Grow God Damn It!!!! [Archive]

Cranky

07-15-2006, 09:12 AM

OK peeps....lets go back to what i now works best;) as some of yas know Ive had a few probs the last few grows so Ive gone back to what works best for me....bio bizz all the way:D

so,straight to it.....
seeds
master kush x chroinc
unknown sativa (westside;) )
cluster fuck
b52 x pure power plant

lighting is 3 x 4ft flouro strip lights at 38w each(may add an envirolite by the end of next week)

cab size 3.5ft x 3.5ft x 6ft

for flower ill use a 400whps.

I'm using all bio bizz products apart from the 100%organic peat based soil i used to start them off in.

i also have 2 bubbler's (blueberry) on the go that i may update every now and again.

so as for the seeds.....i germ-ed them in a glass of water for 24 hours and then put um in the peat based soil(few seeds per pot) and then when all had sprouted i put them into their own pots with almix soil.

http://www.homegrownbud.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=4933&stc=1&d=1152975140 http://www.homegrownbud.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=4932&stc=1&d=1152975140

http://www.homegrownbud.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=4934&stc=1&d=1152975140 http://www.homegrownbud.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=4935&stc=1&d=1152975140

heres a pic of the bubblers...ive trimmed um back abit and toped all branches;) had a few probs with roots when i got um but theres plenty of new growth coming through.had um a week now and alls looking cool.
ppms are 750,Ph 5.9 and res temps at 22-25.

using abit of everything on them.just ask if yas wants to know like...i wont go on about the hydro so much as this is mainly a soil grow and i dont want to keep 2 journals on the go if you know what i mean;)

http://www.homegrownbud.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=4951&stc=1&d=1152975673 http://www.homegrownbud.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=4952&stc=1&d=1152975673

i also took 9 cuttings off the blueberry and have had them rooting for about 5 days now in 50%peat based soil and 50% al mix...im just using a plastic tub with a bit of glass taken from an shitty piccy frame(no dome so this was next best thing;) )wont be long now me thinks:)

http://www.homegrownbud.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=4961&stc=1&d=1152975983 http://www.homegrownbud.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=4962&stc=1&d=1152975983

i got some of those plastic bag/pots to try so I'm gonna whack the clones in them and in there they will stay for the whole grow.i think there about 8 ltr in size.

http://www.homegrownbud.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=4963&stc=1&d=1152975983

well..thats it for now peeps...catch yas all laters:D

take care all

cranky

Fred Lemonjello

07-15-2006, 09:29 AM

Been busy I see... excellent Brutha!!!!!

Fred

StoninStanley

07-15-2006, 09:47 AM

tell us how those bags work. ive been looking into them a little cause some people swear by them. my only hang up with it is if i had to move them - id be afraid of damaging the root system

Cranky

07-15-2006, 10:15 AM

cheers fred me ol mucker;) pretty much left um to it the last week.

StoninStanley
I've seen good results also with these bags...the good thing about them is there square:) which means no floor space is wasted and ya can cram um in...great for sog;) could get maybe fifty of those in and grow um straight up and trim off lower branches just growing top colas and yield about an oz each....

will see how they go huh.....was thinking of putting some hydroton clay pebbles in the bottom for sturdiness and to help drainage also...cant see any damage being done to the roots...just dont go playing football with um:p

cheers for looking in

cranky

ndnguy

07-15-2006, 10:17 AM

If you could get that Floro right on top of them I think you could cut down on the stretch bigtime and nodes would be alot tighter but otherwise great job and looks like your on your way to a great grow.:)

StoninStanley

07-15-2006, 10:23 AM

right on, every time ive seen other people use bags they were those burlap kind and they always looked sort of unstable but the kind you have look like they actually hold their shape.

what kind of blueberry do you have going? every time i go to shop for blueberry i never know which one to get cause theres one thats dj shorts blueberry and theres one thats called original blueberry, but i dont see how original bb could be original cause i thought dj shorts was the original lol

gorilla

07-15-2006, 10:27 AM

Nice start Cranky. I'll be watching along on this one.

I'm using the same bags to flower this time around. Haven't transplanted them yet, But will within a matter of days. I feel that for the volume of the container compared to the amount of floorspace, you couldn't get a better sized pot.
I've heard that lining around the top of them with duct tape will help keep them study, and help from any ripping while lifting them.

Keep it up brother.

drumin

07-15-2006, 11:05 AM

Lookin good cranky, I'll be following along! :grow:

Cranky

07-15-2006, 11:21 AM

ndnguy wrote:

If you could get that Floro right on top of them I think you could cut down on the stretch bigtime and nodes would be alot tighter

i here yas buddy but if ya take alook at the third pic you will see there just 1-2 inch above plants...just raised the lights for pic in the one where the lights 2 ft away;) tubes are also about 3 year old now to but I'm getting a couple of envirolites next week so that will sort the stretch out;) thanks for looking out dude

StoninStanley,
ya the bags should be sturdy enough..the plastics real thick like and as for the blueberry ..ill have to get back to yas n that one mate;)

gorilla

i shall be watching to see how ya do with them;) will be about 3 weeks by the time i get the clones in um.thanks for stopping in :cool:

drumin,
nice to have yas on board drumin.will try and make it as much fun as poss:D

http://blog.zorka.com/images/funnystuff/priceless2.jpg

take care guys

cranks

bigsmoker420

07-15-2006, 02:21 PM

lookin good there im watchin this one grow on bro

Vortex

07-15-2006, 05:00 PM

Well mate I'll be along for the ride

Been thinking about trying out those bags myself, looks like I'll get a chance check'm out the easy way :D

-V0rtex

07-15-2006, 08:53 PM

something smells funny in here:shrug:

as for blueberry there's alot of hearsay.....

what we call BB hear is from clones only..... no seeds like...same as G-13 no?

dutch passions has BB and i have tried it but it was way diff like.....

rev might have some info on this, hopely he will stop in...

anyways tiss look'n real good in the garden bro....

bubblers are look'n great as well..... (P tool) ;)

grow on

Cranky

08-13-2006, 05:24 PM

sorry all:o been real busy and what not and have hardly spent anytime in the grow room let alone have time to update.

basically Ive been giving them a drink when they have been desperate for it and the bubbler's have been checked once aweek if that....even let one of the bubbler's go 3 weeks before i changed it:eek: .

well the seedlings and clones all suffered nute burn from the transplant into almix and its only now their taking off again;) as for the bubblers...there doing ok considering...ppms on about 950-1000 and Ph is about 5.8-6.0.they also suffered abit of nute burn as they both went down to about 4ltr and ppms were way up like but like i say...i ain't had the time:(

well thats is for now...oh i also added the enviro to;)

sorry about the lack of updates peeps...shall try and update when i can.
http://www.homegrownbud.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=5417&stc=1&d=1155511348

http://www.homegrownbud.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=5418&stc=1&d=1155511348

take care all

cranky

reubeni

08-14-2006, 01:03 AM

Great looking mums you got in them there bubblers Cranky very herbaceous they don't even look like ganja nice work bro:420:

Cranky

08-14-2006, 03:52 AM

Great looking mums you got in them there bubbler's Cranky very herbaceous they don't even look like ganja nice work bro:420:

cheers reub;) just been snapping the ol neck here there and everywhere:D goto weight for the seedlings to catch up like...not sure if thats gonna happen.will give um until the 20th then ill re-pot into final pots and see how they go from there.

might trim um up and do abit of a scrog yet...well see aye:cool:

take care bro

cranky

drumin

08-14-2006, 08:19 AM

Hey Cranky, I'm sure you're girls will bounce back just fine. You know what you're doing. :gthumb:

indoorgrower34

08-14-2006, 07:24 PM

nice grow there looks like a forest in there you definitly look like you know what your doing

Cranky

08-15-2006, 04:38 PM

drumin and indoorG

not sure about the knowing what I'm doing bit:p first time scrogger here;) .

talking of which....ive just trimmed aload off the 2 bb's ready for their screen.what you can see on the floor is what Ive taken off.screen will be in by sat.

also a pic of the soil plants under the enviro along with a nifty cheap little pump that you attach to your drill...no more moving bubbler's which will make life a whole lot easier when it comes to res changes;)

take care all and thanks for dropping in.

cranky

Cranky

08-20-2006, 06:12 PM

still aint got a screen in and have sufferd mild burn again as water levels had dropped right down again in the bubblers :o to busy like.

also the soil plants are starting to come alive to...could do with transplanting to be honest but that will have to wait until friday now.

grow with the flow dont yas know:cool:

take care peeps.

cranky

reubeni

08-20-2006, 06:19 PM

Very nice indeedie bro you see when your not round to fettle em they do quite fine:rolleyes: but pray tell when the water level falls in the bubblers does the ppm go up? I have noticed this effect in the aquarium and the fish do not like it:(

Cranky

08-20-2006, 06:27 PM

cheers bro;) yep shoots up to about 1300 ppms..oof oof like:o

ph is sitting around 6.0 at fresh res change and only drops to about 5.6 when there burning up at 1300ppm.

so pretty stable as ive only changed res once in 3 weeks and topped up once :eek:

nice to just leave um to it like.tiz what this hydro is about aye;) poor soil plants end up dying of thirst every 3 days:o

thanks for looking in .

cranky

08-20-2006, 06:30 PM

nifty cheap little pump that you attach to your drill...no more moving bubbler's which will make life a whole lot easier when it comes to res changes;)

pretty cool pump indeed :D

my first bubbler i used a hydro bed pump to drain for a bit

gonna have to get one of them if'n I'm gonna do any hydro here cuz I'm not drain'n to the bathtub anymore :rolleyes:

how much for 1

grow on m8

Cranky

08-20-2006, 06:36 PM

to you...49 cents:D

cranky

Cranky

08-25-2006, 03:45 PM

howdy folks...

today i went and reppoted the soil plants(at last lol).i gave um a good ol drink with about 1 ml of bio bizz grow to 1 ltr of water.

im useing these plastic bags for the first time...they probably hold about 2.5 gasl of soil and are pretty thick and seem to be stirdy enough:)

flowering will commence soon...also fekin off the scrog idea...the bubbler [plants have gone past scrogging size :o ..2 plants are near enough taking up half the room like:eek:

thats it for now
http://www.homegrownbud.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=5548&stc=1&d=1156542432

http://www.homegrownbud.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=5549&stc=1&d=1156542432

cranky

drumin

08-25-2006, 08:09 PM

Damn Cranky, looks like a space ship in there. :wow:

Cranky

08-31-2006, 04:57 PM

Damn Cranky, looks like a space ship in there. :wow:

yep,,,and as Ive just switched to 12/12 i reckon these girlie's are about ready to take off;)

Ive gone and thrown in a 400w hps in a jetstream air cooled hood thats not air cooled at the mo.(temps are fine at about 82 max) and as the soil plants are like 5 foot:eek: away from the hps Ive screw the 125w envirolite to the wall about 12 inch above um.this should also give the blueberry bubbler's abit of side lighting;)

ppms are about 1100 and ph has been alittle high at about 6.2-63 but thats cuzz Ive upped the dose of dudlink to 10ml which also lifts the PH.

Ive also added abit of H2o2 just for the hell of it;)

http://www.homegrownbud.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=5620&stc=1&d=1157064968

well thats it for now....cant wait to see these hydro plants do their thing in flower:cool:

take care peeps

cranky:mosh:

gorilla

08-31-2006, 08:11 PM

whoa, looks like those bubbler plants are really going to get big and take over.

soil guys dont stand a chance :eek:

good luck in flower cranky. 2thumbs

08-31-2006, 08:30 PM

them girls are gonna love the 400 for sure:D and a bit of side light to boot ;)

dont think i would worry about the ph to much at this point as your not far off from 5.8 and there's no sign of leaf tip yet ;)

grow on m8

ice#1

09-02-2006, 02:52 PM

your plants look a-lot beter since you've got the ph more under control

Cranky

09-03-2006, 10:35 AM

whoa, looks like those bubbler plants are really going to get big and take over.

soil guys dont stand a chance :eek:

good luck in flower cranky. 2thumbs

cheers Gorilla dude....lets hope all stays well aye;)

them girls are gonna love the 400 for sure:D and a bit of side light to boot ;)

dont think i would worry about the Ph to much at this point as your not far off from 5.8 and there's no sign of leaf tip yet ;)

grow on m8

CB,I'm just letting um do theirs thing....i think Ive only added Ph down the twice the whole grow like so i guess these nutes(ionic)is pretty good for the hydro newbie;)

your plants look a-lot better since you've got the Ph more under control

ice,thanks....wich reminds me..i ain't checked my Ph since adding the flowering nutes...i'll have to get back to yas on that one.

here they are..out of the room for the last time(had a right laugh getting um out)they have kinda gone wild on me and have gotten way bigger than i would of liked:o the door behind is 2'6 wide :eek: o'well...i can do with the bud;) also gos to show ya dont need much light for vegging...these were grown under 3 x 4 foot fluorescent strip lights at 38w each=114w total.

take care all

cranky

Cranky

09-20-2006, 03:57 AM

right peeps its been awhile i know but i been fighting this shit.the min i changed res last time and switched to 12/12 the prob started.yellowing all over like there locked up.ppms are same as when healthy at about 850-1000ppm and 5.8-6.0ph.

now my water had been sitting for about 1-.1.5 weeks before res changes but the last few has only been standing for like 12-24 hours and i think i have to high a chlorine content or somit.its like i can smell chlorine when i run the tap???temps in cab have been getting upto 85max but thats it...been alot higher before and never had this prob so it leads me back to my water prob.

I'm getting some bottled stuff tonight and ill try that.i cant see it being under fed or anything as the soil plants have just had their nutes doubled but the sames happening to them.

check it out...what ya think??its the same shit that happened to my last lot...
http://www.homegrownbud.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=5909&stc=1&d=1158746259

http://www.homegrownbud.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=5910&stc=1&d=1158746259
gutted!!

cranky

reubeni

09-20-2006, 04:10 AM

Looks like the pH is out of kilter to me m8, had the very same thing happen to me on my current batch but only 2 moms suffered what I have done now is balanced the PH and feed the kids veg food until they start to flower fully I would check the meter if I were you:2cents:

drumin

09-20-2006, 07:05 AM

Kinda looks like this bro

http://www.homegrownbud.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=5245&d=1154442017

If so, I think it's a PH thang. I had to flush the shit out of mine.

gorilla

09-20-2006, 01:09 PM

Shit.. that really sucks, Cranky. :( The same thing is happening to the soil plants as well as the hydro ones? Gotta be something with the water.. Good luck with the bottled stuff. Hope it works out for ya.

-G

becky420

09-20-2006, 01:48 PM

they look better than mine...

Cranky

09-20-2006, 05:53 PM

reubeni

09-20-2006, 06:11 PM

thanks for all the replies peeps;) but I'm still scratching my head???my Ph has always been pretty stable.its always been between 5.8 and 6.2(hydro)and 6.5(soil) so I'm just wondering why they would start to go all funny all of a sudden
Ph wise????

i mean its the same in hydro and soil even though Ph is adjusted to suite each:( ....

anyways..ive gone and got me water and have changed one bubbler with the ppm level at 850 and Ph at 5.9.

this should hopefully sort it out if the water is to blame...cant think of anything else like:(

heres the water i got...hope its OK for this hydro lark...dont think its RO or what ever that is.:o and my Ph meters OK reb;) check it every time these days lol:D

thanks for lookin in all...just hope i can get some bud off this lot:rolleyes:

cranky

Got a bit of a theory on this one please bear with me,
we have a plant in veg doing quite well then we bung it into flower, it starts to flower very fast not like in nature where the day hours slowly become shorter, so it shoots up stretches and the roots are not able to deal with the rush load that hits em, so they eat their leaves which in turn affects the pH, but all this is a virtual theory though as I am trying a work around.

Cranky

09-20-2006, 06:25 PM

hmmmm...???not sure there bro but the more i think about it the more i think its my tap water.i mean this has been going on for ages now from clones rooting and then dying on me seedlings making it past day 3 then the shit hits the fan and its happened with all 3 bubbler grows and now on these soil plants.I'm gonna monitor the temps more closely to..just to make sure like;)

fingers crossed this bottled stuff dose the trick;)

cheers all

cranky

Cranky

09-20-2006, 06:26 PM

they look better than mine...

got a pic???cant be a good thing like:rolleyes:

cranky

Cranky

09-28-2006, 06:11 AM

drumin

09-28-2006, 07:41 AM

Wow, bummer on that bro. You prolly posted this somewhere in the thread but are you on city or well water? If it's a well, I'd have it tested cause if the plants don't like it I'll bet your inerds don't either. :shrug:

becky420

09-28-2006, 10:31 AM

I am totally embaressed to show my plants.. they look like NOTHING in here!I know i have alot of help in here so i am going to grow a new batch with the help of ALL you !!lol
Cranky, wot soil do u use here in the uk? thanks
bexs

09-29-2006, 11:28 AM

well...what can i say...my plants are dieing.nothing i can do it seems to.:(

tried everything....gonna go back to basics and renew all my pots,air stones and bleech the cab big time.

gutted!!

.no pics as of yet..will grab some at lights on.

cranky:mad:

WTF m8?

been rack'n my head for any info but got none.....

sounds like you got a plan tho and probly is the best thing to do....

tiss a real pisser thats fer sure

grow on

Cranky

09-29-2006, 01:40 PM

drumin,

i use tap water and its always been fine...was fine upto untill 12/12:(

becky420,

the soil im using is bio bizz almix...its organic and rocks....made for growing the herb like;)

cb,

aye...i remember you saying somwhere about switching 12/12 like instead of lights on over night switcing to lights on in the day????or was i just dreaming:o

cranky

Shadows

10-03-2006, 12:01 PM

Hey cranky, the water you got, mineral water, is not the best to use for hydro. Try distilled water. It should have no mineral content at all.

I've had that show in my soil plants before. Ph it could be, but for mine it was brought on by over feeding. Also, a plants immune system is at its highest in veg, when you switch to flower it puts all of its energy into that and the immune system fails.

Cranky

10-05-2006, 03:16 AM

thanks nds and nice to se yas about.i shall take that in mind for future grows;)

well the plants have been chopped and binned.goona grab some bubbleicous and some light mix(bio bizz),,,new pots,,,new nutes(bio bizz),,bleech cab then go over cracks and shit with a flame and then repaint everything and bin the mylar.

back to basics:(

thanks all for looking in and trying to help...truth is i dont think anyone could off.ive tried everything under the sun to no avail.back to basics seems the ojnly way forward.

once again thanks all and ill post some pics up later of how bad they looked before chop chop.

cranky

rolanterroy

10-05-2006, 12:38 PM

Manganese toxicity brohammer, I would say off the top of my head. Also, I dunno which nutes you are using but you should be aware that Organic Nutes are cloaked to a TDS meter.

Sounds like high Mn in your tap water prolly High Iron as well, your soilmix prolly dives the pH enough for this to really fuck them hard as in the pics above. In your hydro it's a no brainer, those pH levels are PRIMO to toxify with an OD of Mn and/or Iron. These will start locking up all kinda other stuff due to the imbalance further fugging up pH and so on, a viscious cycle bro.

My #1 suggestion is go with reverse osmosis water. #2 if ya can't do that, at least get a filter like a Brita or a PUR or something lke that, it will atleast get the ridiculous amonts of that shit outta there.

If you are using tap water amigo, don't even bother trying to go with anything organic unless your tap water is :

Not Hard

Not softened

Better bet to use synthetics and flush your ass off in the soilmix containers, and I mean bigtime like once every 8 days or so. With your hydro, if you emply even the silly Brita or PUR water filters you will be way way better off. Spring water and well water both have super high salts (Ca mostly) content and are high alkalinity which means they hold whatever pH you set really hard core strong. Mebbe try pH-downing with Apple Cider vinegar for a bit that has a kind of "magical" effect on hard salty water like that.

Good luck bro, wish I could actually be there to check them out myself to be sure about many many variables, but with my eyes and by what you say that's my .02 amigo, good luck!

- REv :smoke1:

gorilla

10-05-2006, 06:41 PM

more food for thought...

Do you change nutes when you switch to flower, cranky?

Maybe your bloom nutes are bad.

reubeni

10-06-2006, 02:47 AM

Ah I think we have been here before "deja vu" the water is shyte, RO is the way to gohttp://www.homegrownbud.com/forums/showthread.php?t=973

reubeni

10-06-2006, 04:51 AM

Here is a pic of my ro filter good gear:)

rolanterroy

10-06-2006, 10:05 AM

Unless like gorilla said you have some old fouled nutes, it's the water; more specifically it's the salt levels and type(s) of salts in that water. When you went to bottled spring water I believe I read, or well water mebbe, that was "better" than tap (likely) however it still powered in the salts.

And I can clearly see it *IS* a salts problem by the damage, be it Mn, Mg, Ca K or whatever, it's an accumulation of salts to the point of toxification, of that much you can be sure.

- REv :smoke1:

Cranky

10-06-2006, 10:05 AM

damn fine info there from the lot of yas.reubeni,rev,and g-man.

revs theory had sprung to mind more than one time i can tell yas as my ph has always sat around 6.0-6.2.lock out kinda thing.

reubeni's theory....hmmm..peeps around me have no probs but I'm gonna take it all into consideration.;)

as for nutes G my man....im using ionic for hydro and bio bizz for soil as well as bio bizz all mix(organic).just i cant see just the flowering nutes go bad and not the veg ones like.but still its new everything.i dont want to end up where it happens again and Ive renewed everything else but kept the old nutes..i'd kick myself for sure.

tell yas what ladz....ill fukin move if i have to.i ain't beaten by a long shot.bring on the next grow aye...will document the whole goings on so we can all see wtf is up if it happens again.

thanks peeps

cranky

rolanterroy

10-06-2006, 10:09 AM

If you have a 5 gallon container broham, just go to one of those water machines in front of many stores for like 0.25 - 0.35 cents per gallon, that's killer R/O water there!

Also, if you are judging your nute levels (using organic nutes) with a TDS meter, you are way off your mark, cuz as I said above, TDS meters DO NOT read organic nutes my friend! ;)

- REv :smoke1:

Cranky

10-06-2006, 10:31 AM

nope ...just cant see it being the nutes rev as like i said to g-man....only the flowering nutes going bad and not the veg nutes just cant be like....i didnt even use flowering nutes if im honest on the soil plants as i only had old shit(like 14months old)but the rest of the nutes had all been bought in the last few months.

bloody head fuck though huh....heres some pics of some past grows...some of you may rekonise...just to show yas i can actually grow like lol:o

cranky

gorilla

10-06-2006, 10:33 AM

as for nutes G my man....im using ionic for hydro and bio bizz for soil as well as bio bizz all mix(organic).just i cant see just the flowering nutes go bad and not the veg ones like.but still its new everything.i dont want to end up where it happens again and Ive renewed everything else but kept the old nutes..i'd kick myself for sure.

really weird that it's happening to both, even though you're using different nutes in soil than hydro. i can just only think of so many reasons for it happening right at 12/12.

good luck next time anyway cranky.

edit...... guess we were posting at the same time. awesome pictures cranky!

Cranky

10-06-2006, 10:40 AM

cheers gorilla mate;) like i said bro...real mind blower:(

few more from a past grow,all flowered under a 400w hps.

take care
cranks;)

becky420

10-06-2006, 10:48 AM

those are amazing pics cranky
i bow!

rolanterroy

10-06-2006, 10:52 AM

So then my BIG question is, what did you change right before all this started? Heh heh, cuz there is two things I know for sure about your stuff bro:

You know how to grow

You are having a salt related problem now (I lean towards Mn)

If all your nutes are good, and you are NOT using a TDS meter to gague organic nute levels, then bottom line bro IT'S THE WATER SOURCE! :)

ANother couple things it could be that would be rare are things like incedental contamination, like you are using WIndex or some other kind of Chem nearby them, OR you are using plastic containers (or water like well water) that have trace (bad) chems in them.

Possibly a pathogen bro, (not likely) did you bring in any clones from another location before this all started to happen? Could be fungal or bacterial, *if* this could be the problem I don't envy you yikes! This will happen occasionally when plants from an outdoor location are cloned and brought indoors, or any other things are brought indoors from a time outdoors.

Water source is both the easiest and most likely I would say amigo, but if that aint it then ya gotta consider other sources, some of which are extra sucky, like a pathogen, virus, something like that. The only reason I even mention those buggers is because of your "global" effect that is the same accross your containers and hydro. Not likely, but a possibility.

Good luck man I hate having to hunt this kinda shit down, it's usually something stupid right in front of you that you just miss.

- REv :smoke1: