Flushing/Curing for hash [Archive]

Fingers

12-06-2006, 07:40 PM

I have completely given up smoking leaf material since I made my tumbler. Everything gets converted to hash now. In light of this, do I need to worry about flushing and curing as much?

I don't have to worry about chlorophyl breaking down, but what about salts in the plant? Do they need to be flushed from the trichs? I know that I still need to keep the plants dark and cool after they're cut, but can I hang them until they are completely dry and then just throw them in the tumbler?

Thus far I have been curing my product in jars with great success, but it seems to me that most of my work is thrown away after the good stuff is removed. I wonder if I'm wasting my time. Anyone have any experience with this?

gorilla

12-06-2006, 10:59 PM

I'm sorry but I don't have an answer for your flushing/curing question. :o

But I have some questions of my own. Do you put whole buds into your tumbler, or grind everything? What do you do with everything left inside the tumbler?

- G

Fingers

12-07-2006, 06:12 PM

I dry the buds completely, and I mean COMPLETELY, and then break them up. I used to do it by hand, but I found that it took a really long time to do an ounce or two and my fingers would be all sticky. So I tried running it through a blender briefly. As long as you don't powder the material, not that much green comes through the screen.

Keep in mind that I'm not making full melt here. I'm not even trying. I'm a light user so the little pucks that I make last me a long time. I don't need full melt to do the trick. That being said, the kief that comes through is still blonde in color and compresses well in my press without heat.

Once I have tumbled the kief for about three hours, I've been just throwing the green away. After I'd done this a few times, I began to think that maybe I was throwing away some good stuff so I started saving it. When I get lots, I'll try running it through again and see what comes out. I don't know when that will be because I use so little that I have a virtual unlimited supply from my meager annual crop. Why tumble old stock when I have plenty of the new?

Mountain

12-08-2006, 07:54 PM

With what you're doing I don't think a cure is particulary importanti. If you can get a nice press without heat that's pretty good kief...not much leaf in there. Whatever leaf is there will cure just fine before you get to taking a puffski. Flushing ain't going to do crapola for improving trichome quality. Them baybeez are resinous stuff without any real 'circulation'. If you don't need it that tumble refuse could be composted. Trichomes don't need curing IMO. That's good kief...press and enjoy :p.

Fingers

12-08-2006, 08:51 PM

Thanks for the input, Mountain. That's kind of the direction I've been leaning. There just doesn't seem to be much point in doing all that work if it's not improving the crop. I'd rather store a few chunks of hash than a few cases of quart jars. I built that damn tumbler so large that I can easily put my whole year's crop through in one or two runs.

pmoney420

12-17-2006, 09:14 AM

personally I would do the flush but not the cure. I would rather have some chlorophyll in the small amount of leaf than some fertilizer. Try doing some quick wash iso oil, making cannabutter or tincture or something with the left over material. Those things will store for a long time and will be nice treats every once in awhile.

Fingers

12-18-2006, 10:20 PM

By long time, how long do you mean? I'm asking because I'd like to capitalize on my good fortune by producing far more than I need and stashing it away for leaner times. Preferably in a uncontrolled outdoor environment (read buried) so that it hopefully rots rather than gets used. That being said, I'd like it to rot in a VERY long time. ;)

My plan is to make lots of lovely hash and seal it in small containers devoid of O2. I'd bury a few of these little containers here and there and should I have some major misfortune, I'd excavate a little treasure to keep me going. Can you do this with oil?

pmoney420

01-04-2007, 08:52 PM

Im not sure. If you plan on making LOTS of oil... you could buy a vacuum sealer with little tupperware containers that vacuum seal. If you filled these with oil Im sure they would last a very very long time. Hash would store the same way very well I would think. Ive never done this though.

Trailer Park Boy

01-04-2007, 09:06 PM

I wouldn't throw away the left overs at all. still lots of THC that didn't break off in the form of a trich. Iso wash or Butane extraction are both good methods of getting the last of the good stuff outta the material.

Both methods are easy to learn and very safe when done properly.

As for containers for large amounts of oil the standard around here is baby food jars and mason jars. Glass is easier to remove everything off of then plastic is.

Ricky

Lungus

01-04-2007, 09:13 PM

If your making lots of oil dont use tupperware, use glass. The oil won't stick to glass as readily as the plastic which makes it easier to get it all out when you pour vials. A baby food jar holds about a 1/4 lb. When pouring oil out of larger vessels into vials, use steam, not flame to heat the jar and make the oil easy to pour, otherwise the flame will burn the oil to the side. This will allow you to recover the last little bit that is stuck to the side of the glass. Once all has been poured out that will pour out you can now get the rest with a needle and some water. Take the needle or pin and get a little oil on the point, dip that in water and then start working the oil stuck to the glass. the water will work it's way between the residual oil and the glass and the oil will then release from the glass and stick to the blob of oil on the pin. Keep repeating this process of dipping in water and working the oil, once it gets started you'll be surprised at how easily it releases. That way you can get it all, with the tupperware or any plastic there will always be a little left behind.

Lungus

01-04-2007, 09:14 PM

Hahahaha, great minds, Ricky.

Fingers

01-06-2007, 02:30 PM

So then, the general concensus is that it's better to convert the weed to oil rather than hash for long term storage? I would have thought that the opposite was true. Well, at the very least I was hoping the opposite would be true in light of the fact that I can make hash very easily but I'm not set up for oil.

gorilla

01-06-2007, 06:56 PM

Hey fingers. I understand what you're saying. But after reading this thread I get the idea that as long as it's done properly, Hash will store for a long time as well. I say if you like hash, smoke hash.

You only live for so long! :D

Permagrin

01-06-2007, 08:37 PM

Fingers

01-06-2007, 11:52 PM

Be proud to. Remember, it only needs to run a couple of times a year so it was built with love...!

8388

Fingers

01-06-2007, 11:57 PM

Here's the drum itself...

8389

Permagrin

01-07-2007, 05:48 AM

Thanks. Nice job.

Trailer Park Boy

01-08-2007, 11:24 AM

I would still make hash if i had a tumbler, but the leftover green material still has lots of THC in it that can still be extracted.

Making honey oil from isopropyl alcohol or butane is actually pretty fast and easy. Everyone I show the process to can't believe it's that easy.
Once you have oil made, converting it to Budder is literally as simple as mixing it up for 10 - 15 minutes and letting it sit in the dark for 24 hours.
You get stuff at least as potent as your oil was, if not more potent, and it's not sticky like oil. One little match head sized chunk will get you high like no other single puff of anything else made from Cannabis. It's like smoking three decent joints in one quick puff, haha.

You can be set up to make honey oil for under $30, no problem.

I built my extractor myself and it cost me $7 with tax.

That budder is like freebase marijuana, haha.

Lungus

01-08-2007, 06:32 PM

You can be set up to make honey oil for under $30, no problem.

I built my extractor myself and it cost me $7 with tax.

That budder is like freebase marijuana, haha.
Hahahahah, Freebase marijuana, Ahahahahaha, but seriously, he's right. I was absolutely amazed when I found out how easy it was to make honey oil and budder. I like budder because it's easier to deal with than oil and it cost me $14 to get set up, I got the deluxe turkey baster, lol, and I already had a hose clamp and coffee filters. No wonder the dudes that knew how to do it years ago guarded the secret with their lives, if the word got out on how it was done we all would have made it ourselves. It sure would have saved me smoking a lot of crappy weed that I could have easily turned into something decent in half an hour.

gorilla

01-08-2007, 06:37 PM

I've never heard of "Budder" before.

It's just dried out oil?

Lungus

01-08-2007, 06:51 PM

It's just dried out oil?
Yup.

Fingers

01-08-2007, 10:02 PM

Now, I was under the impression that budder needed to be made with high quality buds full of gleaming trichs. Is it really worth washing my tumbled green for that stuff? If so, how much iso would I need for about a pound of ground leaf? I don't want to spend more than it's worth to get the maximum out of the stuff. I don't really have to conserve all that much but I don't want to throw away good stock of it's only pennies to process it.

(I think it's at this point TPB, that you offer to post a 'budder how-to' from start to finish.) ;)

Permagrin

01-23-2007, 05:59 PM

yes please a how to thread would be much appreciated.

Thoth

01-23-2007, 06:30 PM

I want to see a picture of 'budder'. hah

Trailer Park Boy

01-24-2007, 03:11 PM

I'd love to do a tutorial on it, but I haven't been able to find butane locally since fall. Even the head shop and the hydro shop are out.
Besides that I don't have any buds to extract right now.

The last time I made a batch i took a few pictures on a borrowed camera but I can't get the pictures off the camera and onto the computer. Also because the display screen on the camera is broken, I can't erase the pictures off the camera to return it.
What makes it so trailer park is that I borrowed the camera off my mom, who doesn't smoke pot, and would kill me if she saw those pics.

When I have more material, I'd be happy to do one. As for pics of budder, come on Lungus, I know you got some somewhere.