the Blind Pig Cannabis Conservatory

[pie]

Howdy Folks and Folkettes…. My name is pi…. Hyas Tyee of the Blind Pig, the place where I experience one of the most fulfilling hobbies a human can be lucky enough to participate in. Granted I have become a pinch obsessive, but for my side of the argument, I spend a hell of a lot less loot on my hobby than say a boat rid’in/fish’in dude..... er one of those folks that sit and watch cars they can never have, driven by people they will never share time with, go around in circles, mak’in noise that all species of mammals but 1 on the planet finds stressful and unnecessary…. No offence… I just fail to grasp it… so I have withdrawn to my garden …… These clones were cut from two different mothers that I have not a clue other than some Great rotational smoke from the follow’in possibilities,
Golden Skush, Sensi Star, Afgan or Widdow plant, with a chance of Bubble Funk thrown in to farther confuse. I have three out of those as mothers but don’t know what is what. Also have a AK-47 mom, but that string bean stands out. Anyway these were cut on the 23rd of November and since then I have had to move them to a larger 120 qt. cooler from the 70qt. Far as nutrients go…..I use only a 1:2 GH Micro/Bloom RO mix in every stage of growth that I add GH Base for pH maintenance and my range is a wander’in drunk of 5.6 to 6.1…. I could probably do better ……will the trouble really yield that much improvement. You tell me in about 90 more days…..
I am presently wait’in on the other ladies shown below that should come off on the 25th
Yes I know they are all burned and curled look’in and that is the reasons I am here, to expand my gardens knowledge beyond its current limitations….oh and don’t mind the kite….I’ll get it at harvest…..
be glad to answer any inquiries….

pi

[gorilla]

Lookin' good pie.

I'll be around. See ya.

[WilliamClarkeQuantrill]

Howdy bro. :smokin:

Dime at a Time, by Ernest Tubb


My whole life saving's a two dollar bill that's why I'm here tonight I've got time to kill
Now I can tell my story about twenty times
With two dollars in the jukebox a dime at a time
Two dollars in the jukebox a dime at a time
Play that same old song about the love gone wrong till closin' time
Two dollars ought to do me if you'll buy the wind
And I put it in the jukebox a dime at a time
[ guitar ]
Pardon me Mister mind if I sit down misery likes company and I believe that I found
Somebody just as lonely don't believe I'm wrong
If you had a place to go to you'd have done been gone
Two dollars in the jukebox...

Nice of you to wander over this way. :smokin:

[Elephunt man]

Just love it when guys post root shots too:gthumb: , thanks for sharing your grow with us.:)

[Shadows]

Present and accounted for Pie. Familiar strains and familiar faces, what more could ya ask for?

grow on bro!

[pie]

Thanks Everybody for the flowers and the visits gorilla, WCQ, Elephant man, jjss3o2s, and mr. Shadows….

No big news just a personal note for later reference…..
Started harvest today by chop’in all the top portions of the strain (9 of 16) that was ready and left the light colored buddage to get a little more sun.. They were some sticky girls.....sticky as the Pig has ever had….the odor is a heavy resiny stink….the other seven…..I just don’t know….. I must set up to look at there gland color cause they appear as though they are go’in to still be lightly putt’in out flowers right up to chop… this can be seen in the previous post on the tip of the tops. Also this bunch resin is more oily than sticky and their smell is fruitier and not as loud as the others….

Back to the clones…..I was look’in at them this morn’in and day dream’in about the months to come,,,, as a grower must do if he/she is to escape the garden for rejuvenation,,, and it looks to me like I may fore go any veg under the 4k with this next group… well just enough 18/6 to get over the transplant. My thing is, I need two weeks or a little better, away from the garden sometime in May or June for a extended scooter trip and since this has been a bumper crop it would be a good time to take a risk and if it works I have enough time to do two rounds like that by the first part of May….…this strain com’in up should turn around in 50 + flower’in days……think’in this out as I type Hummmmmm….then I could cut clones and when I get back they would be ready to go again…hot damn this sounds better than completely shut’in down….of course let’s figure in the fact it’s 10:30 am and I’m ah listen’in to a 12” platter of Gary Stewart higher than a bustard rat so I better think some more on it…..

Later
pi



Oh and for the record... the cooler reservoir temps. of 62* that was allowed to drift upward over five days did wonders for discretely slow'in the overall growth rate of the clones but did not completely halt growth. the root mass sorta just hung in volume till now... Took about a week off of them...:D

[The Hooded Claw]

Missed the start (not uncommon for a fuckwit like me) but I'm here and standing to attention senior.

This going away on vacation lark, it's funny you mentioning this cause ever since I did the same I've had many variations of self topping Hydro systems go through my mind.
IMHO you want to forget about the ballcock valve.
My last thoughts were based on the auto chicken water feed hoppers you see in chicken runs. You know? the ones that work on gravity and vacuum?

There are things to be taken into consideration with pipe size and height, but if I were to leave them again I'd use the hopper method that relies on no mechanical nor electrical ancillaries.
Some carpet tubes are now appearing plastic and up to 12 inches in diameter, although they're tending to re-use them so they may be hard to obtain. You could use a shorter container but you'll need girth to hold enough contents for the duration of your vacation.
I'll stop there in case anyone else has something to chip in. The tap in the pic would only be used when filling the vacum chamber. After that its automated.

Nice looking roots Pie man. Nice looking greenery too.....

[Profound]

I may do more lurking than posting in waterworld journals, but I know the gardeners when I see them at work.:deal: sign me up as well.

You guys are brilliant no matter what you do, how you do it or where you do it.....:greatjob: the hydroponics method of gardening seems so simple; yet I wouldn't dare touch it.....:eek: It would turn to mud overnite....:damn:

[vernonsupreme]

glad to see ya round mahn, thought that was you on another post by the username but i didn't speak up; you know me, always the quiet type :D

[herb]

I may do more lurking than posting in waterworld journals, but I know the gardeners when I see them at work.:deal: sign me up as well.




Me too. :D




be glad to answer any inquiries….




Are you as handsome as you are eloquent? :ciao:



herb

[pie]

THC…..Feller that chick’in water thing is a great idea, I must remember….I love us'in natural phenom stuff...However my clone unit is a 120qt/113liter cooler that I should be able to premix for a couple of days to stabilize at about 70ppm of the 1:2 M/B around 5.8 and walk off and leave it for two weeks and when I return they should be rooted with some fresh foliage that has by now possibly drooped slightly for want of some fresh N. CARPET TUBES!.... somebody say Carpet Tubes????...Coooooooool…. I like to take one of the cardboard tubes… 4” I think it is …. And cut about five foot off it… now set up your propane torch or Bunsen burner with a vertical flame, hold the tube vertically over the moderate (not roar’in)flame so that the hot air rises easily in the tube, with a little vertical adjustment the tube will start to resonate and produce a neato roar….Different lengths different tones,,,, Kinda-ah rednecks pipe organ sort of a setup…12” might get so low you could rattle glass if it’s not too big , down side it would probably be below human hear’in threshold mak’in it difficult but not impossible to tune……hummm if’in ya had a couple to cut up for test’in?….Little something for The Hooded Claws neighborhood from pi.

Profound….Always glad to have a person of the earth….Water freaks…hummm…It may be & appear to be a lot of things but the one thing it will never be, is the way the plants genetics are geared to grow, and it is on that point alone I believe I sacrifice quite a few of the finer subtleties of the plant that the soil grower must experience that I sacrifice for speed of maturity…

vernonsupreme…….one of the friendly faces that I saw on membership here that made me think I better give this place a good look see…..

herb….come on in and cop-a-squat….eloquent? He He He, Ha Ha…..I guess about average for a beat up just shi of 50 year old….I think Kinky Friedman said it best when he stated “I am too old for the women to care, but not old enough for Medicare”


After dig’in up me old Radio Shack hand held look’in deal I saw that these girls could have been cut a couple days ago. I loosely guess 65% amber. When cut’in I found a pinch of mold on two of the tops but it won’t claim over and ounce total so I won’t cry. But ….given it’s location in the grow area I will say that airflow was the weak link that let it enter. And the fact that whatever this weed is, the buds are harder than little brother on his first date….. this plant has done this before. Another factor that doesn’t help is the fact that when the 16 plants are soak’in up about ¾ gal of solution a day each , the humidity seems to linger around 60-65%. Dur’in that time it doesn’t seem to matter the RH outside with rain driv’in RH up to 70%+. This brings me back to last post when I was blather’in about go’in 12/12 with the clones fresh out of the chamber and into the main system. Less foliage to put humidity into the air….For reference they will be around 8” in height at that point and each plant has 4 sq. ft. each which translates to 12” out from the main stem in all directions. OK at 8” and they triple in flower this finals at 24” vertical….I’m a lik’in it…..OK now that I can delete the 10 to 12 days of 18/6 this would allow me at least one more growth cycle in a year. Another thing is wouldn’t be wait’in on this lower growth to green up…. so that cuts another 5 days off…. Well to bring it to close ….what is left will be green in a couple more days and the plan is to chop all one day and dump baskets and refill system at about 350ppm for next day transplant….Do ya’ll think I should give them 5 days of 18/6 or just bam…..12/12 under the 4k?????
pi

Been here less than a week and have already had a major insight? mmmmm Goood read'in....

[Profound]

I think that's the most I've seen you type ...:bong:


I say give 'em the 5 days

....nothing like shifting gears with the proper clutch:grow:

[Shadows]

Hows the backlog holding out there PI? any reason you have to treat all the clones the same way if they will be scroggin anyway?

Maybe my vision is a little fuzzy from the distance here, but I would say if you put 1 of each clone in the system today and veg'd them 5 days then put another set of clones in the day before you switch, you should get a good idea of how it would work in either aspect.

That is unless you are low on stash and need another 1.5lbs harvest to tied you over 3 months. :p But then, maybe you are snow'd in and need another source of fire wood? just messin bro.

In the end tho it all boils down to what works for you. Keep changin and rearranging until you find what floats yer boat, then dial it in and kick into overdrive.

[pie]

Profound……Thanks fer stop’in by….and I believe you are correct.;) I should give them a little time. Shadows has a hell of an idea!

they will be scroggin anyway?.

Shadows….scrog?...:eek:I want a clone off’in that shit you smok’in there… :pass:I think your pull’in my leg… Scrog…..1.5lb harvest…..STEP AWAY from the EggNog!!!:alky:
Firewood! nows there is a thought, but Dammit I’ll have to move the mothers and put the fireplace back in.

I finished the harvest this morn’in and alls hang’in. Not the least bit proud of how I let them get past the light penetration point…..The system is drained but I ran out of time before I got the baskets dumped and the root balls sacked. I’ll do it tomorrow and clean the system and refill.
Time is the biggest factor in my decisions for the next two crops. I am plan’in a scooter trip in May or June to shake a hand or two of some grower friends both MJ and what will be my 1st legitimate crop in the com’in year. Also I will be stop’in at the three HD factories ….about 5000 miles, so I must start plan’in now. I’ll be wear’in the subject out I am sure…..It’s a big deal fer me. With that said this gives me 4 months for two crops. Also….I have been sneek’in in over at WCQ’s journal and was ah read’in where he and Shadows were talk’in Ca and Mg and ratios and stuff. And I run across the nutrient calculator that I’m a look’in into…..What has this got to do with schedule’in? Perfect time’in…..I have,I believe, max’ed out the potential of a straight 1:2 M/B formula and think with this new calculator I can start ventur’in into the world of add’in specific components. If I screw up no big deal cause without veg time I already planned a cut in production and had a rat hole I can call upon if a failure. Just a good time...So…me plan is to go about my merry way as usual with my normal mix and keep a vigilant daily photo of my leaf conditions and give it a whirl as the condition develops. It may take a couple of weeks for me to figure it all out but given the opportunity to have a solid baseline of numbers ……welllllll…..That leaf issue I have just learned to live with…Humph…..
Folks this is the middle of the post but it’s been a looooong day so I’m gonna throw in a pic and post. Can’t focus…:crazy:

pi

[CB]

nice root's bro :cool:

5k is a long ride :eek: did a few of those myself back in the day

I have also been play's with a new nutrient calculator ;) probly same one hehe thanks Q


grow on

[WilliamClarkeQuantrill]

evening pie,

here is an excell calculator with the gh bloom and micro and some easy to find tweakers , for lack of a better term. what kind of dose rate are you using with the gh?


edit:

you probably should double check my data entry on that calc. :smokin:

[pie]

I'll have to catch comments later. Must put these #'s down.
500ppm @ 6.1
375M/750B 42ml Base
RO 20ppm
This is the only record i have so please bare with the #'s only entries for now. I am snowed today and will have to do the figure'in later after I scrounge up Excell so I can unzip that file.
Should be full up and go'in in about two more days.
Transplant'in today

pi

[WilliamClarkeQuantrill]

you can download the original file here (http://www.angelfire.com/cantina/fourtwenty/articles/download.htm), but i think you still need excell

how big is the res?

don't work too hard :smokin:

[pie]

nice root's bro

Very educationally groovy site bro…..Thanks for be’in here

here is an excell calculator

And quite a fantastic tool…. I’ll break down in a day or two and buy Excel but I need a day or two to convince myself…. This promises to be some cool ass shit I can’t mis out on… Thanks

how big is the res?

Facts and figures below…I’ll try to keep it as brief as possible
The system is in a 11 x 14 room on the backside of my fireplace that has been gutted and converted to a mother closet. The actual grow area is 8 x 8 for the 16 grow stations with access to three sides. I keep temps in check with a 28,000btu window ac unit that is set at 77* and is never changed or turned off. Vented hoods. Chiller, RO unit, pump is 2400gph mag drive, Yadda, yadda, I think the pictures tell most of the tail.

Capacity is 105 gal. with 77 gal. of that in the buckets and mix’in bucket and the remain’in juice in two pieces of 6” pvc 9.5’ foot long that act as reservoir proper. The reservoir has a primary pump that circulates the reservoir to bucket solution for a duration of two min. on 10min. off. The secondary smaller (300gph I think) pump in located inside the mix’in bucket and constantly pumps solution from the bucket thru the chiller and into the 6” tubes at the oppos’in end….
I don’t waste money on bubble stones. The air pump was scavenged from an old aerobic septic system ( it never saw poop gomer) weighs about 10 pounds and when it dies I will convert to one pump per bucket…

I’ll leave it there and be glad to answer questions.

pi

[pie]

And here they are in position for a couple days of veg. 1-1-07 12/12...

pi

[WilliamClarkeQuantrill]

This promises to be some cool ass shit I can’t mis out on… Thanks

:smokin: thats what i am thinkin. :smokin:




here is what i came up with using the calc.

surely there is a way to get it opened with a program you have? or saved into a file type you can open? anybody know anything about that kinda stuff?

[Shadows]

Hey Pi
http://www.homegrownbud.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=8208&d=1167352897

I found that Pen ya lost :D

everytime I see your rooms layout and plumbing work Im overly impressed bro. You've done a helluva job constructing it and make'n it a producing machine.

[fmj]

Finally made it. fmj :)

[midwestbluntman]

Brother i have avoided the grow journels for some time now, due to pure jealous envy.I stumbled in following fmj, as he is a new member and we're always on the lookout for spammers and trolls.However,I caught a glimps of the piccy shadow just posted,and was inclined to go back and find the rest of the pix.Amazing brother, :dancers: excellent job mate.

[pie]

WilliamClarkeQuantrill…….I hang my head low in your presence, fer I have not retained the needed software… Went by a Circuit city yesterday and they had squat. I have a place in my sights now tho if open today I’ll be up and go’in by in the morn’in…. The first attachment I understand but the second….is that a sample of what I will see from this program?

Shadows….I appreciate cha locate’in that pen but I must ask, why did you put it under that fit’in where I finally found my lost solder….I bout got my summer stops set and start’in to run a few milages;)..

Fmj… :peaceman:so glad you made it my friend….I think you will like this place….For me it was like leav’in high school where I had a lot of fun and got a good basic grasp of how to party and then….WoW…I was turned on to here and the knowledge base is amaz’in...I also like the nice pace of things here and….Dial-up friendly…. Enough boot lick'in….
How in the world are ya? You get Moved? How ya feel’in now-a-days? Your Garden?

midwestbluntman….I appreciate your diligence in your duties. Fmj and I go back to when we both began…Thanks a ton fer the flowers… Your own WCQ was and is a Large influence on the Blind Pig. I’ll be around quietly mine’in the knowledge deposits so come on back by and see if I can actually use this shit.



Catch’in up on some numbers

12/28
500ppm @ 6.1
375M/750B 42ml Base
*
12/29
500 @ 6.1 (500@6.1) No addbacks
*
12/30
500 @ 6.1 No addbacks
*
12/31
490 @ 6.1 No addbacks
*
1/1/07
510 @ 6.0 No addbacks

The plants are not visually respond’in accord’in to the upper plant.. They look sad…However… all the action is in the buckets…Little root hairs stick’in out everywhere. I don’t feel bad about the sad appearance cause I feel confident in what caused the slump. The roots say “I’m ok just give it a couple of days to develop enough root structure to support the upper growth” kinda deal. Now I guess your gonna ask what was wrong with all that pretty white fluff of roots they had. This is one of them garden’in trade off things we live with daily. Up until recently I would cut a small nickel size hole in the center of the netpot and feed the root structure thru it then fill with clay pebbles and the plants would honestly never know they mooved…BUT invariably one of the small clay no float’in pieces would slip thru dur’in the cycle and clog a drain or worse… float in and out with the pump cycles……. Anyway…When I layed the fluf flat in the bottom of the pot then piled the pebbles on top it not so much bruises them but kills there efficency by be’in mashed. They’ll be back in line in a couple more days. Smaller plants would have suffer 70% less shock in my opinion…. I hope to dedicate some time this com’in week to run’in up some numbers but ya know that’s about all the info I can offer for now…..This whole Ca to Mg. ratio that directly reflects P uptake thing is not to be approached lightly and I will not be chang’in a proven formula until I can determine the degree at which I will be chang’in. and it’s on that thought the urgency demands I close and go to the store….

[WilliamClarkeQuantrill]

I hang my head low in your presence, fer I have not retained the needed software… Went by a Circuit city yesterday and they had squat. I have a place in my sights now tho if open today I’ll be up and go’in by in the morn’in…. The first attachment I understand but the second….is that a sample of what I will see from this program?

Hey man, before you go, the excell file is just a fancy version of the nutrient profile calculator at cannastats. It is not "needed" just nice to have because you can input and save your info offline.
Excell is a handy program to have, but I don't think you need it to do what you want to do in the garden.

here is another online calculator (http://www.hal-pc.org/~menendez/hydrocal.html) and a page that teaches you how to do the math the hard way (http://hortipm.tamu.edu/ipmguide/nutrient/calcs.html).



In my last post the images are screenshots of the excell calculator. The first is the page that allows you to set and change the dosage rates for each seperate fertilizer you input. It also shows the final ppm calulations for the mix you set, and allows you to input your water quality numbers.


The second image is the page of the calculator that you input the percentage dry weight for each element in your fertilizer. Do the values I entered for the GH micro and bloom match your bottle? It is from these numbers that the calculations are made. The grams per mL data is important for accuracy as well.

The numbers I got from the calculator look good. You are missing a few micro nutrients from the analysis I have anyway. i might bump the K and N up a little, but the rest looks almost perfect if you are going by Me'ls and PH's reccomendations.

Plant looks ready to explode with growth, those roots are ready to move some nutrients. This is where the fun begins.

Good to see FMJ out and about. :smokin:

[pie]

WilliamClarkeQuantrill……mahn I really do appreciate your followup but after read’in the calculator link, I knew this is a must have for the Blind Pig and the good karma has driven the whole thing. My expectations are modest results….when combined with a higher degree of efficiency…… the Blind Pig will be able to achieve a harmonious point of demand verses output that will allow for the elimination of 2k of light’in. Now don’t get all freaky…. I do not expect to get as much from 2k but I do see where a 5% increase in current levels of productivity would allow me to slice light’in electricity in half and overall efficency would increase enough to balance the cut in overall output…Don’t want to grow a bunch…. just enough……just in time…..to fill the established needs of the Pig..Yadda, Yadda, Yadda,


To the program….. I am Ignorantly stumbl’in thru… learn’in as I go…I haven’t taken on the “NuteOrama” or the “My Sheet” ….but hope to be able to input what I have today…

You say the numbers look ok? Let me ask ya about the ratio of Ca to Mg. Is the 3:1 thing a variable that depends on other levels or is it a constant that has to be balanced at a realistic point due to mix’in components available…I hope that makes sense to ya…

pi

[pie]

Couldn't get the edit to save.....thus this post

And to not leave the plants out of the update...this morn'in they were start'in to show a reach'in apperance to the top so about two more days and a reservoir decision is go'in to have to be made..Today #'s 520ppm @ 6.0

pi

[WilliamClarkeQuantrill]

IMHO the K:Ca:Mg ratio of 4:2:1 is just a place to start at. With this ratio you shouldn't have any deficiency from one cation outcompeteing another for uptake from the plant. Since K is needed in the highest concentration and then calcium and then magnesium.

However at different points throught out a grow, the plants want or need more calcium than the 4:2:1 ratio supplies. So it may be neccasary to increase the ratio to 4 :3:1 or even 4:4:1 . Or if you get a deficiency, you may need to skew the ratio more in favor of the deficient element.

It is not a rule set in stone by any means, just a starting point. with you having a recipe that has given you much success, I would continue with it and then adjust according to what the plants tell you.

toke it easy :smokin:

[fmj]

Hey man, Yeah, I got all moved and i'm really enjoying the country life.

Just left the doc's and he's cutting my visits back to three a year, so, i guess i'm doin' fine.

The garden has suffered some, from a bad case of thrips, but i've got 'em under control now with some concern soap spray and half a dozen garlic plants, in the cabs. I'll be harvesting some wr's in about three weeks or so.

This calcium, magnesium thing is interesting. Let us know what, if any changes you make in the ratio and what results you get. What are you using to affect the changes? FMJ :)

[pie]

with you having a recipe that has given you much success, I would continue with it and then adjust according to what the plants tell you.
;)
WilliamClarkeQuantrill……Mahn….…..the potassium nitrate, calcium chloride, & the gypsum ….what are you source’in for those?….Excel is alien so I have not a clue how I should enter my data on the “my sheet” yet but I am keep’in track and Mrs. pi is bring’in a book home from work for reference. What I want to do is experiment with a gallon of RO mixed at around 750 ppm of the 1:2 M/B and see what happens and how I could manipulate the pH with the addition of those parts in guestimate quantities ….

Hey man, Yeah, I got all moved and i'm really enjoying the country life.FMJ

That’s Great you finally got relocated…And feel’in better to boot…
Mahn I don’t have any solids with the Ca. Mg. thing yet but between Shadows and WilliamClarkeQuantrill info I can see relief in my future…. This Calculator (http://www.angelfire.com/cantina/fourtwenty/articles/profiles.htm)deal ain’t for everybody I don’t guess, but for my set up and repetitive garden it’s a LARGE Huckleberry…
You can input the guaranteed analysis from your Canna nutes and I understand it will tell you your numbers if ya wanna give it a whirl



The Girls are com’in along on schedule. Since they were show’in signs of an appetite with a drop of 30 ppm from the previous day Yesterday I topped off with 5gal RO and bumped the ppm to 550 with 60/120ml. of the M/B only. I feel like I need to get the ppm on up quickly but I can’t fire up the humidifier for a couple more days due to still dry’in last bunch and I’m busier than a June bug in a yard full of chick’ins so I gota post and go..

pi

[WilliamClarkeQuantrill]

the KNO3 I am using is Spectracide brand stump remover, it is 100% KNO3. I found it at lowes in the herbicide section for $6 a pound.

the CaCl2 I am using currently is prestone driveway heat ice melt, it is 98% CaCl2, with the remainder KCl2, I found it at walmart in the auto section. I have also used Greenlight brand tomato blossom end rot stop, it is a 10% solution of 100% CaCl2. it is hard to find this time of year though, in the summer you can find it at lowes or walmart in the garden section.


the gypsum I am using i found in the garden section at lowes. It is granular so I run it through my coffee grinder before use. it doesn't dissolve very well. you would do best to locate a true powedered form, for easier solubility.

e-bay has them all, and in more economical sizes.

i have yet to use the "my sheet" or "nute o rama" pages either. I think the my sheet page is just there for you to copy and paste different mixes, so you have the solution specs saved and can change the dose rates on the actual calc page for different mixes. if you figure it out let me know. :smokin:





don't work too hard and toke it easy :smokin:

[pie]

RESERVOIR VOLUME CHANGE
From this point forward I will consider my reservoir volume to be 100 gal. instead of the 105 as calculated…My reason is that it’s so close to mak’in the math easy why not…The other 5 will be a nice buffer for any heavy concentration miscalculations…

So many thoughts and so few typing talents…..Peck, Peck, peck, forget’in more than I’m put’in down…..

Alls well with the plants, but that is the point, alls just well……. I see a lot of room for improvements with my formula but I am still not mak’in any major changes in the routine. I have let Si come back into my tool box for raise’in pH. There was none in the 1:2 formula and GH wants to keep the Guaranteed Analysis of their Base a big secret and that leaves a loose end for what I’m put’in in the mix. I don’t think that Si at any decent concentration will alter the uptake structure…It’s a 2point.0% Botanicare…
To start at basic reservoir changes needed,,, I see where I need to get my concentration levels up at initial mix point and that would help me with longer term stability, however I don’t have what it takes yet to raise the specific levels that need to be raised which are as WCQ has stated:
You are missing a few micro nutrients from the analysis I have anyway. i might bump the K and N up a little,

Could we talk zinc (Zn)….. I read on page 156 of Hemp Diseases and Pest by McPhartland, Clarke, and Watson…” Among the micronutrients, zinc causes the most problems in Cannabis. Deficiency causes interveinal cholorosis of younger leaves. New leaves grow torqued and twisted, and may drop off the plant prematurely. Flowers grow small and deformed, stems are short and brittle. Zn deficiency arises in alkaline soils low in organic matter. Adding lime or excess P may precipitate Zn shortages. Excess Zn causes dark mottled leaves.

OK the calculator indicates there to be no Zn in the mix….Ponder’in ……I believe there to be at least trace amounts in the mix because of the lack of dominate deficiency indicators but I also do see some torque’in of young leaves here and there kinda lightly and I have also thought the flowers were not as robust as should be….Yadda Yadda,,,, I found some Greenlight Tomato Bloom Spray till I can find a better source with a GA of
P2O5……0.20%
K2O……0.08%
Ca….1.00%
Zn….0.05%
Cl…..1.9%

If 1 dose that at a rate of 2ml/gal. it would provide a Zn level of .26ppm which is about half of the .5-1 ppm that M. Frank suggest as acceptable That comes with 5 ppm of Ca and 10ppm of Cl but WCQ has more than established a little chlorine don’t hurt….Q what do ya think about mak’in this addition at change….


f you are going by Me'ls and PH's reccomendations.

His book was the first piece of literature I bought but I haven’t had a good way of look’in at the numbers till now…

And whats up with all the Mn in a 5/10 M/B mix.. ….83ppm…Jeeeeezzzz .
Mel states for a 5ppm max….. and it seems to me with that high of level over 1500% increase would for sure cause Zn issues???

I’ll stop here…must get out and retain some stump remover….Oh I forgot…I did score some of the Blossom end rot (Ca)…..



pi

[WilliamClarkeQuantrill]

what do ya think about mak’in this addition at change….

I don't see a problem with it.



And whats up with all the Mn in a 5/10 M/B mix.. ….83ppm…Jeeeeezzzz .
Mel states for a 5ppm max….. and it seems to me with that high of level over 1500% increase would for sure cause Zn issues???




that does seem extemely out of balance. I haven't really tried any micro nute adjustments myself. i just rely on the ferts and my tap water to provide them. If I do run into a plant problem that i suspect to be Micronute deficiency I usually try to adjust the environmental factors effecting their uptake by the plant instead of adding additions to the solution.

best i can do is offer you this link (http://www.ces.ncsu.edu/depts/hort/floriculture/hils/hil553.html)

[WilliamClarkeQuantrill]

Oh hey man, that mangenese thing is me being a stoner.

Data entry ERROR.

damn calc makes you input decimals as 00.05%

if you leave off the zeros before the decimal it screws ya with 5% instead of .05%

you'll want to keep a closer eye on me.


change that on the guaranteed analysis page and resave it.

sorry for the hiccup, hope it didn't cost ya anything

[pie]

Q… mahn it’s all cool….If snoop’in around in Your and Shadows journals has taught me anything it is to not make any Knee-jerk actions. Your teach’ins have built in safety guards as a rule dude.

....nothing like shifting gears with the proper clutch

Sir that has turned into some solid advice

The ladies are about on track I guess… I have brought the ppms up over two different days of additions to a high of 660ppm @ 5.8…(5.1ml./10.2ml. per gallon for total nutrients put in this reservoir).This has tapered to 640 @5.6 with a daily drop in pH of the slight nature that was dealt with by Si additions….. This reservoir is 12 days old and probably still has some life but it’s time to change…plants, weather, RO refill, time availability, and all those other romantic factors involved in this decision…. I was think’in about mak’in an addition of zinc but the calculator has readjusted direction…. this whole deal has lite up a lot of bulbs around the Blind Pig…..First off it would be foolish for me to venture off into any nutrient changes outside of current knowledge without a way of heads up comparison. So heres the start’in thoughts….. I will take the 70qt. Coleman cooler I was us’in for clones before the upgrade and attach the pelter unit from a 12v portable refrigerator. (that some may have seen before ) to keep reservoir temps under check. Then my first thoughts is to cut the top half from a bucket and mount it in the lid of the cooler so I can use the same style delivery unit as the main system. With that built I will remove a corner grow station from main system and place the unit there. I will have to fill the cooler with something to displace some of the volume so I can stay in the per plant reservoir amount of 7 gallon after station removal. Or maybe do two plants?....anyway that’s where I am on that…. Git’in back to whats at hand I have done a lot of punch’in around and decided I would alter my ratio of Micro/Bloom as a small adj. …By the way I fired up the humidifier today and locked in at 45-50% as an 24hr average to ward off burn. The Mix will be a 5/13 Micro/Bloom that yields



NitrogenN Total83.9
PhosphorusP86.1
PotassiumK145.1
MagnesiumMg59.2
SulfurS39.5
CalciumCa83.9
IronFe1.67768
BoronB0.00000
ManganeseMn0.83884
ZincZn0.00000
MolybdenumMo0.01342
SodiumNa0.00000
CopperCu0.00000
ChlorineCl0.00000
CobaltCo0.00839
SiliconSi0.00000
SeleniumSe0.00000


I decided on this as an alternative of a 5/10 mix that I have usually done at this time frame in transplant in response to the difference in growth stages this crop. it would normally occur in 18/6 light’in rather than 12/12…. Oops times up gota go.

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[WilliamClarkeQuantrill]

Keep a close eye on the meristems, that mix "looks" a bit out of balance on the K:Ca:Mg, with the Mg being high in the ratio.

Do those numbers include your water? If not then that might add enough Ca to get closer to the 2:1 Ca:Mg.

MJ loves Mg, and will take it up over Ca if given the slightest opportunity.

The P is about as high as I think you should go until flowers really start to form. Any higher and you will probably get extra stretch. So you might consider that if you use Phos acid as a pH down adjuster, as it will add lots of P to the mix.

:smokin:

[pie]

that mix "looks" a bit out of balance

Isn’t it Wonderful to be able to “Look” at the mix….

Sometimes it not so much what folks say but how it is presented that opens the door of insight and the word “look” is what I seem to be need’in to hold on too and resist the urge to change till more Look’in time is taken….and after look’in at my situation and the nutrient regiment it was decided that I have already changed my solution makeup demands with the go’in into flower this early in overall growth. I should have less than half of the overall plant mass suck’in on the reservoir in the end. This will drastically affect topoff intervals since they will never reach the gallon a day uptake stage. Now to the issues of the day….Last night at lights on I went in for the normal check and there was a small stream of solution that had made it’s way across the floor so I hunted it down to a bucket drain I had installed before the lesson was learned to tap them to a depth of ¾ tap length in a 11/16ths hole for proper fitting thread clearance…big fitting….little hole…..time….= crack. No biggie….when I drained the system for change I replaced with a previously prepared bucket…chop chop….love the modular design….
To the mix…..a 5/10, M/B just as usual with 50ml. of pH up. all settled in at 5.7 @ 640ppm and that matched the numbers of the discarded reservoir… I am concerned about reservoir temps due to a drop from 69* to 53* due to outside RO storage. I left the pump on constant run that should bring them up by in the morn’in but I do need to tackle this issue… May build a loop and run the pump for heat when temps demand it. I just don’t have room for a 225 gallon storage inside…it may sound like a lot but I have learned the hard way to at ALL times have twice system capacity on hand…

WCQ…you were speak’in of pH down…Haven’t used a drop in over two years. It is always pH up. At mix, Daily, All the fregg’in time…1100ppm er 250ppm…eat’in er burn’in…When my plants would reach maximum uptake in the past it would require 30ml. GH pH up per day. But the plants will be rock’in to the point of 6 to 10 oz per plant x 16 under 4k….This is one reason I am seek’in nutrient education. The 1:2 ratio is wonderful but it does have a ceil’in about 5 to 7% below what I believe the plants to be capable of ……Do you have any suggestions for a different pH up? My current tap water is only 120ppm @ 7.0 which don’t look bad but I have tried several times to use tap or portions of tap and I have never had any positive growth results.
My RO is 20ppm
Also let me ask ya… This dry 100% KNO3 Spectracide stump remover stuff I have found, should I mix a concentrate from that to use as a liquid or just dump it in….
I am look’in around and try’in to build a small tool box of off the shelf stuff for my control subject next crop so Any suggestions are greatly welcomed…..

I would like to close this post with Thanks to All for com’in by and shar’in their knowledge and extend great appreciation to ya’ll for put’in up with my lack of continuity in my post’in habits….



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[WilliamClarkeQuantrill]

your pH up is a a secret mixture of potassium carbonate and potasium sillicate. So you be stylin there. An off the shelf replacement might be potassium hydroxide (lye), granular is best.

All of these add potassium to the mix. But since GH keeps there concentration and ratio a secret it is impossible to calculate the amount K added. With the KOH you can use the calculator to figure the amount of k added. I have the numbers for the dynagro Pro-TeKt potassium silicate if thats what you are using and you want them.

i just weigh out(reloading powder scales) the KNO3 everytime I use it, but if you prefer to measure it by volume I can help you figure a concentration I think.

I am going to try plaster of paris for my gypsum, I'll let you know if I like it better than the garden gypsum ( I believe I will).


i have a lot of references for nutrient profiles i can share with you if your interested in looking at numbers all day. Lots of plant tissue analysis' and commercial production nutrient profiles.

I am going to be buying a home hoby tissue test (http://www.lamotte.com/pages/common/pdf/instruct/5406.pdf) kit in the near future to play with.

[The Hooded Claw]

You two have me feeling like I'm growing without eyes. I admire you both but aren't you supposed to water them as well as all this shit :shrug: :laugh:

[gorilla]

Wait... I think I almost kind of understand.





No.

[pie]

.I have the numbers for the dynagro Pro-TeKt potassium silicate if thats what you are using and you want them. .

I just burned a empty gallon jug last week and need to reup anyway. Yes Please

i just weigh out(reloading powder scales) the KNO3 everytime I use it, but if you prefer to measure it by volume I can help you figure a concentration I think. .

I’ll jest weigh also if that works. I gotta link for mixin up the dilutions… the math…lets do easy


i have a lot of references for nutrient profiles i can share with you if your interested in looking at numbers all day. Lots of plant tissue analysis' and commercial production nutrient profiles. .

Let me get a little farther along before expos’in me to tissue stuff

I am going to be buying a home hoby tissue test kit in the near future to play with.

See, See,……Highly interested…I have seen there soil kits in a farm supply periodical & thought them financially within reach but had no exposure to experience….

[TheHoodedClaw;22937]You two have me feeling like I'm growing without eyes.[/quote]

Them baseball bats (as nd so eloquently put it) your grow’in make me feel like there is so much more than I presently experience in my harvest

Gorilla…Thanks for drop’in in….Mahn I can fix ya a poultice for them sores…..That complexion though….You jest gonna have to quite hang’in out on the north side of your garden…


10 good solid days into 12/12 and the first little hairs here and there have shown, so gears ah change’in….
First two pictures are the same plant that is show’in some light leaf issues.
What do ya think about this theory…..
Facts
These girls were cut to early and slow growth was encouraged by low temps and miserly nutrients then dosed with a good snack under the fluorescents for about a week then transplanted about 12 days ago into a dry atmosphere until two days ago when I added the humidifier…
When you look at the whole plant picture it’s noticeably not reach’in for the light….when it’s first after lights on they will be proud as punch and have a nice above horizontal reach but in the middle of the dark period they are drooped a little more than this picture. I’ll get a lights on tonight…
Theory
I say K problem that is raise’in it’s head as a Magnesium, Calcium, Manganese, and possiably zinc imbalance but don’t have a clue if I should take any action since it is my understand’in that it can take weeks to correct K issues and if the problem is in the leaf it has already existed and recent changes may harmonize the thing…What Cha Tink Fellers?

pi

[WilliamClarkeQuantrill]

Looks more like a -Ca problem than a -K problem to me.

K is very mobile in the plant, so deficeincy shows in the lower larger leaves first usually.


Ca is practiacally immoblie in the plant, so defeciency shows in the newest meristem growth first.

it is hard to recover from calcium def if it gets too bad, I would reccomend taking some action soon.

[pie]

I would reccomend taking some action soon.

After some review'in page three of your journal I concure… my line of think’in as far as dosage is .... I took 25% of the 84ppm of calcium presently in the 5/10 mix and scaled the number back a little for caution that resulted 16ppm @ 0.57 ml. per gallon of the Greenlight blossom end rot 8.60% Ca. on schedule for application at morn’in service…. Is this a good way to approach additions?

pi



LOVE the fregg'in calculator mahn....

[WilliamClarkeQuantrill]

Is this a good way to approach additions?


sounds pretty good to me. I wouldn't be afraid of going as high as equal to K though. But I am rather fond of the "ain't skeerd" logo.


dynagro potassium sillicate 3% K and 7.8% silicon, I only have the 9 oz. bottle, so it may be different if you get a diff size.

[pie]

I have made a Very Stupid Stoner mistake in calculating the volume of my system and to confirm my lack of mental prowess I offer the follow’in tale…
Last night at lights on I went in to take the promised photo and could not wait to add the Ca. so glunk…… went in the 57ml. of Ca…After about thirty min. of mix’in I sample and the ppms have only risen about half of what the calculator indicated….Hummmmmm sompt’ins not right it should be more if anything….. The calculator has proven very close in other areas so I decide to refigure my dilution volume. 16 grow stations and 1 mix’in bucket with 12.75 inches of solution depth in 6.5gal. buckets that I determine the radius to be 5.625” for 93 gallons .....+…..Two 114” long and 3” radius pvc pipe..for a 28 gallon total…. 93+28=121gallons….. where the 105 came from I haven’t a clue… it’s what the head remembered….
Ok now where in the world am I on nutrient concentrations? I take the calculator and change the volume to 120 and then start increas’in the dosage until the numbers matched the previously presumed concentration and with that figure in hand I subtracted the original dose from it and then add the difference to the reservoir 100/200 & 11ml more Ca ……or ya could jes figure fer 20 gal if ya wanna make it easy.....to Think I have a mix resembl’in the one below except’in I am back to us’in the GH up since I am out of the potassium silicate I want….numbers are currently 800ppm @ 5.8. We should be see’in something positive soon

[pie]

Added another 34ml. Ca on the 13th.
Leaf issues shown below that have slightly progressed.
Temps have sucked with the cold spell…canopy temps 8* below desired point and air temps in the 66* neighborhood. Root zone only 1* down at 68*.
I have taken The Hooded Claws lead with my lights and have left them at the top of the adjustment…. leav’in them about 3’ above present canopy height..Alls Groovy.
Poundage to trim ….Read’in to do…..must go….

pi

[pie]

WCQ….are you iced in mahn? Missed it here by our chiney chin chin

Ouch……Where did all this stuff come from in my life all of a sudden…well ya’ll don’t want to hear bout that so on to the grow’in…..It’s Great and it Sucks…..I know noth’in….. The change’in of transplant time and immediately go’in 12/12 has obviously changed the whole structure of my reservoir… One thought is…one thought? Ha ….I don’t know! …… I have went and stole the below info that I am presently chew’in on…particularly the NO3 and NO4 stuff since my formula contains a minimal amount of the O4.
Posted under the handle mynameis….
"pH affects plant growth and nutrient availability. pH can affect the availability of nutrients. pH can affect the absorption of nutrients by plant roots pH values above 7.5 cause iron, manganese, copper, zinc and boron ions to be less available to plants. pH values below 6 cause the solubility of phosphoric acid, calcium and magnesium to drop. pH values between 3 and 5 and temperatures above 26 degrees Celsius encourage the development of fungal diseases.

Why pH Varies The ratio in uptake of anions (negatively charged nutrients) and cations (positively charged nutrients) by plants may cause substantial shifts in pH. In general, an excess of cation over anion leads to a decrease in pH, whereas an excess of anion over cation uptake leads to an increase in pH. As nitrogen (an element required in large quantities for healthy plant growth) may be supplied either as a cation (ammonium - NH4+) or an anion (nitrate - NO3), the ratio of these two forms of nitrogen in the nutrient solution can have large effects on both the rate and direction of pH changes with time. This shift in pH can be surprisingly fast. Daylight photosynthesis produces hydrogen ions which can cause the nutrient acidity to increase (lowering the pH). At dusk photosynthesis stops and the plants increase their rate of respiration and this coupled with the respiration of micro organisms and the decomposition of organic matter uses up the hydrogen ions so the acidity of the solution tends to decrease ( pH rises )

Most varieties of vegetables grow at their best in a nutrient solution having a pH between 6.0 and 7.5 and a nutrient temperature between 20 and 22 degrees Celsius

In low light ( overcast days or indoor growing environments) plants take up more potassium and phosphorous from the nutrient solution so the acidity increases (pH drops). In strong intense light (clear sunny days) plants take up more nitrogen from the nutrient solution so the acidity decreases (pH rises). pH can be controlled in two ways.

Extremes in pH can result in precipitation of certain nutrients. For plant roots to be able to absorb nutrients, the nutrients must be dissolved in solution. The process of precipitation (the reverse of dissolving) results in the formation of solids in the nutrient solution, making nutrients unavailable to plants. Not all precipitation settles to the bottom of the tanks, some precipitates occur as very fine suspension invisible to the naked eye. Plants can tell us their problems through leaf symptoms (e.g. iron [Fe] deficiency) when it's too late. Iron (Fe) is one essential plant nutrient whose solubility is affected by pH which is why it is added in a chelated form (or daily), Fe deficiency symptoms occur readily. At pH values over 7, less than 50% of the Fe is available to plants. At pH 8.0, no Fe is left in solution due to iron hydroxide precipitation (Fe(OH)3 - which eventually converts to rust). As long as the pH is kept below 6.5, over 90% of the Fe is available to plants. Varying pH of summer lettuce nutrient solutions also affects the solubility of calcium (Ca) and phosphorus (P). Due to calcium phosphate precipitation (Ca3(PO4)2) the availability of Ca and P decreases at pH values above 6.0. All other nutrients stay in solution and do not precipitate over a wide pH range. Poor water quality could exacerbate any precipitation reactions that may occur. Generally in the pH range 4.0 to 6.0, all nutrients are available to plants. Precipitation reduces Fe, Ca and P availability at pH 6.0 and over .

Adjusting pH The addition of acids or alkalis to nutrient solutions is the most common and practical means to adjust pH, and can be easily automated. There are ways to minimise pH variations and they are worth some consideration. Nitrogen is the essential inorganic nutrient required in the largest quantity by plants. Most plants are able to absorb either nitrate (NO3-) or ammonium (NH4+) or both. NH4+ as the sole source of nitrogen or in excess is deleterious to the growth of many plant species. Some plants yield better when supplied with a mixture of NH4+ (ammonium) and NO3- (nitrate) compared to NO3- alone. A combination of NH4+ and NO3- can be used to buffer against changes in pH. Plants grown in nutrient solution containing only NO3- as the sole nitrogen source tend to increase solution pH, hence the need to add acid. But when approximately 10%-20% of the total nitrogen is supplied as NH4+, the nutrient solution pH is stabilised at pH 5.5. NH4+ concentration needs to be monitored as it has been shown recently that micro-organisms growing on plant root surfaces can convert the NH4+ to NO3-. Since hand-held ion-selective electrodes for measuring both NH4+ and NO3- are now available, it should be possible to accurately monitor and maintain a predetermined NO3-/NH4+ ratio throughout the life of the crop. Phosphorus is required in large amounts by plants. Interestingly, there are two forms of fertilisers containing both K and P - KH2PO4 mono-potassium phosphate (MKP) and K2HPO4 di-potassium phosphate. Equal quantities of both can be used to maintain the pH at 7.0. Using a higher proportion of K2HPO4 increases pH. MKP can be used to lower the solution pH. Buffers are solutions which resist pH change and are used to calibrate pH electrodes. Buffers can be added to nutrient solutions in an attempt to maintain pH stability. One such buffer is called 2-(N-morpholino) ethanesulfonic acid - abbreviated to MES. Many of the companies who claim better pH control with their 'specially' formulated nutrient solutions add MES to their mixes. It is important to remember when using MES, that after MES addition the pH is low and needs to be adjusted to your required level with an alkali such as potassium hydroxide (KOH). Another method of pH stabilisation is to use ion- exchange and chelating resins. Generally, these resins are small beads which have nutrients absorbed or chelated onto them - the nutrient solution circulates through the beads or the beads can be suspended in the nutrient tank. As plants absorb nutrients, more nutrients are released by the resins. The aim is to achieve controlled release of nutrients into the solution in an attempt to mimic the way the soil releases nutrients. Ideally, such release can adequately supply the growing plants' nutritional requirements and maintain pH stability.

Is pH Adjustment Critical? pH is not as critical as most hydroponicists believe. The main point is to avoid extremes in pH. Plants grow on soils with a wide range of pH. For most plant species there is an optimum pH in the region of pH 5 to pH 6."

Topped off reservoir today with about 28 gal. RO that left me at 650ppm @ 5.9. then added 150ml/300ml. Mirco/Bloom + 43ml. GH pH up and 24ml. Ca for a final of 840 @ 5.9.... Numbers below in attachment…


pi



Oh yeah...I must add a heater to outside RO storage and I guess my best bet is one for a cattle trough.

[vernonsupreme]

pretty hardcore post there pie...lots of useful info from mynameis.


where do you get this nutriet calculator from?

[Shadows]

Pi, I've always enjoyed visiting your farm bro.
http://www.homegrownbud.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=8540&d=1168879773

[pie]

http://www.angelfire.com/cantina/fourtwenty/articles/profiles.htm

pretty hardcore post there pie..

Yes……and I am still stuck on it.. Found it in a WCQ journal while look’in for more Ca info that I hope to get to soon….

where do you get this nutriet calculator from?

I stole it also from WCQ (linky (http://www.angelfire.com/cantina/fourtwenty/articles/profiles.htm))….. It’s a GREAT tool…. nice to have Excel but it will work without it, but can't save.

Pi, I've always enjoyed visiting your farm bro.


“enjoyed”! that sounds so past tense. Mahn I would be lost without cha…

*****

Been busy here with life and haven’t had much grow ed time…but that’s a good thing cause it probably kept me from mak’in anymore changes….
The first picture is of a stem I found while trim’in out last crop. See the dark colored area? And the mottled spots where the bud was against the stem? I think this to be brought on by a Ca. deficiency as described in the second picture.
Folks I’ll be back later just got some freak’in out kinda info… so the head is off right now and can't get this post together…



pi

[Shadows]

Past tense? oooooOOoo reading all that nutrient stuff got ya readin a little deep huh? my apologies, it is a present feeling also :p

Now, if I could just see your post, without being in the reply window...
maybe then, I'll get a look at that recent picture??

Definitly looks like a pathogen or maybe a mold growin there doesnt it? odd man. I'd be inclined to search some buds for possible mold sites too. just as a precaution.

and damn, didnt know it was legal to grow plants with nodal growth that tight. fark man, do it up!!

[WilliamClarkeQuantrill]

Sorry Pie man, didn't mean to freak ya out.:eek:


Looks like you are figurin out how big a Ca hog MJ really is. Feed it constantly at relatively high levels. because it is one of the harder nutrients for the plant to get enough of, even when there is enough in the solution. Understand how big of a role relative humidity/transpiration plays a part in the plants ability to take up Ca. and manipulate your enviro to improve it.


i won't be around as much as I had been, but I'll continue checking in as frequent as I can.


keep it green side up :smokin:

[pie]

I'd be inclined to search some buds for possible mold sites too. just as a precaution.!

Yes….I lost maybe 2oz this crop due to mold that would be in the branch hugg’in core of a bud consisting of small flowers that would have the fluffability of a glass marble. It was located always about half way up the cola and could be only one light spot to a very intense erosion that would not necessarily be in close proximity of other infestations…Also it Only affected one strain. The other ladies with a larger flower and a higher leaf to bud thing happen’in never showed the slightest sign…

and damn, didnt know it was legal to grow plants with nodal growth that tight. fark man, do it up!!

I am glad you brought this up….Take ah see at the stem size! At first I thought num, num this is ah good-n-stought support. When trim’in out last crop however the hollow core I thought to be excessive and the buds readily snapped from them…. that reinforced my Ca def. suspicions…. I also believe my NO3 dominate mix plays a factor but more on that later.. I can’t squawk the total was good..

Looks like you are figurin out how big a Ca hog MJ really is. Feed it constantly at relatively high levels. because it is one of the harder nutrients for the plant to get enough of, even when there is enough in the solution. Understand how big of a role relative humidity/transpiration plays a part in the plants ability to take up Ca. and manipulate your enviro to improve it.

I feel like a young boy that’s figure’in out how to unhook a 4 hook D bra… I’ll be here wherever you get a chance stop by. I can’t say big enough Thanks but maybe a handshake in the summer….


Reservoir change today with final numbers of 930ppm @ 5.7 of the mix shown below that required 90ml. of GH up .
I would like to say I have a grand scheme but the fact is I’m jest try’in to take the ingredients I have and get a balance with what Franks recommendations are. In the mean time my confidence is build’in in the calculator that if you will notice it predicted a ppm of 909 and I believe the GH up that I can’t get numbers for is what made up the other 21ppm…

pi

[pie]

5 days later and alls go’in good. Topped off yesterday with RO, 120ml./360ml. M/B and 84ml. CaCl to maintain a 950ppm @ 5.8. The amount of Ca topup is determined by the amount of K in the addback, that I try to fall just short of match’in for now till I understand better.
Nearly time for the next set of clones
I have wild thoughts here ladies and gentlemen…. This will be the last cut’ins taken from the genetics that currently reside at the Blind Pig. After these cut’ins are taken and are put in the main system I will be whack’in all the moms…. Don’t freak I have a good reason….after this next crop is harvested I am go’in to completely shut down all MJ operations for at least the summer. I have a 10 to 14 day trip planned and since Mrs. pi doesn’t smoke or participate, I thought out of respect for her encourag’in approach to this adventure I would eliminate all possible ganja issues while I am gone. This will also give me time to go back and fix all the stuff I did half ass, like seal’in the room tight. Also I kinda fancy the idea of maybe find’in a seed er two along the way I can trade a doobie for…...…

pi

[pie]

28 days flower
Thanks Shadows and William Clark Quantril for document’in your thoughts and pictorial expertise feed’in our beloved plant.


pi

[Chronic007]

Ladies are lookin godd pie!:cool:

[Thoth]

Just can't get over this picture (https://svr52.ehostpros.com/~homegr52/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=8587&d=1169223679). like whoa dude!

[pie]

Cronic007….Thanks Mahn glad to have ya drop by

Thoth………I sure do appreciate that 1/72nd’s of moonlight you scored on that wager …Sure does help to round out the calendar year….;) Golden ratio?.....Yes you have stirred up a stink in the Curiosity Dept… Thanks I always like run’in on to new stuff. Coooooool .

to the ladies…
Reservoir change...... new one at 3ml./12.5ml. of the Micro/Bloom with 2.5ml. Ca that required 70ml. of GH base for a final of 960ppm @ 5.8.
I have decided I have a zinc deficiency. I can’t seem to get a photo that reflects the issue properly so I relay that it looks like mite damage with small spots of dead on the leaves maybe not in direct relation to the zinc def but more a product of….notice the young leaves how funky they look…I am us’in that to backup my diagnosis..that and the fact the nute calculator shows me to have absolutely none in my mix. I also went to the GH web site and used there calculator that said I only had 0.1ppm in my current mix. Practically none. Then I go to the book shown below and read…. So I am off to find some form of zinc at the garden store



pi


this weekend i will cut the LAST group of clones for the Blind Pig till fall.when i will be start'in from seed probably...
Gonna be a great summer vacation....Travel, Friends, Great Weed....scooter'in about....

[pie]

Here is the final group of clones for the summer cut on the 4th…AK-47….. Did ya hear that?......It was somebody at the electric company cancel’in their personal trainer for the season cause of a pay cut…:p.. After 4 years of high electric bills it will be nice to coast for a couple of months which brings me to the mothers…. Their time is near! The two on the far left are the same pheno that is the present flower’in ladies. Next over is the 47 that you can see by the close shot is a more sativa. This is the mother to the present clones. On the far right is “I think maybe it might be” Sensi Star…other close shot… Doesn’t matter…soon as these clones hit the main system I will whack them all (the moms)and officially kick off the shutdown round. I agonized for hours about the permanent loss of some fabulous smoke……Bottom line….I’ll be gone and it would not be right to leave mrs pi with plants…. Aaaaaaaand start’in fresh opens the door for let’in karma deal it’s hand as to what my tok’in future holds. If I end up with crappy smoke? Might want to rethink my lifes objectives….Yes I do think it works like that!
Reservoir change today……..The numbers shown are as of now…I ran out of the CaCl and will be add’in more later. Folks since WCQ turned me on to the nutrient calculator my reservoirs have become noticeably more stable with the plants exhibiting the same amount of improvements that correlates very well to the minor adj. made. The bottom line is I have developed a good degree of confidence in it and have ordered some of the Grow part of the GH nutes for next crop. I could use other things to get the N but I can also add some Mg with the Grow part and I do believe in the GH line… I won’t have to worry so much about component compatibility……Yadda, Yadda, Yadda, My reason’in for the current mix is I was shoot’in for the bottom of the strong light flower’in nute ratios by Mel Frank found here (http://www.angelfire.com/cantina/fourtwenty/articles/profiles.htm)

pi

[Fing_57]

I will whack them all

I tried to make heads or tails of your post and got too lost

the mothers ..... why dont you put them outdoors and flower them??

[Shadows]

Well now, if the 2 from the far left you know are NOT Sensi Star, the only other thing they could be is Golden Skush. Strikingly similar to the sensi star in almost every aspect. Ofcourse the main difference is most noticible when smoked, sensi is of a HIGH skunky taste and aroma while GS has a more fruity kick to its skunkiness. Both will run you out of the house in flower, in terms of aroma stregnth.

Very nice gardening Pi. WCQ seems to have brought a new level of understanding to you. Although most of what he said you knew in some way, it was put in a way you could use it. Smart guy that WCQ.

Oh, about that restart in the fall, Theres a high possibility of some new entries to the shadows, ones of Diesel lineage. If that holds true, well you know the rest bro..

[pie]

I tried to make heads or tails of your post and got too lost


Mr Fing....Mahn I appoligize....does read a little tough.don't it...I guess it was just me watch'in The View discussion about the death of anna nicole smith and i become overwhelmed with grief.:erm::erm::erm::halol::erm::erm::erm:.

The time'in would be great to put them outdoors...and look'in at your beauty of budage from outdoors is enormously motivating…. However….the security risks outweigh the possible benefits in this little hotbed of enforcement activity.

pi

[pie]

Diesel

:eek:

Git'in close to final...

[WilliamClarkeQuantrill]

you guys know i am a dumbass, don't be shy about saying it. :smokin:


plants look great pi man, glad you are digging the calculator. looks like a hell of a roadtrip. :smokin:

[pie]

you guys know i am a dumbass

I won’t argue the fact but I do present that it is a relative reference…and now I want to show how “dumbass” Quantrills nutrient influence has affected the growth of the current group @ 43 days 12/12….....?

And by the way n_d_ It has been traced back that this crop is Golden Skush.

pi

[Thoth]

rock on. :P

nice big buds there.

[fmj]

Looks like another bumper crop for the pig. Way to go bud.

Looking at your roadtrip plans, you aint going far enough west and you're going way to far north. Watch out them canuckians don't keep you. FMJ :)

[pie]

Thoth…Thanks Mahn visitors are always nice


FMJ….Thanks also....You still got White Russian? Ain’t go’in far enough west? I never said that was my only trip of the summer….. Grow on My Ganja Cultivating Brother of the Lone Star….

The clock is tick’in….and the shutdown is in sight…One more round after these ladies. Harvest should come by the end of the week. 51 days today…n_d_ does that sound about right? They completely… or close too it…. stopped eat’in about four days ago and currently display cloudy to clear trichomes with the upper buddage hav’in a good splash of amber tint scattered about. Hairs are still dominantly white but turn’in fast to a very brittle brown.. This is without a doubt the Most productive group ever at the Blind Pig. I will definitely for the first time be list’in cut and dry weights for each plant but due to the storage process no trimmed weight will be available. If there is a stem it is full of buds. Yes there are a lot of visual indications of nutrient issues but I am very happy with what I have learned this round.
Clones….The last round……I won’t be journal’in this last group of AK-47 after ….You will find out later…. But I will tell ya’ll to take a look at the clone close up shot because that is a Perfect example of Minimal Stem Diameter. They have had a rough go but are start’in to sprout roots now and should be ready by the first of the month…

Gourd

of

Ganja
comming soon
look for it
Don't Ask, Don't Tell




pi

[The Hooded Claw]

They have had a rough go but are start’in to sprout roots now and should be ready by the first of the month…

Gourd

of

Ganja
comming soon
look for it
Don't Ask, Don't Tell




pi
(So much fontage).

Scoot.
The young uns look dandy. Funny how a shitty looking clone (of which yours aren't) can have such massive route growth?
Not having even stoxck plants it's refreshing to see people clone. It's so simplistic I wonder why I ever ignored it myself.

The bike thing is going East. At 23C a shot It's where the heart is. Good to see you posting and when I run out of new Hawkwind albums maybe I'll post more regular. Internet connection allowing............

[The Hooded Claw]

They have had a rough go but are start’in to sprout roots now and should be ready by the first of the month…

Gourd

of

Ganja
comming soon
look for it
Don't Ask, Don't Tell




pi
(So much fontage).

Scoot.
The young uns look dandy. Funny how a shitty looking clone (of which yours aren't) can have such massive route growth?
Not having even stock plants it's refreshing to see people clone. It's so simplistic I wonder why I ever ignored it myself.

The bike thing is going East. At 23C a shot It's where the heart is. Good to see you posting and when I run out of new Hawkwind albums maybe I'll post more regular. Internet connection allowing............

[pie]

(So much fontage)......

HUH! no savey...splain peas?

By the way I liked the results from not lower'in my lights this time.
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Harvested Golden Skush today at 55 days 12/12 with a total main system time of 60 days give er take a day or two. You can go back and look if you need exact. I turned the chiller down to 60* for the last 24hrs. of darkness but couldn't say about the effects. All plants were marked & weighed at harvest in gram weight per whole plant as follows
1. 1180
2. 1278
3. 1336
4. 1230
5. 1450
6. 1600
7. 1150
8. 1530
9. 1200
10. 1265
11. 1384
12. 1140
13. 1245
14. 1245
15. 1259
16. 1257

I found it interesting the last four plants cut were all on the row that is out from the wall 18” , covered in Reflectix, with two of the other sides be’in mylar curtains hang’in with some plant contact and the fourth be’in 3’ out from the mylar covered wall . Only 14 grams deferential in that side.



I will be whack'in the moms when i get the butter pot out in a day er two....

[vernonsupreme]

i like the thinking process on the scale rig you got made up there pie....very ingenious :thumbs:

that is crazy...those 4 plants were spot on the same weight....

nice yield mahn....i believe this is the 1st time you have ever posted your yield numbers

[The Hooded Claw]

HUH! no savey...splain peas?


Sorry dude. Pissed and looking at source code!

Looking real good and as someone on the outside looking in I can appreciate the effort it takes. Well done.

I'll be back on in a few months with my own NFT set up. Completely different to the current constraints of 24hr pumped solution and I'm going to be testing a DO device I've thought through in my brain cell.
Looking forward to getting onboard and looking at your harvest it gives me the impetus I need.
Looking good Pie.

THC.

[pie]

vernonsupreme…Thanks for the scale thingy. I must admit I was proud of that one and yes it has been a long time since my comfort level allowed that info out..... It’s all about what the plant genetics can produce, not how much gain potential it may provide as viewed by the mind of those who only see the commercialism process of a natural occurrence, that in reality is available to all, for only the price of effort to research “how to”…. Sorry…didn’t intend to go off…as you can see I’m not a big fan of the monetary system or the concept of time but we will save that for another day of yammer’in.


Sorry dude. Pissed.

Have you tried somke’in a doobie! I hear it will work wonders with no nasty aftertaste..

I'm going to be testing a DO device I've thought through in my brain cell....

Like stink on a monkey….. I’ll be there eyeball’in what cha got to say. DO information is a booger that needs pick’in my long fingered friend….

Not much to tell. I reweighed a couple of plants and the # 6 plant had lost 59% of the cut weight. For a reference I would love to trim out 13% of cut weight, however I would imagine it will fall more in the 10% neighborhood. This would be a pinch over lb per 1k which I have done considerably better in the past when viewed per crop, BUT when viewed by time, this is a excellent drop in production per crop. Why? Because I turned this around in 60 days…. Let me really confuse…. I have had a rate of production that equals 1 gram per hour and if I can trim out just 10% of cut weight on this crop I will have increased my hourly number by .23 grams. Now I know that’s a screwey way of look’in at it but all that grams per watt shit had more holes and negotiable reference points so I had to find a way and yearly totals lead me to this. Math some may not want to chase…

Clones are com’in along fine and with schedule runn’in a bit ahead I will leave them in the clone chamber for more veg….




pi

[vernonsupreme]

i'm getting ready to go in the basement and cut around 50 clones...we might just have tandem grow going on here...

[pie]

i'm getting ready to go in the basement and cut around 50 clones...we might just have tandem grow going on here...

Cool beans …….. I will bring the system back on line sometime next week so they will be close….
Mahn do you find this shut’in down thing to be a freaky experience? I am not as strong as you are with a couple years off! A few months is freak’in me….. The other day when I whacked all the mothers and shut down the fireplace it was a moment of turn the page….But I was already think’in of what future genetics would caress this space…


The plants have lost 77% of their cut weight at 6 days hang’in in 30% humidity at 70* average. I cut a bud and it ground up good and burned well but the stems still have just enough water when a fan leaf is pulled away tak’in the occasional barky string with it. Clean break not dry snap yet…..
To the smoke….. I didn’t start fresh but the shit stoned my ass. Thought crippl’in kinda head with immediate visual eyeball perceptiveness altercation of an un known reality. I tell ya what kind of smoke it is…. I stopped there twenty minutes ago and have wandered from subject to subject finished the joint and now realize I better git this posted and get on about my way… Taste…..way to early for a report…

pi

[The Hooded Claw]

Nice looking harvest pie.

I wanted to ask your opinion. How do you find F&D and how long have you been involved with it? You may know I use F&D to bring the clones on from areo rooted stage up and through 4 inch rockwool cubes. I'm always amazed at F&D root growth and I've an idea about using an outbuilding but having the res drum indoors......

Any advice on what basket medium experience (clay pebbles eg) I'd be greatfull for hearing.

B/T.

[pie]

Nice looking harvest pie.

I wanted to ask your opinion. How do you find F&D and how long have you been involved with it? You may know I use F&D to bring the clones on from areo rooted stage up and through 4 inch rockwool cubes. I'm always amazed at F&D root growth and I've an idea about using an outbuilding but having the res drum indoors......B/T.

I appreciate the flowers but bottom line is look’in average at present.

F&D….HuH….I’m DWC….I like the flood and drain concept over dwc but no experience.

Any advice on what basket medium experience (clay pebbles eg) I'd be greatfull for hearing.B/T.

For me personally I think there is no other than “Round” clay pebbles… Medium is just support and they can be used over and over & over. Easy to flush…Easy to clean However the expanded clay not in round ball form has dealt me a nightmare. Even after sift’in out the small pieces little corners keep break’in off and caus’in irritation. Rockwool? I just don’t get the attraction for short term crops. Expensive and if reused…welll I won’t go to that cataclysm of possibilities if a gardener is not very astute in medium Maintenance. However…The balls do float so I would guess the flood depth would have to be less than half of the total medium depth dur’in a cycle.

First plant trimmed
Plant 11
Cut weight…. 1384
Dry hang’in …. 296
Trimmed bud….164
Stem and leaf….132
Trimmed out 11.8% of cut weight

Total for all in a couple of days

pi

[pie]

Cut…....Dry…..Bud…..Percentage of cut weight in dry bud
1. 1180…..220…..127…..10.76%
2. 1278…..257…..153…..11.98
3. 1336…..241…..140…..10.48
4. 1230…..262…..137…..11.14
5. 1450…..291…..175…..12.07
6. 1600…..316…..179…..11.19
7. 1150…..223…..130…..11.30
8. 1530…..299…..181…..11.83
9. ..1200…240…..143…..11.92
10. 1265…265…..141…..11.15
11. 1384…296…..163…..11.78
12. 1140…234…..149…..13.07
13. 1245…242…..148…..11.89
14. 1245…253…..156…..12.53
15. 1259…237…..141…..11.2
16. 1257…243…..144…..11.46

Total of stem weight 1153
Total of leaf weight 568…..Butter soon
Total trim’d bud 2407
Stem and leaf to bud ratio…1.71 to 1
Average per plant 150.44 G…5.37oz

HOLD HER HEAD UP NEWT!
SHE SMELLS ALFALFA.

As you can see I am Very happy with the end results. This is by far the best all around crop ever here at the Pig… Golden Skush will be the standard to meet, when we fire back up after the adventure. If interested I offer the rough estimates that a little less tha1 gallon of GH Micro, about 2 ½ gallons + ah pinch of GH Bloom, ½ + gallon of GH pH up. couple of pints of the tomato blossom end rot stuff. And around 600 gallons of RO went into this crop. The RO could be cut back by a factor of half with a better reservoir manager.

To the Smoke…..It’s a Tale that all started when Santa sent some clones to the Blind Pig, Christmas 05. I built a special little pod to put them in for a sample round. All went well the strains all flowered well and all smoke was good. Well…. as Karma will deal the inevitable turn so did this with the smallest producer be’in in the back corner of a round chamber, provide’in only at the most, a couple of grams. Since there was so little I thought I must vap it…..A Life Chang’in Toke…Honestly…I remember it like yesterday..It was my first encounter with anything that could be considered a citrus’ee taste. I thought it a Glorious thing… Well in my excitement and grower inexperience I then failed to keep track of genetics…I had cut’ins and mothers but all id was lost. Yadda , yadda, yadda, printed out a novel by n_d_ with pictures included all the info I needed for identification, …..dumbass couldn’t figure it out,……. Hunted,…… Grew, gaulked,……. staired, even kick myself in the ass but figured I had lost it. MoFo….Here she is….Hot Freeg’in Dog…..The taste is Num Num citrus’ee This is taste that makes you hungry for it. I don’t mean wanna smoke I strickly mean I want the taste hungry. Can’t put the Bong-n-heat gun down. The buzz will screw around about hit’in ya sometimes for as long as 1 minute. You know it’s over with then… so might as well have another….. Ok now you’ve gotton greedy and cough’in up a lung that when you recover from caugh’in to find yourself in that loss of oxygen from caugh’in mental daze……. I am sorry….You are fug’d now. The buzz is afoot and out of control. The first thirty min. are the most critical to your accomplishments in the next five hours or so. If you let it, the smoke will tell you that the buzz is on and Put the Pipe away. Do Not listen to this. This is noth’in but a ploy of your conscience promote’in the negative societal influences that are inflected by the legalities of our needs. TAKE another toke……OK now it’s over for a Loooooooooooooong time. Git up off that ass immediately and go to work…Sit there and your useless, Get up and stir,……when you do, you won’t be able to stop long enough from the project to squeeze in a toke, Just not time. plenty buzzed and enjoy’in life….. This is undoubtedly my Favorite of all time taste. And as Karma would have it with the Great smoke, Record Crop, and Grand adventures in the future I bring the clones of 05 to a close… for I Know without a doubt all mothers are in the Butter Bin…. I now look to this summer to shake the hand of the person that has made my adventure thru genetic diversity for the past year and a half a Trip, ….Thank You my Friend
For another taste reference… I was chow’in down on a can of Jelly Belly jelly beans yesterday , took a Vap from the pipe and I swear I thought the smoke just another flavor….

This last crop of AK-47 is gonna go on auto and we will be just coast’in thru this last round…..

pi
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[Shadows]

To the Smoke…..It’s a Tale that all started when Santa sent some clones to the Blind Pig, Christmas 05. I built a special little pod to put them in for a sample round. All went well the strains all flowered well and all smoke was good. Well…. as Karma will deal the inevitable turn so did this with the smallest producer be’in in the back corner of a round chamber, provide’in only at the most, a couple of grams. Since there was so little I thought I must vap it…..A Life Chang’in Toke…Honestly…I remember it like yesterday..It was my first encounter with anything that could be considered a citrus’ee taste. I thought it a Glorious thing… Well in my excitement and grower inexperience I then failed to keep track of genetics…I had cut’ins and mothers but all id was lost. Yadda , yadda, yadda, printed out a novel by n_d_ with pictures included all the info I needed for identification, …..dumbass couldn’t figure it out,……. Hunted,…… Grew, gaulked,……. staired, even kick myself in the ass but figured I had lost it. MoFo….Here she is….Hot Freeg’in Dog…..The taste is Num Num citrus’ee This is taste that makes you hungry for it. I don’t mean wanna smoke I strickly mean I want the taste hungry. Can’t put the Bong-n-heat gun down. The buzz will screw around about hit’in ya sometimes for as long as 1 minute. You know it’s over with then… so might as well have another….. Ok now you’ve gotton greedy and cough’in up a lung that when you recover from caugh’in to find yourself in that loss of oxygen from caugh’in mental daze……. I am sorry….You are fug’d now. The buzz is afoot and out of control. The first thirty min. are the most critical to your accomplishments in the next five hours or so. If you let it, the smoke will tell you that the buzz is on and Put the Pipe away. Do Not listen to this. This is noth’in but a ploy of your conscience promote’in the negative societal influences that are inflected by the legalities of our needs. TAKE another toke……OK now it’s over for a Loooooooooooooong time. Git up off that ass immediately and go to work…Sit there and your useless, Get up and stir,……when you do, you won’t be able to stop long enough from the project to squeeze in a toke, Just not time. plenty buzzed and enjoy’in life….. This is undoubtedly my Favorite of all time taste. And as Karma would have it with the Great smoke, Record Crop, and Grand adventures in the future I bring the clones of 05 to a close… for I Know without a doubt all mothers are in the Butter Bin…. I now look to this summer to shake the hand of the person that has made my adventure thru genetic diversity for the past year and a half a Trip, ….Thank You my Friend
For another taste reference… I was chow’in down on a can of Jelly Belly jelly beans yesterday , took a Vap from the pipe and I swear I thought the smoke just another flavor….


Shit Pie, thats the first description I've heard in a long time that I may have caught a contact buzz from. :D
And very similar to what I remember with that particular lady. Maybe this fall you should give her sister a go:eek: Shes at the skunky end of the taste/aroma spectrum and always a solid yield. Similar knock ya down kind of smoke. I had 2 nonregular smokers try it about a year ago, 2 hits and they were feeling pretty damn good. altho it did take 10-15 min for the buzz to fully mature, lmao. Was funny to hear them, initially saying how quick it hit them, then to realize 10 min later that it was only a front and they were now twice as high as they origionally thought, lol..

Dude, I only hope I fall into the genetic diverty that is quite possibly in the cards for me. If I do, consider yourself "IN" on them as well.

Awesome fucking yields too bro. Starting to sound like Im the boot licker now huh? lmao

[pie]

Shadows...Mahn what can i say....
Well, Well, Well,,,,,,I can’t help myself….WCQ’s influence here at the Pig has festered in the wide open circumstance’s brought on by the successful amount the nutrient calculator has enhanced my stash’s…Thats correct I said stash’s….After harvest’in the Golden Skush of last, it has become my personal stash that has always been before just grab whatever is handy in a mixed tub….The shit is great for my palette and i’m ah hording it. It is with these possibilities that have inspired one more stab just to see what happens. As I have stated it will be an AK-47 grow, however I will be shut’in down 2k and 8 grow stations that will act as a reservoir increase for a total of 15 gal per plant. I have attached the mix below. I am add’in the GH Grow and the local easy to git Cal-Mag substitute Technaflora MagiCal 2-0-0 same shit but they want to sell it to ya with the idea that it is 10 bucks cheaper than the Cal-Mag but the dirty little secret they don’t tell ya is the Technaflora is in a 4 Liter container verses the Cal_mag 1 gal…I know it ain’t much, but I don’t like hoodwink’in tactics. Course I brought the whole thing on myself for not order’in in advance from my usual supply (American Ag) but it was new pH tip replacement time chop, chop so could’nt wait….

Warning I have been gone about an hour smoke’in n do’in and have heavy shit to tell….It’s this fregg’in Skush…..

As ya’ll know I have not been happy with the fact that GH keeps their pH up (Base) analysis a big secret, but they do say it consist of basically Potassium carbonate and Potassium citrate. In my simpleton way I see this as predominately a K addition with the details beyond my current savvy….. but I need a way of put’in this K addition in the calculator as such……Golden Skush provides the follow’in….
I take 1 gallon of store bought RO at 000ppm and I throw in 10 ml. of the “secret” pH up. This yields a read’in of 350 ppm. I divide that by 10 for an average of 35 ppm the pH up adds at a rate of 1ml. per gallon. Now I trot back to the calculator Guaranteed analysis and label an open category pH up, Then enter what info I have which is only gram per ml. then I go to the solution mix portion and change the reservoir set’in to 1 gal and then I enter 1 ml. in the previously labeled category. Now by bounce’n back and forth work’in random guesses in the K percentage column in the guaranteed analysis and go’in back to the solution mix to work out a percentage that reads 35ppm in the K portion of the solution mix. With this worked out I change the set’ins back to 120 gallon reservoir and make the numbers match in the how much per gallon so it equals the known amount needed (50ml.)to correct to 5.8 in the total amount needed per gallon column …Yadda Yadda Am I crazy or can I safely say that GH pH up is loosely a 0-0-17. The calculator in limited capacity can be seen here (http://www.angelfire.com/cantina/fourtwenty/articles/profiles.htm) if not familiar… Q are you out there? Does it make sense to you? Damn you for tell’in me about this calculator…Mahn this calculator is the Greatest thing since sliced bread, Damn gizmo jest get’s me all confused,,,, The best tool I ever had….Cowboy Weaver and all the Pals of the Saddle from the Sunset Ranch “Let’s Git it Boys” .
With the increase in per plant reservoir from 7.5 gal to 15gal per plant, this single reservoir may take us thru the first 30 days un touched…. this is uncharted territory for me but I do know I have the opportunity to watch a longer rhythmic cycle of nutrient uptake. What I’m say’in is I have started out a little hot’r than I usually ever get to with the wild idea that I have got the ratios and levels close enough that in time numbers will flux but stay within reason….until extremes in plant or numbers occur I will just watch and gather data. By the way the final numbers were 1070ppm @ 5.8 dang close to the 1099 that the calc predicted


pi
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[buzzmobile]

I missed your day. (http://www.piday.org/)
:D

[pie]

Buzz...Hey mahn They didn't invite me this year after last years incident with the boss's wife's ass calculation..:D...Cool link.. Did you check out the million digits (http://www.piday.org/million.php) .

Heres a little ditty of what is to come in the future at the Blind Pig when we fire back up this fall...

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Start'in to think about that 24oz per k

pi

[pie]

Not much to tell. The girls are do’in great on auto pilot. As you can see I didn’t do any work on uniformity dur’in the clone’in process. The photos are of first day on the 13th and this morn’in. The reservoir has dropped by 20ppm and the pH has held steady. I did have to recalibrate the new tip I bought. Got to go busy, busy, busy. Tick toc, Tick toc, Tick toc,,, Adventure, Wheeeeeeeeeeeeeee


pi

[vernonsupreme]

is that the first day in the chamber, 1st day veg, or 1st day flower?

[Mr Burns]

is that the first day in the chamber, 1st day veg, or 1st day flower?

Tick tock tick tock.... sounds like the first day of medication to me Vern.... :p

[pie]

is that the first day in the chamber, 1st day veg, or 1st day flower?

I want to answer yes to all three, but I guess the first day in the chamber would be the most accurate…. Vern the whole concept of vegetative stage is sorta skewed here at the Pig. I keep them in the clone cab til they are about 5 er 6” then transplant into the main system in sync with the 18/6 they have been accustomed to. When I have done my job properly, in 48hrs they will show a slight droop from transplant that will last one dark cycle and at that point I switch to 12/12 and let the stretch fill my space with plants. Also com’in from under 4 cfl’s and go’in to 4k you are nearly guaranteed some lumen burn and the switch to 12/12 usually stops it here with 65% RH in the room…. I have found the 3x stretch factor to be very accurate at this young stage. Another thing I want to throw in here about stretch and lights. I stole this from a Hooded Claw entry. Raise them lights up! That’s correct raise the lights. I have always read to get them closer but when I followed his advice and raised my hoods and embraced the stretch phase I found there to be no more added stretch and it removed a lot of Hot, Dry air around the canopy top that in turn allowed a more uniform temp. throughout the vertical aspect of the plant material, that I think stimulated a more uniform vertical bud development. Yes my tops may not have been so intense, but the lower growth developed with a considerably more hearty vigor than the loss in top intensity… These things are the reason you see me weigh’in my stems and leaf along with my bud..

Tick tock tick tock.... sounds like the first day of medication to me Vern....

Burnsy that day was back in 1974 when I was one of a sophomore class of 13 and has been evolv’in ,grow’in and fester’in that will accumulate in and explosive pilgrimage of adventure and I’m ah count’in the seconds……Tick toc, Tick toc

Well I’m a man of the road
And the highway is my home
From coast to coast there ain’t a route
That I ain’t drove
Well I’m goin to Kansas City, headed up by 35
Then I’m off to Minnesota
That’s one hell of a drive
Well I’m a man of the road
And the highway is my home

It doesn’t matter if it’s Jersey
Or some town way out west
Don’t care how far I’m goin’
Cause it’s the life that I love best
I’ve got an idea where I’m headed
Just itch’in to go
So give me my ol’gourd and I’ll roam

Well I’m a man of the road
And the highway is my home
From coast to coast there ain’t a route
That I ain’t drove
Well I’m goin to Kansas City, headed up by 35
Then I’m off to Minnesota
That’s one hell of a drive
Well I’m a man of the road
And the highway is my home

[pie]

Steady as a rock....Is the way its go'in. The plants have been on this reservoir for 13 days at present and i haven't done anything but take read'ins that are the same day after day. I would like to hang out a mix and see if ya'll have any input. This reservoir would be the last mix for this crop I would think with the current reservoir size to plant ratio....
OOOO....notice i added the koolbloom to the chart? I punched in oodles of combinations and never could get anything decent... I still don't like this stuff..


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[pie]

Made the change to flower mix this morn’in. Day 15 in system...1160ppm @ 5.7 Pictured below.
As usual I screwed around and couldn’t find any Greenlight tomato stuff so I bought another brand that’s about the same thus the two different Ca columns in the mix.. The stretch is over and from yesterday till today there were noticeable new hairs start’in to come thru. Probably would have been better two days ago but thats just a nit to pick… To tell ya’ll the truth it is VERY nice to just have the six plants to care for, after what will be in June, four years of nonstop grow’in I love to grow weed but I am go’in to enjoy see’in some friends this summer….Actual human contact with like beings!... live’in in pretty much seclusion that long sucks a little….

pi

[pie]

Finally….Finally… an entire rain day to catch up on some promises and start git’in in gear for April 1st.

Butter day at the Pig…….One for a friend and one for me… Mahn you want yours in, butter er biscuits? Shoot me pm…. Shoot, Shot, That’s some screwey shit just over 1 circle full of nut’in….

While watch’in the water boil I’ll be put’in the final assembly on the travel case for the gourd and cut’in the lid off. Then line it with convoluted foam…I hauled it out to the bike this morn’in and it’s gona ride perfect to provide a backrest that I figure I’ll be ah hunt’in after that first 1000 er so miles and may be lay’in on fer that 5000th…

OH yea this is a grow journal ain’t it! Doesn’t matter cause there would be no garden without my online community and I see the community and my interaction directly reflected in my garden and you may also see something you recognize that I have see in your garden and adapted to mine….I would explain the photos but ya’ll are where I got the info and the waters about to boil... this download (http://www.therootslive.com/Roots_061705/13%20-%20Vernon%20&%20Maimouna%20Blues%20Jam.mp3) is complete.... time to smoke a Hog and kick off the day…..

pi

[pie]

March 29th
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Has the nutrient calculator improved the Pigs garden?

pi

[CB]

Has the nutrient calculator improved the Pigs garden?




seems so


:pass:

[swissmj]

beautiful mate.
thats going to be a nice and big jungle by the end of flowering time. keep it up pie.

cheers swissmj

[gorilla]

Lookin real nice pie.

GJ!

-G

[pie]

CB Thanks for drop’in in, and the pm


swissmj…. Thanks Mahn I appreciate it… That was a cool birthday you had at the expo thingy. I enjoyed see’in the pictures…Looked to be a groovy time…


gorilla….always glad to have ya by and Thanks.


OK…fix’in to make a reservoir change and feel the need of justifiy’in it to myself. :rolleyes:…..In the morn’in the current reservoir will be 10 days old, no top offs or additions and the ppms have crept up a little to 1220 with the pH down a single 0.1 to 5.7 and the level I would guess is at 60% of original volume…:confused. Hummm 10 day old reservoir ain’t bad given the per plant volume, but wait, let’s see, I am at day 24 in the system and I believe I switched to 12/12 after 2 days….22 days flower….. well if the cycle is 60 days that would leave 38 to work with. Now out of that 38, I go by the rule that I don’t need any nutrients for the last 10 days so this brings us down to 28 days left to feed…:deal:.out of that 28 I see the plant chow’in down hard for another 20 days and then start’in to taper off in what it needs for the next eight….I’m ah think’in, I go with the mix below and see what happens, make’in plans for one more fresh reservoir that I can do a couple of top offs on to finish out the grow. I should just do top offs on this one a bit longer but the fact that I am only run’in at half the electrical demand and these mix’s from the calculator appear to FUGG’IN ROCK I can’t help but experiment… I love the way it tells me exactly the financial demand for a particular change.
pi



The amount of base in the mix was a top end estimate based on last mix..

[Shadows]

I'd say the calculator has become a very powerful tool in your grow. Using it like a true pro mahn.

Looking forward to a few months off?

[pie]

Looking forward to a few months off?

You damn right.....I can't wait.....I have lived, breathed, eat, slept, dreamed, medical cultivation for what will be 4 years non stop as of June and the great people i have meet along the way have shared there knowledge and made it possible for the Blind Pig to achieve up and beyond the demands of the garden to stash away enough to break till fall….. This will allow for some tight’in up of a few variables and trim some rough edges so when we come back online …….Well you can make your on summation. Thanks to yourself, I have found my way in the garden, and I am go’in after pure growth seek’in out genetic potential rather than a multi strain breed’in direction. I just can’t keep it all straight and with WCQ turn’in me on to the world of nutrient structure …… given what I been told is in my future for genetics…. I believe nutrients, conditions, and charts of what the plant does is going to be my focus….just a stoner bookkeeper for at least one if not two years after the “Big Adventure”.
I’ll shut up bout that and let the crop pictures speak of what has happened in the last 35 days from Here (https://svr52.ehostpros.com/%7Ehomegr52/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=9752&d=1174570644)…..

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[gorilla]

Plants really look happy and strong, Pie. Good job.

Best of luck with everything. :)
-G