Strain to invest in...

[SpanglyBoovus]

Folks, I'm planning on investing in some new genetics in the future sometime, and hope to get something that's a known good strain. I hope to use this for potential breeding/seedmaking. Here are a few of the strains I've been looking at, but I'm looking for input from people here as well. I want to get something that isn't all that common in the crosses seen around the boards here.. anyway, suggestions of strains of any kind welcomed.. I personally am a sucker for great flavor above everything else,.

Western Winds - Sagarmatha
An almost pure Sativa with a soaring, cerebral high. Also a Cannabis Cup award winner with the Haze taste and high. Western Winds has been used in several breeding combinations for Sagarmatha, creating many champion varieties. A favorite amongst Rastas who wish to have a high energy buzz. Fantastic for conversation or romance with its relaxing and invigorating qualities. She has a unique Oriental aroma and spiritual atmosphere. Whether smoked in the morning or evening, the experience is always rewarding and pleasurable. Much of the staff at Sagarmatha states that Western Winds is their nug of choice. Third Place Winner at Cannabis Cup 1999
Flowering Time: Indoor 70 - 75 days
Approx Yield: 300 - 350 grams per square meter
Height: 1.2 - 1.5 meters
High: soaring, cerebral
Taste: very sweet
Growing Tips: Begin flowering at 4 - 7 internodes.

Matanuska Mint - SagarmathaThe legendary Matanuska Tundra and Coffeeshop Grey Area's multi award-winning Grey Mist have been combined to create wonderfully delicious, aromatic flowers with a plethora of crystals. Unlike Matanuska Tundra, a plant that provides a creeper type stone, this girl comes on fast, with the exhalation of your first toke. Another rush comes on shortly after, giving the smoker a long lasting stone.
She is also great for medical patients with complaints of pain. Flowering Time: Indoor 65 days
Approx Yield: 300 - 325 grams per square meter
Height: 1 - 1.5 meter
Taste: minty
High: positive, giggly and comfortable
Growing Tips: Begin flowering at 4 - 7 internodes.
Matanuska Tundra - Sagarmatha
This variety brings back that majestic legendary marijuana from the great Alaskan Northland. Highly recommended by the best fishing and hiking guides in the Matanuska Valley. The buds are huge and rock-hard as Denali "Mt. McKinley" herself. Intense flavor, chocolate aroma and potency have combined to form the most dense variety we have had the pleasure of producing thus far. A glacier of THC crystals frosts her colas. Medical patients have mentioned that she is very beneficial for persons with pain ailments. The "creeper" quality of the smoke comes on slow and smooth, like a hike up a majestic mountain peak. Flowering Time: Indoor 60 - 70 days
Approx Yield: 350 - 375 grams per square meter
Height: .5 - .75 meter
High: powerfully sedative
Smell: rich chocolate flavor
Growing Tips: Begin flowering at 4 - 7 internodes.

El Nino - Greenhouse Seed Co. First Place Winner Bio HTCC 1998 Genetics: Haze, Super Skunk, Brazilian and South Indian.
Effect: Smooth body feeling, very pleasant long lasting high.
Flowering Time: Indoor 8 - 9 weeks/Outdoor Late November (Northern Hemisphere), Mid May (Southern Hemisphere)
Approx Yield: Indoor 400 - 700 gr/sqm / Outdoor 900 gr/plant
THC = 12%
CBD = 0.7%
CBN = 0.6%
Jack Herer - Sensi Seed Bank This multiple hybrid is the result of many years of selective breeding, combining 3 of the strongest varieties known to man. Even though we are regularly put under pressure by obsessed growers to give pedigree details, I'm afraid that just as with the Coca Cola recipe this Sensi variety will have to remain a secret. This variety produces so much resin that even the branches bristle with stalked glands. This strain was presented at the High Times Cannabis Cup in honor of Jack Herer, one of America's greatest Cannabis activists and author of "The Emperor Wears No Clothes." "The bud was heavy with crystals and resin; the high was immediate and cerebral. An excellent strain." - High Times
Flowering Time: Indoor 50 - 70 days
Approx Yield: Up to 125 grams per plant
Height: 150 - 180 cm

Orient express
is an F1 hybrid born from the special mother of Vietnam Black ( selected for its quickness , dense and resinous flowers and its strong buzz and aroma ) and pollinated by our best males from Yunnan ( China ).

The final result is a powerful and uniform F1 hybrid( 60 sativa, 40 indica). Thanks to the chinese indica influence, we obtained a compact and columnar plant, that flowers in a short time ( 8-9 weeks ) and conserves the aroma and potency of VietNam Black, avoiding the typical stretching of the sativa.

Highly recommended for the asian sativa lovers who want a plant for discrete outdoor terrace grows or little indoor spaces

"Flower Time: "8-9 weeks
"Environment: "Indoor or Outdoor

[someoneelse]

Jack Herer - Sensi Seed Bank This multiple hybrid is the result of many years of selective breeding, combining 3 of the strongest varieties known to man. Even though we are regularly put under pressure by obsessed growers to give pedigree details, I'm afraid that just as with the Coca Cola recipe this Sensi variety will have to remain a secret. This variety produces so much resin that even the branches bristle with stalked glands. This strain was presented at the High Times Cannabis Cup in honor of Jack Herer, one of America's greatest Cannabis activists and author of "The Emperor Wears No Clothes." "The bud was heavy with crystals and resin; the high was immediate and cerebral. An excellent strain." - High Times
Flowering Time: Indoor 50 - 70 days
Approx Yield: Up to 125 grams per plant
Height: 150 - 180 cm

I have heard nothing less than spectacular reviews on this strain.;)

[rolanterroy]

Yeah I'll give that strain a great review too; I have noticed that some peeps don't really do so well with it, I dunno why, but I have tried it grown organically from several really killer growers and it's wonderful smoke, I dunno if I would call it cerebral, but really happy and POTENT too. Great flavors.

If you are planning to mess around with breeding spang, I would recommend you get a really good STABLE strain and avoid any f1 hybrids outta the gate. This way you will easier get a read on how the genotypes you cross with it recombine.

- REvster

[ndnguy]

That Orient Express is a nice pick, read a grow and smoke report on it that definatly opened my eyes abit. Westen Winds is same as Kali Mist isn't it ,a friend has a pheno of Kali that gave him 3 lbs dry and amazing up weed , lil or no ceiling was some top notch budwith a great yield.;)

[ice#1]

sensi just came out with a new strain called ed rosenthal it would be something noone else has yet or at least not many people haveing it

[peakguy]

Nirvana seeds now has an "updated" Jack Herrer they call Jock Horror that they say finishes earlier. Don't know anything more than that except I have ordered the seeds!

[RedEyezzzzz]

I'm looking for my new winter seeds... Just looked @ Jack Herer from Sensi Seed Bank

€123.87 EUR jesus christ that's some expensive shit! I'm used to forking out around $30.00 for some nirvana.

Anyone here fork out the big bux & the little bux for seeds? If so, has there been that substantial of a difference to justify spending so much more? Any input would be great.

[co-d]

Herer

IS SO FU&&$&$&$KIN GOOD!

i too would like to get my hands on some of those babies.

[RedEyezzzzz]

Seems ol' serious seeds are dry until August.

[The Hooded Claw]

Anyone here fork out the big bux & the little bux for seeds? If so, has there been that substantial of a difference to justify spending so much more? Any input would be great.

I've done Nirvana and as some will know, and serious seeds mostly (Chronic, Russian) and although my fumblings at starting indoors were with Nirvana which may be why they performed not so well, the Serious range were awesome.

I must have totalled 180oz+ from 6 White Russian seeds using a mom and I seriously wouldn't even bother trying with cheap seeds.

I see it this way, if you're OK with cloning then recognised and more expensive strains are a sure investment, but also tentative annual outdoor growing, but when cloning I want a strain with some sort of heritage or breeders recognition. I don't give a shit about a name. It could also promise hallucinations of young Thai women feeding you grapes whilst doing all sorts of naughty things, but that wouldn't interest me either. Maybe. I think. Yep. I'm sure. Maybe....

On a last note I buy half my stock online and half through a retailer. The Russians I popped seen half of them rot (my own mistake in germination) yet the retailer asked for them back to send in to Serious seeds. 3 Days later I get a phone call to say there's another pack of 15 waiting for me with their apologies. Now I'm not saying they'll refund all unpopped seeds, but if it were Nirvana or that kinda range they probably wouldn't wanna rven answer the phone they're so busy shovelling bag seed into sacks.

I think with quality seed there's a point when you poke your head through the grow room door and say to yourself "Yep, now that's how an mj plant should look", and especially when it looks better than half the pictures breeders link to their particular strain!

I think if you look through GJs at quality seed grows you'll see the difference.

My aim is to get it looking stature and as good as the breeders picture if not better. I think cheap seed is so varied in finish you'll struggle to even keep up with their best photo of the strain.

Rant over.

[The Hooded Claw]

Take a look at the doggies Nuts for prices....

.ganja.co.uk/cannabis-seeds/doggies-nuts-cannabis-seeds/armageddon-x-sirius.htm

That's nearly US$1K for feminized!

Read that middle paragraph. Shit and crock comes to mind.

Craw

[arnold layne]

Seems ol' serious seeds are dry until August.
i just ordered some from doc chronic the other day.
when i contacted the doc to check availability, i was told that all the beans i was asking about were in stock, but that the site had yet to be updated.
this included the entire serious line, sag's yumboldt, and big buddah blue cheese.
i'm looking foward to playing with the bubblegum from serious.
:)

peace-
arnold layne

[RedEyezzzzz]

I've done Nirvana and as some will know, and serious seeds mostly (Chronic, Russian) and although my fumblings at starting indoors were with Nirvana which may be why they performed not so well, the Serious range were awesome.

I must have totalled 180oz+ from 6 White Russian seeds using a mom and I seriously wouldn't even bother trying with cheap seeds.

I see it this way, if you're OK with cloning then recognised and more expensive strains are a sure investment, but also tentative annual outdoor growing, but when cloning I want a strain with some sort of heritage or breeders recognition. I don't give a shit about a name. It could also promise hallucinations of young Thai women feeding you grapes whilst doing all sorts of naughty things, but that wouldn't interest me either. Maybe. I think. Yep. I'm sure. Maybe....

On a last note I buy half my stock online and half through a retailer. The Russians I popped seen half of them rot (my own mistake in germination) yet the retailer asked for them back to send in to Serious seeds. 3 Days later I get a phone call to say there's another pack of 15 waiting for me with their apologies. Now I'm not saying they'll refund all unpopped seeds, but if it were Nirvana or that kinda range they probably wouldn't wanna rven answer the phone they're so busy shovelling bag seed into sacks.

I think with quality seed there's a point when you poke your head through the grow room door and say to yourself "Yep, now that's how an mj plant should look", and especially when it looks better than half the pictures breeders link to their particular strain!

I think if you look through GJs at quality seed grows you'll see the difference.

My aim is to get it looking stature and as good as the breeders picture if not better. I think cheap seed is so varied in finish you'll struggle to even keep up with their best photo of the strain.

Rant over.

Yeah, I've seen some of your grows & you've got it down to a science alright. Whereas me, I take 'good' care of them, keep their heads afloat in the dirt, chop, trim, smoke. 9 months go by - germinate, grow, chop, smoke. Repeat.

Until I get into maintaining some form of continuance I guess I'll stick to the CB's :)

[tripps]

Boy, I absolutely can't say enough good things about Serious White Russian, possibly the best I ever smoked, vigorous grower, easy cloner, good yield. I started with 3 strains in a perpetual grow, ended up 90% WR, it blew everything else away I was growing, in every category. Nute hog, seems genetically predisposed to a little defic, a little cal-mag clears it right up

[AzGrowa]

Well I'm glad to see some people think that the higher cost is worth it. My first purchase of beans came to about $100 US My next purchase is going to be nearly twice that amount but still only considering 3-4 strains. I purchased 3 strain this time around all in the 30-40 dollar range.
Considering some Stinky Pinky from TH Seeds, Special K from Sagamarta, Taskenti from CannaBiogen, White Russian from Serious, Mazar from Seedsman and Black Domina from Sensi, Along with Sandstorm, Orange Bud and Cherry Berry in the middle range and a couple of Maui Wowie strains along with Aurora, AK48 and B52 in the 30-40 range.

[tripps]

Well I'm glad to see some people think that the higher cost is worth it. My first purchase of beans came to about $100 US My next purchase is going to be nearly twice that amount but still only considering 3-4 strains. I purchased 3 strain this time around all in the 30-40 dollar range.
Considering some Stinky Pinky from TH Seeds, Special K from Sagamarta, Taskenti from CannaBiogen, White Russian from Serious, Mazar from Seedsman and Black Domina from Sensi, Along with Sandstorm, Orange Bud and Cherry Berry in the middle range and a couple of Maui Wowie strains along with Aurora, AK48 and B52 in the 30-40 range.

I'll vouch for the W Russian, you'll be happy. That Taskenti caught my eye too, it's on my wish list.

[Pistol Pete]

I Recieved A Couple Of Packs of GHS El Nino During The Free handouts At The Door Of Last Years Expo
They Were feminised El Nino:rolleyes:
Anyways , After Attempting To Germinate Them ( Not One hatched :mad:) I Started A Thread @ Another Site
It Did not Take Long For Other Members Who had attended The Expo To Explain Too That None of Their Seeds Germinated Either:mad:

Now , As Shantibaba ( Mr Nice) Was Originally A Part owner Of GHS Seeds Before Leaving To Go It Alone ( His SSH Won The Cup Three Years In A Row ;) ) He Took His Genetics With Him ( El Nino Included )
I Have Just Germinated Six MNS SSH In 48 Hours From Seven Seeds:)
Very Viable Seeds , And Also A Viable Option To GHS "Hype" ( They Recently Aquired A Big Buddah Cheese Clone In Order To Keep Up With Demand )

In Regards To The Other Strains Listed I Have No Comment , And Only Wanted To Raise The Point Of GHS Seed Viability And Quality;)
Have A Good Day
Pete:)

[Mr Burns]

I'll say this of GHS. The descriptions are way off what is produced and the pheno's are all over the place.
I have to say though that I've had a 100% germ rate so can't fault the seed viability I received, it was just the BS talk over how they will be :2cents:

To back up tripps and AzGrowa you have to dig a little deep but IMO with a company who has been around a while and has a mainstream strain base, with Serious Seeds being the NO1 contender IMO, for a guaranteed product that will do as it says on the tin if conditions are correct :2cents:

Lets not forget that some (!) cheaper seeds could produce a pheno that could really make you proud, but for a solid strain you have to go with a long standing seed bank and peoples recommendations. For me, Serious seeds White Russians are the best plants I've grown to date. Like tripps says, easy to clone and the finished product is the best I've had so far without additives but just straight nutes with an end flush.

I think I'm gonna germ some Russians and 11 in the tube at that 2thumbs

[Pistol Pete]

I Agree With You Mr Burns ; I Grew Some Ak47 X KalX Last Summer, And It Was Awesome.
I Don't Know Why They Discontinued It ?? ( Correction, They Were Not Serious Seeds , They Were TH Seeds ( Of Sensi Seed / Hash Museum, Where Adam Created Bubblegum And Started Up On His Own As C.I A ( Cannabis In Amsterdam);1989
Also Very Interesting Is A Chronic Cross By Magus Genetics ; Double Dutch ; Warlock ( Skunk X Afghan) X Pre 2000 Chronic; Typical Yield per plant; 100- 140 Grammes (400 watt HPS)
Also Read Some Rave Reviews On "Couch Bonding" Via Seedsmans Afghani#1
PP

[AzGrowa]

Well I received the 1st order of beans from The Attitude seedbank and I'm very happy with the delivery time, 9 days from the day I ordered.
On the 1st order I went for Hash Passion and Northern Lights from Seedman and The Pure from Flying Dutchman and got the 5 pack of G13's Thai Super Skunk.
This time around I did go for some slightly more expensive choices.
On the order form this time...Nirvana Blue Mystic, CannaBioGen Sandstorm
Sagarmatha Diamond Head and finally from Barneys Farm Red Cherry Berry and I qualified for the 5 pack of Thai Super Skunk plus the Power Skunk bonus.

I just really didn't have the nerve to spend 100-150 on some exotic strains just yet. I might go for one more purchase of one of the above mentioned strains from Serious, but I won't be germinating any of those until I'm pretty satisfied that I can grow some of the less costly strains.
As far as the high-priced beans go I've narrowed my choices to White Russian, Black Domina and Mazar. I wish I had the 300-400 so I could get all 3 but gonna go with 1 possibly 2 choices in the next 2 weeks or so.

And if any one is wondering about my sudden interest in designer genetics, I read a news article on another grow site that mentioned the UK Parliment was going to try an close the loophole regarding cannabis seed business, and were scheduling a vote on October 17th.
Not to panic anybody but I just didn't want the opportunity to purchase some quality genetics before the chance went away.

Maybe Burnsey or Cranky can shed some light on this tidbit....

[arnold layne]

The descriptions are way off what is produced and the pheno's are all over the place.
I have to say though that I've had a 100% germ rate so can't fault the seed viability I received, it was just the BS talk over how they will be

i had the same problem with my serious seeds bg from the doc.
the descrip said it was an ibl, and that it took many generations to make it stable.
well, i have 2 very different phenos.
one is very much sativa dominant, the other is very much an indica.
not that i'm complaining, as i do like a bit of variety, but these 2 plants are about as different as can be.
different flavor, different appearance (niether looks like the pic in serious' description), different aroma (yet both have a bit of bubblegum smell to them), waaayyyy different flowering times.
i'm hoping my outdoor sat pheno matures before the rains start (looks to have about 4-5 weeks left), yet my outdoor indi pheno is almost done (maybe another 2 weeks tops).

strange indeed.

peace-
arnold layne

[Dawg]

Nice plants arnold!!!!!!!!!! sorry to jack the thread...but wow thats some nice trees there. :D

[Freakshow]

I'll second that - very fuggin nice, Mr Layne. I don't put much worht in the claims of stable genetics. As long as they don't toss bananas all over, I'm happy with what i get and have fun trying the different phenos. Did you clone either pheno?

[arnold layne]

Did you clone either pheno?

indeed i did.
as a matter of fact, the plants you see are clones themselves. i've been working with these for about a year now.
due to the fact that i lost my indoor space this year, the original moms have been put outside to flower, and have received a generous dusting of NL#5 pollen (as have my hawaiian indica, cali orange, NL5, leda uno, somaXak, wr, old school indica, and gdp moms). new clones of all strains are happening, and waiting to be new mommas (easier to fit smaller plants in my closet), which will also be used to back cross..
i'm hoping the NL will cut down the flowering time of the sativa pheno, as well as adding a bit of potency.

in any event, i should have some interesting specimens to go outside in about 7-8 months.....
:D


peace-
arnold layne

[Elephunt man]

Dunno if I will ever buy seed again, grow budget seems limited to packaged poop only for quite abit longer.

Lots of strains still to try and can't resist making my own seed so no real reason to purchase genetics anyway.

Nevertheless, I do have my wish list, although it changes nearly daily. :rolleyes:

Can be summed up by saying I will grow and burn any pure sat, but a few are up on top of the list:

Vietnamese or Dalat
Haze
Columbian Black or Black Congolese
Santa Marta Columbian
Oaxacan

Interesting they all are probably the longest flowering strains in existence :rolleyes: patience = reward ;)

[AzGrowa]

Dunno if I will ever buy seed again, grow budget seems limited to packaged poop only for quite abit longer.

Lots of strains still to try and can't resist making my own seed so no real reason to purchase genetics anyway.

Nevertheless, I do have my wish list, although it changes nearly daily. :rolleyes:

Can be summed up by saying I will grow and burn any pure sat, but a few are up on top of the list:

Vietnamese or Dalat
Haze
Columbian Black or Black Congolese
Santa Marta Columbian
Oaxacan

Interesting they all are probably the longest flowering strains in existence :rolleyes: patience = reward ;)
I appreciate the info regarding sativas but I am looking specifically indoor indica strains

[Freakshow]

How about some Mental Floss, Belladonna or Medicine Man?
I've heard amazing things about all three strains

[Pistol Pete]

As They Are Both The Same Strain I Have Never Seen Anyone Advertise DJ Shorts Blueberry As Oaxacan
Has Anyone Heard Or Seen A Seedpack With Oaxacan On It ?
I'd be Interested To Know
( In 1980 It Was Up There As A Legend With Acapulco Gold And Panama Red;))
Yummers:)
Pete

[tripps]

( In 1980 It Was Up There As A Legend With Acapulco Gold And Panama Red;))
Yummers:)
Pete

I remember. :) Never heard it was BB, though.

[CylonBud]

I heard of those (Acapulco Gold And Panama Red) as a youngster along with Red Bud and Kind bud. Only ever toked Red bud then though. All I could get then too. :D

[CezarCronic]

Freakshow How about some Mental Floss, Belladonna or Medicine Man?

Agreed with this Indicas since your looking for indica strains , Mental Floss is one hell of a indica strain , stern is a strait thick poll with huge super big indica leaves and has a wonderful purple pheno at the end of flow period.( large yielder ) 55 to 65 days flow

I have 7 mental Floss plants now and one female till this point , haven't flow any yet but I'm looking forward to the treat:cool: .

Medicine man is a knockabout power stone ( White Rino ) lots of medical values , narcotic devastating stone high , pain and nausea relief ( large yielder ) 60 days flow

Belladona is a Skunk type strong well known smoke but not a very large yielder like the others 400g per m2 flow 55 to 60 days )

also recommend as good indicas :

Mr Nice Critical Mass 45 days flow time.. maximun yield up to 800g x m2

Mr Nice Shit 45 to 50 days flow up to 650g x m2

Sensi WL White Widow 50 to 65 days flow up to 150g x plant

Sensi W.L. Bleu Berrys , awesome strain but a bit difficult to grow

W.L. Sensi Start 60days flow time hight yield

Sweetseeds ....Sweet Afgani and Black Jack this 2 are very good smoke and good yielder

Flying Dutchman Pot of Gold Great strain with lots of resin and large yields

Green House... Lemon Skunk , Big Bang , Cheese , good strains Cheap and large yielder

Big Buddha ....Blue Cheese , i love this one .

Premiere seeds... Gods Bud , Blue God both indicas and very large yielder

Sensi Chiva Shanty ...45 days flow up to 150g x plant

W.O.S. Afgan Kush and by other seeds bank is also available

[CezarCronic]

Santa Marta Columbian

Let me give a little information on this wild Colombian landrace Strain .


Santa Martha's Gold

Sweet tasting Celebral Stone Indica Dominant strain from the upper regions of " La Sierra Nevada " Mountains in the North West of Colombia about 17000 km2 of surface and reaching up to 5700 mt about sea level 42km from the Caribbean Coast , there are more then 36 rivers in this mountain range a perfect habitat for many plants including this very exotic Ganja .

This strain is from the upper regions of the Sierra with a early flowering time around 9 weeks and a hight THC content of 23% , is characteristics is a very yellow Flower went reaching maturity .

This smoke was very popular among the Hippies in the 60s .

Her cosing and close relative from the lower regions of La Sierra is the all time famous Punta Roja or Colombian "RED HAZE" a very sativa dominant strain with a late flowering period up to 16 weeks indoor.


Lots of people get confuse with this very different strain from the same region , they both are real exotic strong powerful smoke but one is a early flowering strain =( Santa Martha's Gold ).

I have some friend with family in that region and I'm planning to take a trip some time to get me some of those wild seeds strait up that mountain man :cool: