Midwests Corner

[midwestbluntman]

This looks like a fine place to set up camp,crack out the HID lighting and plug in the bubblers.For those that have came to my camp in the old world,Its a little bare around here rite now but hell we'll throw some pix on the walls and a couch to rest on over there and maybe move in some bunk beds for them alnighters.
Well due to the sudden move alot of things got left behind,I dont save any pix or grow info on my harddrive so this will be a fresh start.

[arnold layne]

sounds good, bro.
i'm in.....
i brought my own bean bag chair, too.....
peace-
arnold layne

[Mr Burns]

I was going to go wet with bubblers this grow, but I just didn't have the time to sort it all out as I'm running short on stock.

Interesting to see one start up from scratch. Are you gonna show the build Blunt?

Burnsy.

[midwestbluntman]

Burnsy
man most of it is already assembled,Is there anything in perticular that you want to see.I'll be more than glad to post it up,i was workin on a DIY recirculating dwc setup but i lost all my images so that had to fall to the back burner for now.I need a good encryption program so i would be more comfortable in saving images,got any ideas on a good one?Anyway,there will be a pictorial of the setup and description as to how it all works.We are haveing a bit of problems with the [img] tags at the moment but admins are on it,so it wont be long.

[midwestbluntman]

So lets throw a few up of the setup,its quite ghetto but it really does grow some fine ass plants

Well first off we will start with the veg setup,It a 20 liter res with 2 grow moduals made from well coffee containers.the total setup holds approximitly
6.5 gallons
Its recirculated by a 130 GPH aqua via pump via 1/4" feed lines and 3/8" return lines
The moduals are powered by 2 50 gallon whisper airpumps with 2 1" airstones in each
There are 5 45watt cfl's for a total of 225 watts
http://www.homegrownbud.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=225&stc=1&d=1132197439



The flower room setup is equally as ghetto
It has a 10 gallon res recirculated by a 130gph aqua via pump feed lines are 3/8" and the return lines are 5/8.
The nutrients are pumped up to the canister and gravity feed to the bubblers.not the greatest idea but the only way i could make the small pump run the system.


http://www.homegrownbud.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=226&stc=1&d=1132197439



The bubblers are made of 2 20 liter tubs,These pictured are whats in there now but they will be changed and plumbed to fit the room better.

http://www.homegrownbud.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=227&stc=1&d=1132197439



Presently im running a 400 watt MH but i plan to have the 400 watt hps iinstalled before i flip to 12/12
the extractor fan is a furnace blower run threw a 14lbs kitty scrubber.[i used tidycat crystals instead of carbon]but thats another story.

[CB]

we drink the same coffee:D

great job on the setup indeed

nice simple and to the point.....all that is needed to grow hydro;) well a means to read ppm allso helps

plants are look'n good

[Shadows]

Awesome setup MWB. I really like that you are using those small containers for veg bubblers. Just how tall do you let the plants get in them anyways, and do you train?
You've stopped by my journal and if you understand my space limitations, you'll understand why I ask these questions. Hydro has bugged me forever, but my small space prevents typical hydro setups. So Im always trying to find something a little out side of the box that will work for me.

anyway man, nice grow and great setup. I'll be camping out for this one.

[midwestbluntman]

shadow
Man my veg cabby is 30" tall,them containers are just over 6"talland the cfls are around 3"round,so the tallest they can get is around 18"that leaves 3-3 1/2 inch
between bulbs and plant tops.I did have every intention to train them,but ive ran into this yellowing problem.which has all but stopped growth.They seem to be starting to green back up,mainly in the veins and edges of the leaf.I havent ever tried to LST but thats what i had in mind for them.The cabinet is 2'X2'X30" I think i have enough room in the cab to do it.In your journal you said you run 4" computer fans in yours,Does them fans do the trick in the hot months?I took a fan out of a old dishwasher and thats what im using right now.not really sure why there is a fan in a dishwasher but it does.anyway the fan has very little push power so it wont push a scrubber,and i need one badly on the veg box.curious if the puter fans will run one.i havent tried to pull a scrubber with mine but it wont push it.

[Shadows]

I have good results with the 4x4 fans bro. In fact every carbon scrubber I've ever made uses them. The trick was finding an old computer power supply and jumping it out to make it run without a motherboard. Then I got some Variable speed controls and connect all the fans to that. At 12v the fans I have are loud so the speed control allows me to 'tune' the noise level as much as the CFM the fans move.

To get better air flow through a scrubber, increase its surface area. A 4x4 fans will have a tough time pulling air through a 4x4 carbon filter thats 2" thick. If the filter was 8x8 the CFM would increase.

Veg has 4 CFL's in it totaling just over 90w. 1 4x4 fan maintains temps at a comfortable 83deg.

[midwestbluntman]

Well not alot to talk about just a few lil adjustments made.Last night I installed the Res heaters in both boxes,Its going to take a little playin with to get the heaters set to a temp that will maintain i sweet 72 degree's in the bubblers.Ive started off at 75 degree's,I'll let that run for several hours then check my bubbler temps and adjust accordingly
I dug out the Electric heater for the grow room itself,only to find that the fan inside it doesnt seem to want to work so,looks like heater surgery is in order.I may not have time to get into this till after the holidays so all i can do is pray for some decent weather for the next few days.I need to find a small propane or natural gas heater as this area is prone to power outages in the winter months.Its a gut wrenching experiance to walk in the grow room and see all your bubblers froze fuckin solid,This happened to me last winter,it cost me all my clones and really stunted the flowering.It was a rough couple of weeks wondering if your whole show was going to fall over dead.I got a kerosene heater but it is just to costly to run at almost 3.50 a gallon.

Well my Yellowing problem is subsiding,they are showing real signs of improvement.I went to get pix this morning only to find dead batteries in the cam,so no pix today.Seems as tho my vague attemp at lightproofing the veg setup actually is working.No fungas growing in my res since the flush and recharge[so about a week].


PPM's are at 775
Ph is a flat 6 [or canary yellow]
Room temps are a tad low fallin in at about 59 degrees[At 5:00am]
RH is also a bit low running at 47%



Now Into The Flower Room


I installed the scrog screen a week are so back and have 3 ladies under it.It's filling in but i think my low temps are hindering them a bit.3 plants under a 2'X3' screen should fill really fast,but mine isnt.Hopefully This weekend i can get some heat running in the grow room.Im a yard sale fool,Ive looked this whole yard sale season for some adiquit means of heating the room but i didnt find anything that struck an idea.I havent givin up yet as there are still flea markets and such to scope out.
I wanted to flip the lights to 12/12 for about a week now and just cant seem to find the time to get the HPS installed and running.I want to be there when it fires up the first few times just incase something malfunctions.Things of that nature seem to come along when you build shit stoned.This one just happens to be a ballast,Dont know about ya'll,but a fire in the grow room is one of my biggest fears as it will draw all kinds of unwanted attention to the garden not to mention distroying a shit load of hard work and a pocket full of cash.Funny thing is with fire being a top priority concern,I have 0 fire extinguishers in there,lol.[not recommended]

PPM's are 900
Ph is 5.8
Room Temps are low 60's lights on and in the 40's lights off
RH is 49%

[Cranky]

my biggest fears as it will draw all kinds of unwanted attention to the garden not to mention destroying a shit load of hard work and a pocket full of cash.Funny thing is with fire being a top priority concern,I have 0 fire extinguishers in there,lol.[not recommended]

thats the way bro.you have ya priorities in the same basket as me.fuck everything else as long as the grows ok:D :D

now i aint sure if ya have baby bio over there.....if i was in hydro and i had this yellowing id try a few drops of that.works great for me if i ever get a fussy strain2thumbs cheap as chips to.

cranky

[midwestbluntman]

Hey after a few days of traveling i come home to find the ladies have been quite busy while i was away.The yellowing is gone for the most part and the new growth is lookin great.PPM's hasnt changed much they are at 775 and Ph 6.Its been pretty damn cold at nite here in the low 20's,My room temps hi/low recorded was 89 and 54 I can live with that.Had to turn the res heaters down just a touch water temps was at 78 degrees dropped it back about 5 degrees im lookin for 72.

Well how about a couple pix?


http://www.homegrownbud.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=123&d=1132012333



before




http://www.homegrownbud.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=449&stc=1&d=1133061997



after


And then a couple from the flower room



http://www.homegrownbud.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=451&stc=1&d=1133061997





http://www.homegrownbud.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=452&stc=1&d=1133061997

[high2dsky]

:peace: 2thumbs so far so good. keep em comin midwest........2thumbs

[tripnoncid]

what's up MWBM!
hey lookin good bro :)
just thought I would stop by and see the progress.
the new setup is lookin real good man.
2thumbs
trip

[Palindrome]

yeah midwest good looking recovering you got there, with a steady recovering and good coloring of the leaf's now. I belive that if your keeping on this track thru the rest of the grow it's not gonna effect the end product at all. Eksept that it might have taken a bit longer to grow, but wtf aslong your having a nice harvest with some super nice weed as a revard right???!!

Another good thing is it's a SCROG and not a SOG as theres not much time to recover during a SOG, in my ekspiriance it's really really hard to recover flowering clones ½ way thrue flower.

Palindrome

[midwestbluntman]

Hey tripn
thanks for stopping by my freind,its been awhile since we got to talk.My setup ive kinda copied xtrakriticals design with the feed manifold and such,this is really its first run and seems to be holding up well.

Pali
yea man they are starting to grow again,color is commin back into the leaves.I learned something here tho, h202 in access locks out your nitrogen.They have had a rough start but i think your right on the recovery,we'll see when its there turn to blossom.

[Palindrome]

I learned something here tho, h202 in access locks out your nitrogen.They have had a rough start but i think your right on the recovery,we'll see when its there turn to blossom.

H2O2 locking out N??? I never herd that before and I have used H202 always, I had problems where I added to much and damaged the root's, but I never herd it should lock out N and if ya got some date or info about it i'd like to see it so I might could learn something new too.

But my first conclution is that H2O2 is just a little helper and will not damage or lock out any nutrients, just to high a dose will damnage or kill the root's and your plant will suffer hard.

ATM in my studys I got something about nutriens and nutrient lock outs, stuff about what happens if you got to much of something or to little and that it effects the uptake of other nutrients like N so I don't know if H202 might do something like that. Anyway I hope we can clear it up, I hardly ever have lag og N or indications for that.

Palindrome

[midwestbluntman]

pali
no bro i dont have anything solid to base that off of,but thats all i have added to them and you can see the out come there.H202 actually locking out nutes may have been a premature statement on my part but i dont know what else it could have been.I did a 3 day flush and nute change at the end of the flush and now they are back to green and producing new growth.The Ph maintained the canary yellow statis,ppm were low in my opinion[750-800],I guess maybe there could have been a residue in the containers of something detrimental to the uptake of nutes.I dont really know what went wrong,but im deffinitly glad its over,or atleast in remission.purhaps the H202 was damaging my root system,thus causing the lack of N uptake.I wish i had more space to play with this,to see if i can reproduce the effects and possible grasp a better concept on what actually happened.

[Shadows]

If you used H2O2 too often or in too high of a quantity it could have damaged the roots, which would have lead to the deficiencies. I havnt seen mentioned the nutes your using, mind sharing?

[midwestbluntman]

Sorry bro i thought i mentioned that in the begining,had to go back and look.You are correct i didnt,im using GH 3 part,i use the lucus formula of 3 Grow 2 micro 1 bloom -1 grow 2 micro 3 bloom.So far i have only been using kool bloom as a bloom stimulant.

[midwestbluntman]

I got the Hps together and fired up last night for a test run,all seemed to be in order there.Im going to try to get it installed in the grow room tommorow eve so i have the whole weekend to watch it.Im not really ready for more clones yet but i need to do some topping in the veg box,I'll get some pix up later.

[midwestbluntman]

Today I got the HPS installed in the flower room.I thought i would have to change alot of things to get the hood in there,but it went rite in and hangs pretty center,i was impressed.The hood is DIY and as of now its not air cooled, but that is in the works.I didnt build the hood a buddy of mine(Old Dog) put it together for me at his job.Here i got a few pix of it before it went in the closet.

http://www.homegrownbud.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=578&stc=1&d=1133675603

and another

http://www.homegrownbud.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=579&stc=1&d=1133675603

I added the the chains and electronics to it.After this grow I'll shoot the reflector side with some high temp white paint,and midwestify the exterior.

Oh hell,we cant forget the shot of the Ballast.I hung it on the grow room wall,I still need to build a case for it,but it is up and running now.

http://www.homegrownbud.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=583&stc=1&d=1133675603


http://www.homegrownbud.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=582&stc=1&d=1133675603


And one of the hood installed.Can ya tell,I like my new light.


This was my first attempt to build a HID light,altho its quite ghetto im pretty proud of it.Ive got about $100 invested in it hood ballast and everything.$20 of that was that damn mogul base,The last one of them that i bought was like $9,I about fell out when they said twenty bucks.If there is anyone interested in building there own HID equipment here is How I Did It (http://www.homegrownbud.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1189&postcount=2)

Well here is a shot of the ladies at there first HPS sunrise

http://www.homegrownbud.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=581&stc=1&d=1133675603


and another

http://www.homegrownbud.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=580&stc=1&d=1133675603


That shot was rite as the light came on,before it reached full power,thats what i referred to sunrise.

In the Veg Room,Thing are rolling rite along.With only Traces of the hardship that these two gals have been threw.

http://www.homegrownbud.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=585&stc=1&d=1133675603

This is the one that got hit the hardest.This is the one that i entered in last months potm.

http://www.homegrownbud.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=586&d=1133675603


This is the oldest of the two,she didnt get near as bad as the last [or youngest]did.Im going to trim her up a bit tomorrow as a few of her tops are just about in the lights.

http://www.homegrownbud.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=584&d=1133675603

Here is a group shot in the Veg box.

http://www.homegrownbud.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=587&stc=1&d=1133675603

and another,I think this is a better shot.

Veg box stats
PPM's are 1200
Ph is at 6
RH is 40%

[Mr Burns]

The hood looks a real peach Midwest. It maybe something I'll look into myself in the future but which way have you hung the lamp under there? Vertical like a parabolic?
The reason I ask is I can fit 4 plants under each shade and if I were to use a parabolic set-up a vertical lamp would be ideal.

Another thing I wanted to ask is how many bubbler grows have you taken on and what was your medium beforehand ie: soiless soil etc.

Like others within the forum bubblers really have caught my eye but it can't be as easy as it seems no matter how greenfingered a person seems with soil?

[midwestbluntman]

burnsy,
I hung the bulb horizonally,to hang it vertically it would have hung down below the hood.I'll grab a pic of it on the next vist.
As for as previous grows,I really didnt do much growing before i discovered ghettoponic'sIve thrown out seeds and they grew to a point, then was either eating, mowed, or just fuggin died.My first few bubbler grows i used grow rocks and net pots,but now im mediumless.I use neoprene collars ive constructed out of some pool accessaries.

man if you have a ppm [EC,TDS]meter,and a Ph test kit or meter,throw yourself a bubbler together and give it a go,i almost know you will never look at soil the same.

[Mr Burns]

man if you have a ppm [EC,TDS]meter,and a Ph test kit or meter,throw yourself a bubbler together and give it a go,i almost know you will never look at soil the same.

Your making it too tempting MidWest. :bong: I'm wondering if it's the tecnical/metering part that makes or breaks a bubbler grow cause you made emphasis on the metering part.
I gotta say the metering part I'd be interested in and wouldn't find it a chore unless balancing ever eratic ppm, ph and whatever else. It's kinda wierd imagining total dependance from the plants but then again don't reading levels and res tank flushes become less frequent if using a larger than needed res tank? Seems a fair trade off for space when designing a grow room?
I imagine having them balanced for at least a few days would be a good feeling :gthumb:

The biggest question for me is can you we a bubbler running organic nutes:hmmmm:

[midwestbluntman]

I'm wondering if it's the tecnical/metering part that makes or breaks a bubbler grow cause you made emphasis on the metering part.

The meters make life so much easier,you can get by with the Ph drops,and there is a mathmatical equasion to figure ppm's [altho i dont know it]but the metering is vital.

It's kinda wierd imagining total dependance from the plants but then again don't reading levels and res tank flushes become less frequent if using a larger than needed res tank? Seems a fair trade off for space when designing a grow room?

I take readings just about every day,if my grow was accessable to me all the time,i would take readings 2 or 3 times a day,altho thats not really neccasary.Things dont change that drastically that quick or atleast hasnt for me yet.most things, i can watch happen over a period of 24 to 36 hours.Ive left for days at a time and upon return found my numbers to be real close to where they were when i left.Ph may have swung hi/low maybe a full point.PPM's swing all the time,if i was to go check right now and record the numbers and go back 2 hours from now they will be diffrent,but 2 hours later they may be the same again.ppm's are constantly up and down depending on what the plants are useing at the moment.Here is an example:i went and checked yesterday afternoon the ppm's were at 1170,ok last night before i went to bed they were 1225,but this morning they are at 1160.when i get to vist next prolly this eve,i will adjust my ppm's to 1225 unless they are higher then.thats just how i do it,not saying that this is the way to do it, its just my way.as your plants feed the Ph will fluctuate up/down.I try to stay within 5.5 to 6.5,as long as im in that range i dont alter my ph with chems.adding nutes or Ph'ed tap will raise or lower your Ph,as the plants feed the ph will lower as they drink instead of eat then the Ph will rise.we are not talking big number here not even a whole point [6.0-drinking it may swing to 6.3 or 6.4]can ya kinda see where im going with this?

The biggest question for me is can you we a bubbler running organic nutes

there are several here that run organic nutes in Hydro,cheap is one of them and jr and dibbz.Jr and cheap run foxfarm and i think dibbz runs bio biz.

[Cranky]

dibbz in hydro?thats fukin swearing that is :D

with bio bizz burnsey,i think ya can get away with the biogrow,biobloom,root juice and top max.the fish mix and al-ga-mic will clog up the pumps and shit.

its the only way i will go hydro and thats using biobizz.been using it 5 years now and i cant see me using anything else.

also from what i know about biobizz,it maybe alot easier to use in hydro as the ph levels shouldn't fluctuate as much as chems.ill be getting a bubbler going as soon as I'm back at it;)

as for ya midwest,nice hood indeed.2 holes on either side and a 3 mm sheet of glass to seal it and ya got a hood like mine only mine cost me £125
thats about 200 bucks in monopoly money:D.ill get a pic of it for yas later but until then you can look it up.its called the jetstream air cooled hood and its the best out there as far as air cooled hoods go imo.2thumbs

as for the plants mid,are ya still weaving them through the screen or are ya letting some branches grow out of it?

all the best

cranky

[Jr. Greenthumb]

Mid, tell your buddy, Old Dog, that is some pretty damn good sheet metal work. It looks like he has been doing it for many years. I am really impressed with it. I wished I had a buddy that could do sheet metal cause I would surely put his ass to work on a custom hood for my cabs.

It looks like it may be setup to put some glass in, is it setup for that?




Burnsey, I started off with a single bubbler during one of my grows a little while back. I had like 4 soil plants and decided to stick one in a bubbler. The one in the bubbler grew 5X quicker and bigger then the ones in soil. I was SO impressed that the next grow went off with Bubblers only. I have been hydro all the way ever since. I have used silica stone and hydroton in my bubblers and I prefer Silica stone. The plant just seems to grow better and is a lot stronger and less stressed if you f*ck up a bit. The Draw back is that you can only get by with a couple grows with it and you lose a lot of it when you clean it from one grow to the next. The stone breaks down and crumbles but adds silica to your res. which helps the plant uptake it. Now Hydroton you can use as often as you want but doesn't add anything to the plant except a place to grow.

Sorry for Hi-Jacking your thread Mid.....

Lookin' good bro. :gthumb:

[midwestbluntman]

as for the plants mid,are ya still weaving them through the screen or are ya letting some branches grow out of it?

well kinda both bro,as it grows threw and above the screen then i start the weaving,that way the under growth has a chance to reach the screen also.Im still learning this scrog shit so if anyone has some input feel free to jump in and throw it around.God knows i need all the help i can get.

Mid, tell your buddy, Old Dog, that is some pretty damn good sheet metal work.
It looks like it may be setup to put some glass in, is it setup for that?



jr man i already told him that,Guess what i paid for that hood?Gas money, to go pick it up,It pays to have good freinds.He does heating and air,they build all there duct work in there own lil sheetmetal shop.

When we were talking about the construction of the hood i asked him to build it with a double lip around 3 sides so i could slid a peice of glass in there,but i dont guess he understood what i was wanting.so no man, its not setup for the glass.Now i have to come up with an idea as to how to get one in there.I'll snap a shot of the underside and post it maybe we can figure something out for it.I wanted to also run duel spectrums with this hood and didnt,the more i thought about it i was concerned that i wouldnt have sufficient electricity supplied to run the 2 ballast off the same circuit along with what all is already there.Im robbing power from my laundry room,well actually just the dryer.the dryer was wired with a 60 amp circuit,It dont need that it would function fine on 40 or prolly even 30.so ive tapped the growroom into it.


Sorry for Hi-Jacking your thread

Ya'll can jump in anytime bro I appreciate the support.

[Cranky]

OK mate...this is my thoughts on the old bobbing and weaving:D

i say keep weaving them tops bro....its gonna act like lst...that will make the lower growth reach for the stars...well thats the way i see it like.scrog to me is just another form of lst or vise verser;)

and as for the glass prob...

get a hax saw and cut 5 mm down each corner at the join..then get ya self an anvil or somit with a hard straight edge and hang the hood(where ya want the lip)5mm over the so called anvil and hammer over to create a 5mm lip if ya gets me...do this on 3 side and you will have a gap at one end to slide ya glass in....


just a thought bro

cranky

[midwestbluntman]

get a hax saw and cut 5 mm down each corner at the join..then get ya self an anvil or somit with a hard straight edge and hang the hood(where ya want the lip)5mm over the so called anvil and hammer over to create a 5mm lip if ya gets me...do this on 3 side and you will have a gap at one end to slide ya glass in....

Thats kinda what i was thinkin also bro.I was thinking of using 2 peices of wood and a couple clamps,and try to bend like that.

well here are those pix of the underside of the hood.


http://www.homegrownbud.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=625&stc=1&d=1133916485

http://www.homegrownbud.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=626&stc=1&d=1133916485

http://www.homegrownbud.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=627&stc=1&d=1133916485

[tripnoncid]

man MWBM that shit is lookin awesome dude!
trip

[Palindrome]

yeah midwest it's kicking in huh, looking good and I like ya huge reflector, but is that metal reflecting very much light?

If I was you id look for some heat resistens flat white Car paint on spray or something, that will give ya a way higher reflection I belive.

There are a nice inprovement in your grow too, from the start with recovering them busted up plants and now they are beutiful lady's growing into some dank bud I belive.

Keep it green mate and good luck

Pali

[midwestbluntman]

There are a nice inprovement in your grow too, from the start with recovering them busted up plants and now they are beutiful lady's growing into some dank bud I belive.

Thanks pali,
I plan on painting the reflector before i fire up the next grow.I was just in a hurry to get the light up so i could flip the lights to 12/12.I was shooting for some christmas bud but its lookin like i'll be robbing the grow for new years.

Tripn

good to see ya my freind,Are you still running your DIY EbbNFlo?I wanted to put me one together,but i just dont have the room to, ive never played with a flood and drain.

[Shadows]

If you'll be removing the socket before you paint, might I suggest you place a V shaped channel above the bulb, and parallel to the fillament inside? This will prevent the amount of light that reflects back into the bulb, extending bulb life.

nice job on that hood. Its good to know a metal man huh? hell, its good to be one!

[Palindrome]

Metal man is he maryed to the Iron lady?

[Mr Burns]

That sure is a nice shaped hood. I know someone who's a fabricator but I can't be sure he'd guess and let on what it's for.
I wonder if theres a market for custom built shades :hmmmm:

[midwestbluntman]

If you'll be removing the socket before you paint, might I suggest you place a V shaped channel above the bulb, and parallel to the fillament inside? This will prevent the amount of light that reflects back into the bulb, extending bulb life.

Thats a excellent idea ND,I'll keep an eye out for some stock to build it out of.It will have to be a shallow V as i didnt leave alot of room between the bulb and top of the hood.I guess i could just build a new mounting flange for the socket.


Metal man is he maryed to the Iron lady?

Lmao,they'd have to invest in slick 50 stock to keep the friction wear to a minimal.



I know someone who's a fabricator but I can't be sure he'd guess and let on what it's for.
I wonder if theres a market for custom built shades


dude you always tell them its for an aquirium or for heat lamps to keep food warm or something.I was lucky in that department as my buddy knew what it was and what is was for when he put it together.He's hooked me up with alot of cool stuff for the grow,like a low voltage transformer and relays,digital thermostat.Hell he even give me a blower fan,its definitly nice to have freinds in rite places.

There may be a market for custom hoods,if ya keep the price rite with the shipping and all.

[Mr Burns]

Midwest.
In your opinion, is it possible to run 2.5 gallon bubblers. Reason being I can get these sizes free, new and with lids. I guess 5 galon is ideal but if I could use a free bucket I don't mind changing over now for a test run. Thing is I heard 2.5s are too small for the root system and clogging up will occur?
What sizes do you use?

[CB]

In your opinion, is it possible to run 2.5 gallon bubblers.

say mid just gonna ramble a bit if ya dont mind:rolleyes:

burnsy if ya go back to post 5 and check those pics....those are like 1/2 gallon maybe

rootbond is over rated i think....... soil and hydro root growth are about the same and if need be you can trim the root wad and replant into the same size bucket.......

my last grow i messed around with a plant in a 12 oz cup from start to finish:eek:

plant reached 28 inch's and yeilded about 1/4 oz or so

bigger bucket's = bigger plants i think, but one must adapt to the size of there grow space

so you ask what I'm on about......

well i think you could go hydro in a 12 oz cup if you ask me:p

[midwestbluntman]

is it possible to run 2.5 gallon bubblers. Reason being I can get these sizes free, new and with lids. I guess 5 galon is ideal but if I could use a free bucket I don't mind changing over now for a test run. Thing is I heard 2.5s are too small for the root system and clogging up will occur?
What sizes do you use?


Burnsy,
Im with cb on that one,I think you can use any size you want for vegitating anyway.The size of your bubbler will hold the fate of how large your plants will get.My veg bubblers are like 1/2 gal and i run a 5 gal res,The oldest plant in veg is got that bubbler pretty full with roots.That is why i am using them tho,i dont want them to get real big at this point,mainly just fill out so i can screen them.Im trying something a bit diffrent with these,My goal is a perpetual 1/2lb every six weeks or so.So far i havent acheived this,The best yeild ive gotten was about 6 ounces off 3 plants.I want a 1/2 lb with 2 plants or 1 if i can swing it.when what is in the veg box goes to flower they will have vegged for almost 10 weeks,however the problems i had with these slowed them drastically.growth all but stopped for over 2 weeks more like 3 really.In flower im running 5 gal bubblers,infact the res of my veg system is the same size tub i use for my flowering bubblers with a 10 gal res.
Clogging,YES,I need to find something to keep the roots out of my return lines,as of now i have nothing and clogging is a problem.Ive thought of using a small peice of PVC pipe with multiple small holes drilled threw it and covered with a panty hoe or something to try and curve this.Not real sure what i'll do here tho,the clogging is not so much a problem with the veg setup,but im using 3/8 od return lines and the return flow isnt real strong.In flower im using 5/8 od and the flow is strong enough to suck the roots in,This is where im having my clog problems ATM.Ive not had an overflow "YET" !Im sure it's comming tho.

[Mr Burns]

Thanks Cheap.
So heres what I'm thinking. I have another 10 Chronic on the perimeter of this grow. They're all sat in dirt but could I remove them from dirt when 4 weeks into flower (and the current crop is harvested) and put them in clay pebbles/bubblers? Or would I lose a large percentage of yield?

Like I say the buckets are free and I also have a large nute tank. I'd just need the ancilaries.

[Shadows]

The biggest advantage of a large res is stability of the nutrient solution. In my 1 gallon bubbler that holds 3/4 gal of water I have to change out every 2 days because the solution goes kaput.

[midwestbluntman]

could I remove them from dirt when 4 weeks into flower (and the current crop is harvested) and put them in clay pebbles/bubblers? Or would I lose a large percentage of yield?

Yea you can put them into a bubbler from dirt,Cheap had a thread on his method of doing just that,but i think that thread was at the old world.He was dealing with a somewhat smaller scaled plant but i think it will work just as well.Ive not tried it with a mature plant before,but i transplanted my hot peppers to hydro from dirt when they were small.There could be a period of shock which would hender your yeild,But with some special TLC[tender lov'n care]you could minimize this im sure.


In my 1 gallon bubbler that holds 3/4 gal of water I have to change out every 2 days because the solution goes kaput.

ND do you flower in that 1 gallon container?Ive thought of try'n 1 plant like that and fuggin with her light cycle till she herm's to try and get seed.Whats your thoughts on that?ive heard that would bring mostly female seed,any truth in that?

[midwestbluntman]

The temps around here plunged to a whoppin 12 degrees last nite,The electric space heater i got in the grow room was pumping its heart out try'n to hold a 48 degree statis.Im have'n serious doubts about it being able to pull me threw the winter,looks like a new heating solution needs to be employed.The cabinets temps with the lights on anyway,stayed within reasonable levels tho,low 70's.I'll definitly have to do some wheatherazation to the shed as its going to get colder than this before its over.

I changed out my nutes in the flower room,give the ladies a stiff 1000 ppm's of bloom nutes.Ph was set at 5.8 RH was pretty low 27%.I have steadily lowered the hood,lookin for the spot,i think im about there.The hood is about 10" above the canopy which would put the bulb about 13".No signs of burn yet,not even alittle wilt or nothin so i think im close.The roots in the return line is becoming more of a problem,not real sure how im going to deal with that.Im curious if i can wrap the roots in nylons,and tie them up just above the returns,any thoughts?

The veg box stats are 1100 ppm 5.6 Ph and low RH in here as well.These 2 gals are lookin alot better these days,ive got all the bad foliage taken off and the new growth is lookin good.They are about due for a res change,prolly do that this weekend.The oldest of the 2 is starting to bush out a bit,I topped her a few days ago,well I topped them both but the younger one isnt quite as bushy yet.I plan to top them again around when the bloom box reaches mid flower and start clones for the next show then.Still workin on the timming to get this perpetual going.Its taken some time to figure it out with all crysis that keep popping up,but I'll get it.

[Shadows]

ND do you flower in that 1 gallon container?

I am planning to, as soon as she starts doing better. Right now shes growing slower then she would in soil. I changed her airstone lastnight, hoping that will help and I have 2 other air pumps just incase thats whats needed.

Ive thought of try'n 1 plant like that and fuggin with her light cycle till she herm's to try and get seed.Whats your thoughts on that?ive heard that would bring mostly female seed,any truth in that?

Well, 2+ years ago I had a JH female hermie out and pollinate a NL girl. That resulted in about 4 seeds, 3 of which got planted. 2 came up female, the last didnt survive. I've been growing that strain from those seeds now in clone form for 2 years and have not seen a male banana on her yet.

In spite of that, there is no definitive proof that doing this will produce 100% female seeds. It will produce seeds that have a greater chance of being female, but enviromental factors will affect the outcome. Then there is a chance that since the hermie gene exist in the seed, that it too could hermie without you knowing and seed your entire crop.

I think if female seeds is something you really want to do, stay away from the stress method. Study up on Gibberellic Acid, heres a starter
"Gibberellic acid is an important plant hormone used to improve seed germination and plant growth and size. Gibberellic acid can also influence the timing of flowering, flower gender and flower size." Used in small quantities on a branch it can trigger male flowers to grow. Do this and collect that pollen for your greatest chance at feminine seeds.

[Shadows]

Check this page out (http://www.super-grow.biz/GibberellicAcid.jsp) for more information on Gibberellic acid, and to see about purchasing some, if interested. Just be careful with the stuff. Read the FAQ on that page, good stuff.

[Mr Burns]

I'll definitly have to do some wheatherazation to the shed as its going to get colder than this before its over.

MID. I never knew you were a shed grow too. 2thumbs Temps and things can be a problem and I found that I need the propane heater on through the light period too. I switched it down to the frost setting this morning and when I looked out an hour later the exhaust looked like it was pumping out a steam engines waste! Not good so I put it's stat back to 15C. All was back to norm in 20 minutes.

As for female seeds, I had an episode with hermie seeds and had conflicting reports on whether they'd be feminised or not. Well it seemed they did as I had 9 out of 10 females, another grower had 4 from 4 females and another 5 from 5 females. I had two strains on the go and it was the non hermied but pollinated strain that I took the seeds from. The seeds from the same strain as the hermie I've never tried but I've got about 60 put away.
I'm not sure how it happened but stress is my opinion. Although I'm not saying this is the correct method as the hermie was a mistake that became a blessing. Light issues was another thing. I was entering the room during dark periods and thought the amount of time I was in there wouldn't matter. I'll never know which or what did it but it happened.
Why not try pulling one out during the light period and putting it under a lamp for an hour? Just a thought..........

[midwestbluntman]

Thanks ND that is some great info there,Im going to order a bit of that gibberellic acid and give that a go,Sounds like that is the ticket.Have you tried it?I may still pull one plant off to herself to experment with,maybe a clone in a sog style type grow.It would be my luck to pollenate the whole damn show.My last grow i had either a male or a hemie,anyway i got some seeds but i didnt save them as i wasnt sure if they were pure G-13 or if one of the bag seed plants got her.Hell i dont know that the G-13 is pure itself as i got the strain from a fellow grower,He sent me 2 clones a year are so ago and ive been hanging on to the strain since.But i sure would like to have some seed so i can try a few diffrent strains and still be able to get this one back.


MID. I never knew you were a shed grow too.
Why not try pulling one out during the light period and putting it under a lamp for an hour? Just a thought.....

Yea man the wife wont let me bring the show in so thats where i was left to grow.Infact i catch hell about it being out there even,she is quite a paranoid lil filly.

Thats pretty much what i had in mind,only i would have put it on a timer where about every 3 hours the lights would come on for an hour and back off for 3 more.I think im going to try the gibberellic acid stuff ND talked about,cause like you said, all them seeds may hermie also comming from a stressed hermie mom.That would surely piss me the fuck off to go threw all that and them all hermie on me in the end.Im not sure how the breeder get there feminized,but there has been a few that ive talked to that grew them and they told me the feminized hermied on them.So this could be a damned if ya do,damned if ya dont situation.

[midwestbluntman]

I havent really keep track as to how far in flower they are.Im thinking that i have been harvesting alittle early in the past so i thought i would not start counting the days till buds formed.In reality they are along the 15 or 20th day,The stretch period is just about over I think,Vertical growth has slowed considerably.Ive been battling a low Ph problem for a few days,I chemically adjusted 2 nights ago and now it has leveled off at 6.0.I adjusted the ppm's up to 1000 from 880 last night,If there is no burn tonight i will bring it up again.well how about a few update pix:

http://www.homegrownbud.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=755&stc=1&d=1134647570


http://www.homegrownbud.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=754&stc=1&d=1134647570


There is a couple of the screen,I havent had to raise the hood in a few days so i think they are just about done stretching.


http://www.homegrownbud.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=751&stc=1&d=1134645889

http://www.homegrownbud.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=750&stc=1&d=1134645889

Here are a couple DIY macro's using a magnify glass with the cam.nothing spectacular but we can see the bud formage what little there is at this point.


Now we move to veg cabinet,
PPM's are at 1100
Ph is at 5.6
The pix look as if there is a bit of burn but it is the lights giving that apperance.

http://www.homegrownbud.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=752&stc=1&d=1134647570
http://www.homegrownbud.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=753&stc=1&d=1134647570


Im thinking of aborting my single screen after this grow and build 2 smaller ones that i can fill out in veg then transfer the whole lot to the flower box on there day to shine.i think that might cut alittle time off the over all grow period.I'll have to do some measurments and prolly so adjusting to the location of the bubblers.I may even hard pipe the return lines for a more permenant placement,we will just have to play that by ear for now tho.

[Mr Burns]

You're right it does look like nute burn MW. Having a veg room is something I aspire to and I'll be interested to see the hard piping.

[midwestbluntman]

Hard piping the system is something Ive been kicking around for a bit.Ive got this laying around doing nothing.


http://www.homegrownbud.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=840&stc=1&d=1134834252

It's a 40psi 1/8 hp aircompressor for an airbrush.Thought about hard piping the air to the bubblers off of this.Im not sure if there will be ill effects from the compressor like the possiblity of oils getting in my nutes and so forth.It is very quiet tho in comparision to air pumps and the volume of air would more than enough to run the whole show.Another question about it would be will it hold up under a 24/7 application or maybe pump it to a canister on a timer would be an option.


The stretch is all but done now,Ive had about 1 1/2" vertical growth in 3 days.Still battling low nite temps in the flower room but im workin on it.Im contructing a electric furnace for just the flower room,If this DIY works out then i will have alot better enviromental control on the room.Notice i didnt say complete control,thats because i havent got a cooling system for it yet,but thats on the planning table.
PPM's were down abit 1050,so i added a gallon of 3B 2M 1G about 1500ppm to the res.This should bring the overall PPM to about 1150.
On the past grows i always removed the fan leaves to obtain a better lite penatration,but this time im not.I want to see the ill effect of removing them, if any. So this grow is a learning grow for me,im trying HPS lighting and a few other things are diffrent also.

The veg box is due for another res change and a hair cut.By judging my bud formations and growth in the flower room Ive decided to hold off for another trimming to start clones.Ive lost one of my floro's,It took a shit on me last night.So a trip to wally world is in order,for 2 more cfl's and while im there might as well pick up a handful of airstones.I also need to run by Lowes and pick up some 3/8 tubing so i can move the res in the veg out side of it to make room for adding some scrog screens to the box.By doing this i hope to end up with a more filled out screen as it goes to the flower room.However with the veg box being considerably smaller Im going to loose canopy Sq Ft in flower,but light distrabution will be better.So kinda a rock and a hard place situation.

[midwestbluntman]

Today was a bit of a busy day for me,It was res change day for the veggy nutes.I had neglected this task for over a week,putting about 16 or 17 days on these nutes.There is only 4.5 gallon in the whole system,so a 10 day stretch on the nutes is prolly a bit much.I also had to give the larger one a hair cut,I topped all the tops that were in the lights.She is getting a bit bushy,I think this one plant would do a nice filling of the screen by herself and may be the way i go with it.

http://www.homegrownbud.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=887&stc=1&d=1135048761

well Here she is,after a good topping.Im not real sure just how old she is,but a god guess would be about 12 weeks veg.

http://www.homegrownbud.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=888&stc=1&d=1135048761

Here is a shot of her root ball,definitly in need of a hair cut.She is almost root bound in the small veg container,so tight that a suction noise can be heard when you pull her out of the container.I was advised to take clone before the haircut on the roots,so the hair cut will have to be posponed for another week or so.Im hopeing that the topping will slow her enough to gain the week i need before i pull cuttings.In the lower right of this shot you can see the younger of the 2.She is starting to fill out and catch up a bit.That is the near dead one from a few weeks ago.


http://www.homegrownbud.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=889&stc=1&d=1135048761

Here is a shot at screen level without a flash.

http://www.homegrownbud.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=890&stc=1&d=1135048761

And one with a flash

http://www.homegrownbud.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=891&stc=1&d=1135048761

And lastly a couple DIY macro's of the bud formage at this point.

http://www.homegrownbud.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=892&stc=1&d=1135048761

Room stats:
Im not going to include the veggy room now as res change last nite and its difficult to get an accurite reading rite after the nute change.It should stabilize by tonight and i will be able to get a good reading.

The flower box:
The flowering ladies are drinkin about a gallon a day.Inspite of my efferts to get the Ph up,they seem to be content with the low numbers.I bring it up and they bring it back down,Its crazy.Ive not added any bloom booster yet,prolly will introduce that in another week or so.Bloom booster seems to bottom the Ph out by itself,so there may be a Ph issue when i do add it,just have to wait and see.Im going to use koolbloom as the additive.
PPM's 1250
Ph 5.6
RH 36%
Day temps average 75
nite temps are still dipping to the cool range at about 65

[dredank]

Looking good and healthy2thumbs
:peace:

[CB]

that root ball could use a hair cut:D

perhapes a light trim around the edges is in order:p

[midwestbluntman]

Looking good and healthy

Thanks dred,Im fighting a timing issue .she is ready for the flower room but the room isnt ready for her.


that root ball could use a hair cut

perhapes a light trim around the edges is in order

I hadnt ever give a root haircut before that should prove to be interesting.Im going to give a week or so, so i can take some cuttings pryor to the scalping.

[Mr Burns]

Nice work MW. I gotta say I like the idea of the airbrush pump but is it built for prolonged use? Will you have a back up pump and adapters in case of failure? It was only a week ago I used a cheap chinese tyre pump on a vehicle. The ones that plug in the cigerette lighter socket. The tyre I was pumping was flat and after 15 minutes pumping and a half inflated RV tyre it was smoking more than cheech 'n' chongs cannabis wagon.
I was quite excited when I first seen that pump but I'm a bit wary on it's constant load capacity. Do you airbrush or is there someone you can ask?

The screen looks good. Something I'll need to think about although I'm going to be stuck for room with a 13 and a quarter inch doorway as it is. How do you manage to access the back of the grow? Do you find a need to and have you ever fecked up plant matter in disturbing the screen?

What about a new pump to save using the header/gravity bin, or have you found taking PH/ppm readings from it more valuble than replacing it?

Questions questions eh? Would you rather take on a res tank flush or questions from Burnsy? (Quiet at the back)

All in a good cause MW, all in a good cause.........

[midwestbluntman]

Alright 3 cups of coffe later i think im conscience enough to reply now.man im not sure if the airbrush pump will hold up under 24/7 application,so i was thinkin of pumping to a storage container and putting the pump on a timer.There will definitly have to be a bit of research before it goes inline with the bubblers.

The screen is 22"X34" so access isnt to bad for it,but ive got a normal size door.its a bit of a pita workin the plants from the underside in the back but managable.I havent had much plant damage but there is some to a small degree.being recirculating i dont really have a need to access the bubblers.everything can be tested at the manifold or res.
As for the feed thingy,a bigger pump would eliminate the need for it,but ima cheap bastard,well broke anyway.

well bro sorry for the short answers im in a bit of a rush gotta be in work early this morn i'll try to get a better answer up tonight.

[Mr Burns]

MW.
How often is your total flow exchanging and have you worked out litres of air pumped per litre/gallon yet?
I'm asking to compare.

<<<EDIT>>>

You're pushing roughly 500 litres per hour which is what I was thinking. That way mine would exchange twice an hour where as yours is exchanging roughly 20 times an hour. This may seem a pile of horse shit me bashing math about, but I wanna know what others are doing compared to my own thinking. That way we can all share points of difference and have hard data to cough up when the hash hits the fan.

You said: The moduals are powered by 2 50 gallon whisper airpumps with 2 1" airstones in each but do you know what litreage you're pumping in and what the air stones capabilities are? Or is air stone data non existant??

[az is]

Hey there BM...had to stop in n see just what sort of "cheap ass" operation u got goin heheh :D

Sounds more like rocket science heheh least compared to mine...sure looks to grow some awesome green tho...

:peace:

az

[midwestbluntman]

hey Azis,
glad you made it over to my lil corner.This lil setup is still a work in progress,got alot of things to sort out and a grow or two to line all the bugs and kinks out.Recirculations seems to be the way to go,Im having low Ph problems that seem to be a new development.I didnt have a low prob before till i added bloom stimulants and i havent yet.

Burnsy,
ya know i cant even tell ya what the liter of air per gal would be,im sure that data was printed on the packaging but i never even thought to look.i picked my air pumps by tank size recomendations which 1 pump was rated for more gallons than the whole setup has so there is a bit of overkill there,but they like air so more is definitly better than less.
The recirc pump runs 24/7 so it is exchanging about 10 times an hour,or once every 5 or 6 minutes.I really dont see how recirculation could have anything to do with my low ph,but that is just about the only diffrence between this setup and the last.It will be cool to have another with a recirc similar to compare.
I havent seen the plants since friday so not sure what to expect when i get there,should be home tommorow sometime but maybe thursday not sure how it will come together till i pull in the driveway.

[Mr Burns]

I'm sure all will be fine MW. I can't wait to go hydro myself. I look at dirt with distaste now.
Get some pics up for us when you get home?

[midwestbluntman]

Well I fucked around and let my recirc pump for the flower room run out of water,needless to say it went to shit.Ive been playin around witha 1/2 hp sump pump,but It's not going to work.It gets really hot and brings the nute temps up several degree's just running for a 1/2 hour or so.Im a bit disappointed rite now so I will make a better entry later.
well i grabbed a few pix thought I'd share.heres the pix...


http://www.homegrownbud.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=1169&stc=1&d=1136180017


http://www.homegrownbud.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=1170&stc=1&d=1136180017


http://www.homegrownbud.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=1171&stc=1&d=1136180017


http://www.homegrownbud.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=1172&stc=1&d=1136180017

[Mr Burns]

But they're still looking healthy as they could MW?
At least it was the nute pump that failed eh? How many air pumps are you using?

[midwestbluntman]

Thanks burnsy,they do look pretty healthy considering they were in below 60 degree water.Im not sure as to how cold it got my cheap thermo's only go down to 60.The cold has taken it toll tho,these girls have been flowering for almost 4 weeks now.Actually about 6 but i didnt count the 8 or 10 days with veg nutes under bloom lights.I was so discourged last nite i didnt even feed them.I pulled a res change and plain tap was as for as i got,Im really bummed about the pump.Santa brought me nothing for the hydro box this year,and that is alway first on my list to santa i must have been a bad boy this year.My job gave out gift cards for xmas[cheap bastards]I always use them to buy hydro supplies but this year the wife got her mitts on it and i didnt even get a bulb out of it.Just something about makin them[my job] buy hydro supplies makes my dick hard.Last year they gave what they called chamber bucks,It was a program threw the chamber of commerce,basically a book of coupons that you could spend like money at all participating area retailers.I picked up a bag of weed with them,and laughed at that retarded place with every toke.Can ya tell i hate my job?not really the job just the company i do it for.

How many air pumps are you using?

sorry bro i missed this ? I run 2 dual outlet pumps 1 for each tank.

[Cranky]

looking good there mid2thumbs how long these girlies been flowerign now bro????

real healthy looking and phat old pistals on um to;)

good show

cranky

[tripnoncid]

lookin good MWBM :)
trip

[midwestbluntman]

I finished the res change last nite,They had a 2 day flush cause i was mad at them over my pump.Still no replacement for the pump yet,guess the next lil flow of cash will land me a 300gph pond pump.The 120ghp i had in there i made work but was really to small for the application.


I started with the bloom booster on this res change,I added 1 1/4 tsp of KoolBloom to the flower nutes.I also had to bump up the ppm's in there.
PPM's were at 800 which was about 300 lower then where they were so i bumped that up.Not sure just where the ppm's are now as It takes a few hours to get a acurite reading,Ph was at 5.7 im hope'n to have brought that up a bit also.I was try'n to not remove any leaves to see if maybe that had something to do with the low yeilds.I try'd the ole tuck and roll with them but that didnt work out well.I ended up removing the humongus fans,ya know the ones that get bigger than your head.By removin them i gained alot of light penetration to the smaller bud sights.
Well how about a pic or two...

http://www.homegrownbud.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=1212&stc=1&d=1136377266


Here is a screen shot after the lil hair cut.


http://www.homegrownbud.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=1211&stc=1&d=1136377012



and a DIY macro of one of the buds.


The veg box is just a tangled mess,When i returned from the holiday travles they were all up in the lights and burnt.I abused them pretty good that day and now they are no longer in the lights.I snapped the stems about 4 inches below the lights so they would bend away from them,This seems to have worked for now.
PPM's are 1100
Ph is 6.2

[midwestbluntman]

Here is a few more DIY Macros.Im trying to figure out which is the best settings for the cam to get the best quality macro.

http://www.homegrownbud.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=1221&stc=1&d=1136461901


http://www.homegrownbud.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=1220&stc=1&d=1136461901


http://www.homegrownbud.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=1219&stc=1&d=1136461589


http://www.homegrownbud.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=1218&stc=1&d=1136461589

[midwestbluntman]

I had to chemicaly raise the Ph lastnigh,The bloom enhancer really pulls it down.Something will have to be done in the veg box for the next round,They have gotten so tall that ive started pinchin them over to make them grow horizonially.when i came home from the holidays they were all up in the lights and burned the shit out of several tops.I dont like that,it make the grow look shitty.They are due for a res change in a few days I'll pull all the dead burnt shit off then.


Flower box:
ppm's are 1300 - Still searchin for the sweet spot
Ph was low 5.2 - I added 2 tsp of chemical up Im lookin for 5.8-6.0 as that is the best nutrient availability per this chart.

http://www.homegrownbud.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=1232&stc=1&d=1136549625

Anyone know what the Mn[orange bar in chart]is and can i foliar feed that?
RH remains low around 30%



veg box:
ppm's are at 1200
Ph is 5.8
RH at 30%

Still no recirc pump for the veg box,Ive been manually drainin the bubblers back to the res once a day by holdin them up higher than the res and letting them run back to the res then set them down and they refill.Its a pain in the ass,and i dont do it near enough.should be done prolly 4 or 5 times a day but i dont have time for all that.

[Shadows]

Looking good MWB. MN is Manganese.
Instead of trying to suppliment it through foilare feeding, most hydro'rs will set their starting PH around 5.6 and allow the PH to drift up to 6.0-6.2 before dumping/refreshing the res. This is so they get full assimilation of the nutrients, without deficiencies.

[CB]

just like shadow I allso go for the swing in ph

I'm a little more agressive tho and will let mine go from around 5.2 up to 6.5

you are in control of what the plant gets and how much ;)

grow on bro 2thumbs

[midwestbluntman]

I guess its nute change time in the flower box.I have added a total of 25ml Ph up and it is still 5.5 last nite.In my past experiances alittle of Ph up goes along way,but the 25ml's hasnt even altered it.
In order for me to use the swing method above spoke of i would have to start high and let it drift to low as my swing is down not up.Do ya guys think i have my nutes to hot/not hot enough,cause'n the Ph to drop off like that.somethin is fucked,why am i the only one that gets a backward Ph swing?

[midwestbluntman]

Looking good MWB. MN is Manganese.

Thanks ND,Rite now i think thats about all they are livin on,My Ph has not gotten above 5.5 yet.After 25ml's of up and the Ph remains unaltered,Ive almost thrown in the towel on try'n to get it up.I dont have enough experiance with deficiences [or disease and bugs for that matter]to say that they dont look deficent,But they do look happy and healthy.

Well after 25ml's of Ph up the ph has rose .3.The ph was at 5.1 when this excursion started and was at 5.4 last nite.I havent done a res change in along time, maybe that should be the next step.I started this nute session on the 8th of December,however while i was away with holiday travels they ran low enough on water to burn the pump up so that was pretty close to a res change then.I think its something with the GH nutes,cause every grow ive had to battle the low Ph in flower.Ive got enough nutes for prolly 3 or 4 more grows,I might think about changin nutes when i run out.On the other hand, each grow has got better results,so maybe its more grower error than nute problems.either way i got a few more grows left in the bottles and we will see from there which way i go.

This grow has produced the best lookin buds so far, for me.Still along way away from being in the local 101 upperclass growers union , :teef: but nice lookin colas none the less.

I think ive decided to flower the veggin out in tree style,rather then scrog.On the next round,im thinkin of scroggin while they veg and flippin the lights after the screen is full.As opposed to veggin then puttin them under the screen to stretch.I think this might increase the yeild of colas and produce a better lookin scrog.Seems how im the only scrogger here at HGB,Im left to fend for myself,Its all trial and error.

[midwestbluntman]

Well its been a few days thought i would throw up some new pix.I finally got the ph to come up to the cannary yellow statis,It took 15 more ml's of chemical up and 3 gallons of tap water.This also lowered my ppm down to 1130 as of last nite.I threw a tsp of p-k boost at it and said goodnite,I will go out and see the damages in abit before i leave for work.

The veggin plants,Well they have grown into a closet bush.I have givin up on tryin to cut there growth i just keep smashing them down out of the lights every day.Another week or 10 days I'll pull another cloner full of cuttings,Im play'n on them to take another 7 to 10 days to root,and hope'n that the flowering will be done in the 20 days alotted for the clones to establish.

well enough rambling here's the pix:


http://www.homegrownbud.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=1329&stc=1&d=1137063647


Damn this one is sideways,i should have rotated it before the upload oh well.

http://www.homegrownbud.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=1330&stc=1&d=1137063647


It is pretty apperant that i need to play with the macro lens abit to get the focus worked out.

http://www.homegrownbud.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=1331&stc=1&d=1137063647


http://www.homegrownbud.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=1332&stc=1&d=1137063647

[midwestbluntman]

I truely believe i was running my nutes to rich cause'n the ph to drift way down.Now that it is up to canary yella,im able to control it a bit better with nutes or tap.Im going to do a res change today and let them ride on that one till the flush at the end,which im hope'n for another 14 or so days.Im think'n about cutting the grow out of the 3 part for this change and only adding the bloom and micro.Ive never tried this before,but i want to see if forcing them to use up what N they have stored if that will make them focus on getting done.Im planing on a 3 or 4 day complete dark flush at the end,dont know what to expect there as thats a new one also.This has been a bit of an educational grow for me,Im plan'n to do a few more educational grows also.I was reading a journal of a day by day bubbler grow, and saw him do some things that i thought was pretty cool,the dark flush was one of them.I also caught a little insight on how much of a role your enviroment play's on your grow.On the down note of this education i discovered that my enviroment sux and improvement has got to happen.Now for the hard part, to find a way to convince the wife that i need some grow supplies more than the bill collectors need paid.If it wasnt for poverty i would be a buyer not a grower.

well on lighter note,lol,I got a few more pix to throw up.Im on a quest to get a decent potm entry,Ive been play'n with macros.they still suck but are improving.I need to build a holder for the magy glass that i have to use to get in that close with my junk camara.Its not junk just not designed for what i want to use it for.Any way,here's the pix:


http://www.homegrownbud.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=1393&stc=1&d=1137339913


http://www.homegrownbud.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=1394&stc=1&d=1137339913


http://www.homegrownbud.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=1395&stc=1&d=1137339913

[CB]

I truely believe i was running my nutes to rich cause'n the Ph to drift way down.

was your ppm going up on it's own?

if not then the nutes are ok......

when the plants are maxed out they will puke so to speak and cause the ppm to rise.....

at this point i just back off about 100 ppm and the sweat spot kicks in

my Ph usually stabilizes at this point as well.....

water quilty has alot to do with Ph control as well and i have found RO water to be the most unstable.....

plants look good from what i see bro

grow on

[midwestbluntman]

`I done a complete res change last nite in the flower room,Ive taken the grow element of the 3 part out so they are getting no nitrogen for the last 2 weeks of growth.When i left them last night the ppm was 1200,I added another 10ml's micro and 15ml's of bloom,So the ppm should round off about 1300-1350.Anything less than that and i'll add a bit more tonight.Ph'ed it to 5.8,Im going to try to get a bit of upward drift,which in the past ive had to chemically bring it up.
The buds are starting to fill out nicely now,They still have a few weeks left so im hopeful of the outcome.Its apperent that im not going to reach the objective goal for yeild,But it will still be a nice harvest.

Well i grabbed a few more pix while i was in there,There is a couple canopy top shots and a couple macro.

http://www.homegrownbud.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=1415&stc=1&d=1137498940


http://www.homegrownbud.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=1418&stc=1&d=1137498940


http://www.homegrownbud.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=1416&stc=1&d=1137498940


http://www.homegrownbud.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=1417&stc=1&d=1137498940

[Mr Burns]

MW.
You can't be getting problems with a full canopy either? I know some worry about air circulation and so on but I like to fill the room like you have. 2thumbs

Hows it looking down at lid level?

[midwestbluntman]

Hows it looking down at lid level?

They are kinda bare down at lid level bro,I dont have a pic of it but i'll grab one at the next photo shoot.I trimmed most of the lower[under the screen] back a bit so they would devote more energy at the canopy.


My ppms went threw the roof,1550ppm and Ph bottomed out at 5.2.I took a gollan out and added 2 Ph'ed 7.0 gallons of tap.This brought the ppm's back online at 1380 i can live with that,but it didnt do squat for the Ph.So i added 4.5 ml up per gallon,this brought it up to 5.9,that was prolly a bit of overkill on the chemies.I had only let it recirculate for about 15 minutes to get 5.9 reading,so it may be alittle high tommorow after it completly mixes.I got a bit educated out of the whole ordeal,i learned that i need to prepair the nutes a day or so in advance of the res change to make sure everything is where i want it.

The veg box altho ive been neglecting it a bit more than i should is holding it own and doing good.ppm's were at 860 and the ph was at 6.1.I need to pull them out and grab a shot or two of them monsters,lol.They are bushes,I just keep bending them over away from the lights each day as there isnt much i can do.I think next weekend im going to pull some cutting,that will trim them up a bit.
Well thats about it for now,I'll grab some pix and get them up in a day or so..

[arnold layne]

hey bro-
the plants are looking awesome.
the whole ppm/ph thing does sound like the nutes are hot. just for kicks, put the ppm at 1000, the ph at 5.8, and see what it does. the fact that your ph is dropping and the ppm is skyrocketing indicates that the plants want way more water than nutes. see how low ya have to go with the ppm before the ph drifts up and the ppm drops.
the magic number's in there somewhere........
again, stellar job mw.
i'm loving those budshots......
peace-
arnold layne

[midwestbluntman]

Thanks AL
This is by far the best lookin buds ive grown yet.The biggest bud ive got is 8" long and 2-2 1/2 "round,and they got a good 10 days left,then im planning on given them a 4 or 5 day flush in complete darkness so about 2 weeks total left.
Im guessing on the 10 days,it could be abit longer or a bit less who knows.
see how low ya have to go with the ppm before the ph drifts up and the ppm drops.
Thats what im doing now bro,I went to 1350 last nite and tonight it was 1250 and the Ph was 6.0.So i added a gallon of 1250 and Ph'ed 6.0 so I'll know tomorrow if they are going up or down.So how did the move go bro?ya all settled in yet and ready to get it on again?We need more Hydro journals.Ive been doing alot of journal readin lately over at HC,Been seeing alot of stuff that others are doing and I havent tried yet.I will get this figured out one day.


I was a bit amazed,I thought all that chemical up it would be really up,but it was 6.0 by the meter.I need to do a drip test cause issues has arose that my meter may be a bit crazy.Other than all this Ph drama things are lookin good in the neighborhood.I can see the buds filling in and out each day.I didnt get a chance to grab any pix tonight but I will try again tomorrow.

[arnold layne]

So how did the move go bro?ya all settled in yet and ready to get it on again?
aaarrrgghhh.
trying to get into a suitable house here is a bit tough.
they want crazy $$$$ for a modest 2br house.
must be the premum ya pay for livin in an area where med patients are allowed 25 plants per patient.
i should have it up sometime in the not too distant.
i'm itching to break out the bubblers (yes, i even packed up my 5gal buckets and moved them 2000mi....don't ask...). there's some crazy genetics goin' around out here......can't wait to journal them.
:D
sounds like you're in the sweet spot with the nutes.....
the plants look like they're loving what you're doin'.
peace-
arnold layne

[midwestbluntman]

tonights vist to the grow was interesting,The ppm's were 1240 and the Ph was 5.8.So the plants eat alittle bit but the Ph went down.I added a gallon of 1250 ph 7.0 try'n to bring the system up but maintain the ppm.We will see tomorrow if it works out the way i want it to.

I added a 1/2 gallon of flower mix to the veg system,that should boost the P and K up a bit in there and im going to take cuttings saturday.

Well I got to take a few pix while i was in there tonight,soHere is one for Burnsy

http://www.homegrownbud.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=1464&stc=1&d=1137727308


This is at lid level bro.

http://www.homegrownbud.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=1465&stc=1&d=1137727305

look at the stem on this one,They all look like this.

http://www.homegrownbud.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=1466&stc=1&d=1137727305


http://www.homegrownbud.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=1467&stc=1&d=1137727552

[midwestbluntman]

Today was the first time i was in there since thursday nite,My Ph was way down at around 5.5 and the ppm's were 1490.I gave them 1.5 gallons of plain tap and an additional 15ml chemical up.well im hope'n for this to bring the Ph up to 6 and the ppm's down to 1150.It seems that 1250 is still abit to hot.
Tomorrow will be a busy day in midwest land,Ive got to do a res change in the veg box and i want to take a cloner full of cuttings.I want to start some AK-48 beans,but i need to go pick up some goodies for that,so that will be prolly monday or tuesday before i can pop them.I think im only going to germ 4,I will have to do some rearranging in the veg box to make room for 4 more plants if they all germ and grow.Then after i get a female that i can clone from I'll start the southafrican durban and try to get a female of it also.I can see a bigger grow space in my near future.

[midwestbluntman]

well i didnt get all of what i wanted,the Ph was at 6.0 but the ppm's didnt come down as far as i wanted them to,They are at 1300.The plants didnt seem to eat or drink last nightwater levels were all in good standing,so i left it with a big sniff of the buds,they smell so wonderful.Harvest day is just around the corner,prolly start my final flush on saturday.

[Mr Burns]

Westy. Remember you had the plant that fell in? Is that what's happened with the others in the pics? If so, was the reason the weight of the plants or the container material being flexible? It'd be interesting to know.

[midwestbluntman]

Well burnsy id love to say it was the weight of the plant,butI dont use any medium,just those little neoprene disks.What has happened is the plant is bent over to fit under the screen and the branches stretched out threw out the screen.When i bent it over it popped the disc down in the bubbler tank.Im going to have to find a way to keep this from happening.It wasnt bad this time as it didnt pop out till after the canopy was formed,so there wasnt much if any light getting to the root zones.The next round isnt going under the screen,im going to let them grow out tree style.So,this may be a larger problem then.Im almost possitive i'll have to tie them up as they start filling out with buds,but i'll cross that bridge when i get to it.
I want to start some AK48 seeds,this is the reasoning behind not screening the next round.The screen is wall to wall in the flower room and i wouldnt have the space to sex the AK if i screen,plus the vegging plants has just grown out of control,they are all tangled together by the branches.They out grew my veg cab 3 weeks ago or better.Ive been bending them over and smashing them down out of the lights for a long time.Ive got 2 begging for the flower room now,almost completly root bound.So i have answered my own question in the begining,yes you can rootbound in hydro.
This grow is so close to done,that it wouldnt matter much if i changed the way ive been doing things,but the next round i want to try a little diffrent feed schedule and such.

[midwestbluntman]

well tonights vist was sweet,ppm's were down just a touch and the Ph was at 6.1.So that is abit of a rise in the ph,and it did it by itself so we must be getting close to the sweet pot,even tho im chopping in about 8 days.Thats about it from here today,I'll try to get some pix up next entry.

[midwestbluntman]

today i was able to make 2 vists to the grow,one at 6 am and the other rite at lights on 7:30pm.well this morning the ppm's were at 1550 and the Ph was 6.1,I added a gallon of plain tap and went to work.Tonite when i got there the PPM's were 1280 and ph6.1,so all was well in the neigborhood.Im going to try to make 2 vists a day but sometimes that wont happen.some times i just say fuck it and roll back over and snore for another hour or so.

well im thinkin saturday i will start the final flush,so hangin day is just around the corner.I did manage to grab a few shots while i was there here they are.

well they are to big to fit the format so ill load them tomorrow

[CB]

Ive got 2 begging for the flower room now,almost completly root bound.So i have answered my own question in the begining,yes you can root bound in hydro.


just trim the root's back a bit bro ;) slow it down some until your ready to flower it

if there's still nice fresh white root's then all is good...


wont be long now and the HGB will be in jars :D

you have done a great job of over coming the elements this winter indeed

now summer is just around the corner :eek:

hmmmmmmmmmmm

grow on mid

[midwestbluntman]

just trim the root's back a bit bro slow it down some until your ready to flower it


yea bro thats what im going to have to do,even with the final flush comming on saturday that will still leave a 7 day wait for the HPS.I need to get my lazy ass to walmart and pick up some jiffy pellets,I havn't had to much success try'n to start freshly germed seeds in hydro.Clones are a diffrent story,I want to start 3 AK-48 seeds and hope for 1 female to clone from,Then its on.

well I resized the pix from last nite and here they are.

http://www.homegrownbud.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=1551&stc=1&d=1138271125


Here is the critter i found in the flower room last night,once i got the pic i couldnt find the bug again.I will and when i do its DEATH for the lil bastard.


http://www.homegrownbud.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=1552&stc=1&d=1138271125


This is my latest macro,and prolly one of the best ive been able to get so far.


http://www.homegrownbud.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=1553&stc=1&d=1138271125


And this is a shot of one of the better lookin buds in there.It is about 8" tall and 3" round.

[Jr. Greenthumb]

Hey Mid, You said you wanted to start 3 AK's and hope for 1 female. What if them seeds were Feminized and you get 3 females out of it?

I'll just give you some pointers on the AK-48 and you take from it what you want. I really like the way it grows in Hydro. I did try a couple in dirt and really wasn't all that impressed. The plant is really a light eater. Where some plants you can throw 1200-1500ppm of nutes at it. I haven't been able to get the nutes much over 800 ppm of Fox Farms nutes without burning it. So, just watch the nutes with it and at the very slightest bit of nute burn change your res. It is a very good plant at recovering too. I have had them look like I need to toss them out and they pulled thru with no problems eventually. In Flower, if you stress them too much the buds don't tighten up like you want them too. They get real fluffy and funny looking, look more like a hairball.

They also handle real good at being topped. I have experimented with them quite a few times and found they grow very well if you top them at the 5th internode then again at the 2nd one after that. When they get to the end of flower you end up with a boat load of bud sites at all about the same height. I grew one in a bubbler one time I got between 12-14 ounces off of and it was about 4' tall. The AK-48 is a very good producer, best I have grown yet. It also gives you more of an "UP & Energetic" High then anything else I have smoked. I found it best to chop the plant when the trichs are about 35% amber instead of waiting till they are further. You don't get anymore bud waiting that extra week or so and the taste changes a bit too when you wait. The plant is a very good grow so have fun and enjoy the smoke.

Now, as for the South African Durban x Skunk..... I found that didn't grow all that well in hydro. I had a few attempts at it and finally got 1 to grow in hydro but it didn't really do worth a crap to tell you the truth. Now, in dirt it does good. I grew them in dirt until they were big enough to put into hydro and after that they just fell on there face. So, good luck on them if you try them in hydro but I wouldn't count on much if any bud off of them. I also found they will start to pre-flower around 5"-6" on there own under 24 lighting. And if you clone it the clone starts to preflower soon after the roots take, under 24 hour lighting. It is definately a strange plant so have fun and don't get dissapointed if things don't work out with them. I don't know if it is just a bad strain of MJ or if it is just a very difficult strain to grow.

So hey, Good luck and I look foward to seeing these AK pop.

[Mr Burns]

You're getting addicted Westy. 2 visits a day? Before you know it you'll be in re-hab :p

Its sounding like your enjoying it more. Not that you ever sound epressed about it, but you seem to pick up on similar things to me and want them ironed out.

What's the expected or estimated yield?

[midwestbluntman]

Jr
man i appreciate the heads up on the AK,perhaps another test is afoot.both of my setups are recirculated to centrol resiviors.so maybe i need to rethink the combo of AK and G-13,or try a test run to see how the G-13 respondes to low nutes.Ive been noticing that they seem happy at 1250 and a Ph range of 5.8 - 6.2.ofcourse, this obsevation is present so in late flower they seem to like this range.In veg they like,Ph range of about the same.Up to the present ive been force feeding,which im thinking is why my ph stayed so low.Maybe they will like the slow nute regime,so that pretty much sounds like a test grow.Im sure after they pop i'll be hollering at ya bro,I will better understand the conversation when im seeing it unfold.

The southafrican durban,to be honest,I wasnt planing on messing with.At least for now.Maybe later down the road I'll pop um and see what i think of them.Ive got some BubblegumXhaze beans laying around also that i havent wanted to mess with.I grew it once and it didnt impress me that well but it was like my first grow and hydro on top of that.They wouldnt clone,so i lose intrest quick after i realized that.


Burnsy


You're getting addicted Westy. 2 visits a day? Before you know it you'll be in re-hab

:teef: damn it man,and i told the wife i wouldnt do that again,but your rite i am addicted.I love smokin it but i think i found something i love alittle more :teef:

What's the expected or estimated yield?

This is a hard one,We have robbed it pretty steady the last week or so,as christmas really put me in a pinch.Not only christmas but the factory i work at shuts down so theres a period where there is no check for a couple weeks.Anyway this grow would have im sure produced prolly 5 or 6 ounces,but now im leaning toward about 4.I hope anyway its hard to say tho.

[CB]

are you getting bottled neck :p

i just hate it when that happens

[midwestbluntman]

i'll edit later

[midwestbluntman]

alright so i forgot to edit the last,it was just a test to see if pic upload wasnt functioning correctly.

Well this journal is just about to come to a close,I spent a couple hours in the grow last night.I chopped all the flowering down and cleaned up all my bubblers and stuff.I still need to clean the room and run some bleach water threw the system for a bit then move the veggin bushes in.I didnt get any pix last nite im going to try to hold out till they are dry and manicured a bit before i snap a few.Still no sight of the critter in the above pic since i snapped that shot so it must have been just resting on it journey.

I started germinating 4 AK-48 beans a few days ago,2 popped rite away and 2 still hasnt.the 2 that popped hasnt done anything since the hull split to expose the tap,no new growth since.Im going to throw them in a jiffie and prolly start 3 more just incase they fizz out..I sure would like to add the AK to the winter lineup.

[XzoomD]

hey Midwest..I've scoped your journal a few times but never subscribed..lucky you, huh?:D ...reason being I never did hydro nor plan to soon and don't really frequent hydro forums much...I thought it might be time to make an exception. :D

[Jr. Greenthumb]

Hey Mid. As for the beans not doing anything since they popped. I have a question for ya about that. The taproot that came out, when it stops growing like that touch it very softly with your finger to see if it is just much. If so,I'm sure you know but, that means it was too wet in your papertowel.

With that aside, I look foward to seeing them in a new journal, so have fun smoking all that drying bud and don't get to vegged out on it bro....

We'll see ya in a couple weeks. :cool:

[Cranky]

If so,I'm sure you know but, that means it was too wet in your papertowel.


what about peeps that germ in water?????:rolleyes:

i find that when seeds go this way its either there crap or the temps have been to high when germing but thats jyust my opinion;)

also been awhile since i posted in the wild west coner,hope ya bud knocks yas on ya arse bro....

nice growing and looking forward to the next journal;)

cranky

[midwestbluntman]

hey xzoomd glad ya made it to the journal bro,ya know that critter i never did see it again.I looked the hangin plants over real well and the room while i was cleaning it up.


Jr
man i put them in a cup and soaked them for prooly 18 hours then to towel.they are not mushy or anything,well not real noticably.I'll give them alittle touch when i get in there again.

cranky
the premium buds are sweet bro,taste like its been dry'n in a perfume factory.I really like this strain,it is a pretty easy strain to grow and it clones real well.i cant really tell if its a great yeilder as we robbed it pretty steady,but im confident enough to say that the yeild is a pretty good one.


Last night i got the flower room all scrubbed down and the hydro set back up,and The plants from the veg box moved in.This was a chore,the plants had been veggin for way to long and i couldnt get the roots out of the lil bubbler in the veg box.had to trim up the roots a bit to get it out with minimum damage.Im on the look out now for something that will hold the plants up. with this mediumless setup and no screen they just fall over like.may end up building a couple sand tubes to hold them in place or something.

The veg box is in shambles,it is dire need of some major attention.I get in there tonight and get it back in order and possible take a few clones.

[Mr Burns]

Germing in water, something I always do even with some general gardening seeds for many years.
What I've found with MJ is the temps mustn't be high and you mustn't leave them in water past the tap reaching out more than the length of it's own shell.
I reckon 16-18 Celsius for MJ as I've had 100% even germing with this temp 4 times. Higher than that and I've had just what you're describing Westy. They feel and come apart like a cooked grain of rice between the fingers. I also use mineral water but with as even NPK as I can find. Theres nothing in that NPK bit but what I did find was some famous mineral water having very little or no N in the breakdown at all. In the end it was a rebadged Scottish spring that won my vote and it never let me down with the correct temps.

Then again, maybe it's all luck and your about to have a good turn?

[midwestbluntman]

burnsy
man ive about give up on this round of seeds.im going to try a few more in a jiffy and see if they respond alittle better.I'll keep you all posted on the progress.

[Mr Burns]

If you have access to a Cadiver you could pop some in its ass.

Be the best organic shit you've had in years.

Probably the cadivers best too come to think of it :o

Getting a little bad luck is like the sun being eclipsed. You get your dates wrong and wonder why everyone else has a bad neck.
It resides and then it passes through to someone else. At least you have good luck coming and not wondering when bad luck is gonna hit.
Glob glob glob Westy.

[midwestbluntman]

The harvest is in,I ended up with 140 grams in jars,and a ounce and a half that got quick dried.so total yeild was in the area of 180 grams,not to mention the 2 1/2 weeks we robbed it for a quick buzz.I'll get some pix today to close this journal out with.

All in all im fairly pleased with the outcome of this test grow.I am a beliver now that HPS is the way to go for flowering.Im hope'n to add another hps light to the show very soon.

[Mr Burns]

So whats next for the Midwest camp?

[arnold layne]

nice haul bro.
hows the smoke report?
:D
peace-
arnold layne

[midwestbluntman]

burnsy
man i got some wrXwr beans and some AK 48 beans,so im prolly going to do a 3 strain grow.I got 2 G-13 in flower now i havent started any of the other two strains as of yet.but, im planning to this weekend now that the OG scare is winding down.



AL
bro this g-13 is just the bomb,it has a sweet perfume taste with a knock out punch at the end of the ride.seems to have a bit of a creeper effect,im alot higher about 15 minutes after i smoke then i was when i was smokin.Ive only got 400 watts so the buds are a bit fluffy,id like to add another 400 or maybe a 600,i just dont have the electric to support it.

[Mr Burns]

OG scare is winding down.

I missed something Westy. OG? OverGrow?

[LdyLunatic]

burnsy

bro this g-13 is just the bomb.


heck i have to agree here midwest.....Hashplant was my favorite.....till i tried the G13....my god....it is as you say the bomb ....certainly packs a creeper punch http://www.freesmileys.org/emo/gen010.gif

[arnold layne]

Ive only got 400 watts so the buds are a bit fluffy,id like to add another 400 or maybe a 600,i just dont have the electric to support it.
ya know, i've been thinking about my future garden, and the electrical requirements....
i doubt i'm going to find a rental unit that's set up the same as my last house (since i owned it, i had rewired the place to allow for 2-20a and 1-15a circuts in the grow room), and have been thinking about digital ballasts. they are supposed to put out more light more efficiently (some reports say a 600w puts out near as much light at a 1kw coil ballast).
they're supposed to draw much less current, and i think it would be easier to run multiple ballasts off of a sigle circut with them...just a thought.
oh......
the smoke report made me drool.
:D
peace-
arnold layne

[Dawg]

anything goin on in the westie labs of late? :watch:

[midwestbluntman]

nah man,The kids have reached syko age,im pretty much done growing till they move out.got the bubbler and lights all in storage waiting for the day.would love to start a grow tho,especially when it dry's up around here rite before and rite after harvest season.