Short and wide...

[Mr. Bud]

Hello folks.. I am really new to this growing thing.. The wife wanted me to grow a couple plants for our own use.. I started some clones, they had mites and now are stunted...

My question is this, I have one that I started from seed about 6 weeks ago. This plant is almost as round as the 3 gallon pot that I have it in.. The part that is throwing me is that It's only about 6 inches tall. We are not sure but we think that this is a White Widow; I am still trying to find out for sure.

One other thing, I noticed some small rusty looking spots on the lower leaves.. Besides that the plant looks great, nice and green, thick stock.. I will try to get some photos to post.. Battery on camera went dead when I tried to take some..

I am not sure the PH, but HR is 30% to 35%. Watering about every 4-5 days. Soil is Black Gold with no nutes. Stem fan running with light breeze. Room temp is 75 - 80 at plant base. Growing with SunLeaves 8 bulb florou's, with T5 lamps. Also, home made CO2 compressor running in room, not sure PPM. Light has been on 24/24, I changed to 20/4 just a couple of days ago..

This is a great little plant.. The smoke is out of this world so I am realy wanting to salvage this little girl.. Oh, she is also showing sex, has signs of a little girl on the nodes.... Please Please Please, let me know what I need to do here..

[Mr. Bud]

Just a side note.. I used florou's from seedling.. Started with regular shop lights for first week then put her under the T5's, light was only about 2 inches about the plant the entire time... Yesterday I rased the light to about a foot above the plant.. Is it possible that I had the light to close so the plant didn't get verticle growth?

[Elephunt man]

Well...gonna post this again...even though HGB and I already told you twice on 'that other forum'.

Your damaged plants sound like they are suffering from a micro or trace deficiency. Since your soil is good...I would blame this on ph lockout from your untested well water. If you still don't have a ph tester, start giving them filtered water and hope for the best.

Short internodal spacing is a good thing and has alot to do with distance to light...that is the reason so many veg with flouros.

[Mr. Bud]

Thanks for the info again EM.... Sorry about posting the same question again.. I wasn't sure if I was takeing over someone elses thread so I thought I would post with a new thread and more current info.. I also sort of lost my where it was that I posted those notes... lol... Sorry, maybe need to cut back on the weed. lol.. :eek:

So, bottom line is that I really need a PH tester... Off to the store...

[gorilla]

I hope that PH tester helps to fix your problem, Bud. I get the idea the problem is stemming from your water, considering you're using a good soil and no added nutes. It is a bummer you've been growing her for 6 weeks now and she's giving you trouble. Would suck to have to start over, but you always can.

Keep us updated.

[Mr. Bud]

Oh crap, pH is at 7.6 out of the tap.... What am I looking for 5.0? Also, once I get it where it needs to be do I want to wash it out of there with the adjusted water??? I did water two of the plants already with the adjusted water until it came out the bottom around 5.0pH.

Thanks so much for your help on this.. 2thumbs

[Lungus]

Wow dude, easy, 7.6 is GOOD. Perfectly neutral, neither alkali, nor acidic is 7.0, if you had a reading of 5.0 that would be WAY low. Your water is just slightly alkali which isn't a problem because most nutes are quite acidic and bring the pH of your nutrient water way down and you will likely still have to adjust the pH up to stay in the right zone, which, if your in soil is 6.3-6.5. Remember with the pH scale each .1 difference is twice the one before it, so 6.3 is twice as acidic as 6.4 and 6.2 is four times as acidic as 6.4. Same goes the other way 7.2 is twice as alkali as 7.1 and 7.3 is four times as alkali as 7.1. So a reading of 8.0 is ten times more alkali than 7.1, same goes the other way again a reading of 6.0 is ten times more acidic than 6.9. The scale is from 0 to 14, zero being the most acidic and 14 being the most alkali with seven as neutral.
Here's something interesting I didn't know about pH that I just read in wikipedia: Most substances have a pH in the range 0 to 14, although extremely acidic or extremely basic(alkali) substances may have pH less than 0 or greater than 14. An example is acid mine runoff, with a pH = -3.6. Note that this does not translate to a molar concentration of 3981 M.
P.S. In wikipedia they use the term basic for readings above 7.0, so instead of alkalinity it's called basicity (really).

[CB]

5 is a bit low there bro :eek:

really needs to be above 6 fer soil plants for best results ... try around 6.5 or so and see how that does

ppm of well water will help us to help you to..... could have hard water as most wells do ;)

and as has been stated ,pot size is a bit large like for a clone and is most likely grow'n mass roots for now.

hows the ventilation in the room? ( intake and exhaust)

grow on

EDIT: posted the same time as lungus hehe just forgot to push send

[Mr. Bud]

Right on, I thought that 7.0 or more was to high, hate to admit it but I was wrong again.. lol... Thanks for breaking that down.. Pretty easy to understand when you explain it that way. What do you think could be making those rusty looking spots on my leave if it isn't pH... There shouldn't be cL in the well water or could there be??

Should be venting pretty good. I have a small fan inside the room but it is vented to draw air in... The + pressure inside should be pushing the air through the vent on the otherside. I guess I messed up on the pot size.. Didn't realize that the roots would grow more then the tops... If this is the case then will it just take longer before I can put them to flower?


Thanks for your help... :D

[Lungus]

Like CB said the pH in your pot is a bit low, should be just over six. A tiny bit of dolomite lime sprinkled on the top and watered into the soil would likely help raise the pH of the soil a little into a more acceptable range. Anybody else with thoughts on this. I've never used Black Gold soil before.
Also like CB said get that water checked out for ppms of salts and minerals.

[gorilla]

Hey Mr. Bud.

Just wanted to give you this. Maybe it will help. Seems to me between 6.5 and 7 is best for soil. My tap tests at 6.2 and doesnt bother me one bit. I've read that PH goes up a little bit as the plants eat. So, if you water at 6.5 and it raises to 7 after a while.. well, you're golden. :p I'm a newbie when it comes to PH, Mr. Bud. - Just trying to get you the info you should know.

[Mr. Bud]

Thanks Gorilla, thats a great chart... Im going to print that out and put it in my grow file.. Im pretty new to this hole growing thing. I tried to take it all in and grow great dope right off the bat... Figured out real fast that that doesn't happen.. I do have three plants that; as far as I know, I haven't messed up yet... I came to the conclusion that there is so much to learn that I would take one thing at a time and try to better the way I am doing it... I thought at first I had a soil (pH) problem... Turns out I was just tripping.. pH is good... I think Lungus and a couple of the others were right about the pot size... I think that I may have put them into to large of post to soon... Newbies mistake for sure.... Going to use small grow bags next time to see how that goes...

Thanks for the chart dude.... :watch:

[Cakes]

It kind of looks like the logjam was helped a little by lack of water.