The Nascence of a Grow Room #2 [Archive]

vernonsupreme

11-03-2006, 10:34 AM

Welcome to my soil grow journal, right now it is a little rag tag with lots of different aged plants every where. I am growing several strains that include

Avalanche
Baby Blue
Gxbl
SFxBl
HxBl
LuixHaze

These should keep me busy for a while, but more will be added as they come available

4x8 room, running 800 watts (2x .4k), upgrading to 1200w (2x .6k digi) asap.

plants in main room are on day 5 of flower, veg section is my 2 avalanche mother plants and some assorted seeds that are b/w 1 and 4 days old. next grow the cab will be compeltely full; I just got up and going again after a 2 month hiatus so it's a little sparse in the room.

thanks for looking around.

gorilla

11-03-2006, 10:39 AM

Lookin' good Vernon. :cool:

4x8 room with 2 400s, or better yet 2 600s, can really crank out a lot of weed. Rock on. :rockon:

Gr8Hit

11-03-2006, 10:47 AM

can you tell me about Digital HPS Vernon? Would rather ask you since you are in the process of purchasing already. This may be something to look out for with me later as I would love to get a "smaller" veg light... perhaps 400 or 600W. Since the 1k switchable I have needs strict timing needs--- just weighing the options....

vernonsupreme

11-03-2006, 10:58 AM

digital or electronic ballasts are great, I could go on and on about the benefits but instead i'll just cut and paste some

Power factor is 99% efficient. Silent operation w/ built-in axial fans for cooling. Can ignite both MH and HPS lamps. Built-in short circuit protection. No wiring necessary. Improves lamp life by up to three times. Constant wattage output. No flickering (stroboscopic effects), resulting in perfect illumination. Proven and tested to over 200,000 switchings. Weighs less than a 1/7 th of magnetic core ballasts. Quick disconnect 12’ cord. No start up current. Built-in safety features.

i already have one, but I am waiting to buy another one till I can get my electrical box upgraded to 200 amps. that way I can run a dedicated 220 line to my grow room for the ballasts and 2 110 lines for everything else.

tHEaNIMICnEEDLE

11-03-2006, 12:08 PM

sweet grow bags

highonfire420

11-05-2006, 05:32 PM

hey Vern,

Well I will watch along........smoke many a reefer too. Should be a great journal to follow along with.

Keep it green,

smalltime

11-05-2006, 10:03 PM

I think that I will pull up a seat for this. Looks like there is space over there in the corner of the room.

smalltime

11-05-2006, 10:48 PM

love'n them labels mang :D

nice line up ya got going...

grow on

Shadows

11-06-2006, 06:10 AM

Hey vern, whats going on bro? Im a bit shocked to see you using a humidity dome in that basement. My old basement always held about 65% humidity or better, would have really sucked ass if I was really growing back then. Keep that top soil as dry as you can for those in the dome. Damping off is caused by excessive moisture of the top soil. It allows a fungus to take hold on the stem of the young plants. When its said and done, the seedlings fall over at the soil line and the stem at the soil line appears pinched or shriveled. You can spray the top soil with Neem oil for some prevention or just allow the soil on top to stay somewhat dry.

Good luck man, hope you dont mind me sitting in

vernonsupreme

11-08-2006, 02:09 AM

i swear i responded to ya but i don't see my post anywhere...don't know what happened to it.

but my basement stays about 25% humidity during the winter due to the oil heat furnace, so the humidity dome is needed for the clones and i like to use it for the newest seedlings.

here are some pictures of my flowering room on day 8 12/12.
flowering plants are 1 luixhaze, 1 BB, and 4 avalanche.

also included are pictures of some of the new clones that were taken tonight. there are a total of 12 off of my avalanche mother, 6 off of the 2 new avalanche phenos i like so far, 1 BB male clone, 2 BB female clones, and 2 LuixHaze clones.

the new seedlings include 1 luixhaze, 2 gxbl, 2 sfxbl, and 1 hxbl.

the room should be a little more full once these all get a good 7 weeks veg time in em.

everything was fed with fox farms nutes, except clones and seedlings, plain water for now.

I will be taking more clones over the next couple days as they come available, I would like to have at least 30 flowering known females this next cycle.

11-08-2006, 10:10 AM

i swear i responded to ya but i don't see my post anywhere...don't know what happened to it.

say bro,

been have'n a few probs on the server so soz if ya lost a post.

been use'n backups from the server side some so a couple post might be gone :mad: hang tight this is being looked at daily..

grow on

vernonsupreme

11-11-2006, 10:36 PM

say bro,

been have'n a few probs on the server so soz if ya lost a post.

ain't no prob mahn...i'm sure i'll get over it :D and i'm sure what i said wasn't worth reading anyways :lol:

here we are day 11 of flower, everything is looking good. I was away for the past 2 days and these babies stretched like crazy., had to raise the lights a good 4 inches. they are probably done stretching for now and are starting to get some budsets and will hopefully start the actual flowering process, i'd say their verticle growth will not exceeed another 4-6 inches. (hopefully)

I also constructed a veg "cabinet" it was built out of some old lumber from my first grow cabinet i ever did make and some scrap sheets of panda plastic, it is about 2ftx4ft, works fine and has 160w flouro in there. i took some pics of it also.

hope ya enjoy:D

vernonsupreme

11-15-2006, 11:38 AM

found male pods on 2 of the avalanche phenos, one of the little bastards busted but I believe it was fairly contained, at least that's what i'm making myself think.

so i'm down to 4 plants, 2 of the avalanche phenos that havn't been grown before and 1 bb and 1 luixhaze. I will stick all of the clones into flower as soon as they show root in the rockwool. the only problem i'm having is whether to put them in soil or set up something hydro....

it's beginning to be winter and most greenhouses would have to order soil at this time of the year and the last time i did it I just got some weird vibes from the dude working.

I've got a good 15 soil bag setups that are full so we will see what happens.

everything else is looking great and has stopped stretching. I have both lamps right next to eachother with all the plants grouped fairly tight.

Shadows

11-15-2006, 11:49 AM

the only problem i'm having is whether to put them in soil or set up something hydro....

Freshly rooted clones in hydro will outgrow freshly rooted clones in soil. Sounds to me like hydro would be the best choice considering your amount of large plants just got reduced by 33%.

everything else is looking great and has stopped stretching. I have both lamps right next to eachother with all the plants grouped fairly tight.

Sounds like you've got it going on bro. Keep it green

NDS

vernonsupreme

11-21-2006, 12:31 PM

just put 11 clones into the flowering room, all of them off my avalanche mother, put a luixhaze into soil for a mother plant and re-arranged everything.

will try to get some pictures up tonight, the oldest plants in the flowering room are really starting to pack on some buds.

jj2ss3o2s

11-21-2006, 01:22 PM

bummer bout the AV's. All looks good though.

Been lookin at the AV's for a while. Anything you can tell me about em. the pics I've seen they were huge!

whats the flowering time like, and how tall do you flower em at?

vernonsupreme

11-22-2006, 12:15 AM

flowering time of 7-8 weeks. nice medicinal high. hashy fruity taste.

normally flower at alt. nodes, but am doing a round now straight from clone.

vernonsupreme

11-25-2006, 09:55 PM

10/11 clones survived the transplant. I took them straight from under the dome, into soil, a little bit of nutes (2.5ml/gal grow big, 1.5ml/gal tiger bloom) and into the flower cab with the 400 about 3 feet above the soil and left for 3 days. so that's pretty good :D

my 3 remaining ladies are really packing on the crystals as we approach week 4, they should start to swell up now.

I will take another round of clones some shortly, just gotta make sure i stay under 50 plants.

I want that batch to be in hydro because i'm getting very tired of doing soil and don't want to buy anymore, this is prob the last batch of plants i can do in this recycled soil without composting it.

no pics of the plants tonight, the g/f is going to be home in a few minutes and I havent' seen her for a couple days so we got some other pics to take...nothin i can post on here :eek:

there is alot of work that needs to be done tomorrow, I have the batteries charging for the camera now and will take a bunch of pics of the progress.

Shadows

11-27-2006, 01:44 PM

I will take another round of clones some shortly, just gotta make sure i stay under 50 plants.

Hey man, check out Norml.org. I think you'll find the fine for 1 plant no different then the fine for 50 or 100. The 1 thing that stands out for our state is that you will not get slapped with a manufacturing charge if it cannot be proven that you are dealing, IE no scales or multiple 1/4 bags sittin around.

As for the AV's, I hope your phenos do quite a bit better then the 2 I ran with. as ya know, 1 went hermie and the other was cut a few weeks early but in either case, the buzz left a good bit to be desired. it had that nice skunky aroma when fired up, but it wasnt very strong and didnt leave much of a taste on your tounge.

Get that hydro growin man, come on, lol.. I cant be the only one with Hydrophobia, lmao!

vernonsupreme

11-27-2006, 11:13 PM

Hey man, check out Norml.org. I think you'll find the fine for 1 plant no different then the fine for 50 or 100. The 1 thing that stands out for our state is that you will not get slapped with a manufacturing charge if it cannot be proven that you are dealing, IE no scales or multiple 1/4 bags sittin around.

As for the AV's, I hope your phenos do quite a bit better then the 2 I ran with. as ya know, 1 went hermie and the other was cut a few weeks early but in either case, the buzz left a good bit to be desired. it had that nice skunky aroma when fired up, but it wasnt very strong and didnt leave much of a taste on your tounge.

Get that hydro growin man, come on, lol.. I cant be the only one with Hydrophobia, lmao!

it's just hard to get the whole room swapped over to hydro, but it will happen sometime in the near future. i've got both bathrooms and half the kitchen torn out right now down to the studs so i've got alot on my plate.

the av pheno that is flowering now is not doing very well the buds are not putting on any weight it seems. all 10 of the clones that just went in are off my av mother, i could prob pass a clone along if you wanted to give it another try.

i'm going to go do some work in the room now and will take some pics as long as the batteries charged up, the stupid charger hasn't been co-operating lately.

Elephunt man

11-27-2006, 11:35 PM

vernonsupreme

11-29-2006, 07:03 PM

pods can develop anytime after the plants are flowering, and they bust shortly after they fully form, it is advisable to kill the plant before they form completely.....i just wasn't paying attention:D

i usually watch my plants pretty closely throughout flower, and try to at least once a week look at almost every budsite just to be sure.

vernonsupreme

11-29-2006, 10:30 PM

pics as promised. have been a little busy i've worked almost 30 hours in the past 2 days...we are very busy for this time of the year and hopefully it stays like that cause i work on commission :D

check out the random sprout I found growing out of the floor. I stuck it in a cup and will flower it after a few weeks veg time, it is doing pretty well and I have absolutely no clue what it is.

Shadows

11-30-2006, 06:57 AM

vernonsupreme

11-30-2006, 03:49 PM

Seeing that random sprout Im left thinkin of all the growers with germination problems. Paper towels, zip lock bags and all that other mess, when all they need is a chance for nature to run its course.

Are those BB bud shots? all the ones I grew had those twisty hairs and early trichs.
lookin good vernon

i have never understood people that can't get seeds to sprout, that is the easiest part. all the worry that people have about the "right" way to do it makes me laugh sometimes.

some of them are but i'm not sure, I didnt' take them in any order, I know all the closeups are of either luixhaze or bb.

the av that survived is one of the poorest looking plants I have ever seen. it is doing nothing now but wasting nutrients and space. it looks nothing like the plants from previous grows and I wonder if i mixed up the seeds. the clones that I have are what I remember from past grows.

vernonsupreme

12-04-2006, 10:15 PM

got the ventilation finally hooked up on the cabinet instead of having the door stood open, temps right at 78.

here are some pics, the clones have really started to stretch but are all looking good. one of the clones that I thought died that I had just sat outside the cab came back to life and I put it back under the lights so I have 11 clones in there now.

oldest plants were pretty thirsty, it's been a few days since i was able to pay any attention to them. but they are fine now.

moving into week 5 flower and everything is looking good. watered with POW tonight and will give them one last good feeding end of the week then will use florakleen to flush them out good and bring them home.

Elephunt man

12-04-2006, 10:35 PM

They look great!

I know I already posted one stupid question in your journal, but I had another:o . Didn't know you could flush with florakleen, I have some, but I was going to pick up some Botanicare Clearex. Have you always used florakleen?

vernonsupreme

12-04-2006, 11:00 PM

yeah it's all i've ever used. if you check the bottle it gives recommendations for flushing

12-04-2006, 11:01 PM

i have never understood people that can't get seeds to sprout, that is the easiest part..

know what ya mean bro... doesn't take much to get em going like

:D

Elephunt man

12-04-2006, 11:21 PM

yeah it's all i've ever used. if you check the bottle it gives recommendations for flushing

Thanks brother, I saw that on the bottle but I'm new and trying to always keep in mind that not everything is designed for MJ;) :D .

vernonsupreme

12-07-2006, 06:04 PM

day 37 flower, seeing some red hairs on luixhaze and a few on the bottom of the bb. none on the avalanche, but it will be cut at 7 weeks anyways.

all the new ones are looking good, stretch is about over and they are mostly around 14" tall. next batch I will try to get the clones to root a little bit more evenly but the mothers this time around were small and I was scrounging for cuttings by the end. I will also flower one of the avalanche mothers before too long, no real need for 2 of them hanging around, and with 2 months veg time it will probably explode and take over the room.

smaller veg plants are looking fine, need to get those to hurry up and grow so I can flower, clone, backcross, and get mother plants going of the strains I like.

I will put some pictures up in a few hours, maybe tom.

The Hooded Claw

12-07-2006, 06:37 PM

I will put some pictures up in a few hours, maybe tom.

Make em good bro.....

vernonsupreme

12-10-2006, 10:41 PM

day 41 flower, thought that I had watered everything 4 days ago and when i opened the room tonight the luixhaze had fallen over on itself and all plants were looking rather parched....went to my sink and there were all my water containers nice and full and ready to go. so I gave them all a good drink, don't think it will hurt them in the long run.

I backcrossed a baby blue plant tonight so hopefully I will have some f2 seeds. it's a little late in flower to pollinate but I will probably just leave the 2 buds that were seeded on the stem in the cab afte the rest is chopped.

all the clones have about stopped stretching, ended up about 18" tall, they are starting to form budsites and will hopefully start packing on the weight in the next couple weeks.

Shadows

12-11-2006, 07:14 AM

day 41 flower, thought that I had watered everything 4 days ago and when i opened the room tonight the luixhaze had fallen over on itself and all plants were looking rather parched....went to my sink and there were all my water containers nice and full and ready to go.

LOL, guilty of doing that one too, although 4 days would leave me harvesting dried buds, lol...

Lookin good vern. May want to get a sheet of that pink insulation board to put down on the floor in there. That cold concrete floor may be hurting growth rates.

Keep'm green gro
NDS

12-11-2006, 08:08 AM

thought that I had watered everything 4 days ago and when i opened the room tonight the luixhaze had fallen over on itself and all plants were looking rather parched....went to my sink and there were all my water containers nice and full and ready to go.

Just did the same thing kinda :rolleyes: had water ready to go last night and plants where thirsty.. woke up today and water is still ready to go lol, but only had 10 minutes before light's off..

got all taken care of in time and before coffee

grow on

vernonsupreme

12-11-2006, 04:29 PM

Lookin good vern. May want to get a sheet of that pink insulation board to put down on the floor in there. That cold concrete floor may be hurting growth rates.

hmmm hadn't really thought about it..but it makes sense I suppose. I will bring my infared thermometer home from work to see how cold the floor is compared to the room.

Just did the same thing kinda had water ready to go last night and plants where thirsty.. woke up today and water is still ready to go lol, but only had 10 minutes before light's off..

well i'm glad to know i'm not alone on this f'up. hopefully it won't happen again, but in the meantime i'm blaming the old lady for keeping me distracted:D

vernonsupreme

12-16-2006, 06:56 PM

flushed the avalanche and the luixhaze with florakleen a few minutes ago.

took a few pictures, will upload those after a while.

anyone know what the flowering time is supposed to be on luixhaze? it looks like 25% cloudy to me so i'm guessing another week shoudl have it nice, but that is only at 7 weeks/49 days. I would think a plant with haze in it would go longer ?

vernonsupreme

12-21-2006, 09:03 AM

first shot of one of the seed filled buds on the back crossed BB plant, have never smoked any of it but it looks real nice so this way I will have backup seeds if I like it. I did 2 small buds at the bottom and should end up with 40 seeds or so.

other shots are just group shots and some veg pics.

Shadows

12-21-2006, 09:14 AM

Profound

12-21-2006, 01:00 PM

http://www.homegrownbud.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=7983&d=1166716985

That little yellow puff there in the lower left, is that a hermie flower?

Looking good bro. Interested in what you think about the BB. To bad I didnt label the fuggin seeds here. oh well, surprises for later days, lol..

Damn if it doesn't Shadows......

::::thud:::::
sorry about that....fell out of the couchlock lounger to see that pic....
Sorry about the lurking..BUT...is that hermie ??:eek: :eek:

The Hooded Claw

12-21-2006, 01:12 PM

At least if you're at the flush, you're not gonna get seeds Vern. I found some on mine and I ahve at least 3 weeks left!

Well spotted ND.

vernonsupreme

12-21-2006, 06:40 PM

shhhhhhhhh.....don't say the "H" word around my grow room, i've been doing good this go around.

nah thats no hermie, that is just from where i rubbed the BB male clone on the bud. there is a couple of them laying around on the bud.

Shadows

12-22-2006, 05:49 AM

vernonsupreme

01-01-2007, 07:04 PM

the BB was chopped yesterday at 61 days flowering...looks very very nice. has been field trimmed and hung to dry.

luixhaze is getting ever so close, and looks nice enough to eat with a knife and fork..

avalanche (the original avalanche) is still taking up space and will be cut as soon as the luixhaze comes down and will be turned into bubble hash.

all of the clones are starting to mass up and are getting very crystally.

will post pictures as soon as I walk upstairs and get on my desktop machine.

pie

01-01-2007, 08:45 PM

will post pictures as soon as I walk upstairs and get on my desktop machine.

Must be a tall house....

pi

vernonsupreme

01-01-2007, 08:46 PM

Must be a tall house....

or a lazy tenant :D

pie

01-01-2007, 08:57 PM

Cain't blame ya for git'in distracted over at THC's...alot of eye candy in his garden....

later
pi

vernonsupreme

01-01-2007, 09:04 PM

here are some pics, sorry for them being under hps...i haven't slept yet this year

macros are of the Baby Blue

all small plants are original avalanche, tall plant is original avalanche, other big flowering plant is lui x haze

peakguy

01-02-2007, 01:23 PM

So, how do you like the way your digi ballast works? I am pretty interested in this option. thanks.

The Hooded Claw

01-02-2007, 03:12 PM

vernonsupreme

01-02-2007, 08:49 PM

Well done Vern! Second and third pics are my fave. The cola pic has it looking an even stick of delight if I may say.

Not one to draw the curtains on a grow, but what's in the planning phase for next grow.... can I hear water? :rolleyes:

thanks for the pos vibes thc.

i want to go to the water world, and have some equipment to do it with, but I am just not sure now is the right time....

I will have almost an elbow once these clones get cut. then I have some grape x blue lightning, halfie x blue lightning, stinky fruit x blue lightning, as well as any clones I choose to cut off of original avalanche, baby blue, and lui x o haze.

I have enough to keep me busy with just strain selection, much less having to worry about getting a hydro system dialed in. so it will most likely be a little while before I do anything wet.

vernonsupreme

01-09-2007, 12:06 AM

lui x haze and Baby Blue are both trimmed and in jars. both look very good and were more than acceptable on all levels.

Avalanche is going to the hash pile, looks bad, smells bad, yielded bad. bad pheno.

all clones are at 47 days and will be cut shortly. yield is described as dissapointing at best.

more to follow, lots of happenings around the homestead, to busy to put it all down now.

The Hooded Claw

01-09-2007, 01:04 AM

Sorry to haer about the Avalanche Vern :( So will that be the end of that strain or is there a replacement?

vernonsupreme

01-09-2007, 09:51 AM

Sorry to haer about the Avalanche Vern :( So will that be the end of that strain or is there a replacement?

no it seems that I had just picked a bad seed, the mother plant that I have is a completely different pheno and looks alot better.

Shadows

01-09-2007, 09:57 AM

vernonsupreme

01-09-2007, 11:42 AM

Hey, just so ya know the AV I just had go hermie on me, the smoke was pretty good considering she was only 4 weeks flower. buzz was a very strong heady high that passed after about 45.

Will you be starting more AV seeds? or are ya looking for something else to try?

i've got all the clones right now of my mother plant that are looking more like what they are supposed to, but their life was so rough early on it really affected the yield.

I have a lot of strains that need to be grown out and have the males culled but I have something in the works right now that might keep me from smoking/growing for a while so I will have to see how it goes.

what do ya have in mind?

Profound

01-09-2007, 03:04 PM

Damn Vern How'd I miss the donkey dyc schlong and sugar coated nugget pics ??

Good growing buddy...:::sorry to hear about you guy's trials and tribulations.

vernonsupreme

01-14-2007, 01:39 PM

Damn Vern How'd I miss the donkey dyc schlong and sugar coated nugget pics ??

sorry mahn didnt' mean to leave ya hanging. i've been pretty busy the past few days.

appreciate the props, my buddy says that they smoked real good, even uncured. I haven't been able to try any out yet.

I put one of my original avalanche mothers into the flower cab last night. this will be scrogged out under it's own .4k lamp.

I have several different ideas running about what the next grow is going to be, if any.

I did put a pair of BB f2 seeds into a paper towel, along with some unknown purple that came from a co-op in cali ( this is what i was told...we'll grow it and see)

so that's the plan....or lack there of.

The Hooded Claw

01-14-2007, 05:24 PM

so that's the plan....or lack there of.

C'mon Vern. If you're wavering on if to carry on gardening think of the planet. 'If' you'd stop gardening the planets oxygen levels will drop enough to suffocate 1 squirrel, and we all love tree rats :coffee:

What's pissing you off with growing?

vernonsupreme

01-17-2007, 10:43 AM

What's pissing you off with growing?

eh, it's not so much pissing me off...just think i could use a break for a little bit. that and my furnace is about to be replaced and the grow room is in the same room as the furnace, so I would rather not have to hide plants in full flower.

I also haven't smoked in a few weeks so maybe i'm just coming to my senses :shrug:

here are some pics of my mother plant that was just thrown into flower, she looks kinda scraggly because i had left town for 2 days and forgot to water her before i left, but she is upright and perky now.

all the plants hanging i just harvested (about half of the cloned ones) at 52 days, the rest will be cut at 56 days. they are all looking pretty good, small in size for the most part but covered in crystals.

I have cut down to one .4k lamp., i will scrog the mother plant down under that.

vernonsupreme

01-22-2007, 11:01 AM

well i was going to have pictures of the whole harvest but my camera is not co-operating. I will put some up tonight after i get back from work. it is looking pretty good so far quality wise.

vernonsupreme

01-23-2007, 12:23 AM

here are some pics of my most measly harvest of all time.

i either need to quit growing, or learn how to :mad3:

Elephunt man

01-23-2007, 12:31 AM

here are some pics of my most measly harvest of all time.

i either need to quit growing, or learn how to :mad3:

Sorry to hear that. I hope with a little cure it makes up for it. :)

gorilla

01-23-2007, 09:50 AM

Plants look good to me. :cool:

vernonsupreme

01-23-2007, 11:19 AM

they might look good but ending up with a few grams under a quap isn't anywhere near what i should be pulling out of this room.....

hmmm.....

Shadows

01-23-2007, 01:30 PM

they might look good but ending up with a few grams under a quap isn't anywhere near what i should be pulling out of this room.....

hmmm.....

damn man, you starting to sound like me, lol... j/jk

doesnt look like its you thats the problem tho, maybe the technique. Looks like all those plants were allowed to grow naturally. A little training or topping could do alot for you and your yield.
Also, veggin til the plants are 1/3 the size you want them to end up will do great things too.

Its just this grow brother man. You'll work the kinks out, as I am. Soon I'll be Scroggin. @ 2.50 for a 2'x10' piece of 2" chicken wire why the hell not?
may want to consider the same as its not a huge investment and I've seen a 400whps pull damn near a pound off a screen.

jj2ss3o2s

01-23-2007, 01:48 PM

dude if you get 7 grams a plant and had 10 plants thats over 2 ounces, (of course you got more) which would cost much cash otherwise.

you got time to work on your yeilds. they will get better with practice;) In the mean time at least you got plenty of smoke:D

The Hooded Claw

01-23-2007, 02:19 PM

I also haven't smoked in a few weeks so maybe i'm just coming to my senses :shrug:

I hear ya.

I hear ya.

vernonsupreme

01-23-2007, 10:47 PM

well i forgot to mention the 2 other plants that I had pulled down before.

all in all I got about 6 ounces. now I would have had alot more but had a lot of hermis so my plant number was cut.

I will either be doing an nft grow or some bubble buckets/bio buckets. so I have enough to last me for a while so I can figure it out.

true, 6 ounces of primo bud would cost me a good bit. but once you factor in the hours you spent working on the grow, is it worth it? hell yeah it is :D

thanks for the opinions fellers.....

vernonsupreme

01-24-2007, 11:27 AM

finally got around to it.

put my mother under a home made scrog screen. found a hula hoop in my basement, tied some string to it and this is what I ened up with. put it on top of 6 grow bags full of soil.

moved my reflectors around so that both lights are down on the one plant.

lets see what .8k in hps can do for a scrogged mother plant

The Hooded Claw

01-24-2007, 11:54 AM

.....
I will either be doing an nft grow or some bubble buckets/bio buckets.....

I'd say NFT Vern. Its obvious I'd say this but we need more NFT chaps to preach how easy it is. Pump failure isn't as bigger issue as is repeated in many claims because if you have the NFT trays that recess into the nute tank you simply over fill the tank and drape the spreader matting into the res tank. If you go the remote res route you'll have the huge advantage of completely flooding the root system in the unlikely event of pump failure, and also be able to test & adjust PH & EC without entering the grow area. This way you can service the nutrient levels & PH at any light period fitting it around whatever else you have to do, and not having your life fit around the grow rooms light period.

Personally Vern I think you'll benefit from loosing the restricted grow room access that the light period is giving you. Its nice to service the system without having to even open the door and at any time day or night

Did I mention the system is so so quiet?

Good luck with whatever you choose Vern and if I could help in any way I'd be more than willing to share what I've learnt.

Shadows

01-24-2007, 12:10 PM

Will you be veggin her at all under the screen or doin a straight flip?
It will definitly benefit you having it in there. atleast IMO

I'd say if THC is willing to help out, NFT all the way. But if your still unsure, run a single 5 gallon bubbler to the side, lol... you got 2 lights right? you can be the guinee pig, pit one against the other.
Good luck in what ya choose bro
NDS

gorilla

01-24-2007, 12:27 PM

Should be killer Vernon! :eek:

vernonsupreme

01-24-2007, 02:04 PM

it's already been in the flower room for about 4 days so it is just starting to stretch.

i think nft is going to be the ticket, but the trays are so hard to find here. the cheapest option I have found so far would be the under the bed rubber maid trays that are 6.5" tall and 24" widex 48" long. 4 of these would be perfect and would fill the room fine.

I want to be able to run the flower room 2 times a year and be fully stocked, and I give away at least 50% of my harvest to people who need it.

I would like to be able to pull at least a pound per cycle. and with the new lights I don't see how that would be a problem. i'm planning on going with 2 .6k lamps in the near future.

i was also discussing with daltron for a while, before his passing; the use of nft methods in a bio setup...I think it would be more than possible...

vernonsupreme

01-30-2007, 06:32 PM

stuck 6 more plants into the flowering room, will cull males as they appear.

1 unknown (the seed that got away)
stinky fruit x blue lightning
halfie x blue lightning
grape x blue lighting

not sure what the numbers are on the BL varieties, didn't even pay attention as they were put in, just needed to get some of the plants out of the veg room that have not been sexed yet.

the mother plant is looking good and is starting to add some mass the the many many bud sites that are appearing everywhere.

vernonsupreme

02-02-2007, 01:34 PM

here are some pictures....

not sure what is going on with that one plant, possibly zinc def. will see if it clears up once put in a bigger container.

everything is going along pretty good, mother plant is starting to grow some nice bud sites, I am really curious to see what the final yield will be off this one plant.

Shadows

02-02-2007, 02:08 PM

vernonsupreme

02-03-2007, 07:50 PM

That mom is filling out the hoola hoop nice bro. Watch them solo's man. When they start needing daily waterings, you'll need to feed every other watering @ 50% stregnth. may be able to go 75% stregnth, but since you are feeding more often, alot of that goes to waste or just flat burns the shit out of them.

i'm trying to avoid putting them in bigger pots of soil...my plan is to clone them and put them straight into a large bubbler that will be used for some bonsai mothers...or something along those lines.

my soil is pretty exhausted after being recycled for 3 grows now without having anything put back into it. I do not want to buy soil in the middle of feb. just to repot plants to sex them. hopefully I will be able to run them for the next couple weeks with no problems...

i just gave them a good dose of 15 ml/gal of grow big, all plants in veg recieved the same feeding. the mother plant got 10 ml/gal of tiger bloom and 15 ml/gal of big bloom. they were pretty wilted down and needed some fluids... I was busy last night with company and didn't get a chance to get down there and check em out...

02-03-2007, 08:12 PM

on the solo cups i have had good luck with let'n run off stand for a day or so in a drip tray instead of the everyday care...

have 2 at 7 weeks flower now and only water/feed every 3 days but my temps are down a bit but even so should be able to do 2 days in between at least i think

found it kinda hard to over water them really as they can dry out super fast if need be ;)

another thing I notice with reuse'n soil that is not feeding right leads to a lower harvest weight then normal

grow on

pie

02-11-2007, 06:48 PM

Like that Hoop mahn.....
Reminds me of a big Dreamcatcher (http://www.cia-g.com/%7Egathplac/dreamcatcher_legend.htm)

vernonsupreme

02-12-2007, 08:29 PM

another thing I notice with reuse'n soil that is not feeding right leads to a lower harvest weight then normal

grow on

ithink that is 90% of my problem right now mahn....soon to be remedied.

I culled 2 gxbl and 2 hxbl males to the veg section with baggies over them to collect pollen.

still have one of each of them in fem version in flowering. will clone, and save pollen for back crossing if the strain is likeable.

I will also put some BB pollen on the avalanche mother to get some seeds.

that plant that I found growing in the corner has showed sex as a female. she will be flowered out and cloned as necessary.

I will transplant the female plants still in dixies tom night...been hectic around here lately.

fed flower last night with 15 ml/gal grow big, 10 ml/gal big bloom, 5 ml/gal tiget bloom..I know it is late in flowering to add nitrogen supplement but necrosis is setting in badly and I am only 3 weeks into flower. This will be the last large dose of nitrogen hopefully. ( this is due to the weak soil mix)

veg with 15 ml/g grow big on all plants.

vernonsupreme

02-19-2007, 08:05 PM

tip of the day-

don't turn the on/off switch backwards on your timer while trying to turn your lights on, because it will strip out the gears and your lights will stay off for 2 days till your stoned ass goes back down to check on them again.

fed flowering with 10ml/gal tiger bloom 15 ml/gal big bloom.

veg with 10 ml/gal grow big.

took clones of grape x blue lightning and halfie x blue lightning.

scrogged plant is looking nice, starting to pack on some crystals. will try to post some pics soon, been pretty busy lately.

02-19-2007, 08:36 PM

vernonsupreme

02-19-2007, 08:54 PM

went digital here ;)

i had a digital timer and it worked good for a while and then it wouldn't hold a program after that....maybe i will need to try another one. I need to pick one up anyways since i had to steal the one off my o3 gen for the lights. i will check prices....might even go with a hot water heater timer....

vernonsupreme

02-21-2007, 06:05 PM

transplanted all plants in flower besides scrog into pots, bigger than the dixie cups but not by much.

took six clones of my mother plant, mostly just to knock her down a bit, she is out of control and probably won't need to be used for another month or so, at which point I will need at least 25 clones.

also cloned the plants in flower, except the unknown...I flowered her before alt nodes, so if she is nice I will probably reveg. I doubt it though, I want to get the strains figured out and stick with something.

I am going to be building a hydro system, probably out of the under the bed containers, it will take 6 of them to fill the room, 4 or 5 plants in each container, grown under nft conditions. I have a 380 or so gph mag drive pump that I will use to power the system, haven't figured out everything yet, it will be remote rez, very homemade, and very productive. the next step will be upgrading lighting.

I might be using canna nutes, but they are very expensive....could go with GH till I get the system dialed in.

either way, just thinking out loud, feel free to chime in with suggestions.

here are some pictures of the progress.

the cali purple pic is a seed that i pulled out of a bag of weed one of my buddies bought, it was a nice ass purple bud all the way to the stem.

02-21-2007, 06:17 PM

could go with GH till I get the system dialed in.

I found the GH dry concentrate 2 part to be well worth the money for the ease of use.... what i used on first hydro few years back

3 part liquid gives you a bit more control over the NPK ratio tho ;)

:pass:

vernonsupreme

02-21-2007, 06:50 PM

3 part liquid gives you a bit more control over the NPK ratio tho ;)

:pass:

yeah i used the 3 part series when i grew in bubble buckets and really liked the results...

under 1 400w lamp it is my highest single yield so far. my second biggest crop ever.

vernonsupreme

02-24-2007, 09:31 AM

well I have been thinking, I got one more crop in me, so i'm going all out.

but i'm not going to worry about building a new hydro system, getting it dialed in finding which nutes I like blah blah blah.

I'm going to get around 60 grow bags and pack the room full, get all new soil and a bunch of perlite, and do one full sog run and then I'm done with growing for a while....

I might string a screen across it all and do a 4x8 scrog...

I have around a half lb in my closet, hopefully will get a lb + from this sog grow, that will be enough to last me for quite a while.

I have alot of big business steps ahead of me in the next 6 months to a year and will not be able to focus on a garden.

Profound

02-24-2007, 04:40 PM

Ok I'll bite....any specific strains...??

vernonsupreme

02-24-2007, 05:10 PM

Ok I'll bite....any specific strains...??

well I have mother plants large enough to do clones of Baby Blue and Original Avalanche. I might also be able to do one or two others depending....

I went down and measured everything today and I will be able to fit b/w 40 and 50 3 gallon grow bags in the room. I just dropped 50 1 inch rockwool cubes into ph adjusted water. already have 6 avalanche clones that i took last night...

so profound got any ideas for a good soil mix on this one? I will be using organic un-ferted soil and fox farm chunky perlite, along with fox farm nutes....

all ideas for a soil mix are welcomed....

02-24-2007, 06:20 PM

any ideas for a good soil mix on this one? I will be using organic un-ferted soil and fox farm chunky perlite, along with fox farm nutes....

all ideas for a soil mix are welcomed....

why not FFOF soil ?

works great with there nutes :D

pie

02-24-2007, 06:52 PM

but i'm not going to worry about building a new hydro system.

Good shit Mahn! Winter is a lot better time to learn how to control reservoir temps. and think of all the cool’in cost you will save while you have time away from your garden to chase whatever you want to chase between bong hits this summer…

, that will be enough to last me for quite a while..

Probably Not as long as you think…:smoke1: or at least it never git's stale around here....

pi

vernonsupreme

02-24-2007, 07:25 PM

why not FFOF soil ?

works great with there nutes :D

yeah but not with my wallet mahn.......20 bucks a bag....not when i can get organic un-nuted soil for 2.50 for 40 pounds.....

I'm just curious if adding mushroom compost or some other ingredients would help out my yields...I have never added anything except perlite.....

while you have time away from your garden to chase whatever you want to chase between bong hits this summer…

that's the main thing...i got 28 hours of stuff to do every day and I have really been neglecting the garden, it has affected my yield and quality which affects my mood and happiness....so I will put my best foot forward on this and hope to be satisfied so that I can take some time off to just smoke and enjoy it...

an elbow will last me quite a while...i don't even smoke a half gram a day...