C-22 Multi Strain Perpetual Cabinet Grow [Archive]

Shadows

10-09-2006, 01:30 PM

First of all, a FYI, I like to talk about my grow and have a tendency to repeat myself on occassion and to post lengthy replies that could have been summed up in 1 or 2 sentences, but thats who I am and how I journal :D , so I hope you enjoy my ramblings and have time to drop some bantor as you sip your morning coffee.

This comes a little premature as I had hoped to have pictures with me when I started up this journal, but as it stands I dont and wasnt sure if I could go to much longer without an outlet. Hopefully this journal will be a kick start to get me up to speed faster.

Earlier this year I moved and with the move came the need for a new grow space. Since I knew this grow was going to have to be out in the open, stealth was of upmost concern. I went to Home Depot and picked up a C-22 cabinet that measures 48" wide, 24" deep and 72" tall. This was going to be home to my hobby for a long time and had to be good enough. Where as most C22 or C24 users use the entire footprint of the box for flower I decided it was better for me to use the factory separation and put veg on one side and flower on the other. The box was built with as much grow necessary stuff inside of it as possible.

In the top 2'x2'x4' section we have a mechanical room and a filter room. In the mechanical room I have a Lasko personal blower fan and the ballast for my 250 hps. The lasko fan exhaust out of the mechanical room thru the carbon filter. This causes a negative pressure in the mech room, to which I have 3-4" round ducts connected that also connect to my growing areas. 2-4" round lines go to flower, 1 for the cool tube and one for general heat removal. The last 4" line runs over to veg and exhaust the hot air from there created by 3 22w CFLs. The carbon filter is a self built unit. It is 8" square on the outside and approx 22" long. The inside of it is 5x5, also 22" long. This allows for a 1.5" section of carbon. The inlet on the filter is 6" round and as you'll see in the pictures to come, works fine with a 5x5 interior.

The lower right hand side of the cabinet measures roughly 2'wide, 2' deep and 4' tall, give or take a few inches each way, and is the flower side. In this area I have a 250w HPS in a cool tube and a 32w circuline flourescent. The 250 is hung by chains for adjusting height and the circuline is done with rope, and is MUCH easier to adjust. I have 1 4x4 computer fan in here for wind and a second one blowing down the cool tube to keep it cooler.

The lower left hand side is broke up into 3 sections. The very top of that side is veg @ (rough measurements)2'x2'x18"tall. There are 3 22w 5500k CFLs in this area hanging vertically thru the center of the space. There is a Holmes 6" fan hooked to a speed control in here for wind. Below veg, in what was going to be a seedlings and clone section, has turned into storage space. Its just tall enough to fit a 1 gallon milk jug and has the same 2x2 rough footprint. In this area is kept all my nutrients, trim, small pots, vermiculite, temp gauge and a few other odds and ends. Below that in what space is left (12" tall I believe) is my intake air section. The bottom has a 3"x9" hole cut and a second 6" Holmes fan on speed control, forcing air into the cabinet. This is a very recent addition, that so far is proving to do a great job bringing my flower temps down from 86 to 82 degrees. This fan is only on when the HPS is, other wise its not needed.

Certain things had to be done to keep within the "stealth" needs of this cabinet. For one, and remember this one, I had to add Acoustical Ceiling tiles in the mechanical room and filter room. This was not an option after I saw just how well they really worked in this application. It really sucks alot of sound out of my exhaust. Just remember to put the finished side towards your noise making equipment, it does make a difference. Another thing that was done, is the entire flower side was lined with a Dynamat like material. This cuts down on the radiated noise from the computer fans and cool tube and it makes the cheap back board those cabinets come with sound like a sheet of 1/2" mdf when thumped. Both the flower side and veg side were fitted with a secondary door panel. This was to give me total light blocking, which it did the first few months of use, until the weatherstripping got a little worn and now Im seein little sparkles of light here and there, nothin terrible tho.

And that about wraps up the cabinet. Well talk about plants in the next post

drumin

10-09-2006, 01:35 PM

A bit long winded eh... :blah:

:D

Shadows

10-09-2006, 02:07 PM

As of right now, I have no clue just how many cultivars I have going. I'll try to run thru the list as best as possible from memory. Typically I call them strains, but cultivars is more fitting as I have 4 White Rhino females from seed, but each is different and thus has different requirements. Classifying them as the same strain would assume they had the same needs thru growth and grew the same way, thats not the case..

So heres whats sittin in the shadows box.
Golden Skush, otherwise known as Pot Of Gold. Apparently I got one of the good ones with her. She is a heavy indica that resembles a Sensi Star in flower. She only stretches 2x in flower and produces some of the tightest most potent buds of my grow. A very nice piney/fruity tasting bud. 2 hits will buzz you for 2 hours and the sky is the limit. the more ya smoke the higher you get.
Afghani - a nirvana special. Definitly a strong sativa side to her in veg and early flower but the buds tighten up nicely and get very crystally by the end of flower. A nice fruity taste and a strong all day kinda buzz
WR#1- For what is supposed to be a WR, I find this a very berry tasting strain. After 6 weeks flower she starts to develop pink catalyxs and the crystals kick it up a notch. So far I've taken her 8 weeks in flower and was blown away with the high. That was on the origional seed run tho, Im now 4 weeks into her first generation clone and very impressed so far. A heavy indica growing plant with a very indica high. flavorFULL
WR#2 has some similarities to WR1 in that it has that berry flavor and a very strong buzz, but thats it. She's got a little more sativa to her in the stretch and in how the buds fill in the gaps. The difference between her and other sativa plants I've grown is the density of the buds. This is definitly a Producer plant and it has a buzz thats 4th in my top 5.
WR#3 I believe will be on the cut list. I just recently harvested her second generation plant and not very happy with its flower time, or its flower potential. The buds once again have a berry scent to them but its not evident in the bowl. Also she is a very wicked sativa, and well thats just not my bag.
WR#4 Im on the fence about. Shes between 1 and 2 in growth and potential but her buzz lacks. I sometimes think she'd be a good filler plant for those blank spots in the canopy, but still need to do a clone run to see just how she stacks up.
BB#2 is my own breed of plant. Its a Mystery Blue crossed with a hashplantXafghaniXBlue lightning male. Oddly enough the buds have a citrus scent and taste. Shes about Sativa as I like to go with a buzz, but fortunatly she has indica traits thru veg and flower.
Just recently I traded out some beans with a local grower friend and acquired some Avalanche F2's. I have 2 females of this and I'll be grouping them together for now as they are very similar thru veg. I took the top of each one about 5 days ago and stuck 1 donor in flower. The other donor is waitin out her transplant in veg and goes in flower tonight. Both of these ladies appear to have a strong sativa side to them, so we'll see what happens in the weeks to come.
Im pretty sure thats all of them that are around.
In veg I have atleast 1 of each of them, except GS and affy (2 of each) and in flower there is 1 GS, 1 Affy, 2 WR#1, 1 WR#2, 1 BB#2 and 1 Avalanche. Of those in flower, all are in solo cups except 1 WR#1, WR#2 and the avalanche. Consider it an experiment with the solos. So far I've managed to yield between 7 and 12 grams dry from a solo cup out of about 8 different runs that way. Apart from being a daily activity to care for them, I really find it no more difficult to grow. The test will be in a few weeks, when I load up a 3 gallon container with soil and 8 clones (or as many as will fit) and send them to flower.

And with that, welcome to my journal. Please dont hesitate to ask questions, or add information at any time. To me, the best part about a journal like this is interaction with other growers. I talk about what works for me, you talk about what works for you. Chances are, theres gonna be some good information in there for a new grower. So lets have some fun, and get on with the journal. I hope to have pictures up for those that dont wish to read so much with in a few days. Until then, keep'r green..
NDS

Shadows

10-09-2006, 02:13 PM

A bit long winded eh... :blah:

:D

Yup, longwinded, now thats being nice about it, lol... Im surprised I dont have carpel-tunnel after a days update.
Thanks for poppin in Drummin, oh and too cool getting your wife involved in the site. I have a hard enough time getting mine to see the plants before they land in the bowl. :D

gorilla

10-09-2006, 09:00 PM

Can't wait to see pics of all that fitting in a c22. Sounds like a lot of thought went into it.

Think you answered any questions I might have had. :D Have a good one. :cool:

10-10-2006, 07:10 AM

hmmmm a C-22 you say?

guess your not a micro grower anymore huh :p

look'n forward to the grow

Shadows

10-10-2006, 08:18 AM

Here we go with an overall photo showing both veg and flower opened up. Ofcourse veg on left and flower on right. and the storage under veg is visible as well..

Next is a shot of flower to show how they are packed in ATM

Picture #3 is of WR#1 4-5 weeks in flower and my furthest along

Pictures #4 and #5 are of WR#2, about 3 weeks flower and still stretchin 1/2" a day. I hope that slows soon, although it only means more bud

Now 6 and 7 are the newest ladies to I have going. These are AV1 and AV2 respectively, AV=avalanche. Both are pretty similar and AV1 is 5 days ahead of AV2 in flower. (AV2 havin just entered lastnight)

And in this set, #8 is BB#2 after a reveg. I jumped the gun on putting her in flower and didnt allow good veg growth to start in. Not sure how she'll do but I have a second one in veg so its worth it just to see.

Shadows

10-10-2006, 08:29 AM

A few more shots to wrap up the plants. I dont have any of veg besides the overall with flower. My son woke up and knocked on the door as I was about to start clicking and that put a hault to everything for the night. so with that, heres some more plants in flower

Picture 1 is of Affy. shes 3 weeks flower now
Picture 2 is of the same affy, but this time revealing that she is in a solo cup

I've got another Affy in flower, only a week or less in to it and that is Picture 3

#4&5 are my white rhino male. 5 days in flower and he's buddin strong. Lastnight after takin the picture his branches were strapped to his sides and he was put back in 24/0 lighting. Tonight those flowers will get bagged to hopefully catch the release of pollen, without contaminatin the entire grow

Pictures 6 and 7, well I was going for a good closeup of the WR#1 top. Shes covered in crystals and smells so nice. I'd love to just have this plant sittin out in the open to add fragrance to the room.

Shadows

10-10-2006, 08:33 AM

and here are some shots of the carbon filter..

The inner shell and outter shell are made of perforated metal and wrapped in (of all things) panty hose. I have used silicon based kitty litter for over a year now for odor control and supported it 100%. Now having a quality carbon setup, the difference is obvious. Theres nothing like entering a room with all those plants flowering away and not smelling a single one! I love it

Shadows

10-10-2006, 08:39 AM

Thanks Gorilla. It took me 8 hours to do 80% of the work, and Im still working on that last 20%, lol..

Hey CB, thanks for the visit. I dunno man, looking at that overall I'd still call it a micro grow, lol... but that is a rather vague term huh?

drumin

10-10-2006, 08:47 AM

Looks like you got it hooked up mang! Thanks for the pics. :gthumb:

smalltime

10-10-2006, 07:39 PM

Everything is looking healthy.
Good chatting with you this morning.

smalltime

Shadows

10-12-2006, 06:51 AM

Thanks Drumin

Hey smalltime, good to see you got your name back :D . Any crazy trips into the mountains planned soon?

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The past 2 days in the cabinet have been pretty uneventful generally speaking. Its odd that just recently Profound asked me about the RH in my closet and I said I dont moniter that anymore, which is true as there is not much I can do about it anyway. Well that night I popped into flower to see the WR#1 located within 3" of the tube was showing transpiration/wind burns. Kind of a double whammy, low RH in flower mixed with high light intensity (3" from a 250 is pretty friggen bright). What it caused was a hyperaccumilation of nutrients in those fans directly under the bulb and instead of tip burn, I got interveniel burns. That same night, she got a flush and the light was raised 1". Unfortunately, she will probably fall in another week so this flush wasnt so untimely. The flush was a rather ironic event, since the only place I had to set the pot was in the comode. And when I was done, I flushed.

As was mentioned in the last update, or is that the first???, the WR male was removed from flower and placed in veg. I got some saran wrap and twist ties and wrapped up both the main tips on him the next night. Lastnight I checked and still no open flowers, but no condensation in the bags either. I'll be picking up an aluminum water tight pill case tonight so when he does pop I've got a solid place to store it. When he finally pops, I'll take some photos of just how it was all wrapped up. I hope it works yall, I really dont want pollen all over the place.

In veg, both WRmale cuttings have begun growing in the vermiculite they were rooted in. Guess its time for a transplant. I only need 1, and I'll be keepin the smaller of the 2.

I believe things are about setup for something different. Tonight, the male will get transplanted, and I'll be taking 4 GS clones and 4 Affy clones, and as many WR1 clones I can. In 3-4 weeks they will be going into flower in a 3 gallon tub. If enough WR1 clones can be collected, it will only have the WR and GS in it, as they are VERY similar in growth characteristics and nutrient needs. Affy will possibly be a better pair with WR2 since neither ever seems to stop stretching. I'd like to stuff 8 plants in the 3 gallon and just a few days ago I removed 2 GS's that were done in a 1 gallon that yielded 3/4oz. There was alot of free soil in there and apart from over crowding I see no issues. Speak up if something comes to mind, huh?

Its time to mix up nutrients again too. Peters All Purpose is used in veg and Peters African Violet and Shultz cactus food are used in flower. Occasionally I like to add 100ppm of fulvic to my nutrients because the plants seem to respond faster, and they seem to be able to take more nutrients before burning. Cytokinin is also a very useful occassional add in. I get mixed results at best because some cultivars are more sensitive to it then others. Like affy who explodes after adding only 4 ml per gallon, to the GS that shuts down her apic at that stregnth.

Please note, the following is how I have interpreted how this system works within the plant. I dont have pretty scientifical words to support what Im saying. Consider it a smelting pot containing what I've read and what I've observed.
Cytokinin is a hormone, produced at the root zone. It works in conjunction with auxins such as IAA that are produced in the apic of the plant. There is a balance between these 2 and the plant will seek balance. The level of cytokinin produced tells the portion of the plant above soil how large its root system is and vise versa with the auxins. Their level tells the root system how large the portion of the plant above ground is.
When IAA is dominant, its telling the roots, "Hey Im a big plant up here and I need more roots to support me". As such, IAA is also a popular rooting hormone. The root system is signaled to grow more to increase its level of cyto to balance that of IAA.
When Cyto is dominant, its telling the upper portion " You got a big strong root system here, grow on!" . IAA is produced in the apic, the only way to increase its level is to produce more possible apics. Thus balancing out the ratio once again.
Maybe that will help explain why topping works. You remove the IAA producing portion of the plant and that sends the cyto ratio dominant, creating more apics. Its good to know we can still acheive the same effect without removing our most dominant growth point. Its also worthy to mention, cyto should be used as little as possible to get the desire result. I never use it more then 3 times on a single plant. Once after rooting, once 1 week before flowering and if desireable (on less stretchy plants) the last time in week 1 of flower.

If any of ya can find any fault in my reasoning above, please lemme know. If anybody has anything to add, do so.

later alll
NDS

Profound

10-12-2006, 08:29 AM

I don't have the big ole scentific words either Shadows......but DAMN if you don't have it nailed down now.

I enjoyed all of those pics too.....
Eveyone had good lighting and look very very healthy.
Imagine you with a 8x8x8 cab and 2 x 1000w digital setup MH/HPS.

The results :D Im impressed

drumin

10-12-2006, 08:40 AM

Hey Shad, thanks for all that info... It's funny that you would say you don't have "pretty scientifical words" (scientifical? :slap: ) but then your first sentence is "Cytokinin is a hormone, produced at the root zone. It works in conjunction with auxins such as IAA that are produced in the apic of the plant." Sound pretty scientifical to me... :bananna:

Hey, do you have pics of what your transpiration/wind burns look like?

Shadows

10-12-2006, 09:00 AM

Thanks Pro, glad ya found me. I'd have sent you a link but a retired man like yourself should have plenty of time to surf, lol.
and to be honest, I do not want more space, lol.... case in point, I rearranged plants in veg last night and immediatly thought, wow I've got room to start 4-5 seedlings.. Not this time.

Thats about as scientifical :D as I can get drumin. lol.. I hope that to some extent it makes sense and reads ok.
I dont have any pics now but I'll take a few tonight, hopefully the male has popped too.

***EDIT***
Hey profound, did you get a look at the filter? Thats the latest design for it. Im building a mini one today for a 4" computer fan that will total about 8" tall as a smoking filter for our bedroom. That coco carbon works awesome too man. I've not had such a clean smelling room with GS hanging and Affy flowering in forever.

vernonsupreme

10-12-2006, 03:19 PM

looking good mahn :thumbs:

those av's really took off eh?

smalltime

10-12-2006, 08:29 PM

Funny thing is I didn't think it sounded scientific. I guess that I have read enough about the growth hormones that are produced and what they cause to happen in MJ that to read about them anymore just sounds normal.

Glad to see that the breeding project is going better then the last time. Hope he busts his balls for you.

Your posts on cytokinin that I have read and you results that I have seen has convinced me. It will be a part of my rutine in the future.

smalltime

Shadows

10-13-2006, 09:32 AM

Hey vern, yeah man the AV's are doing great. To be honest I expected a bit more variance between them then I am seeing. Even a stem rubb reveals the same aroma. Now I wonder what 9 weeks from now will hold :D

Yeah smalltime, I've loved using cyto since the first time I did. Time to reup before all the tomato products are off the shelf at lowes. Green light makes it, usually right beside the blossom end rot and it comes in a small spray bottle. I did some spray test to see roughly how many squirts it took to get 4 ml, 7 squirts per ml was the average. I didnt mix any nutes lastnight, but will me spraying the top soil of the small cups 4-6 times with cyto to see if it works as well. that would be easier to control the dosage frequency, then adding it to my veg nutes, as that technique sometimes has 1 plant getting hit 3 times with cytos. Not a horrible thing, but not good either.
oops, rambled.....again

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Drumin, sorry I dont have those transpiration burn pics for you. I got a little side tracked making a smoking filter for the bedroom. Its a simple piece, but ended up taking me an hour to build and a couple of bong hits to test it in the bathroom. After it got the seal of approval from my wife entering the bathroom 5 min later and not smelling weed (and no she didnt do bong hits before, I needed working sinuses), I was about passed out.

What did get to do lastnight grow wise was minimal but will hopefully have a huge inpact on a harvest 9 weeks from now. What I did was put the last WR#3 into flower. She was a reveg and is of good size for flowering. She should push right along with the 2 AVs that just went in, and hopefully give me a total of around 3oz for the 3 plants. well, i hope anyways

As for the male, hes still pumping out pods but none have cracked open, however most are turned down, meaning it will be soon. Since he hasnt droped his load, I didnt mess with the cuttings at all. Didnt take any or transplant any.

The first run in the 3 gallon tub tho, looks like it may all be Golden Skush. I looked and out of the 3 GS veggers I have I can get 6-10 cuttins of various sizes. Affy and WR1 are just a bit behind tho and will need a boost before providing what I want.

herb

10-13-2006, 10:18 AM

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I don't know how I missed seeing this thread bro, :hmmmm:

but now that I have, I'm in.

Might even learn something from a smart guy like you. :D

herbie

Shadows

10-13-2006, 10:58 AM

Right on Herb. Whats an Herb garden without a Herb?

Profound

10-13-2006, 11:05 AM

As for the male, hes still pumping out pods but none have cracked open, however most are turned down, meaning it will be soon. Since he hasnt droped his load, I didnt mess with the cuttings at all. Didnt take any or transplant any.

I collected pollen with a square cut of black and white poly plastic with a slit from the edge to the middle and placed it around the stem.
This allowed for what's going to pop to fall onto the plastic.

I then folded the plastic to gather into a small glass vial.

Which way are you planning to collect the pollen ??

Shadows

10-13-2006, 11:35 AM

I collected pollen with a square cut of black and white poly plastic with a slit from the edge to the middle and placed it around the stem.
This allowed for what's going to pop to fall onto the plastic.

I then folded the plastic to gather into a small glass vial.

Which way are you planning to collect the pollen ??

I've tied the 2 branches down, so the plant looks like an umbrella on profile. Then took a piece of saran wrap and wrapped each branch up, covering the most developed flowers per branch. Tied the saran wrap up top, so it had a belly at the bottom, under the sacs.
When the sacs open, the pollen will collect in the belly. Thats about as far as I have it figured out. I bought some wax paper and, now that I read your way, will probably set it up like you did the B&W poly around the base. The good thing is, I've got 2 sides to collect from. So I get 1 chance to screw up.

The reason Im not just letting them drop in open air is contamination. I want the smallest chance possible of plants getting pollen, without me putting it on them directly. Thats been done in the old grow box, let a male pop in flower, and the results really pissed me off. The pollenation was over done on some plants and sporatic on others. An affy produced 150 seeds, in 1.25 oz of dried herb and a mystery blue beside it produced 25 seeds and 3/4oz. It was a 18x24 space 30"tall and I couldnt believe the distribution.

Profound

10-13-2006, 05:14 PM

tHEaNIMICnEEDLE

10-13-2006, 05:19 PM

yeeee

some ziplocky baggies usually work good for tyin down plants

Shadows

10-16-2006, 08:54 AM

I come to you all, a slight bit disappointed with things over the weekend. This was one loaded down with kids, 2 of which go to bed after 10pm which makes work damn near impossible, cause by 11 when I feel they are really good and asleep Im almost there myself. So it was meant that I kept things simple this weekend.
Making that much easier to do is the fact the WR male still has not released any pollen. Thats actually a good thing as Im seeing a fatal flaw with saran wrap that it sticks to itself to easily, especially when compared to how it sticks to anything else. Im afraid that collection will be rather dusty as I unstick the wrap from itself and pollen gets popped into the air. Hopefully though, he still hasnt dropped tonight and I will get the chance to change over to the zip lock bags.

The avalanche that went in first was propped up 8", then allowed to stretch past the bulb and the prop was removed. The 2 tallest head were then tied down to keep things even and within good lighting. I'd say it was to level the canopy out, but it wasnt, just a few ties on the 2. The second Av that went in also got a bit tied down, this one more for an even canopy, and she stayed on the prop she sits on now. Both ladies are looking very healthy and continue to stretch. Still not alot of hair formations, and that to some degree worries me.

WR#1 had to loose a branch lastnight. I'd love to say it was due to mold, or its own weight made it impossible for the plant to hold this one up, but in truth Im outta stash, lol.. She is also just starting to get into her pink panties so the chop time is getting closer.

WR#2 has been pushin my patience again as she stretched well into her 3rd week of flower, but the plus side to that is she fills in very well. Last tuesday I thought she was done, turns out I raised the circuline 2.5" since then. Still looking good and strong in her tiny pot.

Speaking of tiny pots, affy in the solo is outgrowing my expectations. So far I am beyond impressed with how she is doing. Showing some yellowing on older fan leaves because I've watered only the past 4 times, due to burning her, but it hasnt hurt to much. Her younger sister in a larger pot is coming along well too and has just come to the end of her stretch.

Theres also that final WR#3 in flower, timed with the second Avalanche. She was a revegged plant and is rather overgrown for her space in flower at this small age. Considering she will triple in size over the next 2 weeks I'd say shes gonna pose some issues.

Thats about all there is to comment on right now. If I dont get to involved in the football game tonight I'll have some photos for you tomorrow.

10-16-2006, 06:18 PM

look forward to the piccys....

couple questions

how long ya been grow'n the WR bro? found this strain to take a few years to stablize in my garden but real happy with it for a medi pain strain

and do you top feed or bottom feed in the solo's ? ... the ones i did i watered from the top but feed from the bottom

the one i did in 1 tablespoon of soil i just did all bottom as it was a joke to try it any other way lol

grow on

Shadows

10-17-2006, 08:19 AM

Lets run thru some flowering shots ehh??

Picture 1 is Avalanche #2, the second to enter flower. It used to be I just had marks on the door behind the plants. I've gone back and labeled them per height from the bottom of the door, which is 1-2" within most plant bases.

Picture 2 is WR#3 that went into flower with AV#2

Picture 3 is AV#1, the first to enter flower and a few days from ending her stretch.

Picture 4 is the affy that just went in. No where near as impressive as her sister, who we'll see in pictures 6&7

Picture 5, now this is a gift to a friend that gifted me seeds for these WR's. She'll be returned with her lower half full of seeds, lucky dog, lol..:)

Pictures 6 and 7 are showing the Affy in the solo cup. 7 shows her main bud a bit closer. Sure doesnt seem like the small cup is hurting her at all so far.

Pictures 8 and 9 are from WR#2. 8 is an overall, showing her just a bit over 32" in height and 9 is a shot of her tallest bud.

Picture 10 in this series is WR#1's remaining colas.

Shadows

10-17-2006, 08:35 AM

Heres a hodge podge of shots. Some I was just messing, trying for an interesting trich shot, others just looked good enough to post, lol...

1- WR#2, this is her second longest cola forming up
2- WR#1's main cola top
3- Close up of WR1
4- is a top down shot of the top on WR#1
5- I call this one trich city.
6- A picture of the Transpiration burns that showed on WR#1, that immediatly stopped after raising the light.
7, 8, 9 - are all pictures of the WR male with bagged up flowers. #7 shows him with the saran wrap on, as does #8 only alot more focus on the forming flowers. #9 is after I changed from the saran wrap to ziplock baggies. The baggies were ALOT easier to deal with.
10- a final shot of WR#1, this one of a lower bud. man I have fun with macros, lol

Shadows

10-17-2006, 08:53 AM

how long ya been grow'n the WR bro? found this strain to take a few years to stablize in my garden but real happy with it for a medi pain strain

These are White Rhinos from Nirvana. I started these up around April or early May this year from seed and this is their first clone runs. I have to agree, they are great for pain, but if you grew the rhinos, did any of yours taste like Blue Berry? all of mine do, or smell of it. Gotta love Nirvana genetics, lol.

and do you top feed or bottom feed in the solo's ? ... the ones i did i watered from the top but feed from the bottom

I top feed all my plants, including the solos. If I didnt make sure to totally saturate the soil each time on the solos by watering twice then there is no way shed make it 28hours without water. as it is, 24 hours later the lower leaves are beginning to wilt slightly.
I did try bottom feeding once and I found myself to lazy to execute it properly. First it was to much water in the saucer which led to root rot, then I didnt rinse the saucer often enough and nute burn took over. By the end of that I was top feeding to excessive run off and things went smoothly til the chop.

the one i did in 1 tablespoon of soil

that alone deserves a "You got balls bro" lol.

So for today, lets all hope that the WR male finally opens up some flowers and fills those condoms with his pollen. I'd like to get a first dusting on the WR1 in the solo cup soon, and do a second dusting a week later. WR#2 will also be getting some dust from this male.
When I do start the pollenations, I'll take some pictures of it all. Should be good fun, uhh yeah....
Thanks TAN. glad you could stop in bro/sis?? lol, no offence I just dont know, lol..

10-17-2006, 01:29 PM

probly missed the strain bro was think'n white russian soz.... that's my main stock that all my crosses come from.... more of a pine'y cictrus smell and taste.....

that blue solo plant looks great mang..... better than my ever have thats fer sure.... thumb threw my GJ for a few pic's if'n ya want...

them zip lock baggies look a tad moist on the inside or is that just the piccy like?

grow on

Shadows

10-17-2006, 02:15 PM

Hey CB, you caught me on the ziplocks.. the one on the left I blew into to inflate before baggin the flowers and that got it all moist in there. The right side tho, should be fairly dry as it was the second one done and I didnt blow in it.

You wanna add some Rhino to that stock? :D

I followed some of that one in the thimble of soil but yeah man, I'll have to do that. I like seeing how "the rules of growing" can bend.

canine

10-17-2006, 02:36 PM

Very nice!

http://www.homegrownbud.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=6337&d=1161094305

smalltime

10-17-2006, 09:03 PM

Everything looks awesome. That WR#1 is a sweet looking girl.
That is one lucky duck that is going to get that seeded weed.

Keep up the good work.

Looking forward to the breeding process.

smalltime

budz420

10-17-2006, 10:32 PM

awsome plants u got there

Shadows

10-19-2006, 12:02 PM

Back with some news, the male is finally droppin pollen on 1 side, the other looks another 2 days behind. Im waiting for bunch to open before collecting the bags, I hope that doesnt bite me in the end. But so far, seems its all being contained very well.

Flower is exploding right now. the 2 AVs and WR3 are taking over the place. AV1 is starting to cluster now, while 2 is still stretching strong and WR3 is just a medusa right now. Would I be to optimistic to say I expect 3.5 oz out of those 3 plants?

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Thanks Canine. That one is my favorite so far. I show her to Mrs Shadows every other night, while the rest she'll only see in the bowl.

Smalltime bro, the fun is about to begin. just need a paint brush and I'll be in the mix. WR#2 is first to get dusted, and I'll do that tonight with what I've gathered so far. The solo cup WR1 will get hers next week, then again a week later.

Hey budz, thanks. :D

vernonsupreme

10-19-2006, 07:17 PM

Flower is exploding right now. the 2 AVs and WR3 are taking over the place. AV1 is starting to cluster now, while 2 is still stretching strong and WR3 is just a medusa right now. Would I be to optimistic to say I expect 3.5 oz out of those 3 plants?

i would say you wouldn't be out of the ballpark on that guess.

smalltime

10-19-2006, 08:33 PM

So many familiar faces are showing up.
Good to see VS is following. :hello:

Glad to hear everything is going well and that the males busting his balls.
Looking forward to the next photo update.

Market is kicking ass.

smalltime

Shadows

10-20-2006, 06:28 AM

Hey vern, thanks for that man. Lookin in there at those 2 last night, I think you may be right. AV2 came off of her prop lastnight. As long as she doesnt stretch more then 5" I wont have to raise the light, which is good cause then I'd have to raise others. Ya know, I havnt even given them a stem rub yet to see how it smells. I can tell ya it doesnt stand out in the crowd.

I got to play a little lastnight Smalltime. Took the male into the bathroom and gave him a good shaking. Put a new bag on him and back in veg he went. Then I went and got WR2 female and placed her in the bathroom. While in the bathroom, I covered the floor vent and turned on the Fart fan hopefully so no pollen snuck out. With paint brush in hand I first brushed the hairs of the plant, to get the bristles sticky, then stuck it in the small amount of pollen that had been collected. I painted about 10 sucker buds and a lower developing bud and its branch. Then for good measures stuck that same branch in the pollen bag and shook it all together. 20 min alone in the bathroom with a fan on her then it was back to flower. Im glad I did this test run, theres a few things I'll have to change for the next go to be smooth.

A few days ago, I chopped a WR1 bud, leaving her with 1 main cola in flower, and it is just about done drying. I love the density and clustering on this stuff. A small bud will pack a few bowls. I trimmed of the bulk of fan leaves lastnight and should be able to manicure the bud tonight

Plans for the weekend...
Transplant rooted male clone and discard the other 2 males
Transplant the rooted Avalanche clones
Finally take a hand full of GS clones
Transplant WR#4, take 2 cuttings, and get her in flower
Transplant the largest of the GS clones
Prepare 3 gallon container for the mini bed grow **
Clean

** Have any of you done a bed grow? I've seen them where the grower placed some 2" pvc pipe with holes along the sides of it under the soil, with an elbow turned up and extended above soil level. This was supposed to allow the grower to do the bed, with no drainage. Or atleast thats how I understand its function. So do any of you know whats the purpose of them, and if I could use that same method on a smaller model?

Fing_57

10-20-2006, 11:42 AM

:watch:

http://www.homegrownbud.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=6390&stc=1&d=1161365195

http://www.homegrownbud.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=6391&stc=1&d=1161366097

Shadows

10-20-2006, 11:47 AM

now thats just crazy. lol

Fing_57

10-20-2006, 07:26 PM

and not real

lol ...... had to do it as a joke

was a male I had just pulled

I am try'n a seed in a pill bottle

10-20-2006, 08:25 PM

say shadows i have nothing to do with fings shadey post like :confused perhapes it was a smoke report or somit :shrug:

any how just wonder'n about the small cab and how the vent route is as in from intake to exit....

just seems like ya might have a bit of pollen move'n about in there with the male and flower room so close

been work'n real hard on my white russian strain but last 2 grows when i back crosed em i did the fans off and diff rooms like for 24 hours and still had alot of side drift which resulted in less bud for those two runs and alot of tossed seeds from other projects..

male's where about 150 feet away outside and the pollen wan brought inside and just enough to do 1 bud like....

did get some killer hash tho

well gonna ramble else where

Shadows

10-23-2006, 08:42 AM

You had me goin for a bit there fing. nice looking guy either way tho. Good luck on the pill bottle baby :D

cheapo, you make a good point and I do believe I am seeing just that, some slight contamination in flower.

For the vent, the intake is located in the bottom of the left side of the cabinet. Lower most portion of veg side. There is a 6" fan ducted to the opening. A 3x9 opening leads from this section to flower, and a 1"x23" opening leads up to veg (shaved 1" off of the shelves). All exhaust ties into the mechanical room, which is then exhausted thru the carbon filter. The 6" fan in the bottom is only energized with the flower light. I've never been able to track if air is robbed from veg once this fan cuts on, but its not obvious in a temp reading thats actually dropped since installing the fan.

I do appreciate the heads up and for the next pollen attempt, I think my attic box will have to be revisited, with atleast a 22w cfl on 12/12 strictly for males. A 10" male should last 6 or more days in 2 gallons of soil before needing water, especially with the temps the attic is seeing these days. If that way doesnt work, Im doomed to contamination with every open male pod. Well, I've got a good amount of pollen collected now and that 1 male dies tonight.

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Saturday night I started round one of the controlled pollination of WR#1. I started with the bottom most budlets forming and tried to get them all nice and covered. Sunday night hairs were already shriveling up and turning orange. Right now there is a good bit of pollen in the baggie, and I'll be spreading that out over those lower portions again, as well as AV#1 in flower. ya know if Im gonna play, may as well play..

I've really been terribly lazy in the grow the past week. Time to kick my ass in gear these next few days, or I'll be kicking my ass for not in another 2 months...

10-23-2006, 09:03 AM

Im doomed to contamination with every open male pod.

I have taken a male and cut about 6-8 inches off the top and stuck in a glass of water tilted sideways in the glass with wax paper under it and set it in a closest to finish....

works great and all that is need is water to make him finish....

just an idea :D

Shadows

10-23-2006, 11:30 AM

Thanks CB. The last time i tried to get pollen I took a flowering clone from a male and tried placing it in water and letting it pop. It was a combination of 2 things that screwed me up. 1- root rot set in before they openend because of (2) I have still not learned the timing of male flowers. Which has probably slowed my current attempt way down. Its ok tho, I got enough pollen now to make a few seeds until the next male is flowered out., or so I hope.

Since Im only using the 1 male, I'll assume any stray seeds are a bonus, lol.. but damn I hope its not to many.:(

Shadows

10-24-2006, 08:15 AM

So about 10pm lastnight I get in the cabinet, before starting I searched all over for the batteries to the camera with no luck. I found them this morning and got'em charging.

To bad I've procrastinated so much up til now that I couldnt hold off another night before doing some things. The male had opened no new flowers in 24 hours and he was chopped. The WR#1 was again pollinated on the lower portions, allowed 10 min alone, sprayed down and replaced in flower, which was sprayed heavily before she went in.
the other WR#1 thats been in flower came down last night and is hanging to dry.
The solo Affy is a few days into a flush cycle. she'll be chopped in a matter of days to be dry when WR1 is consumed. Then there is the wait until WR2 is ready. Which is still about 4 weeks. I can make a bud stretch, but not like that, lol... we'll see how it flows..
The avlanches are taking over 1 side of flower. The light will need to be raised as well to accomodate the height they wish to obtain. Theres high hopes for those 2 ladies, man have they bushed out.

Damn near everything else in flower is unchanged. If I dont have company tonight, I've got about 2 hours of work to do.. it'll be fun

vernonsupreme

10-24-2006, 10:20 AM

The avlanches are taking over 1 side of flower. The light will need to be raised as well to accomodate the height they wish to obtain. Theres high hopes for those 2 ladies, man have they bushed out.

glad to hear they are expanding whether you like it or not, haha.

what are those white rhinos like? I believe that is the pollen you were collecting that you put on the av 1.

i just did a big transplant and got all my lights hung, I am getting ready to throw the switch on about 4 strains.

I have 3 of the BB that are looking very nice, i'm interested to see how they flower out.

I might put some pics up in a few hours, just depends. I'm kinda turned off to the whole internet deal right now after all the shit that has gone on over there in the past couple weeks.

we'll see how i feel after i get some drywall hung :lol:

Shadows

10-25-2006, 09:52 AM

Hey vernon. The Rhinos, well, where to start. WR#1 has a very nice indica structure with a mixed buzz. WR#2 has a more sativa structure, with good density and again a good buzz. Both have a fruity berry taste to them. The WR male appears to be on the indica side of the line for dominancy and a stem rub reveals a slightly more pungeant aroma then either of the girls.
I tried a few lower shoots on the AV, but I was about out of pollen by then so we'll see if they take or not.

I hope for you man, that those BB's come out some what close to what I got from them. 2 very nice strains with a strong sativa buzz, but mixed on the bud structure. They get that loose, puffy type buds with medium density. Are your 3 looking roughly the same? or lots of variations?

I might put some pics up in a few hours, just depends. I'm kinda turned off to the whole internet deal right now after all the shit that has gone on over there in the past couple weeks.

yeah man, I hear you loud and clear. I had that same, fuk the net feeling a few weeks back. I dont have the same irritation inside that I left there with but still not happy with whats gone down. And for me, its as simple as a line in a thread by another member that referred to all non payers as free-loading fucks. The fact that admin never saw fit to edit that out only tells me that they agree with the statement. I tell ya, give 4 years to a website helping people out damn near every day, running constant journals to ensure I had fresh info out there, and Im a free-loader. Nope, sorry. I considered it my eviction notice.

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As for all things growing, I had that company I was expecting lastnight and nothing was done, once again. But thanks to that company I now have room for 2 more pots in veg and am down a GS and WR1 clone. Also got to listen to some damn fine Banjo picking, and its been years since I've heard one live. But yeah, had a damn fine time and smoked some killer green. Was a good night, even without closet work.

vernonsupreme

10-25-2006, 11:27 AM

The fact that admin never saw fit to edit that out only tells me that they agree with the statement.

edited for content by vs

oh well, back to green

i went to rig up my cool tubes this morning and cracked one of the damn tubes so i think i'll be running without them for a little while. I did notice that both the sfxbl and one luixhaze showed sacs already so i cut both of them. everything else is looking nice.

i love hearing some live bluegrass music, there are lots of places around here that you can go on the weekend and hear a good band or 2 picking away for a few hours.

smalltime

10-25-2006, 07:55 PM

Live music is tough to beat. Then you throw in good friends and smoke and you are living it up.

I am also getting annoyed with the ads. Doesn't make sense, the whole name change and staying away from seed sponsers was to help protect us. Now I would rather just be somewhere low key.

power is back.

smalltime

Fred Lemonjello

10-25-2006, 08:30 PM

vernonsupreme

10-25-2006, 08:58 PM

wasnt tryin to offend mahn, just making a point about how websites should be run :D

Shadows

10-26-2006, 06:01 AM

Fred Lemonjello

10-26-2006, 10:36 AM

Hey guys....before this gets outa hand here.... can we please Nip this in the Butt.
We like ta Smoke N Joke ( and grow) here at HGB.... not argue bout others.

THX alot everyone!!!
Now Lets get the Grow Show on!!!

Fred

Nothing getting out of hand. just a few like minded growers voiceing their opinions on an issue. I dont see the argueing, even in verns unedited post, you refer to. More like an expression of dislikes between friends about a site. BTW I dont even recall seeing the site we are discussing being referenced thus far, just some members there.

But, I'll back away from the soap box on the issue and in a few, shall be back with fresh photos about plants.

OK people maybe a further explaination of the comment from my unedited post is in order.
Now personally I do not get around to those other sites much, my home is HGB, and I could really care less what is going on at those other sites and with the members there!

By "getting out of hand"..... I am referring to those people that the comments were made about coming here to HGB to defend their actions (arguing)...... we do not want that at HGB! HGB is not a public forum for discussing issues about what others should have done or are doing at other places even if said site is not referenced to.
If people here at HGB wish to step onto a soap box to voice opinions about others please use the convenient Personal Messaging system or other means of Personal Communication to express their dislikes about those others to friends. Or hey... why not just make the comments directly to the site that is not referenced here or to those members that are mentioned.

To close this discussion... Yes I do know what is going on at the other site(s) from friends and our Personal Communications, and again, I could really care less how the owners, admins, and it's members take it upon themselfs to conduct "Business". We at HGB take pride in not being of the same calibur as them.

Thank you for your cooperation in helping to maintain HGB as the best grow site on the net that people of all life styles can come to and enjoy.

Fred

Shadows

10-26-2006, 11:25 AM

OK people maybe a further explaination of the comment from my unedited post is in order.
Now personally I do not get around to those other sites much, my home is HGB, and I could really care less what is going on at those other sites and with the members there!

By "getting out of hand"..... I am referring to those people that the comments were made about coming here to HGB to defend their actions (arguing)...... we do not want that at HGB! HGB is not a public forum for discussing issues about what others should have done or are doing at other places even if said site is not referenced to.
If people here at HGB wish to step onto a soap box to voice opinions about others please use the convenient Personal Messaging system or other means of Personal Communication to express their dislikes about those others to friends. Or hey... why not just make the comments directly to the site that is not referenced here or to those members that are mentioned.

To close this discussion... Yes I do know what is going on at the other site(s) from friends and our Personal Communications, and again, I could really care less how the owners, admins, and it's members take it upon themselfs to conduct "Business". We at HGB take pride in not being of the same calibur as them.

Thank you for your cooperation in helping to maintain HGB as the best grow site on the net that people of all life styles can come to and enjoy.

Fred

Yeah, gotcha. I'll be certain in the future to edit all opinionated information from my post

Fred Lemonjello

10-26-2006, 11:33 AM

Hey why edit when you jus dont havta offend to start off with?

Fred

Shadows

10-26-2006, 12:30 PM

WR#2 and Affy flower shots

Shadows

10-26-2006, 12:34 PM

1 & 2 = AV1
3 & 4 = AV2
5 & 6 = WR1 in flower
7 = WR1 thats dried
8 = WR#3

Shadows

10-26-2006, 12:38 PM

Hey why edit when you jus dont havta offend to start off with?

Fred

Just an FYI, my post was not designed to offend anyone. It was merely me getting something off my chest. As I said, I will not go there again. simple as that, atleast it should be.

Profound

10-26-2006, 11:11 PM

Just an FYI, my post was not designed to offend anyone. It was merely me getting something off my chest. As I said, I will not go there again. simple as that, atleast it should be.

:D :halol: :winneris: :confused
wicked pics as usual Shadows
Somebody pass the Absinthe and a joint :eek:

smalltime

10-27-2006, 04:45 PM

Well, isn't that just beautiful. That dried bud looks delicious. That WR#2 looks pretty nice too. As usual, everything looks like it is happy.

Keep rockin'
smalltime

Shadows

10-30-2006, 07:49 AM

Thanks Pro, smalltime. I've almost shot myself in the foot here. I had a good friend come by the other day and, being generous, I sent him off with my only WR1 girl plant, after I took a cutting. Well, in a rush I stuck that cutting in the 1 spot on my cloner that has had pythium previously and apparently replacing the vermiculite wasnt enough prevention. On the plus side, I have a back up plan and she is sitting in veg right now, REveggin. Lets say a little prayer that the reveg makes it.

Now, for seeds.... So far WR#2 is the only attempted pollination that is showing seeds forming. WR#1 has some shriveled up hairs around the area of my messin, but still not seeing any enlarged sacs. #2 tho, yeah its pretty obvious. Another thing thats pretty obvious is the lack of contamination I got. There is no other area on #2, besides the areas I painted, that are producing seed pods. Looks like my ventilation is doing its part in keeping 2 rooms 1/2" apart separated.

Affy in the solo came down Friday night. I was alot happier about the weight, before I saw how fast it dried up. As a comparison, WR#1 took 4 days before it was dry enough to stay lit in the bowl. This affy, took 2 nights. Tonight, I'll put the cheapo postal scales on her and see what she's amounted to. Im guessin, 10g. 12g tops...

Gr8Hit

10-30-2006, 10:41 PM

I can not begin to tell you how yummy those pics looked!
Looks like a great set up there and some great strains which I am sure are well deserved!

I will take the blue couch over there and lurk a bit ...maybe even learn something if I can set this pipe down!:D

Shadows

11-02-2006, 08:26 AM

Thanks Gr8, things are going fairly well here lately. Still slackin on getting some things done but will remedy that today some when I pick up some vermiculite and resterilze my clon-scicle maker. After that Im loading up with WR#2 clones and GS clones. Its about time I started working in there again.

I cut a bud off of the WR2 thats flowering now. Shes still covered in clear trichs and white hairs but damn does it smoke good. The first hit had instant results, and I mean sensation before exhaling the smoke. Very nice initial blast of tingly sensations across my forehead. Her seeds are still young and will need atleast 2 more weeks before they may be viable, 3 weeks would be nice.

The other night I put a Golden Skush in to flower, along with the other Baby Blue. They are both rather small but with the 2 gallon soil container with WR1 in it reveggin I need the space in veg. So out they went...

Well, time to get busy again. When there's a bit more time on my hands I'll get some pictures taken and up, but right now Im rather slammed at home and work, so who knows when that will open up some. Tonight I need to turn the worm bin, mix in some more goodies for them and swap out some more soil from indoor to outdoor. Incase you dont know, I have 3 different soil piles. 1 is what Im using, 2 is whats left after harvest and 3 is the worm mix outside. It cycles pretty easy, first I buy a new bag of soil. To that I add 3 gallons of the worm bin soil and some perlite/vermiculte. As plants are harvested, their old rootballs are tossed in a second 3 gallon container that goes out to the worm bin about once a month. A good flushin is essential tho. You dont want to toss soil rich in chemical nutrients in your worm bin, it can run off or kill your worms.

Shadows

11-06-2006, 10:12 AM

I've been watching the seeds form up on WR#2 and with each passing day, the only seeds Im seein are from the first dusting. As well on the WR#1 that I hit on the second try, no seeds forming.
I used the plastic baggie method both times for collecting pollen. For the first collection, I put the pollen on the pistols within 24hours of it dropping. For the second time, some pollen had been in there for 2+ days and then some within the 24 hour period. Between the 2 tries, this is the only deciding factor that could cause such poor results. I was too lazy in acting on the pollen, basically. For now on, with this technique, the pollen will go on as soon as it is noticed!

75% of that WR#2 has fallen and over half of that got processed thru the bowl this weekend. What gets me is this is damn good smoke, buzz last me 2+ hours, and we still managed to smoke almost a half oz in 2.5 days. The flavor this time is far above her trial from seed and even my wife stated "This is the most Blueberry-ish I've ever tasted your weed". Granted this is supposed to be White Rhino, I'll take the berry flavor anyday.

Lost 1 WR#2 cutting lastnight. She had only been a few days since being cut, but when the medium is wet and the clone is slumpped over, after being erect the following 2 days, its time to go. Another 2 days like that and whatever fungus that attacked her would be all over the place. MAN, Why the hell cant Vermiculite ALWAYS be in stock at Lowes and homedepot?? I know thats my issue right now, tainted rooting medium, but cannot find the crap. Even the H2O2 treatment of what I have seems to have been for nothing.

Right now, I have a 3 gallon container sittin under my bed. It is filled with a local nursaries own soil mix and I have been told it is somewhat on the hot side. It was a 7dry qt bag and to that I added 1qt of perlite. I would have done more, but I assume this mix is already good draining and dont want too much of a good thing, especially with no vermiculite to counteract it... This mix will be used as soon as this batch of clones root, which contains 2 GS, 2 WR#2, 2 Affy and 1 WR#4. Atleast 5 clones will go in the 3 gallon and I may even throw a screen over top of it once flowerin begins. We'll see how veg goes first tho.

Well, that be my weekend update.
Shadows

Shadows

11-07-2006, 07:18 AM

Last night I had a visit from the seed fairy. This time nice enough to drop off some Blue Widow beans, and some Hash Plant. 2 of those Hash Plant beans went directly into fresh soil and placed in veg.

Of course all that does is tighten veg up once again. Well not really right now, because there is still room for 3 more cups but in 5-7 days I'll have clones that need homes and, considering space restraints, will have to go into cups, instead of the 3 gallon container.

Ya'll remember the Affy in the solo cup? I didnt want to toss what wasnt harvested, so I put her back in veg. Here it is not quite 2 weeks since then and she is already going thru reveg. Flowering her the first time in the solo was a trip, I wonder if I can run her a second time from it as well? Hell it was an experiment last time, why not do it again? I should try some other strains too, see if the quick reveg is typical at that size. If nothing else it'll be fun and a little extra paddin for the stash jar.

WR#4 went into flower last night. Tough findin a spot for her to fit but the deed is done. She was looking pretty bad due to my carelessness... There was 3 feedings in a row done on her and it took a flush and a transplant to bring the new growth around. Nitrogen toxicity has got to be the deepest natural green I've ever seen. The leaves were a dark dark green, and due to the high N levels and PH drop in the soil, other nutrients were becoming deficient like P and K. Shes lost almost all of her lower leaves and only has a few fans left. BUT theres hope, the new growth has a more muted green look to it and the leaves have a healthier appearance.

Visible seeds in the WR2 buds still have that green hue to them, although brown is startin to show thru. 10-14 days and they should be ready.

smalltime

11-07-2006, 10:28 AM

So I'm guessing that the WR#1 that has been seeded is too far along to take a flowering clone from her. If not that might be another way to make sure that one keeps going.

NEW BEANS. Sounds like you lucked out. Blue widow? BBerry x WWidow?
MMMMMM Hash Plant.

Smoked some strawberry haze the other night. Never smelled or tasted buds that are so strawberry. Everything about it was strawberry. I would like to find a seed in that.

smalltime

Shadows

11-07-2006, 11:59 AM

I havnt lost WR1 yet, lol.. The reveg seems to be doing well, albeit slow and the flowering one didnt produce a secondary that would be clone-able. Also, I do not believe the flowering one took to the pollen, I have yet to see a seed pod on her where-as it was obvious 10 days later on WR2. So to the recipient of the WR1 bud, I'll send WR2 crosses for now. But, the gent that I sent home with the WR1 has already offered a clone in return if mine does not make it.

I dont know how I'd react with some strawberry tasting bud. I dont think shock would describe it. lol.. This berry stuff tho, man O, its good!

vernonsupreme

11-07-2006, 12:27 PM

oh yeah mahn, forgot to mention that I had 2 bb go male on me. I cloned the strongest looking one and will keep for backcrossing if I like the strain. I have 2 females that are looking very nice also.

smalltime

11-07-2006, 07:09 PM

I guess that wr1 is a strong girl. If she is resistant to pollenation, I wonder how she would be against mold.:D JK
Glad to know that BB is getting some more exposure too.

Keep up the hard work.

Maybe we could get some shots of the seed forming up.

smalltime

11-07-2006, 07:35 PM

say bro,

just don't understand why that pollen was bad like

if'n it didn't get wet it should be good for a few weeks like...

did the pistils die off in that 24 hour period?

usually 6-10 hours and i know the pollen took by them die''n off real fast...

never used the bag to collect like that why i said somit awhile back about rh in that pic inside the bag..

you think it might have got damp even after ya thought ya sorted it?

grow on bro

Shadows

11-08-2006, 09:55 AM

Hey vern, I just put my other BB into flower a couple of days ago and have one about to fall. I wouldnt consider the ones I had to be the best smoke I've had but the flavor and buzz were very good. Sorry to hear about that male, but if your gonna put him to use, best of luck to ya and dont use my pollen collection method, lmao..

Heya smallz, I can try and get some shots of those tonight. Right now my camera batteries are powering the TV remote, lol guess its obvious which one takes priority here lately huh? lol..
If it was just her resisting pollination it'd be one thing, but I truely believe I screw'd it up with my collection.

just don't understand why that pollen was bad like

if'n it didn't get wet it should be good for a few weeks like...

did the pistils die off in that 24 hour period?

yeah, 24 hours later I had wilted pistils on the sites I painted with pollen, but its been about 2 weeks now, I should have seen some seeds forming on her.. right?

never used the bag to collect like that why i said somit awhile back about rh in that pic inside the bag..

you think it might have got damp even after ya thought ya sorted it?

Earlier, the RH in the bag, to which you noticed, was from me blowing in it to inflate the thing. I was told by a grower that uses this technique that he keeps his lighting on 24/0 to prevent that condensation from building up.
There was 1 time after changin from saran wrap to the bags that I noticed condensation in the bag. I opened the bag up more and never saw any form again. All the pollen that fell, fell after that incident.

Could it be that the plant had been in veg long enough to go into reveg, and because of that the pollen became sterile? Its all new to me bro.
What really gets me tho is the earliest pollen to fall, that WR2 got pollinated with, all took. My method of collecting and applying didnt change at all.
Leads me to believe that either some moisture was present in the baggie, or the extended time in veg made the pollen sterile. other then that, I havnt a clue.....:(

11-08-2006, 04:15 PM

kinda lost me on the plant in veg to long that starts reveg bro....

but ya at 2 weeks ya should see seads... I think if'n the pistols died off ya might have some seed inside the bud ya cant see..... I have the happen from time to time

pretty sure none sterile pollen wont kill the pistols off but could be wrong there just what i have noticed...

allso havent had any probs when its 2-3 weeks old

now if ya like me and get all excited about sex then ya might have drooled on the bud with out know'n :rolleyes:

had real good luck up to 6 weeks on pollen just stored on the leaf it fell on

grow on

Shadows

11-09-2006, 07:08 AM

kinda lost me on the plant in veg to long that starts reveg bro....

The male I used was placed in flower to get the pods going, when they looked like they were starting to turn down I put that male in veg, to isolate him from the buds. But then he spent 2 weeks in veg before that last pollination was done and was showing reveg growth. I wouldnt think it would matter tho, pollen is pollen.... I did spritz her water, 15 min after brushing on pollen, but I did the same on WR2 and have seeds??

For now I'll assume the baggies were the issue. I believe it is time for me to fire up the attic box on 12/12, take a Rhino male clone and a WR2 and WR1 clone and put them all up there in it. Its getting pretty cold at night here so that may pose a problem, but I think I can make something work... Anybody ever made a 25w heater? Take a Metal coffee can and mount a 25w incandescent to the inside of the lid. Tape over the lid real good so no light passes thru then turn the light on. 25w aint a whole lot of heat, but its only trying to keep a 3cuft box over 50 deg during the day time, when my lights are off. It can also be made with a 75w bulb on a dimmer ;) .

Got the batteries a chargin for the camera and tonight is work night. Hopefully our newest arrivals , hash plant, will make an appearance by then. Im also havin a rough time with the clones, I may stick some straight in dirt unless I can find some vermiculite today. Somewhere in all that, among the other bits going on, there should be some camera time. which will be interesting, those 2 avalanche ladies have taken over flower!

later yall

vernonsupreme

11-09-2006, 05:51 PM

those 2 avalanche ladies have taken over flower!

is that a bad thing :D ?

i believe you are spot on with the moisture in the baggie conspiracy

Shadows

11-10-2006, 06:01 AM

hahaha, yes and no, lol.. They've both gotten pretty tall, 32", and have put me in a odd position. They simply tower over everything. Sorry, I once again do not have pictures to show what Im saying, but the 2 AVs top out about 6" above my HPS. All the other plants in flower have had to be propped up to compete for lighting, so its turned into a double edge sword. lol.. Each AV should produce .75oz or better for thier trouble, lol..

I had to take a closer look on WR#1 to see if any seeds were forming in the older sections of the buds. I couldnt find any seeds in the making, but I'll bet I pulled about 6 male flowers out of her. Yup, WR#1 is a hermie. She didnt show it from seed, but both of her clones did. So for that bro that got the 3rd WR1 clone, watch her after week 6!! Check between the bud and the stem.
To top it off, I think I have lost the WR1 reveg. Shes still alive but leaves are drying and gettin crinkly at a alarming rate. Tonight Im going to trim her root ball and transplant whats left. I think since I left so little plant it couldnt transpire the water rapidly enough, so now I have root rot seting in.

I also get to report that my 2 hash plant babies made their appearance lastnight. Even if it were just the rounded stem I saw, it means they've germed and are doing well. The hopes for these seeds, well heh, I'll take what I get. I'd like to get 1m/1f but I'll be plenty happy with 2 girls or 2 guys. Dont think they wont have a use, either way..

smalltime

11-10-2006, 10:42 AM

ARe the WR1's throwing bananana's, or full blown hermi?
Is it a stress induced hermi or do you think it is naturally occuring. I would think that it might be stress induced since the plant from seed didn't go both ways on you.
I'm currious if stress in the root zone could cause the plant to go. It is in a solo cup, could a root bound plant be stressed to the point of going hermi?

Interesting things are going on in your garden.

throw some karma towards those HP's.

smalltime

Shadows

11-10-2006, 11:28 AM

To be honest smalltime, I have no idea why she's throwin nanners, and it is nanners not full blown male pods. Maybe the small rootzone, but Affy has done that flower trial 3 times now, never producing a male bit. I did 4 Golden Skushs at once each in a solo, again no nanners. Also, the 1st wr1 clone that showed nanners was in 2.5-3 gallons. My take on it is genetics. Dont forget out of the 6 WRs I actually got from seed, 1 was a full blown hermie 1 was male and 4 females.

Either way, despite the buzz, hermie tendencies are not a desireable trait here in the shadows. Loosing her will be a great loss, because it is some amazing smoke but I've got WR2 and well I think Im in love, lol....

Shadows

11-15-2006, 11:39 AM

No new signs of hermie flowers on WR#1 and her trichs are only 75% cloudy. Flush cycle is underway and she is scheduled to fall in 1-2 weeks. I'll get a picture of her up in the next few days.

Both Hashy seeds have sprouted and are working on second set of serrated leaves. They are both in the new soil mix and their color looks great so far. coyts are still nice and green too. For their first feeding, I'll be using the Alaskan fish ferts 5-1-1.

5 clones went in soil lastnight, 2 WR2, 2 GS and 1 WR4. Also took 3 affy cuttings as the others didnt make it..

The WR#2 donor plant went into flower lastnight. Shes a little short, but Im really anticipating her 3x stretch. Trying to find the "right start size".

Looking to change my ways a little with the grow. Since I set up this new box I have not had any type of schedule. Its just been a steady go go go from day 1. The thing is, its not working very well. I find myself puttin plants in flower either to late or to early and not getting very good light coverage within my space. These have to change if Im ever to make this 250 a productive light.
So heres thought #1 that I've considered before and will be my first course of action here. I've got about 8 rectangular containers that hold 1 gallon of fluid each. Consistantly I get 1-1.25 oz from 1 of these containers with only minimal training. I'll be growing soil and will place a screen over top of these when they go to flower. During veg the plants will get trained so the screen will fill up during flower. I have to go scrog IMO tho as its the best way I know of to maintain an even canopy between multiple strains, that are all started at different times.
If this doesnt solve the current issues I'll change to a mono grow style and see if its possible to harvest enough to carry me thru 9 weeks of flower. I doubt it tho as we consume about an oz a week when we have it and the best I've seen a 250 do was 7oz in hydro.
After that, who knows?? The next plant to go into flower will go in under these new conditions. I think it'll be Affy ;)
About all I have for now... Sorry I dont have the drive I normally do behind a journal lately. They're really starting to feel like Im rewriting the same story over and over, only changed so it doesnt appear a duplicate. This new setup may spur something new tho, we'll see how she goes

vernonsupreme

11-15-2006, 11:46 AM

what ever happened to your water dreams there shadows?

Shadows

11-15-2006, 11:58 AM

As much as I'd love to do it, I've got other much more pressing issues to pump my money into right now. I've also got a deal with Mrs Shadows, if I do all I can in soil and still cant keep up with our use she wont bicker one bit about how much I spend to make the hydro conversion. So for now, its back to doing what I can with what I've got. I hate it, but will have to make it work.

Gr8Hit

11-15-2006, 01:43 PM

Sounds like you have things well in hand.... I have to head south of the mason Dixon line ...leaving today. I will be sure to be in touch in route. or at least let you and ms. shadows i am around for a little bit.

Beans are about on their way now and should arrive next week.
yummy flavors of goodness there! Whoo hoo!

Sorry about not posting pics on my GJ but things have been just a bit hectic 'round here....

Have a great weekend! :D

smalltime

11-15-2006, 10:00 PM

I think that the individual plant scrogs is a great idea. It will allow you to rotate plants in the space for lite coverage, and will make training a breeze. pullout a plant train it and back in. This is kinda like that 3 tub system we discussed one right side is plants that are done with the stretch. left side plants in training.

I think that this is going to be a good change to the system.

smalltime

Shadows

11-16-2006, 08:19 AM

Just a few budshots from WR#1 today. Lastnight I found 3 more male bananas coming out so she got chopped. I took about 15 pictures trying to capture a splitting seed pod on WR#2 when my batteries gave up the ghost. Still didnt get a good picture where the seed color came thru. I could but would have to open the pod myself ... not gonna happen.

Hey smalltime, I think I agree with ya man. seems the best use of space, plus it plays into other ideas I've had. Like stacking 2 1gallon buckets with a 2" space between them and hooking up a run to waste drip system. No pumps, just a gravity fed setup using coco medium. With the schedule Im aiming at, I'd only need 2 1 gallon res. for flower. It would still mean nightly top ups and draining of the catch basins but I already do 25 min of work a night in there, this setup wouldnt add to that at all once dialed in.
3 stages is much more desireable, but I got to look at ease and the big picture. 3 stages inflower means 3 res at different levels that need to be stored and maintained. I know I've got room for 2 1 gallon res, not sure on 3.

Gr8, bro you know how to reach me man! Hollar if ya got the time, that couch is always open.

Shadows

11-17-2006, 09:01 AM

Had to chop down AV#2 lastnight. She showed me her "other side" with authority. All these male flowers were found within 3" of a bud. All other buds on her were specked with yellow male ness.

on a brighter side, the first picture is my Hash Plant Babies:D

vernonsupreme

11-18-2006, 12:43 AM

Had to chop down AV#2 lastnight.

i'm about to take the whole lot of em and throw em in the dumpster, call doc chronic and order some fem seeds. I have never had this much bad luck with hermies in the 2+ years i've been working with this strain. I had to cut down another one the other night, so i'm down to 3 plants.

I will be doing a recirculating dwc grow asap. already have the buckets and hydrotron, just need the pump and plumbing.

Profound

11-18-2006, 03:05 PM

FUGGIN Hermies........I've only had one ever, but I can imagine the feeling.

Shadows

11-20-2006, 06:50 AM

what ever happened to your water dreams there shadows?

does Drip count as hydro if Im using coco and perlite as the medium? :D

they may just happen now

Hey man, sorry to hear you're having hermie issues also. It sucks to say the least. The AV's are wicked growers and so far AV#1 still has not shown any hermie tendencies. I've been smoking some off that one that was chopped (AV2). Very skunky aroma when burned, but I dont taste it in the hit. Buzz is kinda light and never really comes on fully, but this girl only had about 5 weeks of flower. AV1 will be coming down soon too, for 2 reasons. 1 I'll be outta smoke and 2) all my plants in flower are propped up except AV1. They are all propped up because AV1 is so tall and makes it necessary. By jerkin her ass out of flower I can drop the light and have my girls on more stable platforms.

If you havnt caught my thread in the hydro section, Im experimenting with a drip setup. Right now Im pretty happy with it. We'll see how another week treats things..

Hey profound, comes with the teritory huh? No biggie tho, we'll take this in stride and be more prepared for the next time. Just remember when you look at them pretty buds, Green, White, Purple and Pink are all acceptable colors to see, Yellow is a NONO, lol..

Gr8Hit

11-20-2006, 08:59 PM

Hey there... man i tell you there was no time to head south. Miss Gr8 was with and the family stuff was very overwhelming to deal with but everything went smooth as clockwork. Sometimes patience (or the "P" tool can work in life as well as a grow!) Though I still have some more trips to make I am trying to find time in the next month or so to juggle work and the time to head down again. When it eases up a bit the drive will be easier to make.

HP looks about the same as the 2 I have goin. Nice work my friend!

When more strains come in I will be sure to let you know. Should be any day now but I will believe it when I have it in hand.

Dude sorry about your hermie experiences. I will be sure to look out for the WR to do this in flower and check often for it.

Shadows

11-21-2006, 08:17 AM

Hey gr8, no problemo bro. I knew you had stuff going on while in town. Its all good. I hope your drives have been safe ones man, I know you've put some miles under youself in the past month. Take a break, enjoy stayin home for a week at a time, lol..

Well, if ya've happened by my drip thread then you know what Im up to. I've got a few more pictures to go with the most recent setup and a few of the plants that are using this drip rig ATM. So far Im beyond pleased with it. 2 plants have been on it since friday, 1 was added saturday and Im lovin every minute it so far. Some specs on what Im using right now for the temporary setup.

Res is 3 gallons
1/4" air line tubing come from res and picks up 3 drip heads
Its a gravity fed setup on a constant drip cycle
Drip flow over the last 24 hours was .5 gallons. Speed of drip increases or decreases in relation to res fill level.
The 3 plants on this setup are using regular potting soil as the medium with 25% perlite added.

The first 2 plants on the drip rig were Afghani and Golden Skush and that was on Friday night
Affy
http://www.homegrownbud.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=6908&stc=1&d=1164121564
GS
http://www.homegrownbud.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=6909&stc=1&d=1164121564

The third plant to go on the system was WR#2
http://www.homegrownbud.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=6910&stc=1&d=1164121564

Heres the base of the 3 of them with the drippers installed and running
http://www.homegrownbud.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=6911&stc=1&d=1164121564

So I mentioned that the AV#1 was much much taller then the rest of my flowering plants, some by as much as 18" This creates a few canopy issues, but another issue it creates is the offset between the res and the containers.
I've got about 6" of fall between the 2 and it does not create alot of pressure. once the res drops below 1 gallon of water the flow has almost stopped. If the av were gone, the other plants would drop to the bottom of the cabinet giving me another 8" of fall and more pressure on the line.
Heres the current offset
http://www.homegrownbud.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=6907&stc=1&d=1164121564

The last photo in this series is the Slow Hash Plant babies. I should start one in my usual potting soil to see if the growth is more vigerous or if its just typical for these beans...

anyway, thats me today
have a good one ya'll

smalltime

11-21-2006, 07:55 PM

That drip system might finally give you the results that you really want out of those Solo Cups. Constant supply of nutrients Those plants will probably give you more then any other solo cup has. That is my prediction.

Good chatting with you today. Check you PM's

smalltime

herb

11-22-2006, 08:19 AM

Haven't I seen that shifty eyed feline around somewhere? :ciao:

Kepp an eye on him. :cool:

herby

Shadows

11-27-2006, 07:52 AM

Thanks smalltime and Herb. Wish there was more to say on the grow today but after the 4 day weekend things still look pretty damn good.

The 3 plants on the drippers are doing very well for having wet feet for the past 10 or so days. I am still awaiting the ugly eye of overwatering or root rot to show up, but as of yet Im only seeing healthy growth.
Last night their res was setup as follows..
3/4 tsp Peters African Violet mix
1/2 tsp Epsom salts
1/4 tsp Peters all purpose
2.5ml of CaCl
This was mixed with 2 gallons of water.
I like having the 3 gallon capacity and knowing that as little as 2.5 ml of CaCl per that 3 gallons is sufficient for the plants. Adding the 1/2tsp epsom salts, I didnt have a single fear of nutrients precipitating out of mixture.

As of now, the WR#2 has slowed her stretch down considerably and is pushing out hairs at every node. Her youngest growth up top is within 3" of the cool tube and getting a 'bleached' look out of it. Not really turning white, but a much limer green. I moved the light up 2" on friday, I'll have to take it up again tonight.

The Afghani reveg in the solo cup doesnt look like she'll push the limits of her last harvest of just a bit over 1/4oz, but she does look likely to tie that (depending on the drip success). She is still stretching and should catch up with WR#2 in a few days.

Golden Skush dripper is coming along also. I'd say at this time she is growing pretty typical to what I normally see. I've been underfeeding this drip table as you know, cause Im scared of over doing it, and her growth shows this the most. Not that she is stunted, but next to the WR and Affy her color is much lighter. Still looks like she'll provide me a nice harvest.

Today I go hunting. I need to find a container, 18" x 22" able to hold 10 gallons of water. I will also need some 1/2" pvc fittings and pipe so that tonight or tomorrow night I can get side one of the irrigation system setup. What I'll be doing is cutting a hole in the shelf that holds the 3 gallon res, centered to the res. The hole will be slotted 6" so the container can be slide in and out fairly easy to be refilled or drained. In the bottom of the res, 1/2" pipe will stub out to a hose connection. Flexible garden hose, or similar, will be used between the res and the PVC line in flower so shifting the res will not shift the entire line.
As this irrigation line enters the flower room it will elbow down to a tee. 1/2" pvc will be installed along the wall (front to back) and drip lines will tap off of that.

I've got a kind of blind hope that increasing my supply line to 1/2" will also increase the head pressure I get. Considering I've only got 6" of fall right now, I need all the head I can get:D :rolleyes: . As it is, if I set the res to 2.5 gallons and the drippers to 1 click past off, the next day the dripper heads will be dry and the res capacity down .25 gallons. Turn them up to 2 clicks and I'll get .5 gallons thru in the next 24hour cycle. At 4 clicks and up, the entire 3 gallon res empties in 24 hours. So Im also hoping for some uniformity in day to day drippings. This is where a pump would solve some issues for me, but I think I'll be Otay for now..

Other notables, lastnight a WR2 and WR4 rooted clone went into the perlite coco mix. So far, that mix NEEDs water every 24 hours and the plants arent even rooted in. I could increase the coco % but when I go to a steady drip would that be an issue?

The 2 Hash plant seedlings have lost their seed leaves telling me its time for a light feeding. They got a splash of AFF 5-1-1 lastweek, but nothing since. I thought this new soil was "Hot", or so I was told... Odd to see them needin food this quick considering that, but they took a liking to it soo, let'm grow.

I've got a third baby to report on, this is one of my own... a WRX Im calling her, subaru can kiss my ass, lol... This hopeful lady is a cross between WR#2 and WRmale and sprouted 3 days after being put in soil. WR#2 is a strong 50/50 mix. She stretches like a proud sativa and clusters up like one too, but her density and buzz are much more like an indica. WRmale responds to flower well, has indica structured leaves and a nice fruity smell when the stem is rubbed. What do I hope this cross brings? hell I dont care as long as its potent, lol... Im not a breeder, Im a crosser, lol...

Anybody who caught that WR#1 was a hermie saw where I said I was cutting the strain loose.. I lied, sorta.. The WR#1 that was recently harvested in the solo cup was put in veg to see if I'd get lucky. Doesnt matter either way, Im more curious to see if this one will reveg, while the first one did not.

ok, tired of typing now. theres more to say, but I hate to bore with my ramblings and random trains of thought..

So for those of short attention spans, Everything's Peachy

smalltime

11-27-2006, 04:52 PM

WRX, That is good.
This subaru driver approves. I love my SUBARU. Best vehicle that I have ever owned.

Looking forward to seeing more from these rhinos.

As for your feeding schedule with the drippers. I think that you need to push your nutes a little bit. Figure out where you will start to get nute burn on the first plant, then back it off a smidgen. This way you are pushing the most nutes to these plants as the most nute sensative one will take.

As far as the clones not being rooted in, I don't think it will matter too much. They are going to get a big enough root system to match the plant above. The drippers are going to provide with a steady supply of nutes, the plants will try to get as big as they can. Should be fun to watch.

smalltime

Shadows

11-30-2006, 07:12 AM

Time to walk thru the dripping ladies.
The first picture shows the 3 of them, side by side out of the cabinet. Looking at them like this is alot easier then trying to show you what space they occupy in the cabinet. Just know that door is 24" wide, and my cabinet is only 18" deep. They are just a little on top of each other in there.

Pictures 2,3,4 and 5 are all of WR#2. You'll see I have a little leaf curl going on. I've always considered a leaf edge curl like this a symptom of -MG. I would think that fits here pretty well because of the constant moisture of the medium. Mg leaches from soil very easily. This past res setup included 1 tsp of epsom salts for 2 gallons of water. Also appears to be a -K coming in lower on the plant, but I just boosted the flower nutes, hopefully that will stop its progression. I dont have any K suppliment.

Picture 6 and 7 are the Afghani. She must really like that solo cup, lol. Shes been in it, and only it, for 6 months now and been flowered and harvested once too. Nice and healthy growth on her, top to bottom.

8, 9 and 10 are the Golden Skush. Lookin back, she was just around 6" tall and now shes just a tad over 12", but her density looks good and GS is no slouch in the bud department. that last shot was just a WTF. I like it tho.

Shadows

11-30-2006, 09:26 AM

The first picture in this set is the new baby, WRX. aint she cute??

Following that are the Hash plant babies. They've had 1 light 5-1-1 fish fert feeding and water only since then. Still a little slow, but I just put new bulbs in on veg side, should help out a bit.

Gr8Hit

11-30-2006, 09:32 AM

Yesterday's pics I forgot to post
1st- is of Hash Plant #1 and #2.
2nd- is of Blue Widow #1 through #4.

All 6 got new homes yesterday morning--- now I know the pots "seem" a little big but I opted for this size after seeing the wonderful root systems these little one's have. The ONLY thing they have received was RO water so far.
Tonight they get fed-

Will post more pics of Redlight later--- there are 4 babies that are taking off!
Very vigorious strain there!!!:D

Shadows

11-30-2006, 09:55 AM

Man, I tell ya what... Im glad Gr8, smalltime, herb and vern stop in here from time to time. Otherwise this journal might as well be closed...

so, thanks you 4 for the support and visits.

Smalltime, I'd like to up the nutes to full stregnth but until they show me that Im not feeding them right there is no need. GS never gets a deep dark green and I think if I tried to reach that point, the other 2 would go toxic. Its also a bit easier to correct an underfeeding issue then it is an overfeeding issue.

Hey Herb, are you any kin to the dog whisperer? Since you said watch the kitty, she has turned over a pot of soil twice, almost took a piss in my coco/perlite mix (she learnd to fly for that one) and has gotten locked in the cabinet by mistake. damn cat, lol....

Gr8Hit

11-30-2006, 10:11 AM

Here Kitty kitty kitty!!! LOL
Hey what ever happened to that dinosaur?
I think I will have to get another mascott for this grow i have!

Gr8Hit

11-30-2006, 10:16 AM

Since you said watch the kitty, she has turned over a pot of soil twice, almost took a piss in my coco/perlite mix (she learnd to fly for that one) and has gotten locked in the cabinet by mistake. damn cat, lol....

OMG I am dying from laughter over here!!! Locked up!!! HEHE hey if we found that fuballs could HELP the grow we would have ~~~^..^~~~ locked in cabnets all over the world! Can not forget the kitty pot ---catnip plat we would have to add though!!!

Nice looking plants there! Gettin big in those little containers! I really think the drip that you are working with---looks like they have taken some dramtic strides--- don't cha think?

WilliamClarkeQuantrill

11-30-2006, 10:57 AM

Hey ND,

Plants are looking real good! I've never given the leaf claw= -Mg much merit. Have they gotten much NH4 ammonium? I'd look into +NH4, which I guess could cause -Mg. Either way switching to flower ferts and supplimenting with the MgSO4 should remedy it.

Looks like your sprout is a couple days ahead of mine. Keep it green side up. :smokin:

Shadows

11-30-2006, 12:25 PM

This is my Flowering fert, they've had 2 light feedings with
Total Nitrogen (N)....................................... 12%
3.39% Ammoniacal Nitrogen
0.94% Nitrate Nitrogen
7.6% Urea Nitrogen
Available Phosphate (P2O5)....................... 36%
Soluble Potash (K2O)................................. 14%
Boron(B).......................................... ........... 0.02%
Copper (Cu).............................................. .. 0.05%
0.05% Chelated Copper (Cu)
Iron (Fe).............................................. ........ 0.10%
0.10% Chelated Iron (Fe)
Manganese (Mn)......................................... 0.05%
0.05% Chelated Manganese (Mn)
Molybdenum (Mo)....................................... 0.0009%
Zinc (Zn).............................................. ........ 0.05%
0.05% Chelated Zinc (Zn)

And for Veg I use Peters Professional Foilage 24-8-16 and all I can find is a PDF that I cannot cut and paste from.
heres the link to that http://www.scottsprohort.com/_documents/WSF/PetersProfessional/H4071.pdf

but according to that I only have 5.35 of that Ammoniacal Nitrogen

*** EDIT***
I swore that the peters african violet mix I use has no urea. After posting this up, which shows urea in the make up, I've read some product reviews and even checked what I have at home, and all of that says No Urea. I dunno why this is the only nutritional info I could find, but its what I found.

WilliamClarkeQuantrill

11-30-2006, 01:11 PM

Dag-gum! You really are doing great dealing with all the urea and amonium! Much respect! :smokin:

I know you have heard it before, but urea really has no place in container grown plants . And since ammonium,NH4+, is a cation it is going to compete with Mg+ and all the other essential cation elements for uptake. Plus when ever the plant takes up the NH4+ it kicks back H+++ into the soil solution, which can cause mucho pH drop. Nitrate, NO3, is an anion so it doesn't have these problems, I like at least a 2:1 ratio of NO3 to NH4. :smokin:

Shadows

11-30-2006, 02:40 PM

Thanks WCQ, that clears up alot for me with alot of other issues I just could not figure out.

This whole anion/cation thing always baffles me. Is there a compiled list you may have that would say what nutrients are what? Cause I cannot do it from memory.

You'll also note that I have not hit them girls full stregnth yet with ferts.. maybe thats why its not worse??

lol, thanks again bro.
NDS

WilliamClarkeQuantrill

11-30-2006, 03:17 PM

The Six Mineral Essential Elements
and Their Form Taken Up by Plants Through Their Roots

Element - Symbol - Ionic Form

cations:

Ammonium - NH4 - NH4+
Calcium - Ca - Ca++
Potassium - K - K+
Magnesium - Mg - Mg++

antagonising non-essential
cations:
Sodium - Na - Na+
Aluminum - Al - Al+++

anions:

Nitrate - NO3 - NO3-
Phosphorus - P - H2PO4-; HPO4--
Sulfur - S - SO4--

Here is where I stole that table from, you might bookmark (http://www.maximumyield.com/article302.htm) it.

gorilla

11-30-2006, 03:49 PM

I can't believe how big and strong those plants are doing in the solo cups, shadows. It just hit me how impressive that is. :D

Sorry for not posting much in your journal here. I think.. it's laziness. Half the time you write so much, I don't want to reply like a moron. .. Maybe i'm just making up (literally) excuses for myself? In any sense, i'll stop in more often.

Peace. :cool:
-G

Profound

11-30-2006, 06:27 PM

Just look at you ole Buddy....dayyum...dripper system.

ALL I can say is I'm gonna watch.....because my input in waterworld....HA !!!

I can tell you is this, Coco, perlite.....yea....hydro. :D Like you didn't know.

....but seriously .....I like what I see in the pics....Hash Plant is gonna fix the problem, but that's weeks from now.
I want to see you really make that drip system happen and if I can help in anyway....you know where I am.

KEEP THOSE PICS COMIN TOO !!! :buttshake

Shadows

12-01-2006, 09:11 AM

WCQ, you the man. Thanks a ton for that link. Bookmarked and saved for offline viewing :D . I'll be hitting up wikipedia too for more understanding of cations and anions. I may even learn something!

Hey gorilla, its ok man. I looked around the site yesterday at some of the other journals and it seems journals arent really a hot spot here. I also understand my posts get a little leggy at times. That I cant help, once I hit a train of thought I ride it till the end. Thats as much for my benefit as others tho, if you know what Im thinkin you'll understand my actions.
guess I was just being a bitch:p lol

Profound, buddy wassup? Know what I did lastnight?? I sat down in the living room with a large stanley blower fan and a few screwdrivers and dismantled it. right down to bare bones. I'm impressed with the build of this. Very heavy duty motor and strong flow even against back pressure. But it got cleaned out 100% lastnight. Fired it back up and man O'.. it just barely fits in my mechanical room. ducting it will be an intersting task, but it will be done this weekend! I've also got a Fan speed control that will be installed inline. Nothing like total control of airflow right?

Im excited. I've got alot of work to do this weekend and its all improvements/upgrades. All the plant work for the week is done.

yup, done... In the past 8 days, I've transplanted 8 rooted clones from vermiculite to either soil or coco/perlite, transplanted 3 veggin plants and put one of them in flower in a 2 gallon pot, after allowin a water cycle for rooting. I've got NO room in veg for additional plants so I'll sit and wait for the next 3-4 plants to be ready to flower, then dripper #2 gets running. By christmas I hope to be 75% converted over to drip..

vernonsupreme

12-01-2006, 10:55 AM

I looked around the site yesterday at some of the other journals and it seems journals arent really a hot spot here.

i do journals more for my own benefit than anyone else, that way when i screw up i dont' have to try and remember what it was that i did :D

maybe they will get more involved now that some other member are coming over here that are used to them

Shadows

12-01-2006, 11:38 AM

i do journals more for my own benefit than anyone else, that way when i screw up i dont' have to try and remember what it was that i did :D

maybe they will get more involved now that some other member are coming over here that are used to them
Hmm, reading that again I sound like an attention junkie, gimmie gimmie :), but honestly, I like to know my journals are helping others as much as they are me. Its all about learning.

Im curious, any Stanley blower users on here? Do you think its possible to take 6" aluminum flexible duct and form it around the outlet? I dont know the outlet dimensions right off, so cant do the math.

vernonsupreme

12-01-2006, 11:52 AM

funny you should say that, i sliced my thumb open last night pretty bad trying to cut some aluminum duct to attach to my stanley blower.

with a little duct tape anything is possible

and i wasn't calling you an attention whore there mang, i'll admit it makes me feel proud of my grow when people compliment me on it, no matter how horrible i think it looks.

Shadows

12-01-2006, 12:30 PM

funny you should say that, i sliced my thumb open last night pretty bad trying to cut some aluminum duct to attach to my stanley blower.

with a little duct tape anything is possible

Even a quick band-aid huh? lol... I still keep a roll of electrical tape in my tool box. I've never had a normal band-aid work better, lol..

its cool bro, wasnt trying to imply that, just reading it back I sounded that way.

so hey man, wife and I are considering taking a few days off next april and gettin a cabin up in the hills. thinking April 18-22.

Elephunt man

12-01-2006, 03:19 PM

Just had to pop in and say I have never seen so much fit in a c22, much less look so good. With a couple chairs and a bunk, you could rent that out to a family here in socal:D !

Profound

12-04-2006, 08:37 AM

Just had to pop in and say I have never seen so much fit in a c22, much less look so good. With a couple chairs and a bunk, you could rent that out to a family here in socal:D !

It is amazing how good Shadow's plant look isn't it.
You hear so many stories about plants won't do this with that and that with this.

They need extra this and that.....all it takes is a keen eye of a leaf reader

I think Shadows qualifies......plus it is wicked how he fits the entire grow shop into a C-22 :eek: :D

Shadows

12-04-2006, 09:30 AM

Its been a little bit since I took some veg pictures. So the first 2 here are of veg. The cup that is sittin on others is holding the WRX baby.

Pictures 3 and on cover the flowering girls on the dripper. 3+ weeks of constant soil moisture and no root rot issues to speak of. In order of appearance it is
WR2
WR2
GS
GS
Affy

Shadows

12-04-2006, 09:44 AM

This weekend I had some work to do, which will hopefully lead to other work to do. Right now, Im just waitin on approval from Mrs Shadows of what I've done so far. Interested??

Picture 1 shows the project we are still awaiting final approval on. I've still got some air noise issues to deal with tho.
The fan had to be installed with the 6" flex attached to it already. Not an easy task since this was aluminum flex instead of the nylon type. But after about 30 min of cutting and trying and cutting and trying it went in, with out much room to spare.

After that was done and out of the way it was time to tackle the drip lines. I dont know why I didnt cut both shelf slots while I was there, I just didnt, but I did get 1 side set up and tested out. I'll be swapping over the current drippers to the new reservoir as soon as they have used whats in there.
Pictures 2 and 3 show the Res shelf, and the notch cut for one side
Picture 4 shows the air vent I mentioned this needing. It will work for me 2 fold. Since it goes up higher then the res itself it also makes for a handy res level gauge. I only need to mark full and empty points on the cabinet.

So thats what happened in the shadows this weekend. work work and more work. But a big THANKS goes out the Brother that helped me out with that Stanley blower.

Oh, need to update the temps fer yall also.. Before the Stanley blower flower temps stayed over 86 deg and veg was almost 88 or better. With the Stanley flower has dropped (dramatically) to 76 and veg is down to 72-74 degrees.

IF I get approval on this current config, I'll be putting a 150hps over on Veg side and pulling the CFLs

Shadows

12-04-2006, 10:32 AM

ok, I've posted 7 times today, just to get those 2 up. There's supposed to be a third as well, but Im done trying, maybe I'll retype it if this one takes..

WilliamClarkeQuantrill

12-04-2006, 10:53 AM

maybe I'll retype it if this one takes..

looks like it took twice, you better get that third up. :smokin:

12-04-2006, 11:08 AM

ok, I've posted 7 times today, just to get those 2 up. There's supposed to be a third as well, but Im done trying, maybe I'll retype it if this one takes..

sorry about that Shadows, try'n to sort the issues as fast and as best I can with the server:mad:

If the forum looks like it might hang try Ctrl-c and stick ya post in notepad maybe... I have done that a couple times..

just keep geting weird load spikes and dont know why for sure...

grow on

Shadows

12-04-2006, 11:13 AM

My bad too CB. I know you got shit going on outside of your control. I think I'll get a better post time too if I use the quick reply instead of the advanced one. Lets see how this one goes..

Shadows

12-05-2006, 07:56 AM

hahaha, damn.. :o what, no egg on face smiley? lol...

Eman, for me the C22 is a world away. Amazing how opening 2 doors can take you so far away. Here lately with the drip system doing its thing, opening the doors has been a real treat. Im immediatly sucked in, no longer at home, Im in the garden.

Pro, I wish my leaf readin were where it could be. Thanks to WCQ a little better understanding of nutrient interactions is takin place, but Im still compiling questions for clarification for him. oh damn, hope that didnt run the guy off.

Well, its official. The new fan has passed its noise test and will be staying where it is. I will however be connecting a quick disconnect to the line feeding my closet. Never know when I'll need total quiet and thats the only way its possible.

Lastnight, Dripper Res B (will be the late stage flower res) was filled with 2 gallons of water containing 1-1/2 tsp Peters african violet mix and 3 ml of CaCl. The 3 drip lines were connected to the supply and full and empty marks placed on th