understand most of what you are talking about AL

like he does:rolleyes: look at his plants growing out of the walls :eek: maybe it just the pics sideways :shrug:

[arnold layne]

like he does:rolleyes: look at his plants growing out of the walls :eek: maybe it just the pics sideways :shrug:

nope, they're growin' out of the walls.
:laugh:
i was using photoshop to resize a bunch of pics at a time (my camera takes huge pictures...), by using automated actions.
i forgot to rotate them manually.
oops.

hey budweisman- i was just rambling about how i want a uniform crop, eventually.
i pick the best female, take clones and grow those out to be mothers themselves.
i now have 4 or 5 mothers, all cloned from one plant.
the clones i take from those mothers should have the pretty much the same nute requirements, so when fed from a single res in a flood table, i don't have to worry about different cultivars having different wants/needs in the feeding department.
the benefit to this is that i can feed them as aggressively as i want, when i want, and i'm not starving some and burning others (i can burn them all at the same time :D). i can also tweak the supplements according to their stage of development, as i imagine they'd all develop and mature in a pretty uniform manner.
i don't want a table that is going to have huge variations in optimal harvest time, flush schedule, feeding requirements, ph, etc.
i want to see how close i can get to a perfect environment for a 4'X4' flood table, and having that table full of identical clones will help me to dial in "perfect".
it would be super cool to have 2 tables, each with it's own res, 2 different strains at a time, started 30 days apart. i'd love to get into a rotation of harvesting every 30 days....

[budweisman]

hey all-

i'm also interested in seeing what kind of pheno diversity comes up in the f2's. these are pretty uniform, with just one plant showing a definate difference in structure (more like the ak, i'd imagine). i'd like a bit more variety to choose from, and i figure f2's will be the way to bring those differences out. the f1's will be kept alive for back breeding.

i need to have all 64 clones in a 4x4 table to be from the same seed, as i'll know the feeding required should be uniform. one of the things i love about the 5g dwc, is that each bucket is tailored to each plant's requirements. i'm going for the same effect with a table full of clones.



peace-
arnold layne


Thanks for clearing up the general gist of it AL. I did gather some of that but you summed up your overall goal very well. The first paragraph above through me off because I don't know what f1, f2, etc mean. By back breeding I assume you are just keeping a plant in veg state and taking cuttings? Basically a 'mother' plant.

The last paragraph you refer to a 5g dwc...I'm assuming 5 gallon somethin something somethin...is this a hydro acronym?

Thanks mang.

bw

[budweisman]

Been reading the faq and found info on deep water culture...slowly I am learning.

[arnold layne]

hey budweisman-
the original plants are the 1st generation seeds of the soma X ak cross.
if i make seeds from those plants, the seeds will be f2's.
if the f1 plants had been dusted by the original dad, it would be an f2 backcross.
i don't have the original parents, but hope that by making seeds over and across a couple/few generations starting with what i do have, i'll end up with some seeds that produce plants that are more alike than not.

peace-
arnold layne

[Mr Burns]

need to have all 64 clones in a 4x4 table
Thats 1 clone per 6in2 AL. I've seen something similar done online but not in its time, it was a finished link.
I've also (not sure if you were present) grown from clone mom in a 12/12 NFT straight from nappy to happy with no veg. Mine went in at around 8-9 inches in height and apx 24in2 per plant. At 6in2 I'm very interested at what the results could be as what you're getting into (increasing plant per inch through a nappy 12/12) is something that keeps nocking my concience whenever I'm considering what route this next grow should go.
I imagine yours are going into 12/12 main lighting well under my 8-9 inches AL, which gives more interest, as I firmly believe (ok ok we all know SOG over time wins) the earlier (root mass dependent) wins hand over fist.
One last comment on nappy to happy 12/12 is this, they were the firmest buds I have ever grown. Period.


I have also found with MJ when confined to small root places ( solo cups and smaller) they dont like to show sex as fast as say 1 gallon does... under solo cup size i have to root trim to get them to bud.

CB, Hand on heart I find it the other way round. You sure them plants aren't French marigolds? :p Joking aside, we'll have to experiment this CB. How about outdoors and organic so we get natural selection?

Been reading the faq and found info on deep water culture...slowly I am learning.
True indeed BWM that deep water culture relates to hydro growing. When adding the wrong A or B solution I often say to myself, "you're in deep water now Burnsy"..... ;)

[arnold layne]

hey burnsy-
yup, 1 per 6"2.
there's a guy out this way that goes from rooted clone to 12/12, keeps 4 psf, grows under a 600w hps, and pulls 1.5 lbs from a 3X3 table consistently.
only concerned with the top 10" of canopy, everything below is trimmed away.
a "carpet of bud".
sounds good to me.
this is where the desire to have all of the clones come from the same original plant come in. at that density, i want them to all be as uniform as possible, and with the same nute requirements.
i figure if i use my 1kw hps and a 4x4 table, i should get close to or above 2lb per 16 sq ft.
once i get that down, i'd like to have 2 4x4s going, planted at 30 days apart.
2-3lb every 30 days is the goal.
i smoke a lot.
:D

peace-
armold layne

[budweisman]

hey burnsy-

once i get that down, i'd like to have 2 4x4s going, planted at 30 days apart.
2-3lb every 30 days is the goal.
i smoke a lot.
:D

peace-
armold layne

Sounds like you smoke 2 joints before you smoke 2 joints and then you smoke 2 more!

[arnold layne]

Sounds like you smoke 2 joints before you smoke 2 joints and then you smoke 2 more!

plus, i need to smoke at least 3 bowls to be able to roll those first 2 joints.
oh bother.....

:D

[Mr Burns]

plus, i need to smoke at least 3 bowls to be able to roll those first 2 joints.
oh bother.....

:D

AL help me.... I fell into the bowl of weed and can't climb out.... :tumble:

1.5 on a 4x4. Interesting stuff.
I understand the nute requirement along with uniform growth, but are you using a heat shield with the 1K lamp AL? I'm looking at these heat shields myself and are in plan....

As I'm also dead keen on using E&F, I got to thinking last night how I could adapt my two 10x2ft NFT tables into E&F and I may have a result. I'll talk more about that when it happens.

You know AL, the one thing that bothers me with nappy to happy is the numbers, if you know what I mean ;)

BTW, 30 days staggered sounds another idea to look into. Especialy with two 600s per table :coffee:

Grow on.

[arnold layne]

1.5 on a 4x4. Interesting stuff.

are you using a heat shield with the 1K lamp AL?


You know AL, the one thing that bothers me with nappy to happy is the numbers, if you know what I mean ;)

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hey burnsy-
1.5 on a 4x4 sounds plausible. if planted 4 per square foot, it comes out to .375oz per plant needed to get 1.5 lbs. i can even imagine it going a good bit higher, once the strain and method are worked with long enough.

as for the heat shield, funny you should ask. i just picked them up yesterday, along with the flanges to convert my hoods to air cooled.
which brings up another possibility...
since i'm using air cooled, maybe i'll check into co2.
it can't hurt....

and yes, i do know what ya mean. where i am, it depends on what county you're in as to what's allowed. some places specify by number of plants, some by sq ft of canopy. i happen to live in a county that refuses to go by state law (12 immature, 6 mature), and places no specific restrictions on it. as long as there's no evidence of sales, a medical grow is just that.
6 plants or 100.

it also depends on your relationship with your doc.
sb420 allows exceptions to limits based on patient need.

of course, none of it means anything to the feds.....

[Mr Burns]

Arnold. I was looking at the sb420 bill and found this:

"Patient advocates had pushed for more liberal guidelines, such as those adopted by Sonoma County, which allow up to 99 plants in a 100 square foot growing area plus 3 pounds of marijuana."

Errrrrr say what!!