still digging the itunes dudes

[wakka]

I know I've mentioned it before, but, I sill dig Itunes, specifically itunes store. mrs wakka buys me a card now and then, and I go shopping.

this time, a new acoustic version of fade to black by metallica, two new acoustic songs by james taylor all from the bridges school collection, some charity thing they do every year.

but I also got some great hard to find seventies songs, boom boom, out go the lights, the boys are back in town by the bus boys, got some grass roots even.

grab a fifteen dollar card and see if you don't have a blast dudes. I be loving the itunes store.

a buck a pop for some awesome toonage.

[gorilla]

And for anyone else who does not want to pay for music... I reccomend going to utorrent.com and downloading their program. It's less than 1 MB and works very well. After that, check out btjunkie.org and search for the artist you want. Most of the downloads are in albums, either 1 album or multiple at a time, and will let you pick and choose which songs you want. Press download, and it will load in your utorrent client. Yesterday I clicked three times, and now I have every album Led Zeppelin ever made. :D

[drumin]

Sorry G-mang, nothing personal bro but as a working musician, songwriter and audio technician, I just want to say, PLEASE PAY for music and donate to good free music. Consider the work, and special talent required to write, perform, produce and market a single song... 99 cents per song isn't much to pay for the emotional high you can get from music.

I don't want to preach (too late) but just imagine if tomorrow, whatever you do for a living, if you your boss said "we can only pay you 1/4 your normal pay, and you have to work harder too". Same with software.

[Fred Lemonjello]

Just curious drumin..... whats the break down on that $0.99? I mean how much does the artist see?.... how much does the record label get?..... how much does itunes get?... etc?

2,600 X .99 = 2,574 :wow:
Fred

[sombro]

having been in a few bands I can understand how you feel about copywrite theft. I don't see how its the artist who loses out in this situation however. For a new band the internet can be a very powerful tool, I'll bet you can name several US bands who have emerged largely because people have downloaded their stuff and spread the word over the net.
Even struggling bands can benefit from the publicity although I'd guess they'd prefer cash!

As for the big losers, the big record companies, the huge selling artists, who really cares if these multimillionaires have to wait another month before they farm in their next million ? Do you think they're doing right by you by doing all they can to avoid paying tax?

[gorilla]

Do musicians make more money from CD's or concerts?

[drumin]

Just curious drumin..... whats the break down on that $0.99? I mean how much does the artist see?.... how much does the record label get?..... how much does itunes get?... etc?

2,600 X .99 = 2,574 :wow:
Fred


Well the straight republican type answer is... The artist gets 91 cents from every 99 cents.

The real answer is certainly more complicated than that. What does it cost to get to a place where you can get that 91 cents. Consider that you have to pay for everything that gets you to that point compared to getting up and going to work as an engineer or salesman or computer tech. Being a working musician is like owning your own business, your responsible for the cost of everything.
Consider as well that you could take a cheap mic, plug it into your sound card and record a song that you wrote, burn 5 cds and send them to CD baby and for $55 they'll sell it on their website and send a digital copy to Itunes, Rhapsody, Napster, etc. and it won't cost you much more than the $55. Of course, you will probably never recoup that $55 because the quality of your product will be far below the accepted standard.

G man, live shows are the bread 'n' butter for musicians unless you are a studio musician for hire or Steely Dan. ;)
Bar bands don't make more than $500 (mostly cities $300 or less), Festival bands and openers make more based on their popularity (most of their income at live shows comes from on the spot CD and merchandise sales)
However, you will never get on a tour that makes money or on a festival circuit unless you get an agent and agents want bands that are selling CDs and merchandise.

Sombro, I could care less about the big record labels or the britney spears' and nickel backs of the world, I'm talking about independant artists who need that money to keep making music. Gorilla's downloading Led Zep doesn't bother me in the regard that they've made their money (although I'm sure they'd prefer to have more) but it's the idea that it's ok which carries over into not paying for any music which hurts the Indies of the world.

[wakka]

Well the straight republican type answer is... The artist gets 91 cents from every 99 cents.as far as I know, this is incorrect. to the best of my knowledge, most get far less than that.

the people who signed up early with itunes get a much bigger share than those who have just recently signed up to sell on itunes. I think I heard metallica was getting like ten cents a song. which doesn't sound like a lot, but with their recent sales being not so very good, no concert coming up, they are probably happy to get any income at all.

I get mostly one hit wonders from itunes.

[sombro]

is it just me or does Apple's domination of the mp3 player market make anyone else uneasy? I've always thought there was something not quite right about the defensive and patronising tone Apple users take when lording it about their three bits of software. So in order to be less like them I choose not to use any Apple products.

Including iTunes, which I've tried but it didn't give my partner an orgasm everytime we made love like some users were claiming.

Just before Xmas I left my mp3 player on a plane, I was very pissed off, it cost 200 a couple of years ago, a Rio Carbon it had a 4G memory (enough in my opinion) and looked muy chulo, like a flat pebble. So I'd got some money for Chrimbo and I thought I'd have a scoob on ebay. God ebay is great! What a load of rubbish, but its all so cheap!!


They can't give away 4G mp3 players these days, for 20 euros plus post and packing you can get a generic name mp4 player of the same size. 40 euros in total for the equivalent of an iPod nano new gen 4Gig worth 200 euros or more. I flirted with a bid of 130 for an iPod nano, 250 in the shops it went for
132.50. I didn't feel bad about the loss, I was starting to understand how Luke felt when he gave in to his dark side. In the end I spent 90 and got one with expandable memory and a big screen. It'll get left in an airport or train in due course i'm sure.

So what is so great about the old iTunes then? I'm willing to listen!

[drumin]

as far as I know, this is incorrect. to the best of my knowledge, most get far less than that.

the people who signed up early with itunes get a much bigger share than those who have just recently signed up to sell on itunes. I think I heard metallica was getting like ten cents a song. which doesn't sound like a lot, but with their recent sales being not so very good, no concert coming up, they are probably happy to get any income at all.

I get mostly one hit wonders from itunes.

Going back over my post I neglected to mention that CD BABY gives 91 cents to the artist for what THEY sell, ITunes, Rhapsody, Napster etc. all have different royalty schedules. CD Baby sends them the digital copy for you but those other places then decide what percentage the artists get from them. CD Baby is the highest percentage. Also, you can go directly to ITunes and get a standard deal from them (less than 91 cents per) but you have to have a UPC code on your CDs. UPC codes cost $750.00 so usually only bands making money or signed with a label get a UPC, everyone else goes through CD baby with gives a UPC to your CD for $20 (it's comlpicated how it works).

So Wakka, you are correct that not every place give such a good percentage to the artist.

[Cranky]

i ain't gonna get to into this but .....the way i see it is....

if your music is plastered all over the internet and selling in the shops then ya most prob gonna have a few mill in the bank anyways.

2 hot dog stalls next to each other...1 is free the other is 2 bucks.....i know what id choose.

i also think music is a personal thing.....i mean yea its nice to make a few bob from it but i personally wouldn't be in it for that reason....producing music is abuzz and if peeps can really enjoy it to then thats enough pay for me;)

I'm available anytime....a few pints 1/2 oz and kebab will keep me happy.

though i do understand peeps views on this in this thread on all sides.

just my 2 bobs worth.

[Shadows]

I use limewire and will download 2-3 songs off an album, listen to them and if I like all 3 I'll go buy the album in hopes of a better recording, cause MP3s have always sounded empty to me. If I dont like but one of those songs I delete the other 2 and keep what I want.

I was very happy when Napster first started up, my first 25 downloads from there led me to buy 4 cds and the downloads werent that bad. Now adays, close to half of the songs I get off lime wire are shit copies with beeps or have been recorded thru secondary equipment and sound like internet radio.

So, Im a firm believer in the ability to sample music before purchasing it, hell walmart even has a cd sampling machine that I dont have to pay to use when it works. But Im also a firm believer in that if you like what you've sampled you should purchase the real deal.

[wakka]

is it just me or does Apple's domination of the mp3 player market make anyone else uneasy? I've always thought there was something not quite right about the defensive and patronising tone Apple users take when lording it about their three bits of software. So in order to be less like them I choose not to use any Apple products.

Including iTunes, which I've tried but it didn't give my partner an orgasm everytime we made love like some users were claiming.

Just before Xmas I left my mp3 player on a plane, I was very pissed off, it cost 200 a couple of years ago, a Rio Carbon it had a 4G memory (enough in my opinion) and looked muy chulo, like a flat pebble. So I'd got some money for Chrimbo and I thought I'd have a scoob on ebay. God ebay is great! What a load of rubbish, but its all so cheap!!


They can't give away 4G mp3 players these days, for 20 euros plus post and packing you can get a generic name mp4 player of the same size. 40 euros in total for the equivalent of an iPod nano new gen 4Gig worth 200 euros or more. I flirted with a bid of 130 for an iPod nano, 250 in the shops it went for
132.50. I didn't feel bad about the loss, I was starting to understand how Luke felt when he gave in to his dark side. In the end I spent 90 and got one with expandable memory and a big screen. It'll get left in an airport or train in due course i'm sure.

So what is so great about the old iTunes then? I'm willing to listen!it's easy to navigate, I can hear a bit of it to see if it's a song I want, and the download speeds are very, very good. and the recording quality is always great.

but I can tell by your sarcastic attitude that it would be a waste of my time to go much further with this. but heaven forbid apple has a product that people want. I mean if it were any good, some p c manufacturer would have come up with it already, right?

and by the way, itunes has never given me an orgasm either.

[Cranky]

lol...i just got an ipod shuffle for crimbo..

now i had itunes ages ago but didn't really like it...but it seems i need to itunes to get tunes onto my mp3 and i must say its pretty damn straight forward....i just move what i want from my music into itunes as i dont have all my tunes in there and then plug in my ipod shuffle and it automatically transfers them...same the other way round...

i dont know...some peeps just dont like change...im one of um...i still like me ol wma and winamp....who knows...maybe ill get into the whole itune thing one day.

cranky:cool:

[drumin]

i ain't gonna get to into this but .....the way i see it is....

if your music is plastered all over the internet and selling in the shops then ya most prob gonna have a few mill in the bank anyways.

2 hot dog stalls next to each other...1 is free the other is 2 bucks.....i know what id choose.

i also think music is a personal thing.....i mean yea its nice to make a few bob from it but i personally wouldn't be in it for that reason....producing music is abuzz and if peeps can really enjoy it to then thats enough pay for me;)

I'm available anytime....a few pints 1/2 oz and kebab will keep me happy.

though i do understand peeps views on this in this thread on all sides.

just my 2 bobs worth.

But ya see Cranky, you can find all kinds of free music on the net. But if an artist wants you to pay for their music and you want to listen to that music, shouldn't you pay them? Why do people feel that music is different than any other item produced or manufactured? If I make bird houses and want to sell them should people just take them because they want to? If I make bird houses and give them away for free should ALL bird houses then become free?

[Cranky]

i knew id end up going down this road when i posted that lol:p

well bro,,,,i just think we have different views on what musics about...

the last pub my dad kept held a folk night every Tuesday night and musicians came from all over just to jam for free.

the way i see it is the music comes first and then if peeps like it then the fame and money will follow.Ive never heared a band anywhere going on about that peeps leeching off the internet is robbing them...

its like me....i play live on the net...anybody can watch....i wouldn't dream of putting up a mix of mine on itunes just to make some money,who's gonna pay for somit that they have never even heared of?i wouldn't.like i say...for me its about putting a smile on peeps faces and abit of a groove into ya bones.if peeps like it they will come,,,spread the word,,,maybe a lucky break pops up and wola...bingo....

man..ive have lots to say on this but cant seem to spit it out...

errrrrrr basically,,,if ya unheard and trying to sell ya tunes on the internet then ya ain't gonna get rich fast...alot of hard graft has to go into it and like i say...if ya do get to that point where ya have albums and shit then you are gonna make big time money anyways....

fuck it,,i feel like I'm chatting shit now lol

no weed see.ill get back to this one when Ive had a smoke and can think more clearly;)

just diff views i guess:cool:

cranky

[wakka]

I don't know if anybody else caught this weeks episode of scrubs. it was probably one of he most amazing things on t v. my opinion of course, but dudes, it was a musical, and every song was just amazing. as soon as we realized it, we turned on the stereo and cranked it. dish network is five point one, so the audio was perfect.

great story, great song and all dance numbers too.

any who, the reason I'm telling here is that itunes is offering the song "guy love" for free. of course you have to have itunes, but it is a free video download.

the down side is that although they offer all the other scrubs episodes for two bucks, they are holding the musical episode back unless you spend thirty five bucks and get the season pass, which is all the episodes for this season.

in my opinion, totally punk move on their part. screw them, I'll wait till the season on d v d comes out and give them my money. I like apple, but I'll always call it the way I see it, I don't appreciate having what I think could have possibly have been one of the greatest half hours held ransom.

go download the video, I really do recommend it dudes. really do.

but it's going to be a while before I get another itunes cards. I can withhold things too, like my money.

[ice#1]

hi

[Chronic007]

I don't know if anybody else caught this weeks episode of scrubs. it was probably one of he most amazing things on t v. my opinion of course, but dudes, it was a musical, and every song was just amazing. as soon as we realized it, we turned on the stereo and cranked it. dish network is five point one, so the audio was perfect.

great story, great song and all dance numbers too.

any who, the reason I'm telling here is that itunes is offering the song "guy love" for free. of course you have to have itunes, but it is a free video download.

the down side is that although they offer all the other scrubs episodes for two bucks, they are holding the musical episode back unless you spend thirty five bucks and get the season pass, which is all the episodes for this season.

in my opinion, totally punk move on their part. screw them, I'll wait till the season on d v d comes out and give them my money. I like apple, but I'll always call it the way I see it, I don't appreciate having what I think could have possibly have been one of the greatest half hours held ransom.

go download the video, I really do recommend it dudes. really do.

but it's going to be a while before I get another itunes cards. I can withhold things too, like my money.

Scrubs is funny as hell!:cool:

[wakka]

it's been a while since itunes has come up, so I guess it's time again period.

a whole ton of shit is available. I mean there is so much available now.

paul mccartney, john lennon and ringo starr have had all their catalogs released to itunes now. ringo was just the other day. his photograph album was remixed and for seventeen songs it's only ten bucks. and dudes, it takes me right back to being like fifteen years old. way worth the ten bucks.

I know we can all get everything else where for free, but I love getting first class files off itunes period.

if you haven't ever looked around istore, you really are missing something special.

the live eight minute version of godzilla is so worth a buck.