Serious seeds for serious needs.

[Mr Burns]

9 Chronics & 1 White Russian.

36 days old and 11 days into flower.

Canna profesional + and Bio-Grow, Bio-Bloom and top max nutes.

10 litre pots under 2 600W HPS Grolux with Adjusta wing shades.

1 picture before sexing and one after with better pics to follow tomorrow.

[milagro]

"Well we tanned his hide when he died Clyde,
and that's it hangin' on the shed."

Looks kind of familiar around here, homey ya might say.

I'm aboard bro, grow on. :cool:



milagro

[Mr Burns]

Cheers Aggi.

I'll get some better pics up soon. Cropping them twice takes the edge of em you know? Rather get it right and crop em in one hit.;)

[Mr Burns]

A couple of pics to get a better perspective of the room and grow.

Theres a tower fan in there right now, but I'll be changing it for a clip fan to get up at canopy level.

You can see the White Russian stretching above the Chronic in the second pic.

[Cranky]

burnsy mate,its looking ever so star trecky in there;) ive had enough of tall plants so when im back at it its short arses all the way for me;)

looking ncie and green in there mate....good show

cranky

[Mr Burns]

I was thinking what you just said Cranky, and I thought about crossing a WR with a Chronic. Then I remembered I have a male WR in another shed ;)

Not sure how far the balls are, but I'll take a look tomorrow. Maybe Chronic x WR would suit?

[Cel]

Chronic you say?
Chronic it is! im going to have to try this particular beauty since it seems so...how should I say? Cuddly?
I doubt this is your first attempt at this strain...could you enlighten me how tall your girls will get when permanently grown?
Needless to say that whether you can enlighten me or not, I will stop by again no doubt!

Grow on!

Cel

[Mr Burns]

Cel.
This is my first Serious Seed project. Since coming indoors I used Nirvana seeds but I had terrible hermie traits that seem to come with cheap seeds :mad: I've grown B52s and Pure Power Plants, but this is my first serious seed grow in both senses of the word.

I can tell you that since mentioning growing them, I've heard nothing but praise for the way they grow, in stature, yield and end smoke. I really have had some postive vibes with 2 growers saying it's their top strain if they had to pick one for a great all rounder.
I can't confirm the whole praise, but they're looking squat, as branchy as they could be, and I find them low odour plants too. I only had a very small nute burn early on, but this was my own fault and it calmed and healed very quick. I also found introducing Bio-Bizz nutes at the recommended strength (and correct time :rolleyes: ) no problem whatsoever.
So, so far, I'm as happy as a sand boy with em. Worth every penny.

You growin now Cel?

[peakguy]

Mr. B, as we mentioned in my thread, I am a fan of serious seeds too. I was a bit disapointed that of the 5 White Russian seeds I germed, 4 sprouted, but 3 turned out to be males. One I was pretty sure was going to be a female, but suddenly there were balls.
I have 5 more of those seeds for my next grow, so hopefully I will get at least 3 females from them. Once I get my room built, I will be able to start cloning, but for now it is from seed only - and as you have noted, these babes are not cheap.
But the one that is still in the grow room is great looking!
I'll be keeping an eye on your finish as you are only a few days ahead of me.
peace.

[Mr Burns]

I was a bit disapointed that of the 5 White Russian seeds I germed, 4 sprouted, but 3 turned out to be males.

Flibberdy jibberish. I had the same results :eek: planted 15, 6 germed (got free replacements for the 9) and 4 made it above the soil. Same dome, soak time, medium and enviroment as the 14 chronics from 15? From the 4 WR that broke soil I'm left with 1 female, and I also had 1 chick with a dick (excuse me ladies).

and as you have noted, these babes are not cheap.

At a quick mental sum, I reckon it costs me £18 oz all in per grow. Not good, and only half of that is electric, but the seeds have got to be worth the investment. If I needed to buy it god knows what chemical I'd be burning? Ok, smokin tobacco is bad for you too, but it don't mean lets go kamakazi on poisoning ourselves?
If I just couldn't get to grips with cloning I'd probably swap and change strains each grow, but for cloning, good breeding stock has to be the primary target seed IMO.

Theres a few of us WR gardeners here already. Be an interesting comparison.....

[peakguy]

Mr. B, I totally concur with your point that good seeds are worth the investment - or else why are we doin' this? Your electric rates must be relatively high if they are 50% of your overhead, but there is not much one can do about that part.
I am in the process of upgrading my indoor set up, so I just look at all this as a long-term investment. I want to grow the food I eat and grow the bud I smoke. I'll post up a close up of my russian girl so we can compare. Nice talking at ya.
peace

[Mr Burns]

As in attatchments.

[high2dsky]

CHronic, no joke, is my favorite strain . cant wait to see how stanky anky those turn out. i live for that dark green skunk.:D :D :D

[Palindrome]

Look's good there mate, but they seem a bit pale green to me and maybe underfet a bit?

A higher N and maybe some Mg would might help ya back on track and give ya plants a darker color, it will give em a kick in health I belive.

It might also just be the HPS light, nice grow closet you got there !

Palindrome

[Mr Burns]

Palindrome. You were right in assuming it was the HPS. I've added a picture below of what they looked like a little while ago, and they look the same now.

As for nutes, I stick with the Bio-Bizz programme which is faultless. Three bottles with a week by week programme and it just works. I can't see me ever cahnging nutes.

Thanks for the closet coment, my only quest now is knowledge on Paraffin heaters in grow rooms. I'm wondering if it effects the bud in smell or smoke?

Maybe a thread in the right place.......

Cheers.

[Mr Burns]

Getting stinky now. Nothing to report as they're behaving and looking real nice.

Condensation is becoming a problem but I hope to solve this with an LPG heater.

Burnsy.

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[peakguy]

looking good Mr. B. How is your White Russian coming along? I think I spot her in there, as she is a bit bushier than the others. I think your WR is a few days to a week ahead of mine, so I will be keeping an eye on your finish.:cool:
peace.

[Mr Burns]

Peak. The W/R is the one centre of the top pic between the shades and to the back.

Some of the Chronic have stretched too which suprised me as I thought they'd stay short and bushy. I'm glad I didn't get true flower lamps as the lack of blue compared to full spectrum Grolux would have had them stretching further.

I've ordered the LPG heater. It's a German 1.9KW stainless steel version with a 3 year onsite warranty. Not that I'd let an engineer in my grow room! Good job we have a plot of land with a poly tunnel ;) It'll mean moving it there in the event of failure and repair.
I'll add some pictures of it when it arrives.

Clones are showing growth under the 2 125W Envirolights. Temps are high at 30C/86F but I can adjust this with the main cab lid. I don't consider those temps too high to worry about whilst slowly adjusting over the next 3-6 days.

Temps are -3C tonight! Good news for recovery trucks :racer:

[peakguy]

Yep, I thought that was the russian, as she is bushy like mine. In the 19-20 days since mine has been in flower she has not really done what I would consider a stretch. I don't mind height as long as there is bud growth all along the stem, and mine is nicely budded. Excited about what she might develop from now until she finishes and that is why I am keeping an eye on yours! I think you are about a week or so ahead of me. I think my russian is going to finish before the grape krush plants, but we'll see.
peace.

[dredank]

that russian takes ~56 days.

[peakguy]

Roger that, I figure 55-60 days. I like to take the main cola a bit early and then let the rest catch up.
peace

[dredank]

Nice technique i've done it myself once or twice.:D

[Mr Burns]

I'll get some closer pics of the Russian tomorrow. I may even pull it out during lights on for a giood gander if that helps Peak. How about it? Get a square on photo standing next to a standard magazine and I'll do the same.

As you say, it'd be interesting and then we can have a thread.

[peakguy]

I'll do it and try to post tomorrow.
peace

[dredank]

hey I got a russian in bloom, round same week you two are at, but much smaller plant, lemme get in on that thread:deal:

[Mr Burns]

The White Russian thread is in the flowering section here: http://www.homegrownbud.com/forums/showthread.php?p=847#post847


Alls good with the grow except the condensation. The LPG heater is ion its way and when it's installed I can have the extraction on 24/7 to keep everything warm and dry.

[Shadows]

Looking good in there Burns. Nice closet and some very happy plants bro.

So this is a soil journal, whats your soil mix? sorry if Ive missed that part, its late and Im pretty darn stoned.

later
Shadows

[Mr Burns]

I'm using canna professional + ND. At £17/30 US per 50Ltrs it may seem a lot of money but it's not when considering Cannas reputation. I was thinking of using Bio-Bizz all mix next time which would make the whole medium and nutes Bio-Bizz. Still organic, just 100% single brand.
I'm pleased with it so far and would never use general purpose again. Nothing purer than the purified eh?

A small amount of yellow leaf is appearing at low levels, so the bloom nutes are going up 1ml per litre tomorrow.

Pics as of today.

Head on through door.

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Looking left.............................................l ooking Right.


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Room alterations.

I moved the two intakes so they spilled the incoming freezing air onto the shade tops. I thought this would increase the condensation problem with cold air meeting warm, which we know produces rain, hence I thought more condensation. However it bought the surface area of condensation on thewalls from around 80% down to around 30%. This is a major improvement and I'm hoping the German LPG heater will add to the warmth and combat the remaining 30% condensation wall coverage.
I guess those that have used propane and butane will know these give off there own condensation, but I'm hoping enough heat will be produced to triger the fans thermostat during lights off to keep the room even in temperature. The condensation I have now, I believe to be from the room walls getting cold during lights off and then blasted with 1200W at lights on.
Time will tell. Were all here to learn including me.

Burnsy.

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[Mr Burns]

Ho ho ho. Christmas is a comin early for Burnsy.
Heater arrives tomorrow and I've just paid £10/$18US for 2 x 19KG propane bottles compared to £40/$72US over the counter. You get a much better deal taking to the ground staff and doing an 'over the fence' deal :eek: 2thumbs

Next item to get is a de-humidifier. I can't get a good deal on one of them cause they're bar coded. :( £80 is the cheapest I can find. If anyone has any ideas then please do shout.

Clones are looking good too. 2thumbs I may have to re-clone these for the next grow as roots are showing through the base of these. It's a shame I don't have someone who'd take some off me as I won't need them all.

http://www.homegrownbud.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=343&stc=1&d=1132582895

[TENSIXFI]

bang up job bro2thumbs

babies are looking great, hope your heaters sort out your condensation probs matey.
always learning:D
jf69;)

[Mr Burns]

Thanks Tens.
I'm now thinking that maybe I should have dealt with the condensation by a de-humidifyer first, and then thought of the heat after. My thinking was that with the extra heat the room would have a 24hr warmth so the walls would have a constant temperature and reduce the cold/hot surface change reducing humidity. The 24hr heat I'm hoping will keep the extractor kicking in and out providing a constant airflow. All the time giving C02 to the plants.2thumbs

My only worry now is the condensation with the girls being in flower. How soon can a plant get bud rot? What's the other downsides of too much humidity in a grow? Bud rot alone is bad enough to worry about so some quick thinking is in order.

The heater arrived see pics attatched.

[Cel]

i like your keyboard Burnsy lol looks futuristic, im jealous :o
I also like your paint stained trousers hehe
But most of all, how much did u pay for that heater?
I'm using an electric one, which heats the room allright, but having something heat the room AND give Co2 is just preferable isnt it?
Looks like a decent investment mate!
Good growin :)

Cel

[Mr Burns]

Cel. Which side of the Atlantic are you? You can get them in the UK for £99 + £5 for a regulator and £2 per metre of flexi pipe. So it cost me £106 all in and £10 for the two propane bottles. If you go for it get the 19KG gas bottles as the heaters are designed for these and they're more economical to refill. A 7.5KG costs £14 to fill and a 19KG £20! You do the math!
You must remember that the bottles must be placed outdoors, or in my case the part of the shed that's got all the ancillaries in. That part of the shed is vented well so it won't be subject to high temps, and any leaks will be drawn through the grow room. If any leak does occur, I can't see it being enough to create an explosion, and any significant leak will shut down the regulators diaphram isolating the bottle.
I know what I'm talking about honest. I'm a plumber.................2thumbs

The CO2 is beneficial but from what I've read it's only really effective when temps are higher, like around 88F. If anyone knows different then do shout.

If you can get the bottle somewhere well vented you can buy the hose by the metre which means the heater and bottle could be quite some distance apart. I don't know the regs on distance as I had no need to take my bottled gas ticket. I have enough work to do without fannying around with caravans, boats and fork lifts.

For the keyboard look up Saitek KU 0418. It's a gamers keyboard which I bought thinking it'd take a lot of abuse. Cute :rolleyes:

What electric heater do you have? Can you supply any pics?

Burnsy.

[Mr Burns]

Emergency planet HGB.
I put one of those mercury loops in my grow room today. The ones that show max and min temperatures that can be reset. Well I just looked in 10pm tonight, and it's 2C/35F!!!
I really really need to get that heater in there.......

Burnsy.

[Mr Burns]

This is a pictorial update so be prepared if you're on dial-up.

Last night temperatures within the grow went down to 0C/32F which we all know is freezing. What with condensation and these temps I really needed to put a days input into the plants if I want it to be a success. Funny how things go when you start playing, you wish you'd have got stuck in days or weeks ago :rolleyes:

First thing was the condensation. :hmmmm:

The LPG heater although producing it's own water vapour would hopefully keep the exhaust tripping in and out which in turn, will hopefully combat the extreme range of 12/12 temperatures which produce the condensation. I can tell you that the fan is tripping in and out 2thumbs but only morning will tell if the dampness is reduced. :shrug:
These units do give off a small amount of light, but having spoke about this a couple of grows back, I'm unsure of how important complete darkness is to a plant, after all, outdoors we have stars, the moon and street lights to name a few. So I'm letting this one go and see what happens.
As they're serious seeds, if I get a hermie I will put it down to this light invasion, as serious seems such a well bread strain hermie possibilities hopefully would be minimal. Some think hermies are part of the sexing percentages but I put it down to breeding. The debate continues...

http://www.homegrownbud.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=408&stc=1&d=1132770407

An obvious factor in damp is lack of air movement, so I got down on my knees and looked through the grow.

This is what I'd seen. Or didn't see!

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No good me thinks, so I got to work with a scalpel and came up with this....

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:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

It's not that bad.
Have a look at these pics and you can make your own minds up.

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And the canopy is still full....

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The soil was also topped up whilst trimming, as some were showing roots.

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[Mr Burns]

All is looking well. The condensation was there this morning, but the heater was also on pilot as the C02 sensor cut the flame down through lack of oxygen. The fan doesn't seem to have kicked in with just the heater but as the day went on the room slowly dried.
I've now raised the stat on the PLG heater by 5C/12F and dropped the room stat 2C/5F, and now the fan is running more often than not lights out. This will hopefully give a good exchange of air and moisture during lights off, leaving me with a drier enviroment.

Update tomorrow.

Burnsy.

[XzoomD]

Burns, that is a great growbox!! 2thumbs
what is that you use for the walls?

great trim job too! :D

would insulating the outside of the growbox help the inner walls stay above the dewpoint? even with a dehumidifier it may take some tweaking b/c for those who do not know what is going on here..while Burns lights are on the temps go up..warmer air holds more moisture than cooler air...and when temps go below the dewpoint.. condensation happens. that said..I'm wondering if running a dehumidifier would leave the air too dry for the lights on temps and cause over transpiration?? I'm sure it could be remedied tho. I think the key is keeping the night temps above the dewpoint..???
another thing I do in winter is keep my buckets up off the floor b/c my grow is in the basement and having them on the cold cement floor was stunting growth b/c no matter what the room temps read..the cement was cooling the substrate too much..I hjappen to use plastic milk crates but anything that allows the room air to pass under it will help.

Great Journal also!! 2thumbs

:peace:

[Jr. Greenthumb]

Hey bro I hear you talking about condensation. I read back thru your journal and I didn't see anything much on the breakdown on the construction you are using here. But I am thinking it is one of the sheds right? Anyhow..... Condensations forms on the walls when there is a 17 degree temperature differance or more. I only know this because I use to work in the Grain handling market. Well, Kinda Sorta. I use to be an Electrical Engineer, I dealt with the electronic side of all the grain dryers and conveying systems, well more like that was my specialty. I had to do all the shit from crawling around under mucky conveyors and change bearings when it was absolutely necessary. Anyways..... Condensation is a big factor in grain storage. If condensation forms inside a grain bin then you get a shitload of moldy rotten corm in the spring time. So, everyone knew that at 17 degrees temp difference between the outside temp and the grain temp then they needed to aireate the grain to bring it to within 17 degrees of the outside temp or they could have issues. Well sorry for going off in never never land there. But it's already typed and Oh well.

Anyways, the moral of the story is if there is a 17 degree temp difference from the outside temps to the inside temps then you will be getting some condensation. Now I can't see what kind of insulation your using but you may want to try something with a little more insulating to it. I am sure it will help a lot.

Just some thoughts

[Mr Burns]

Grain handling market

GT. Strange. That's what my old man ended up doing after leaving farming.........

The wall linings I know aren't perect, and if I could have had the bigger shed I'd have built walls like in my attic grow like this....

http://www.homegrownbud.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=440&stc=1&d=1132906892

Thing is, when planning a bigger shed the local council informed me that a fee was applicable and spot visits over the next year to check I wasn't using it for residential purposes. No good. That's why the shed is smaller than first hoped, and the wall linings thinner. If I'd have built another 3inch isowool wall like above but I'd have two less plants with the reduced sized room. Instead this is 9mm thick vapour check board designed for humid and damp walls. I wouldn't use it this way round again. If I were to use it I'd put it foil out as it's supposed to be.

I understand your 17 degree theory GT and thanks for the info. It explains why the bottom 2ft of the inner walls are damp as the air just isn't moving around the cavity but instead just sitting in the bottom 2ft and holding the clean air. I was thinking of laying a fireproof rubber floor in there so maybe I will cut the bottom 1ft off the walls and up fill jhe 2ft with insulatuion/isowool.

Zoom.

I happen to use plastic milk crates but anything that allows the room air to pass under it will help.


You can see the trays that the plants sit in below. You've had me thinking that mabe I could raise the trays a little and mnot rely simply on the ribs within the tray to give the pots lift. 2thumbs

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I also want to add another fan to blow through the tops of the pots. I'll instal one later tis morning to see hwo things go but the only thing with oscilating fans is the gear noise. I'll give it a go for 24hrs and see what happens.

Burnsy.

[Cranky]

aye burnsy,good job on the trimming.i do the same,no point putting energy into growing popcorn buds.best directing it to where the big buds are;) only i do my trimming over a few days as not to stress the plant out to much in one go.

as for the condensation,i been in the damproofing game for about 14 months and if i was to be called out to the same prob in ya home we would fit an air brick about a foot from the ceiling.if theres is moistuer in the air it will collect on the coldest parts of the room no matter what the temp diff is.i.e windows or walls.if ya cant do this then the only thing i can think of is a dehumidifier.

lookin good

cranky

[Mr Burns]

I agree Cranks. A de-humidifyer is the way to go, but right now it's looking all good with the LPG heater. The extraction is on more than not during dark 12, but the plants are getting fresh air along with the C02. We spoke about plants not needing C02 with lights off, but as the heater is now on 24/7, it's delivering the C02 lights on, and warmth off, and reducing the condensation to around %5 on the walls.
My main concern with the condensation and current grow was bud rot. The long term worry was rotting the floor. Although the sterling board is building grade it's not meant for swimming pools !

Buds are looking good. The WR and one Chronic are looking real real good.

[Mr Burns]

Update. Less than 4 weeks to go.

White Russian.

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Chronic.

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[Cranky]

aye up burnsy boy,spot on mate,

i wanna see you hold a fosters can up against that cola in the second pic in another 3-4 weeks:D

see if we can start a trend...."the foster can test"
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good on yas miate:D

cranky

[Dibbz]

good pics m8!

Looking lovely and healthy!!2thumbs :peace:

foster tin sounds like good fun ill have to get something going eh!!!

[peakguy]

Looking good, Mr. B. I am with you, I am really liking my russian and am already looking forward to putting the next 5 seeds in some soil.
peace

[Mr Burns]

Thanks guys. WR is where its at Peak eh?

Plans have changed. As I have far more clones than I need, I've decided to plant some up into their final pots and place them on the perimeter of the grow. This will hopefully give me a 4 week turn around until I have enough to keep me going and when I can shut down for a while. Hopefully spring when I can go outdoors.
Two reasons for doing this. The first is I still have enough clones left to re-clone even after potting up 10 to go in the flower room. The second is my brother's having trouble getting a smoke so I can palm him off some free weed as a xmas pressie.
I've potted up three with the 7 to go in tomorrow. I'll add pics when I get there.

[peakguy]

Mr. B, I am surprised at how different our russian girls look. They have been in flower exactly the same length of time, but on mine the fan leaves have already turned yellow and I have pruned a good percentage of them off. I don't even see a hint of yellow on yours. :hmmmm:
peace

[Mr Burns]

Peak. I was just looking through your journal amnd unless I missed a page, I can't see what nutes your using? Give me the low down on pot size, medium and nutes etc.
Have you tried upping the feed? Or give the pots a flush? I was only posting earlier about flushing beacause I once had a leaf problem and everyone was giving the notable but usual Ph, nute, salt, mg and iron diagnosis. All I did was flush the ots with a hose and flushed em hard. After a good drenching and flushing I needed to top the pots back up, which should give an indication of how hard I blasted em :eek:
Flushing the soil is helping rid build ups of various salts and acids so you won't harm em. If anyone thinks otherwise I'm open for debate and convincing, but flushing them at any stage is a good tonic and wake up call to the plant.

I've said this before and if anyone heres a gardener they'll have experience of this. If a plant is looking a bit long in the tooth you can hack it or 'shock' it into providing more growth. Like twisting an MJ stem and seing increased growth although I don't do it myself.

I'm not saying flushing will cure the yellowing as yellowing is a part of the latter flowering period. I'd up the nutes including a shot of N, and see if that works.

[Mr Burns]

Cranky.

The Foster can test. A worthy scheme to gauge colas by...... 2thumbs

[peakguy]

Thanks for the advice Mr. B. I responded on your white russian thread so as not to be discussing my girls on your thread.
peace

[Mr Burns]

Peak. No problem

Sorry to those who read this but don't get me writing a load of balony in their own journal. My back is against the wall right now and making time to take and post pics is a sacrifice to what I should be doing as it is. I'll make more time soon.

Here we are as of today. Less than 4 weeks left. Or is that still another 3 and a half weeks to go?

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This shot was taken from between the shades. You can just see all 4 colas aloft the carpet of green and side colas.

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[dredank]

burns that is looking amazing, really filled in great, i would like to try growing like that, i have tried growing a dozen plants in a 8x2.5 once and i got a very small yield i had 800 watts goin, and no light penetrated below no matter how much pruning i did.

Great freaking job Burns i have to say i am a bit jealous of your green large cola filled room.2thumbs :peace:

[Mr Burns]

i have to say i am a bit jealous of your green large cola filled room

Dre.
I feel the same cause I don't know how I do it :cool:

You gotta see these pics I've just taken. It seems every day theres an explosive growth to them that astounds me. If hydro is quicker than this then it must blow white coats socks off, really.

3 Weeks to harvest and nutes have gone up to 3mlpl of TopMax with 3mlpl of Bio-Bloom & 1mlpl of Bio-Grow.

Anyway, enjoy cause i feckin did !

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[Shadows]

Need to spread my rep around before dosing more your way there Burns, but a post well worthy of rep. I'd be happy with 1 of them cola's in my place

[Mr Burns]

Thanks ND.

It's looking more and more like my old grow every day. It's cirtain to be a white Xmas this way.

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[peakguy]

Mr. B, I am in total agreement with Shadow and Dredank, your grow is getting amazing. Don't feel sorry for that SOB Dredank though, check out the stash pics he has posted around here; he's got a variety stash that would make anybody jealous! Or at least it has made me jealous.
Finally I am seeing some yellow leaves in your grow. You know I have been freaking a bit about how yellow my russian had gotten, especially when I compared her to yours, as they are the same day in flower. Congrats man, you are gonna have some kind of Christmas.
peace

[Mr Burns]

Peak.
Thanks buddy. I noticed a little bit of yellowing yesterday and today I pulled the two centre plants out to water the babies at the back.
This is what I found which should make you feel better.

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Theres also yellowing coming on the Chronics too but hey, it's par for the course and nothing to worry about. I expect some serious leaf drop soon as you can see in the above pic of a previous grow.

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[XzoomD]

Mr. Burns, What a show! 2thumbs

I'm buzzed, as usual, and I am really enjoying and getting into your XLN't grow....and a little note..when I'm buzzed and a thread gets my interest enough to post..I find myself posting stuff that may not apply to the particular thread but may help someone else in the community..and is only my opinion. :D

But amazing as this grow is...the pics make me wonder if you could not have done even better..like I said, I'm buzzed :D and really not familiar with the strain but being on the outside looking in..as usual..it is easier to see moves..like observing a chess game..when youre not playing..haha..if I could take my own advice I would be a better grower. heheh...I said that to say this....lately I have been revegging harvested plants but have been losing them to everything from white mold to too cool temps to outright neglect...but I have been very observant of the plant using its stores of N in the sunleaves because I did want to reveg. So I feed with a nitrate during the stretch and have been trying to tweak it so that at harvest the plant is just starting to use its stores of N on the lower leaves. I do not use any urea because there is no telling when it will go through the nitrogen cycle and break down..it might still be there at harvest and affect the taste..but nitrate is easly flushed out with the flower nutes/waterings...so ..it looks like you could have had a little more N before it started relyng on its stores. Like maybe a feeding or two of your veg nutes or combining the veg and flower in the beginning of the stretch..if they do not precipitate (cloud up). When the sweetleaf (leaves on the bud) begin to yellow now it may show that it could have used a little more N..which in turn may have even helped the buds become even bigger..but not positive on that one. Another thing I'm not sure of is if you are showing signs of a slight -P. -P can show itself a couple of ways...a dull dark green in the leaves...which does not seem to be the case here..but then again with the plant using up its fanleaves stores of N..it might be hard to tell.......another way is purpling of the leaves, petioles, and/or stem. Here it is hard to tell b/c in strains of cannabis some show anthocyanin (purple pigment) anyway. But it appears to me, altho it is hard to tell by the pics, that a slight -P may have progressed from the petioles to the stem..which makes me wonder if you could not have pushed the P some...???

btw..definately not trying to rain on the parade..just wondering if you could not have added to an already fantastic grow? 2thumbs :D
2cents

:peace:

[Mr Burns]

Like maybe a feeding or two of your veg nutes or combining the veg and flower in the beginning of the stretch..if they do not precipitate (cloud up).

That's just it. I'm feeding veg nutes right through just as Bio-Bizz advise. Every 3 or 4 feedings I give it double Veg nutes just to pick it up but that's it.
Maybe it's this exra N that helps :hmmmm: I did it in hope that it'd sustain some leaf matter but only because my pot sizes are under what's considered the norm and having had experience of major leaf drop.

As for nitrate etc? I have no idea. I just plant em and feed em bro and all seems to go well?
The next week will tell what's gonna happen as it's the 2-3 week prior to harvest that it happened for me.

Thanks for the vibes Zoom.

[cidium]

wazz going ON burnsy~

[CB]

look'n good in here indeed:rockon:

got some good news.....no i didnt save a bundle on my car ins.

but.......

I'm done move'n and will be ready soon to build a new grow room:p

my WR is 3 months in cure now and is a nice medi strain when cured out proper;)

I have been doing a bit of back breed'n with the WR and it only gets better with age as far as i can tell:p

grow on

[Mr Burns]

Goodness gracious me Cidium, you're more than welcome round these parts Cid so don't be a stranger. 2thumbs

Cheap. you'll have to pass those dimensions to me if you need any help. Building in a free space should be easy for you though?
I had no idea you were breeding and it'd be an interesting read if ever you have the time to post it.;)

Nothing changed round here. Grow is pukka although just as last time I was at this stage I wish for larger buckets. Perhaps I'll look into square ones but last time I did 25ltr ones were the same price as 15ltr so bubblers looked a good option. I'll wait until another two grows and make a decision regardless of how ssoon or later we move.
If anyone UK based knows of a cheap 25ltr bucket and lid supplier let me know. The only good supplier I can find you need to buy 100 a time. If I had the money I'd foil wrap them and stick em on ebay as a side line...........

[Cranky]

yo burnsy...pilling on the weight now huh;) Co2 kicking in?

bring um on home boyo..2thumbs

cranky

[Mr Burns]

You know how it is Cranky, they seem to spurt a whole load of bud and then stall. Were now in a stall so I'm a bit perplexed but not worried.

I've had a real lazy day just surfing google image for Oregon. Cheap knows it's one of the places I'm up for seeing soon but my brain is starting to hatch plans to go. Cycling looks a good option but I'm thinking about a motorbike too. Work is another thing as I won't have a visa, but I've entered under the 3 month greencard without proof of funds before so maybe it'll be worth a shot.
Enough ramblings..... back to google................. :D

[Mr Burns]

Right. I'm happy with the resin production but I really can't see these swelling up within the next three weeks. Maybe I'll be on for a progressive harvest?

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[Shadows]

MMMMM, very frosty buds Mr. Burns, very nice indeed. Maybe some Ca and Mg will get them buds in gear? Apart from not swelling, I dont see what there is to complain about bro. awesome job.

[Cranky]

only a few red hairs in sight burnsy...plenty of time to fatten up bro;)

should frost up abit more to mate.

will have to give that suff agao myself one day.

cranky

[peakguy]

For a guy who says he doesn't get much iceing on his cake, that looks pretty sweet to me. I am getting impatient with my bud development too, but we still have 2 1/2 weeks or so to go!
peace

[Mr Burns]

Thanks guys.

The pictures were random buds and not something I picked out to impress, so like I say I'm happy with the resin production but A they don't look similar to other frosting I've seen and B maybe three weeks is long enough for them to swell up to what I want.
I suppose it's impatience as I'm suffering with it across the board right now. I want sunshine, sand, scantaly clad women and a beer and joint in hand, not sat around here in the rain waiting for harvest time!

[Mr Burns]

Bit of a pictorial update.

It's raelly getting smelly now but not in a bud way, more of a green smell. Humidity isn't up so it can't be that. Maybe they're just healthy and smelling green rather than dropping it? :shrug:
They seem to be firming up today so heres to a white Xmas. 2thumbs

Enjoy.


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[Shadows]

I dunno about a white christmas, but thats one hell of a green on you got coming your way. Damn Burnsy, hydro may be a disappointment to ya bro, lol

[Shadows]

you mentioned further back in your journal something about the light given off by your heater, and went on to say we have the moon and stars in the sky at night and all that blah blah stuff. Just as a bit of info, the moon when it is at its brightest and fullest doesnt even register 1 lumen, more like .17 or so.

[midwestbluntman]

damn burnsy,I am so jealous.I have never had a harvest like your fixing to have.Thats what i want to see when i open my closet door.Im hope'n that the HPS will make a diffrence but its more grower error than the light i think.so what kinda steroids you feeding them girls?

[Profound]

Now Mr Burns.....sorry I'm late coming into the grow man.

I've been catching up on all of the journals and had to post here first.

I'm really glad I stopped in too.....look at this place....perfect for a garden so close to harvest.
It's a great read too....from beginning to end with the addition of some POTM shots added.2thumbs


....continue to amaze us:peace:

Profound.......!Rastafari (http://66.225.205.4/listen.pls)!

[Mr Burns]

Shadows.
Thanks for that moon info. I thought the moon would have been stronger at it's best but thinking more I suppose the moon is a 'blanket' kind of light? Like when you can see across a valley?

MidWest.
so what kinda steroids you feeding them girls?

If I had em I'd take em myself! It's just Bio-Bizz all the way. I tend to give two waterings a day now. 1 litre of plain water about 6 hours after lights on and then 1 litre of tea another hour or so after that. Ideally I'd like to water as soon as lights are on but it'd be a 3am start and watering later gives me a dark period buffer when the heater and extraction are in control.
When I had the attic grow, the watering was finely balanced so when I went in at lights on they were dry, and a couple of times gagging for a drink :o I just tried to keep that teetering feeling at bay this time and kniow theres enough moisture in the soil keeping them buffered at least 6 hours into the light 12. It seems to work so far.

Profound.
You've been around since I first came indoors and have contributed to my journals even when I've been too selfish and busy to do the rounds returning the karma. Your a top geezer Pro and you know your way of words is more than welcome round my way 2thumbs

Right. I didn't have enough time to post everything I wanted yesterday and I wanted to taljk about the 'Crown' of the plant. Thing is, in my attic and greenhouse grows I noticed a couple of plants that had spindly tops looking more like a lettuce that's gone to seed. These plants look pretty crap until they develop a crown at which point all the buds below start to fill up and swell from bottom of cola to the 'crown'. I even turfed one out cause I thougt it would come to nothing but looking at these they look as though they'll yield far more than those who 'crowned' late?
I'll probably learn what the proper term for tis 'crown' is and any other info or experience with them is appreciated.



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[cidium]

Hey Burnsy,

I have the same tops on my plants. The strain doesn't seem to make a diff, mid to late in flower is when I notice the tops start to stretch. Most of the time I'll pinch the elongated top off and this promote the rest of the bud to fill out. I think the reason for this is the heat zone in the tron. The plants in the tron live in heat zones from top to bottom, the top running very hot sometimes. Also another contributor to this might be the tops are very close proximity to the bulb. With all the fans running my plants loft 4-5 inches from the bulb glass. This could cause stress on the very top and it becomes long. I have noticed when the tops start to stretch there are very few calyx, more leaf and stalk than anything else.

I should also add that if I have a crop of clones from the same mother they all don't stretch. So this would suggest that it is caused by something in the environment :sp ike:

[Mr Burns]

Spot on CID. You've hit the button cause they're the talest ones in there and hence in a hotter and probably more stressed enviroment. 2thumbs

Top man. I never got to the bottom of it so tahnks for giving your 2 cents. 2thumbs
Funny enough I topped em too but I'll go check I took enough off.

[cidium]

Here's a close-up of one of my plants on the last tron run. Not all the plants had tops like this, but there where a couple that did.


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[Mr Burns]

Mine are exactly the same Cid. In fact I just looked in and a couple of lower buds are starting to do the same. It's pissing me off a little cause that energy should be going to the buds that need it.
Don't you think it looks like a lettuce going to seed?

[Shadows]

Thanks for that moon info. I thought the moon would have been stronger at it's best but thinking more I suppose the moon is a 'blanket' kind of light? Like when you can see across a valley?


Think of it as trying to reflect light off of a black piece of paper. With a strong enough light source it will reflect, albeit very poorly.

That antenna deal is pretty weird man. I know there were some on HC.com in great disagreeance as to what the cause was. Temps, strain and light intensity all came to the table in the discussion. Personally I've only seen it one time in my grow and it was on a sativa dominant plant. It could have been temp related but it was only 1 strain that did it and I've since stopped growing it.

I feel its strain related, more likely to happen to the sativas, and its trigger could very possibly be the light intensity and duration it receives that late in flower. Think about sativas in general, growing in nature. Their natural enviroment has degrading durations of sunlight, as well as its intensity.

I'd try switching lights down to 10 on 14 off and see if that stops the upward progression.

[Mr Burns]

Grow room as of today.

Chronics.

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White Russian cola to rear. It may look good to some but I'm far happier with the Chronics.

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The next 10 LSTd Chronics on the perimeter of this grow.

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Heres one hooked out for a photo. Hopefully they'll be supple enough for some traning after this harvest.
These are in Bio-Bizz 'All Mix'.

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What I plan to do is drill a hole through the rim of each pot. Then I'll thread a bamboo cane through these holes and across the room with the pots staggered either side of the room for latteral growth. There's room for 9 out of the 10 this way but with one of the next generation looking like a runt, I might stick it in the corner for the sake of a few nuggets.

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[Mr Burns]

Image whore by name, image whore by nature.............. lights out.

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[Profound]

As Scooterpie would say







:grow: :rockon: 2thumbs :peace:

[Mr Burns]

Grab a handfull Pro. Plenty to go round............... 2thumbs

I have a question. What are these bastard fluffy buds about? Before I whinge any more, I cropped 2 Chronics and the white Russian main cola today which I'm satisfied with, but what the feck are the fluffy little nuggets and small buds doing? The attic grows had bud with the same firmness from bottom to top and all was smoke-able, but these fluffy buggers I threw in with the green.
I did bring it down a little early, and I'm glad I did as it'll give me good drying rotation along with a progressive harvest, so maybe it's underdeveloped? Maybe it was the pre-propane days when the temps dropped to freezing during the 12 off. Maybe that effected them?

Anyway, I have two Chronics that have fluffy main colas and if their stretch has stopped will be admirable colas if they finish. The reason I say 'if', is the side colas of these two plants are nearly ready and looking 2 weeks ahead......... maybe it's the freezing era....................

[cidium]

Burnsy,

What fluffy buds are you talking about? All the pictures you posted look like they have good buds in them? Here's my observation - Amount of light = firmness of budage. More light in turn makes denser buds as you already know. If the buds that are fluffy are mid range on the plant and this didn't happen before then maybe your bulbs are showing some age. It's the old inverse square thing again, as the distance from the source increases the amount of light reaching a surface proportionally decreased.

Since your plants did produce some dense bagable budage then I think your feeding and temps were in range, the other thing would be light. One other thought, maybe you need to give the plants more time to finish. Most strains take 6-8 weeks to "finish," note that finish might be long enough to bag and move. I have learned that strains are like women, some like to be rushed and road hard, while others like to take the slow ride.

Just a side note: I used to trim my plants at harvest down to a close clip for bags. Like the way you are doing, all the extra leaf gone and stems short. I found this method wasn't giving me a great end product as to smell and texture. I started to hang the plants whole, just wack the main stem and hang untill the shade leaves start to get crisp. I now trim all the shade leaf and some of the larger bud leafs off. I also cut the stems into branches and hang back up untill I hit the sweet spot, you know where the buds feel like a sponge. Then I trim the final buds and place in a plastic tub with the top open on one end to allow air. The whole process takes about 2 weeks but the bud smells so much better and retains that small once it goes into the bag. The texture is much better, more springy.



Cid

[Mr Burns]

If the buds that are fluffy are mid range on the plant and this didn't happen before then maybe your bulbs are showing some age.

They've only done 3 grows Cid. Maybe the idea of changing to dedicated veg and flower bulbs is on the cards.

As for the rimming I agree. You may remember the shots of the attic grows and bud lines all over the room. Thing si I haven't any space that's warm enough this time of year. The only other option would be to hang them in the flower room and if I remember correctly, light actually speeds up the curing but then again I've read HPS light can reduce the potency? That's the only option I have and I agree, I'd love to hang em for a few days.

You can see one of the two colas in the attatched pics and can even see light through it! To be hinest I'm a bit pissed off with em and am tempted to start some of my own cross which were better than these Serious.

Unless it's the lamps?????????????

[cidium]

Burnsy my old friend I had no idea of the problem until now. Those buds look like crapOla. My frist impression is the plant is in reveg, looks like it has been getting 20 hours of light. But since not all the plants did this it must be specific to that plant and the others that fluffed out. If these clones are from reveged clones it might be burnout? Never the less, it looks like a burnout of some kind. Clones from clones and so on lead to problems, if you think about clones it's the same plant that started from seed but like way older. Something with the genetics is causing that to your plants so you might be right by thinking to start with some need seeds.

[midwestbluntman]

Cid
Thats really interesting,I Didnt realize that clone after clone would eventually degrade the genetic.I guess the time frame for this to happen would be plant specific,Each with there own idividual symtoms?Now im sure that i want to try to get seed of this strain.Do you think that a burnt out strain can produce seed as if it was the first generation,or would it produce less likely to grow seed?

Burnsy
Man if my buds look that good at harvest,id blow a nut.And you are dissatisified,lol.Cid called them "lmao" crapola,Man do I have alot to learn.Im very new to growing,only done 4 or 5 start to finish grows.All of which has been hydroponic,Im just now starting to grasp the hydro side of growing.So the future looks very promising when i actually come to grasp the growing part of growing.

[Mr Burns]

Right I've looked at the lamp life and Sylvania say they have a 12,000 hour life span. These have done 2,500. Not saying it isn't the lamps but that's the hours sorted.

I chopped the two colas down but left the bottoms and lowered the shade over the three (two Chronics & the cola-less WR) and 1 short cola WR . The other 4 full size Chronics are under a higher shade with 1 showing similar shitty traits.

So here's my thoughts and this is a big turning point for me, so your input is appreciated.

I have 10 topped Chronics in 10 litre pots. These are in an advanced stage but I'm hoping to use them in the bubblers.
The other reason is these have been topped and it was the colas that were a problem so it's a gamble I am willing to take. If things fail it won't be a loss
either as I'm intending on changing strains so they'll be ideal candidates for a wrecky first grow.
Thing is, these are in 10 litre pots and the roots are showing through the bottoms. Will it be possible to use these? If not I'll need to grow these out in soil and go bubbler the grow after :mad:

This is it. I must say I'm a bit pissed of with these fluffy traits and if I'd have known, I would have spent the money elsewhere and gone bubbler. £100/$170 on seeds to end up with shite is beyond me.

One last thought. These weren't clones CID, they were from seed:shrug:

[peakguy]

Mr. B, did the russian finish with weak buds too? Mine has not gotten all swollen up as she finishes, but her buds are very frosty and firm. Even to the bottom of the plant. In fact, this morning I smoked some little buds from the bottom that I trimmed off about 10 days ago, not as big as the tip of your finger when I cut them, and it got me nice and stoned and settled into my chest.
Do you have a lens to look at the trichs? I would be curious how they look.
This is my first indoor grow, so I should be the last guy you take indoor advise from, but that problem seems like it would be light related.
I feel bad like for ya if you are unhappy with your results 'cause I know this takes a lot of time and effort. Hopefully your colas will cure out so good it will have been worthwhile.
peace

[dredank]

Wow burns, i have to say i didnt see this coming, i feel for you, my first grow i grew many plants in a small area, all big plants like yours and the only good buds were on the top 1/4. If the buds dont dry out to be worth smoking, just make it all into hash or hash oil,2thumbs
Goodluck:peace:

[Mr Burns]

Peak. Thing is, they have whispy cola buds but firm lower buds, so I don't think it's light or the problem would be the other way round?
I think the freezing period had something to do with it myself. Maybe the stem structure was effected and hence growth above the lower branches suffered?

What CID says I can understand and he's probably right.
All I know is things have to change and change fast. The buckets that are for going bubbler have arrived within the last hour so I'm on my way from dirt to a wet set up.
I have a feeling coming of wishing I'd changed a looong time ago!

[Mr Burns]

Dre it's only about 20% of the crop that is effected. Maybe not even that? So it's not a failure but simply a pain in the arse. I just don't like the fact I've wasted electric as homer and the boys work hard producing that shit for us 2thumbs
The rest of the plants I'm happy with. Not impressed but content with what I'm getting from them. I'll do this next Chronic LST grow, then the WRs and then I'll change. I'm getting bored with these now!

As for the hash, I did save all the trimmings and threw in all the fluff. I stuck it in the freezer for when I get around to dealing with the whole lot. That'll probably be after the bubblers are up, running and in a hopefull 'sweet spot'. I also threw it in the freezer without drying. I suppose that's ok?

[dredank]

i think you should be fine, what i do wityh my trim is dry it out in boxes then grind it up and make hash oil, works great, and the oil gets you soooo high,
http://okief.com/bho.html
cant smoke the stuff allday everyday though, if you do, your herb wont phase you nearly as much, and your lungs will be in pain. But its great to smoke a couple times a week2thumbs
:peace:

[XzoomD]

hey Burns, :D

just curious...any chance of a light leak? light leaks will make for fluffy buds and possibily cause hermies.

I don't recall what lighting your using but adding a metal halide or conversion bulb should tighten up your buds too. when I was only using a 400w hps..I had a problem with fluffy buds. I added a 400w metal halide to the flower lighting and since then it has really tightened up my buds. 2cents

:peace:

[Mr Burns]

DRE

I like the oil idea. Seems a simple method?

XzoomD.

Good call. My ballasts can run both HPS & Halide so it's something I can work towards and something I can be reading up on the next 24 hrs.

As for light leak, the propane heater gives off a little light and although one of the fluffy bud colas spent more time in front of the heater, the plant taking most of what light it gives off has good bud. So far. Maybe I can construct a black-out box for it to sit in.
I have to say that I like the halide idea better, although the black-out box can be incorporated. As long as I rotate the plants I could have the halide central and between the two HID shades which wouldn't be any hassle.

Nice call XzoomD 2thumbs

[cidium]

Hey burnsy,

Are most of the fluffy buds high on the plants?

[Mr Burns]

They are Cid. What are ya thinking?

I've dropped 4 of them and left 6. These I'm not going to feed anymore but just give water. Thing is, they're getting red hairs but theres so much green leaf left. I suppose my reasoning is somewhere between being dis-heartened with this strain and getting them finished as soon as I can.
Next grow will be the 10 'topped' Chronics in Bio-Bizz soil. After that it's bubblers or bust cause I aint got the stomach for this fannying around with soil.
The cut bud is part dried and now in a tub for curing the normal way. Burp burp. I hand rubbed/rolled the buds 36 hours after going into the burnsonator and although it was frigging sad to shrink the buds down, they now look like respectable 'smaller' buds. This lot can be put away and forgotten about. Maybe something for when we move and whilst the bigger grow op is being built. Should go nice in a pipe 2thumbs If not, hash making. 2thumbs

So no food anymore for the plants, just plain old water. That's how this grow stands for now, unless you can tell me different Cid?

[midwestbluntman]

I hand rubbed/rolled the buds 36 hours after going into the burnsonator and although it was frigging sad to shrink the buds down



Burnsy
What is the burnsonator,Is it a dryer or some thing along those lines?Got a pic,lol.Im always up for a new project,To bad im not much of a writer as id have a shit load of DIY's.My whole setup is DIY except nutes.

[XzoomD]

Ya know Mr B..I'm not real sure about this one but I think I mentioned my fiasco with melting marble chips with muriatic acid (hcl) for co2 this year. I think I got so fascinated by the whole process that I got carried away and overdid the co2...if walking in your basement to see a co2 mist floating throughout my basement..to the point that 'fire!' flashed through my mind. :D I had to vent the whole basement a few times..of course no co2 meters or anything..but all in all..I know I did overdo the co2 and the yield reflected such..first yield really sucked and it appeared my growing skills had gone in reverse a few yrs. ..and that was with temps approaching 100 F...I'm sure the heater does not put out the co2 that a stoner putting way too many large marble chips in muriatic acid just to see them melt does haha..but with cooler temps and less transpiration going on, the added co2 may be exceeding the window and affecting your yield like it did mine..or maybe it is a combination of the light and co2 emitted from the heater..or maybe neither ??..but like I said..I really did way overdo the co2 this summer and did not actually realize it until the first harvest under these conditions came in way below par....just something else to consider. 2cents
Great move getting the dual bulb lighting..I'm almost sure an mh will tighten the buds..altho it is by no means a cure-all for less than ideal environmental, it should minimize cell elongation.
If you are doing a mono grow..meaning all the plants are being harvested at or near the same time..yes, I would put the MH in the middle...but I am in the so called perpetual harvest thing..but if it was really so perpetual I would be able to just stand back and watch. :D...so what I do is put the newer plants directly under the mh to try to minimize the stretch and then move them under the dual spectrum and eventually over to the hps side to finish....but I have had phenos that take off in the stretch no matter what the lighting is...especially in the summer months when transpiration is accelerated...but again..like I say...this was my first year trying marble chips/hcl for co2 and after the first harvest I started cutting back on the co2...and harvest yield starting improving to the point that I was getting yields that rivaled or surpassed prior summer grows..I would guess that by summers end I was using 1/4th of what I was using when I began and was then fascinated that I had the 'power' to melt marble!..haha..moses ain't shit!...watch me!...see that mountain of marble!? :D
..so I said all that to say this...don't overlook the elevated co2 levels..I really don't understand the scientific's of it all because a plant doesn't really absorb oxy from the foliage..it is a root thing..so all I can surmise is that somehow the elevated co2 in the atmosphere of the grow room affected oxy in the substrate..????..whatever went on..me and co2 need some tweakology 102 before I can truly comment on using large marble chips/hcl for co2 instead of the sugar/yeast thing..which attracts critters...note~..before messing with muriatic acid one should know that it should be respected for what it is and can do..if it can melt marble..shouldn't take much to realize what it can do to your skin!!..so a mask and heavy duty rubber gloves are a must..along with your undivided attn. when handling it..you need a mask b/c it starts to give off vapor as soon as you take off the lid...haha..and b/c of this mist..I wouldn't suggest messing with in shorts. :D..all in all..at summers end I could not suggest to other growers to use it b/c it is so dangerous...but if respected correctly, it is a great way to supplement co2 at elevated temps..but I do not personally want to take responsiblity for suggesting it to someone and there is a mishap....but that is getting off topic.:rolleyes:

Babylon Oh Babylon!! haha :coffee: :smoke1:

[XzoomD]

btw~..as long as we are on lighting and you are doing 'mono-grows', if you want to experiment.....in some circles there is a theory that cutting the lights back to 10/14 in the later weeks of the flower cycle may actually help thc reach it's potential..uvb is involved too, I believe..but like I say..I'm in a so called 'perpetual' harvest thing these daze and have not been able to try it..when they suggested I go mono-grow and try it..they tried to sweeten the pot..(pun intended :D) by throwing in that it has the added benefit of saving on electric..knowing full well that I am cheap mofo. haha

[Mr Burns]

MidWest.
The 'burnsonator'. It's really just a cab I built for bringing on seedlings and young plants. I built a mesh rack into the top which the two 125W CFLs gentle heat passes through. Kinda natural moving warm air rising up through. Its not an ideal way of drying but I built it in for emergencies such as not having the space to dry. Such as this.
I'll hang future plants but these I just wanted to see the back of, and so in they went. It's worked very well as the heat isn't napalm in any way. After 26 hours (middle of last night) I removed the lid and the outer fluff bud was quite crispy. I could see the inner bud was still soft so I rolled em between my hands and so I ended up with them buds. I just look at em as condensed crystal leaf which isn't a bad thing? Probably best for cooking with?

XzoomD.
Nice work and thanks. CO2 may well be the problem? Perhaps I'll get an electric heater and give it a wurl? I wouldn't mess with chems myself. I blew myself up when I was young so I have great respect for explosives!
That sure is an interesting read what you got up to!
(edit)
This isn't a mono grow XzoomD as I have the next 10 chronics on the perimeter!!

Burnsonator pic by Cidium. Bugger!

[cidium]

Well burnsy,

I have never seen this problem before in my own grows or in any of the past journals on these growing sites. Your problem has really been rackin’ my spongy brain, even though it seems you have fluffy buds there is still something to smoke.

First, the idea that the plants have burned out would only apply to successive clones, clone from a clone and so on. I would venture to say that a single mother plant would provide healthy clones for some time but would also reach a point where genetic tolerances would start to appear. See, with clones they just don’t start fresh like seeds they are a legacy from the last clone/mother. So each clone(s) share the same age as the parent plant. Over time marijuana will become “spent” if kept in a continual state. I don’t know if you have noticed but mothers that are old in age tend not to bud as well as the first generation clones that they produce. Marijuana being an annual is always going to have a life span, taking clones and revegin’ is just a way to evade the eventual end. I know you said the plants were from seed stock, so this probably isn’t the problem unless the breeder you bought the seeds from has a problem with these seeds.

Your idea of the freezing is an interesting idea. I looked at this, when scroggers want to train a plant to follow the holes in mesh they sometime snap a stem to bend in the certain direction. This snapping of a stem is a major cause of a weak point in the stem. Over time the plant rebuilds that weak point and it becomes stronger than the surrounding stem. So if your plants had stress from the cold and parts of the stems were damaged then it would make sense that the plant would have repaired it. Bending of a stem is much different than damage from freezing but if the freezing damage was something beyond the plants ability to repair there would be much more obvious signs. I think if there was damage beyond repair the buds would have shown it.

As you might know plants are just biomechanical wicks. Temperatures and humidity regulate how fast water is transpired. In this process nutrients are passed from the soil to the vegetive materials in the plant. I have noticed some plant food are designed for low and “average” lighting setups. The hydro store I buy some of my stuff offers both low light and regular light formulas of their in house brands of ferts. Where I am going with all this is - the buds that you posted that are all fluffy look like they are in reveg or caught in limbo between veg and flower. When I want to reveg a plant to take clones from I do 2 things, add a ton nitrogen and throw a lot of light at it. Since the buds that show most of the fluff are topside then they are the closest to the light. So, is it possible that the top colas are also transpiring more water than the lower buds which in turn is bringing more nitrogen to the up regions of the plant? High nitrogen during flowering is a bad thing, I have never seen the effects of overdosing nitrogen during flowering but I would suspect that it would cause the buds to become long and lean. Is it possible there is a high nitrogen concetration in these buds?

Well, burnsy I hope in all this fluff I have posted helps you to find the cause to this since it would be a benefit to everyone to know.

[XzoomD]

Cid, interesting. 2thumbs

I think if there is too much nitrogen..it will be evident in the (harsh) smoke and the after-taste.

ok..I don't wanna start bogarting Burnsy's thread here or get into the turbo-posting mode. :D

:peace:

[Mr Burns]

Well, burnsy I hope in all this fluff I have posted helps you to find the cause to this since it would be a benefit to everyone to know.

:laugh: Not at all Cid, and I think you've hit the nail on the head with the 'N' factor.

RE: My own entry in this thread numbered 59 on page 6.

I'm feeding veg nutes right through just as Bio-Bizz advise. Every 3 or 4 feedings I give it double Veg nutes just to pick it up but that's it.
Maybe it's this exra N that helps? I did it in hope that it'd sustain some leaf matter but only because my pot sizes are under what's considered the norm and having had experience of major leaf drop.

I reckon you're right Cid. I've been giving it a double dose of veg nutes about every 5 days. Also, even the plants with 50% red hairs had (and have) very very green and healthy leaves.
To add another curio, the White Russian had extra water (not nutes) compared to the others and it has far more yellow leaf matter than the others put together. Reasons for the extra water is my own theory of bigger plant, same size pots but in need of more transpiration. This will have been a contributor towards the WR being ahead in it's life cycle, but there is still the point that it recieved far less N so your theory looks correct?

XzoomD.

ok..I don't wanna start bogarting Burnsy's thread here or get into the turbo-posting mode.

XzoomD you need not worry. I haven't seen you post any shite yet and I don't expect to see it. You fire away with whatever you like.

So whataya reckon? I reckon you've come up trumps Cid.

2thumbs

[Mel]

Serious seeds indeed!2thumbs How have I been missing this one? sorry to be absent so long Burnsy. I'm aboard now Mr Burns; better go tell Smither's to release the hounds:D

[Mr Burns]

Only hounds of love round these parts my good fellow.

:hippy:

I miss reading lots too Mel. I can even start a thread and forget it :ciao: :shrug:

[peakguy]

Mr. Burns, my russian did not like nutes at all. I learned that early on, and only gave her nutes through run off from watering the GK plants. Her bud sites are firm from top to bottom, and she is really frosty. I am glad Mel is watching here now so I won't be tempted to take that main cola early! But remember, I told you my russian went yellow very early, enough that at first I was concerned. Now I think the only thing holding her back is the cool room temp. I am baffled why yours would not be the same. Especially if it was the cola that was fluffy - that would probably eliminate my guess about the lamp. Good luck with this one.
peace

[Mr Burns]

Thanks Peak.
I think with soil, we imagine it being fail safe and 'eu natuaral'. That is to say it's natures way and that good ole earth in the bucket will take care of our plants. I think anyone using soil will admit to being ingnorant to a degree if honest. Were all off the ground and by no means novice growers, even if reletively new to growing it seems all here have a cirtain level of savvy, cause theres not one stupid ass comment or question and everyones plants seem something to admire (my fluff's questionable by eye :bong: ;) )

I've toyed with going wet and have looked at bubblers since around August. I haven't researched as much as I should but I've ghost watched enough GJs to know converts have had some real good success without the major concerns they had before hand.
The way I look at it is this. PH and PPM etc etc are terms that as a soil grower I translated to 'get it right or kill the plants' or 'get it right or you're gonna waste a whole lotta money', but the more I read the more I feel comfortable with PH and associated issues regarding wet systems.
Rather than wonder over why a plant behaves an unexpected way, wouldn't it be better to eliminate possibilities by knowing it's PH, PM EC etc etc?
You can probably guess I'm sold on this bucket method. I was going to wait until we moved house but I need to change for my sanity!
He said!

[peakguy]

My grow room is not the only gardening I do, I am just a dirt gardener all summer long, and having plants to tend during the winter keeps me from going bonkers. I do tend to think that hydro is more complicated and less forgiving than soil, but that is just my prejudice. My impression is that you are really a dirt gardner as well, so maybe you should just experiment with a small hydro grow but keep yer dirt workin' too. Hell, do a double grow of the same strain to compare. Look at me, given advice and such, I better git.
peace

[Mr Burns]

Look at me, given advice and such, I better git.

:laugh:

Say what you will Peak. You won't upset me unless it's sarcastic trick of words. 2thumbs

The current soil grow only has one cola left. I blasted all the pots with a hose and will give them just Bio-Bloom at full strength until harvest. I've only gave them water the last few days but the green leaves are a lush as ever.
Maybe these will take a lot longer than I or anyone else thought?

You can see the next grow along the back wall. That's going to be the last soil grow before I change to Bio-Buckets/circulatory bubblers.

http://www.homegrownbud.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=909&stc=1&d=1135180850

[Cranky]

oi oi me hearty,just a flying visit...goto catch up ya know;)

will do that once ive had a good cup of coffee and a nice big fatty...just got in...the train journy was a fooker(7 hours).:mad:

cranky

[Mr Burns]

How was the journey? Tell anyone a good story about yourself? I can help it when I'm on a train. Last time I went to London I was amongst a team of Motorola advertising execs who were making way to the head office in London. They were supposed to come up with a promotional slogan for a massive promotional phone launch in Rio De Jeneiro but had nothing but crap.
In good ole Burns fasion I told em they were all going to get the sack cause the slogans they had were used by Orange network 2 years previous. I told em to use ' Moto-RIO-la' as a slogan and they bit it. I've never seen such a sad bunch so hard at work on lap tops 2 hours from London. 2thumbs

Enough rambling. I'm just sittin here trimming what I thought was going to be crap, but turns out it's pucka stuff. Seems just 7 days made all the difference Cranks.

[Profound]

I'm just sittin here trimming what I thought was going to be crap, but turns out it's pucka stuff. Seems just 7 days made all the difference Cranks.

I for one know you didn't think it would be any less
Sweet looking harvest 2thumbs ....LOL @ pucker:D

[Mr Burns]

Cheers Pro. The buds did turn out better than I thought. In fact I just looked into my cuttings/hash bag and found 5 buds well worthy of keeping. I think a bit of discontent kicked in when I first found some fluffy buds.
All the buds are now crystalizing up and looking a picture.

Pictorial grow update.

Four of the Chronics that are now cola-less. The next 10 can be seen at the back.


http://www.homegrownbud.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=943&stc=1&d=1135275574


One (main) cola-less White Russian and a single late running Chronic to the right. A little bit of lamp burn can be seen on the WR side colas but I aint worried one iota.


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[Cranky]

:music: what a diffrence,aweek maaaaaakes,24 little floooooooowers:D

good show old boy.2thumbs piled the weight on huh;)

top man:)

cranky

[peakguy]

Nice SOG effect Mr. B. Looking mighty nice around your place. I have just taken a couple colas myself and they are hanging in the closed right now. I expect we will both be harvesting more over the next week or so. Did you clip a few buds to taste over the last couple weeks? I did and they are just making their way into the smoke routine and make me excited about what I will be smoking in another 6-7 months.
peace

[Mr Burns]

piled the weight on huh

Seem to have Cranky. I'm sure the colas I took because of fluff wouldn't have hardened or filled out.

Peak. I tried a bit of the main cola last night and it's a bit beyond what I like. It just monged me out. :crazy:

It'd be god for when you have a few un-interupted hours in the sun but with dark nights it's not my game. If I get visuals like that I prefer a good landscape or city scene to wrap my head around. I'd imagine sitting in times square blasted on it would be a god one, or death valley, Vegas, Paris or afloat. I don't smoke in the day and haven't for over 15 years. Work has been the biggest reason as working with gas and water I need my wits about me. On top of that I just can't handle some people and tend to speak my mind, although not in a nasty way, just postive but demorilising critisism 2thumbs :p

It'll stay with me in glass jars and be bought out on holidays etc. I've yet to get to Snowdonia national park and hopefully this year we will be. Or maybe even on me tod. Look at me rambling on.

Yes the weed is good :p

[Mr Burns]

I chopped the Russian today. Although it does seem light in appearance the actual buds once handling them are amongst the best I've seen including outdoor years. Superb calyx formation and parts had amazing frosting.

The 10 topped chronic are now pulled under one of the 600s and are already as tall as the side colas from the main grow. I'm hoping to have the main grow cropped withion 7 days so I can get on with training this next grow.

I have 6 WRs in potted up clone form and 6 clones from a reliable and 20 year hydroponic grower breeder. He says even a fool could get 9 ounces of one plant but we'll see. Fool I may be...........


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[peakguy]

nine oz from a russian. man, mine is not going to approach that, even though I am pretty happy so far with how things are going. I am hoping for 60-70 grams from mine. well, cured weight, I have been pruning her and most of that will not be included. Grow on, Mr. B.
peace

[Mr Burns]

Peak the 9 ounces was a new strain that a breeder developed over nearly 20 years. It sounds a bit fairy tale ish and that's how I'm treating it.

I weighed up my WR yesterday and had 3.5 ounces dry. That's less the main cola which as you know came down early.
I've got some re-cloning to do with the WRs, and I've spotted one of the 10 topped Chronics that'll make an ieal candidate for cloning. I was going to let the Chronics go but this one looks a peach. It's squat and compact with form stems and plentifull bud sites. I'll get a pic during final harvest of this grow.

Quite pleased with what I've cropped so far.

http://www.homegrownbud.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=1068&stc=1&d=1135851155

[Cranky]

burnsy,i just wanted to say :eek: !!!looking real nice bro.it still amazes how much go's on in just the final couple of weeks of flowering with some strains.6 weeks into flowering and ya left scratching ya head wondering if there going to frost up more or when or if the weights gonna come and by week 8 ya licking ya lips:p

goto love this hobby huh2thumbs

once again bro,top grow

nice one

cranky

[Mr Burns]

It is shocking Cranks. They;re really coming into fruit now.

You can see the next 10 Chronics that have come into play. One at the back seems very yellow so I've pumped it some N. The other Chronics shouldn't last more than 10 days before harvest..

http://www.homegrownbud.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=1069&stc=1&d=1135882862

http://www.homegrownbud.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=1070&stc=1&d=1135882862

[Mr Burns]

New years eve pictorial update.

I've been busy changing the extraction and work area of the shed today.
I need the extra room so I can lift the burnsonator off the floor and have the main res at floor level. Problem was that the extractor motor that was boxed into a stealth set up had to go. It works a treat but I had to remove the box in order to lift the burnsonator.

So I removed the box.

http://www.homegrownbud.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=1119&stc=1&d=1136052337

And hung the fan and scrubber on bunjee, venting the exaust through the floor.

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You can see a plastic bag packing out the ducting through the floor. This is only until the hardware shop opens after new years 2thumbs

http://www.homegrownbud.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=1117&stc=1&d=1136052337

You haven't seen this view before but it's looking back through the grow area into the work area.
With the shelf removed, the burnsonator you can see at the bottom will be chopped about and be lifted up as high as possible. This will give me the same area as you see above it for a nute tank and all air/water pumps.

http://www.homegrownbud.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=1118&stc=1&d=1136052337

This is the Chronic I have my eye on. Short squat and real dense bud formation. Being my first year of indoor growing I've not had the luxury of observing plants weekly let alone daily, but this one caught my eye and looks a perfect lowriding yielder to me. What do you think? It's the most lush green plant I've grown indoors so far.

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The strange leaf formation on the above Chronic.

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Crop views from left to right.

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Have a happy new year everyonem, and may the sun be upon our faces and the wind on our backs.

:peace:

[midwestbluntman]

Burnsy did you A/c the shed this past summer?I didnt and it was so hot in there.Set the lights to run after dark but that didnt really help all that much.I want to move and find a place with a basement.It would be diffrent if i owned the property i could make alterations to the shed to compensate but as it is i dont want to deface the property.

[Mr Burns]

MidWest.
I was in the attic during the summer but trouble with the local council inspecting the brickwork up there had me pulling out and building the shed. We live in a conservation area so anything we alter has to go through the local council first and anything we don't keep up together than can either lay the law down on us or get the work done and bill us!! That's one of the reasons for moving. Tis peacfull and typically English, but it stinks.
I do have a portable AC unit and not a mickey mouse one. A friend has one running 24/7 in his shop without any trouble so I bought one. I haven't needed to use it yet though, but theres enough space in the shed to roll it in.

I chopped the rest of the mature grow earlier. The one that had a stroke produced some albino bud which I haven't seen before and the buddage was a real treat to handle. I have enough finger material to have 1 good blow myself.

Heres the albino bud.

http://www.homegrownbud.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=1141&stc=1&d=1136153628


Last cola.

http://www.homegrownbud.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=1142&stc=1&d=1136153628


And a typical bud.

http://www.homegrownbud.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=1143&stc=1&d=1136153628


Bud rack in the burnsonator. 1ltr bottle of Bio-Bloom for sizing.

http://www.homegrownbud.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=1144&stc=1&d=1136153628


This is where the journal changes. I now have room to organise the 10 topped Chronics that I bought up from clone.
As our dear Cranky noted, I've only ever produced missionary postion plants and have never crossed over into the kinky side, well here it is Cranky. Oh, and because I'm using canes, don't expect to see Burnsy boy in a schoolboy outfit.
I'll leave that to Angus Young of AC/DC.

On with the show.............


Looking left through door.

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Looking right through door.

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Straight on.

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... and a bend to the left.....

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...... and a bend to the right.....

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Easier to see with the lights off.

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[Cranky]

Oh, and because I'm using canes, don't expect to see Burnsy boy in a schoolboy outfit.
I'll leave that to Angus Young of AC/DC.

lmao.....ive already seen yas with a thong on ya head so it would'nt come as much of a shock as ya might think:D


will be intresting to see the affects of lst late on in the game so to speak;)

nice buds there matey,good job!!

cranky

[Mr Burns]

Cranky.

About drying over a gentle heat, like with the burnsonator and having the bud on a rack above the two 125W CFls. It really does take the sting out of the smell. It's a much more sedate smell than hung cured. Just a thought for those who find themselves living amongst close neighbors.

[Cranky]

only thing i find with helping it dry abit is ya still get that clorophil taste when its done???might just be me but thats just my 2 bobs worth on it.best to dry it in the dark to2thumbs

cranky

[SNAPS]

will be intresting to see the affects of lst late on in the game so to speak;)




Hey Burnsy, ive just caught up on your journal, Crongratulations on the harvest bro2thumbs Looks like a good one.

Im interested in seeing the effects of your lst this late in flower too, from my personal experience i have noticed smaller buds and a slightly reduced yeild along with a longer flowering period when strapping the ladies up at this stage..personally i lst through veg and untie them in the 2nd week of flowering.:D

Grow on brother2thumbs

[Mr Burns]

Funny you should say that SNAPS. I might loosen em in the mornig cause besides one plants leaves doing a full turn towards the lamp, the rest just look like they've been knocked over. Not a leaf has turned on em. So yep, I'll be loosening up in the morning.

Cranky. I haven't smoked any yet but what I dried before seemed fine with a report of it being mellow on the smoke. Best you try a bit I say!! 2thumbs

Someone once posted that drying with light speeds up the breakdown of Chlorophyl. Not sure how true it is and I agree that hanging them would be beneficial, but with limited space and the finished product not being so rank it's a fair trade off for stinky buds.

[Cranky]

Cranky. I haven't smoked any yet but what I dried before seemed fine with a report of it being mellow on the smoke. Best you try a bit I say!!

;) no worries bro...like i said before..its amazing how much goes on in the last few weeks of flowering.....i belive it was nice when chopped early;) i have no doubt that it will blow ya socks off now its finished2thumbs


Someone once posted that drying with light speeds up the breakdown of Chlorophyl

hmmmm not sure about that one...even when the plant is chopped and hanging if theres light then photosynthisis can continue hence the production of clorophyl.its like ive take cuttings off a plant thats been chopped and thrown in the bin for 3 days and they still root....there still alive if ya gets me.

just my thoughts bro but aye....you goto do whats best for you buddy and if your happy with ya budds then thats good enough for me2thumbs

:peace:

cranky

[Mr Burns]

I see what you're saying Cranky. What I read was in fat the reverse of what happens then? That just about sums it up!!

Heres half of what I've harvested so far, with the same again as in these pics still drying.

[Cranky]

Heres half of what I've harvested so far, with the same again as in these pics still drying.

:eek: 2thumbs fair play bro..hat off to yas

general rule like burnsy,once the bud is harvested any light, high temps will degrade ya bud.

Drying
Drying and curing preserve taste, aroma and the buzz of the THC. Drying converts THC from its non-psychoactive acid form to its psychoactive neutral form. Drying also converts 75 percent or more of the freshly harvested plant into water vapor and other gases.

When harvested, the THC content starts to degrade. Light, heat (above 90 degrees F), friction from fondling hands and damp, humid conditions all degrade THC.


cranky:peace:

[Mr Burns]

Drying and curing preserves taste, aroma and the buzz of the THC.

So I'm right on it reducing the aroma or 'deminishing' the aroma, it's just the degredation of the THC I ought to be wary of.

Thanks for that info Cranks. I'm wondering if I have enough space next to the propane bottles to build a hanging wardrobe for em. I could plumb in a passive intake from the bottom of the flower room and have a passive exhaust from the top, back into the grow area but as near to the carbon filter to draw air through?
In fact you've got me thinking now. I could collapse the burnsonator and use the timber from that. Then I can custom build a replacement burnsonator for the other side...... :confused

How long is hanging recommended for in a vented cupboard? I've only ever done it in a garage.

[Cranky]

5-7 days for me.... and thats with a small 4 inch fan moving air around in there but thats just at the temps the house is at;)

:peace:

cranky

[Mr Burns]

Well I just pulled that lot out for a rest.
When the outer bud feels dry but not crisp I pull em out and trim them down. Then they go into the plastic tub until the drier outer has drawn out the inner cores moisture. Then they go back in the burnsonator for about 6-12 hours until they have a dry exterior. Then back into a closed tub for 12 hours and then left open to breath in the dark.
It really does supress the pungent aroma which I'm pleased about. It doesn't seem to effect the high but hopefully we can get together and have a sample day later in the year?

[Cranky]

oooooooooooh ya..thats what im talking about buddy2thumbs

get together and have a sample day later in the year

sounds good to me;) as for the aroma ive never really had probs with peeps coming across it as i always dry mine in my smoke room as its the only place i smoke in the house...as its only the inlaws that comes round,well,they just think its me having a joint;)

interesting all the same though burnsy.....cool idea for those that have to be extra cautious

cranky

[milagro]

Nice harvest there Burnsy!

Trim looks sweet as well.

Serious Seeds for the Serious budz! :D




milagro

[dredank]

Lookin real good burns, i aint been on much:rolleyes: but you got a some nice smoke for a while...some good strains:D
:peace:

[CB]

i never miss harvest time :rolleyes:

gotta say home grown bud is the best and you have a nice pie of it indeed 2thumbs

well done burnsy ole boy

got a nice spot right out back for a tent......think i best do a QC report on those nugz:D

just to make sure it ok and shit :p

grow on

[midwestbluntman]

think i best do a QC report on those nugz


thats what i was thinkin also when i was droolin over the pix,:teef: Great job burnsy,I hope mine comes out good,the wait is killing me.

[peakguy]

Burnsy, the jury is coming in and You are guilty. Guilty of a great lookin' harvest. Now, look back over your journal and reread the pages where you were all worried like. It has looked great to me from the get-go. Man, I would like to be there to pull a chair up to the table. Verdict is:2thumbs
peace

[Mr Burns]

Thnks everyone.

Milagro.
Serious Seeds for the Serious budz!
I'm gagging to try another strain though. The Chronics don't look so good topped and the next inline is the topped White Russians. See what happens.

DRE.
you got a some nice smoke for a while
Too long buddy. The hobby of growing outstrips my consumption but hopefully a festival will consume a good amount with cooking 2thumbs

CB.
got a nice spot right out back for a tent
Now you're talkin. What a blast that'd be hangin out with CB and burning wood in a wood...... 2thumbs

MW.
I hope mine comes out good,the wait is killing me.
You keep choppin at it and you won't! Been there though so I know what it's like. You don't have enough so you pick at the girls and before you know it you're loaded!

Peak.
look back over your journal and reread the pages where you were all worried like.
That's just me. If there isn't something to question it all gets a little boring. Sometimes I make alterations knowing I'm doing the wrong thing, but I'll enjoy putting it right again. Silly I know.#

[Mr Burns]

As it says, I'm not too happy with these shitters. Chronic clones and looking crap. The browning is mostly the heater when the fan was mis-positioned but I'm not that fussed with the way it's looking.
It looks as though less than 50% of the last yield. Roll on bubblers..............

Loking forward to seeing the topped WR clones now. Should be hydro too!

[cidium]

whoa bumski....man burnsy it seems you run into some bad luck my friend....

[Profound]

One step back.....



two steps forward :D

[Mr Burns]

:hello: Pro & thanks CID!

I'm gonna change strains. Seeds to be ordered tomorrow even though theres over 20 WR clones on the go.
I'll concentrate on the new strain and all that's happening with the grow and clones can take second place.

3 of the plants look like doing well but my theory is Chronics don't like being cloned/topped? The guide says don't top em, but I can't see that effecting the growth pattern? The alst lot were green right up to harvest. These basards have yellowing leaves from 4 weeks!

Hydro and new strain. That's the way to go.............

[SNAPS]

Hydro and new strain. That's the way to go.............

Please tell more...:D

wats the new strain Burnsy?

[mr_chow]

guess we found the hardy?


peace,

mr_chow

[Mr Burns]

mr_chow, I never realised your comment until reading through this old journal.
Man reading this makes me feel time has pased........