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[Shadows]

Well, I've spent more time trying to come up with a journal title then I could deem necessary. I hope you all enjoy the generic quality this one brings to the table.:p

This hopefully will be the journal to bring me back into the grow. I've become a bit disjointed the past couple of months due to a few minor and one major issue and now having most of that aside I realize that I have no earthly idea as to the dates my plants went into flower or when the clones were taken that are sitting in veg now. I've also had a few over fert cycles as I had not been tracking feeding schedules. Back when I did keep up on all this stuff, I had a journal online and notes at home. Hopefully this one will kick start the other and I'll get back on track.

So heres where I stand right now (pictures will be coming as soon as my computer is back to 100%, I had a virus take me for a loop and had to reformat)
In veg I have 2 Sweet peas (about 6" tall), 2 sensi stars ( between 5-8"), 1 Golden Skush (7"), 2 Afghani (both revegs, only 1 showing promise), 1 White Widow, 1 Mystery blue and 3 freshly cut clones that were stuck in soil today ( 1 SS, 1 GS and 1 WW).

In my Flower box I have a Golden Skush that is getting the chop tomorrow, 1 bubble funk ( the last) that is 2 weeks from harvest, 1 Sensi Star in a 22oz cup as a bud scicle grow about 3 weeks into flower and the last 2 of my Sativa influence Golden Skush.

As always Im experimenting with a different hydro setup. Still trying to use a 1 gallon tote, but this time Im using a water pump to cause turbulance in the tank and keep it oxygenated. I have an air pump on stand by incase this isnt sufficient. The Afghan that wasnt doing much got transplanted to this system, and Im using Aquatic Plant Soil as the medium. So far it has shown some light growth (been in the system for 2 days) but she still doesnt have her roots in the tank yet. Im using Pure blend Pro nutrients at this time, but Im going a different route at flower time. That'll be a different discuss for a different time. Let me get back to the other particulars to this journal and my setup

My veg setup has changed a good deal in the past few months. I was using 2 rubbermaid tubs for veg, but am now using a 18dx24wx30"t storage cabinet from K-mart. Well worth the 30 bucks IMO. A little hard to light proof but makes a great booth. The lighting in this cabinet consist of 3 26w 5500k compact flourescents and 1 22w 2200k compact flourescent. Exhaust is handled by a 4x4 12v computer fan and there is a lasko blower fan for circulation. So far I have really been pleased with this setup. Im getting excellent growth rates compared to my old setup, and accessing the plants is much easier.

For Flower, Im using a 250w HPS in a 18d/28w/36" tall steel cabinet I had made just for this. There are 2 4x4 12v computer fans exhausting the air through a 2" carbon section. A third 4x4 12v computer fan controls the circulation in this box. Temps were rather high (topping around 95f) but that all changed when a 4th fan was installed 6" from my closet door and a 5th one mounted to exhaust air into the airspace between the joist in my floor. The 4x4 fan located near the door is connected to 4" dryer vent flex, that is ducted into the top of my flower box and discharges right on the light. This has dropped my high temp from a scalding 95, to a dry 88. Rh wasnt an issue in the summer, but now when the heat runs RH drops considerably low. That'll be an ongoing issue in itself.

Well, that'll be all for now. I'll be back to update this properly when my computer is back to par and I've got some pictures to share. Be fore warned, the past month has been difficult on the ladies but I'm pulling them out of the slump now.

Shadows

[CB]

I'm really stoned at the mo so i will reread again later:D


I have an air pump on stand by incase this isnt sufficient.


if ya have a air pump why not just use it:shrug:

i will be back later and check out the haps....time and where does it go ya know:rolleyes:

grow on bro

oh ya I played on your title invite lol

[Mr Burns]

Shadows.

We've been in the same company before, but I'd like to say a big hello all the same.

In veg I have 2 Sweet peas (about 6" tall), 2 sensi stars ( between 5-8"), 1 Golden Skush (7"), 2 Afghani (both revegs, only 1 showing promise), 1 White Widow, 1 Mystery blue and 3 freshly cut clones that were stuck in soil today ( 1 SS, 1 GS and 1 WW).


:rockon:

Mixed grows eh! You got me turned on to this one Shadows, as well as the numbers........ :eek:

I'l go back and read the rest now...... :p

B.

[midwestbluntman]

shadow,
man the flop of the old world turned me upside down also,lost all my pix and all my stat info.The only records i keep here at home are my daily ppm Ph readings,everything else is usually stored on the boards.

Sounds like the new veg box will be a great asset to the show cant wait to see the pix.
Thank god for cb and the rest of the gang,now we wont have to worry about a flop again.I think HGB is here to stay.



:grow:


:peace:

[Palindrome]

Hey shadow
Sounds like a nice litte grow ya got going on and a fine little veg closet, looking forward to see some pic's and good luck with the harvest tomorrow mate.

Palindrome

[Mel]

grow bro grow... ya know!?!:gthumb:

[dredank]

nice strains, think ive seen you at TW, Welcome here, :bong:

[milagro]

Hi ND,( I find it hard to call you by your last name. :shrug: )



Glad to seeya back in action.

How are you feeling?

I am humbley ready to be reindoctrinated into the world of growing knowledge.:cool:

Pass the doob. :D



milagro

[Shadows]

Well, I see I have some familiar faces in here, I'll get to the replies in just a bit


Starting with a walk through of veg. Its still easier to remove all the plants and take their pictures then it is to photo them in veg

Pict 1 - My 2 Sensi Stars in veg. SS is such an easy plant to grow. She has endured almost the same trama as her sisters to follow, but is emerging scar free.

Pic 2- My 2 Sweet Peas are next. You can see where they have suffered from the underfeeding episode. That yellowing is old and has just been haulted. Both of them have their tops turned down

Pic 3- This is an Afghan that is just coming out of reveg. Not sure of her fate as of yet since reveg's (for me) tend to be the lowest yielders. I may take a clone and toss the reveg stock, then restart with the clone. guess we'll see how the wind blows for me in the weeks to come

Pic 4- My sickly GS in veg, well once a sickly chick, now she just wears the scars of her battle. This is what happens when you feed a vegging chick full stregnth flower ferts by mistake. A flush took 3 days to stop the damage and now all her lower growth is looking great.

Pic 5 and 6- These represent the next to enter flower. The WW is next with the SS following her. Then comes Sweet Pea and GS. Thing is, all of these will be in flower by next weekend so I have 4 transplants to do SOON!

[peakguy]

Hey ND, nice to see you here. I thought you had harvested some plants a while ago and that was why we weren't hearing from you. Glad you're back.
peace

[Shadows]

My last attempt at flower pics was interrupted by a visitor, so lets see how my luck goes now.

Picture 1- besides being poorly out of focus this is the only representative (size wise) shot that I was able to get of the indica GS that was harvested today.

PIcture 2- This is a close up shot of the main bud on that plant.

Picture 3 - This Bubble Funk has really taken a hit. She got feed 2 times in a row with flower ferts. Pretty much stripped her of all her lower growth and has done considerable damage to her other fans. Shes been flushed and has been fed since the incident with no ill effects, she just looks like hell and is gonna be a terrible yielder. Which by the way is typical for her (poor yield so so high) which is why she too is heading out the door.

Pictures 4 & 5 - These are of my last 2 sativa variety Golden Skush. They are both revegged cuttings taken at the same time but one was topped while the other was left to do its thing. Im not a big fan of revegging cuttings as it seems to impact the growth rates of the plant. The buds also do not get as tight or as big. There may be more of them, but less impressive.

And thats pretty much it for the grow. I've left a few plants out of the picture but they will all get their turn as time progresses.

[Shadows]

Hello CB
if ya have a air pump why not just use it
Noise is the biggest issue. My grow closet is off my family room and I have 4 kids. 1 would definatly ask about the buzz in the closet. There is also the issue of the planned failure. If the pump does work I'll use it for my larger scale hydro attempts. If it doesnt I'll trash and find a good way to quiet down the air pump.
oh ya I played on your title invite lol

LOL, works for me


Hello Mr Burns,
We've been in the same company before, but I'd like to say a big hello all the same
I'd be more then happy to meet you (virtually) again, lol.. thanks for hanging out.

Mixed grows eh!

What can I say, I like variety and since my wife says I'll be dead before I cheat on her I do what I can.


Hey midwestbluntman,

man the flop of the old world turned me upside down also,lost all my pix and all my stat info.

Yeah, I've spent the better part of the past 24 hours searching for driver disks for my outdated stuff and trying to get everything back up and running. You notice my camera software and editing software were high on the list, lol.

Thank god for cb and the rest of the gang,now we wont have to worry about a flop again.I think HGB is here to stay.

Yeah those guys have gone the extra mile to create a very friendly website. Much props to them. Now if I can talk them into 800x800 pixels on uploaded pictures we'll be on track.:flog:

:) Palindrome,
Sounds like a nice litte grow ya got going on and a fine little veg closet, looking forward to see some pic's and good luck with the harvest tomorrow mate.

Thanks bud. The harvest went off without a stich and shes hanging by her heals. I'll be happy to post new pictures of the new veg space but it will be a while before my neck muscles are flexible enough to do that one. takes a much twisted body to make it work


Hidi HoMel,
grow bro grow... ya know!?!
Yeah bro, I know
You reap what you soe.
So cut your clones and let them go
Keep them happy and watch'em grow.


Hello dredank,
nice strains, think ive seen you at TW, Welcome here
TW? whats a TW? :confused: Maybe TW = Total Waste? Just messing man. Good to see you here as well and thanks for the welcome.

:ciao: milagro

Hi ND,( I find it hard to call you by your last name. )

Hmm, shall I petition CB and see if a name change is possible? Otherwise, ND works fine for me, lol

How are you feeling?

Well, I graduated from the hard collar to a soft collar yesterday, so that has my mood much improved. My neck muscles are sore as all get out from not using them at all over the past 2 weeks but before long I'll be back to myself.
Thanks for asking

I am humbley ready to be reindoctrinated into the world of growing knowledge.
LOL, me too lol..

Good to see ya peakguy ,
Hey ND, nice to see you here. I thought you had harvested some plants a while ago and that was why we weren't hearing from you. Glad you're back.

LOL, they are partly to blame, but they are probably more responsible for me being able to post at all last week then anything. The Dr had prescribed me 2 different "codone" medications for pain (hydro and oxy) and neither of these offered me any relief. Smoke a J though and feel much better. You'd think they'd use stuff that worked ya know.

[Shadows]

Well boredom sits in quick in a perpetual grow, so just a few hours ago I dropped 2 beans in some soil, ungerminated. 2 beans, 2 strains, 1 shot at a female each. To be honest, a male would be nice at this point. I'd like to pollenate some of my existing strains to see what I get. To add to that though, after this group of four makes it into flower I'll be dropping 3 more seeds, strains unknown ATM. Oh yeah, the strains I dropped are Sensi Indoor mix and a R2G crossed with either a WW or Mr Nice.

You know, I have some seeds that I suspect are sativa dominant given the providers preferences in highs. My box isnt exactly suited to a sativa grow, but it would be interesting. Maybe I'll toss a few of those for the next seed run? anyway, just thinking with my fingers.

night all,
shadows

[XzoomD]

hey Shadows

I was just poking around and saw your journal....so thought I would say hello.

[CB]

just thinking with my fingers.



this allways seemed to get me trouble:rolleyes:

cant ya hang that pump so noice is not a concern?

there's gota be a way if there's a will;)

[Shadows]

Hey XzoomD, I thought I'd seen you here. I have not been able to open my hotmail account for a few days, otherwise you'd have heard from me sooner. Good to see ya bro.

CB, the noise issue was always from the stones. I could stop the resonating sound of the pump, but the pulse it sent through the stone I used made a hummm. Is there a way to mount the stone in the bucket so it doesnt do that? I tried several ways, and hot glueing it to the bottom was the worst.

[XzoomD]

hey shdws,

try a gmail acct..??

I'm just stabbing in the dark here...I have not read word for word what the air-stone is for...your posts out distance my attention span..heh j/k..your journals are one of the most descriptive out here ;)..anyway, depending on how big the thing is you are using the stone in..they have bubble wands for aquariums..the smallest is prolly..hmm..6 inches ??..they attach with small suction cups and can be put on the bottom ..if they will fit..in my aquariums a usually put a drop of silicon in the cup before I fill the tank...another option is what I use in my clone bubbler..or was..just water now..but it is a flexible tube with a black foam-like cover..it is weighted too..somewhat, anyway..they may even have clips for the air-hose that you could silicon them to w/e youre using..??..they also have air-pump racks thast hang on an aquarium..mayb you can rig something like that..foam rubber under the pump quiets it some too. haha..damn..I hope I'm not just zooming..haha..lil hyper from my saturday morning/afternoon java n joints.

[CB]

CB, the noise issue was always from the stones. I could stop the resonating sound of the pump, but the pulse it sent through the stone I used made a hummm. Is there a way to mount the stone in the bucket so it doesnt do that? I tried several ways, and hot glueing it to the bottom was the worst.

say bro

i found these at my locol hydro shop ....

there weight'd and stay put at the bottom just fine

i run 2 of these in my 5 gallon bubbler with no sound at all...

I allso tape my pump to the side of the bucket real tight and get very little if any at all noice from it

this one has seen 4 grows so far and has a few left in it so 8 bucks a stone paid off i think;)

never tried the bubble wands but heard alot of good QC's on them and have even looked around my neck of the woods for them but no kuck

[XzoomD]

doh, I have one of those in one of my 55 g aquariums....yea, those are prolly even better than the wands or flexible thing...good call cb!

I think I would still use a drop or two of silicon to hold it to the bottom. air-hose sometimes gets memory that won't let it just lay on the bottom..in my aquariums anyway. If I'm high..I always seem to see something that should be moved or rearranged..haha..maybe I should say deranged..heh-heh :LD one of the reasons I like these is that if you up the power of your pump..they really kick out the bubbles. btw, have any of you hydro ppl ever tried an aquarium powerhead w a venturi?..just curious.

cb, have you tried looking in aquarium/pet shops?..I can't imagine them not carrying them..???..but again, you have have the best option with the circular bubbler..b/c the wands are retty brittle and can chip and crack fairly easy.

[Shadows]

Thanks guys, I've never ventured into a local hydro shop and the first and only one was a year ago in colorado, lol. I've seen the wands you speak of zoomy at walmart, I'll try popping in there one day and get one, I need more air tubing anyways.. Ya'll do make good sence though, why bother messing about?? The only thing is, I dont have any hydro nutes for flower, just a soil mix with addatives to get it there. Like I say, planned failure, lol...

To explain more about the flower nutes I was gonna try, its a soil blend for orchids. Its really the only fert I've used in veg and flower for the last 8-9 months. Every time I've checked PH after dosing it up its between 5.8 and 6.2. I have epsom salts and CaCl for magnesium and calcium. I'd also be supplimenting with a mild dose of the PBP veg fert to keep my N level high and a little bit of all those other nutrients and the fulvic acid.. Sorry, got side tracked there, the nutrient line is Better Gro Orchid. It contains no urea and includes a good bit of trace elements. I've used it on 1 plant in a soiless mix, it produced ok considering my lack of attention, but the biggest thing was it didnt react negatively to the nutrients.

I'll set up the bubbler when I get more air line, then I guess we'll see if it works, lol..

oh yeah zoomy, I like to type. Would you like for me to start including an summary section to my post?? lol

[Shadows]

So, what has the weekend produced? Well the hydro enthusiast will be happy to know that I am now running a bubbler instead of trying the floaming pump. I've silenced the pump by placing it on 2" of foam, and I've only dropped the air stone in which has removed its clatter.

I also placed a White Widow in the flower box. Before doing so I attached a screen to the planter so I could also do a Scrog with her. This is her first period of darkness, so I'll try to get a good picture tomorrow of how she looks. The screen is actually a metal grille off one of those halogen torch lamps that is roughly 8" round. If the modular Scrog works well I'll be setting other plants up the same way.

Still nothing to report on the seedlings progress, but I suspect I'll soon have a new baby or maybe 2. As a precautionary act, I placed the last 3 Sensi Indoor mix beans and 4 Mr bubble poisons in wet paper towels for germination. I have the room now for around 4 babies and in another few days I'll have the room for more. I'll try to plant as much as germinates, but if space is tight the sensi indoors get priority.

Today I took the time to make a reflector for my veg lights. Nothing much just 2 panels of 3/8 foam board 5" x 22" taped to the light bar. Not much light passes now and its much brighter below. This has also improved my circulation through the plants by channeling the air past the lights and plants. Works well. I'll also try and get a picture of this up next chance as that will surely make more sence.

A sample bud was taken of the Bubble Funk in flower that revealed 90% cloudy trichs, but at the same time a second burst of pistils was seen. She has about a week left before maxing out and has been on water only for a week already. Maybe a small kick of flower nutes tonight and a flush in a few days will be appropriate?

[Mr Burns]

Maybe a small kick of flower nutes tonight and a flush in a few days will be appropriate?


Pictures would! 2thumbs

Burnsy.

[high2dsky]

Pictures would!.


i second this motion:peace:

[TILT!]

... you mean your kids don't want to know what's in a closet that doesn't buzz??!! You keep them that stoned, ND?!
My smile took an uplift and I felt a good bit happier in this new site when I found your thread. That's what 4 kids does to you :D .
Keep bending them babies (the plants I mean not the kids).
:rockon:TILT!:rockon:

[Shadows]

Pictures 1 & 2 are of veg. In picture 1 you see the left side, inwhich there are 2 Sweet Peas, and 3 freshly rooted clones. Picture 2 is the right side showing 1 GS indica, 1 Afghan in soil, 1 Afghan in hydro, 2 Sensi Stars and my oldest baby.

Picture 3 expands on that oldest baby, however this picture is a day old and she no longer looks that way. I do say oldest instead of only because I had 2 more babies ( Mr Bubble Poisons) pop up today. Still no sign on the Sensi Indoor Mix. In a last stitch effort I put a little pressure on each shell to pop the seam. I've heard Sensi Seeds can have a hard outer shell and that help may be required, however I still dont suggest it unless you've already given up on the seeds.

Picture 4 is just a shot down one side of my new reflector hood. I dont think its possible to SEE the difference in the light the plants receive. I think the biggest advantage to it is channeling the air through the plants. Keeps the temps well in range. Before hood it was 85-89 with lights on, now its 82 max in the canopy.

5 and 6 are the White Widow Scrog that just went into flower a few days ago. She's only grown a little since 12/12 though, Im hopeful the stretch kicks in soon and builds a nice canopy of buds.

If you look back to the last set of pictures, you'll see 2 golden skush (sativas) pictures after just going into flower. This is one of them, however Im too lazy to go back right now and say just which one it is. So thats the last two pictures, 7 &8.



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Burnsy, high2dsky, here ya go guys

!TILT!- Bud I hope my kids never venture into that closet. That would end it all just like that. I'd be done growing for as much as 18 years, ya know? Gotta be safe.

Happy Thanksgiving Everybody

[XzoomD]

yea, much better..great job! 2thumbs

[Shadows]

Thanx Xzoomd!

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Veg - First we'll discuss the seedlings, of which there are 3 now. 2 bubble poisons, 1 R2g. The R2g is the oldest by about 3 days and has spit out her 3 finger leaves already. The BPs are slowly working on theirs, but are very healthy and growing fine.

I used up the last bit of soil I had to transplant 1 Sweet Pea and 1 Golden Skush. These 2 will sit in veg until they need their first watering, then they go to flower. When they leave, 2-3 more will get transplanted and I'll be able to start some more seedlings.

The 3 cuttings have rooted (GS, SP,WW) but have yet to show new growth, just a little light green up top and the stems no longer twist in the soil. So The roots are in, they just havnt grown enough to support growth. They'll be moving closer to the light as soon as I see the right signal, or significant upward growth.

The hydro attempt is ticking me off. The plant is still alive and doing ok, but my issue is the Aquatic Plant Soil. It retains alot of moisture, and compacts pretty tightly around the roots. So the roots cannot really go in search of the water, nor do they need to with the supply the soil holds. I have a new lid setup and a new tank of water. I'll be setting it to around 350ppm of veg and starting the baby in that tonight. This one will have the roots directly in the water, no net pot or support. The hope is to attach a screen before flowering, so proper support isnt a big issue.

As for flower, its like a ghost town in there, lol. Im used to having 5 plants in there fighting for space under the lamp, now I have 3. They are doing well though and the GS sativas are spitting out hair clusters at every node. Finally their stretch has ended and they are on to flower production. They both got fed on Friday night, then water late last night. Both although a little light green, are doing very well.

The White Widow Scrog is coming along good also. Im finally seeing some initiation of flowering on her as the stretch has just kicked in. Im not sure how long to train this girl though because it is my first real go with this strain. I also need to figure out her feeding requirements, but so far shes happy with what I've done. I'll be shooting some new pics this week to display the new babies, and some other misc stuff. only down side is there is no planned harvest for atleast 3 weeks, and I just have enough bud to last me 2. gonna be interesting, lol.

[Mel]

As for flower, its like a ghost town in there, lol. Im used to having 5 plants in there fighting for space under the lamp, now I have 3. They are doing well though and the GS sativas are spitting out hair clusters at every node. Finally their stretch has ended and they are on to flower production. They both got fed on Friday night, then water late last night. Both although a little light green, are doing very well.


That GS is a jumper, jumpiest strain I have. However unlike most "jumpers" I have run into, GS fills in the gaps. GS is my ultimate Kola strain. They get thick and chunky too after filling out. I have been goin 53-58 daze in flower how bout you?

[Shadows]

Oh man, I love the indica variety of the GS I have. Wonderful bud formation with thick chunky buds and a nice dusting of crystals. The high and taste are awesome as well. The last one I did went 8-9 weeks and was 90% cloudy 10% amber at the chop.

The sativa however is crap. gets leggy and stretches bad. the flower sets are so brittle I cannot have her infront of a fan cause it'll blow the hairs right off. the taste remindes me of Grapefruit, with a citrussy aftertaste, and I do not like that. Nor do I like that despite how well she grows and branches out, she is my worse yielder. If I took a similar bud from each plant, the indica would outweight it by 75% dry.

[Mel]

Oh man, I love the indica variety of the GS I have. Wonderful bud formation with thick chunky buds and a nice dusting of crystals. The high and taste are awesome as well. The last one I did went 8-9 weeks and was 90% cloudy 10% amber at the chop.

The sativa however is crap. gets leggy and stretches bad. the flower sets are so brittle I cannot have her infront of a fan cause it'll blow the hairs right off. the taste remindes me of Grapefruit, with a citrussy aftertaste, and I do not like that. Nor do I like that despite how well she grows and branches out, she is my worse yielder. If I took a similar bud from each plant, the indica would outweight it by 75% dry.

Glad I did not ge that variety, the seeds I had al grew into fine felmales of exceptional quality Perhaps you saw them on another site, if so are my varieties different from yours? I think the worlsd of the variances I have.

[Shadows]

What you have appears to flower out like my indica GS. Theres actually a bud shot of her on page 2, right before she was chopped down. I tell ya, she produces the tightest buds I've grown and a good bit of them.

As an aside, I had a good friend over the other day who only smokes on the occasion. He took 1 bong hit of the GS indica and was blown. Dude didnt even finish the bowl, just the first hit and that was it.

[Shadows]

Well lastnight I finally made the last adjustment to the hydro setup. When I get home this afternoon I'll know how it went. Basically what I did was remove the clone from the APS, then threaded the roots through the hole on my new lid. The stem was wrapped in a foam material to make it fit the hole I made (did this to allow for a growing stem). The solution in the bubbler consisted of 3/4 of a gallon of water, 4 mil of PBP veg and 1 tsp of H2O2 (water was made in advance with the H2O2 in it, nutes were added the next day). If her responce to the bubbler is good I'll have to flower her soon so the root mass doesnt displace too much water, only having 3/4 of a gallon will mean daily topups and a change out every 2. Thankfully I have no plans that drag me away from home for the next 2-3 months.

I dont expect I'll need to do anything today except inspect the health of the roots, and check the PPM/PH. Man, I hope this works.

As for the rest of the grow, Im having some annoying Mg deficiency on a few of my plants. Mostly the ones that need transplants because their soil doesnt retain many nutrients to start with. I feed every other watering with nutrients, and I was hitting them every 2 weeks with Mg, appears I need to step that up some and start my Ca suppliments.

Flower is pushing on very well though. The 2 GS's are ahead of their normal schedule by about 2 days and although still an off green, they are still growing great. The WW is slowly filling the screen with upper and lower growth. The way it looks, I'll have little to no branches that will not be at canopy height at the end of the stretch.

I found my camera (6" from where I last looked when I gave up) and will be shooting baby pics tonight. The 3 are doing well, R2G has moved on to her third node and the MBP's are on their second. they are all growing well.

Good day all
shdow

[Mr Burns]

Shadows.
Is this your first Hydro? Forgive my ignorance :(

Burnsy.

[Shadows]

Shadows.
Is this your first Hydro? Forgive my ignorance :(

Burnsy.
Well, I tried a bubbler over a year ago but water temps caused me issues. Then I tried a flood and drain setup that was doing good, until my water cycle was no longer sufficient to keep the nutrients well oxygenated and now Im onto another bubbler attempt.

This time the water temps have been much more in range, but the APS (aquatic plant soil) was so dense that it was preventing strong root growth. Now all the APS is gone and my roots are directly in water and today will be 24hours in the new setup. Since the camera is located I'll get a pic of the hydro next chance as well.

oh yeah, Im not so much interested in this bubbler being a super success. I want to see if I can take a plant through flower in a 1 gallon bubbler without having issues. If it does work ok, I'll be buying hydro nutrients and making 3 different bubblers (each 3 gallons) to fit in my flower box that will have screens attached and each will hold 3 clones. anyway, its a future thought, hopefully it will come around to me. until then, Im happy in soil

[Mr Burns]

I gotta say, I was interested in bubblers but mainly cause they sound so simple. Thing is the more I read the more I see it has technical flaws as any medium does, just more harsh being a wet set up.
I don't think it's an experience thing either. Some I've seen go in after a single soil grow and succeed, yet some having many soil grows under their belts failing.
For me the biggest advantage of soil is time spent in the room. Pots you slop in and GTF out. Hydro seems to become a love of mechanics and mathematics, which are just about at the other end of the plateau for me when I'm stoned.
Good on you for doing it though ND. When I do try it'll be bubblers so I'll be lookin in more closely.

[Cranky]

me to burnsy,im following along to shadows;) i mean...how hard can it be???add abit of this then add abit of that then add abit this to compansate for that,stick a meter in and alls fine right??

lol ok mybe not but in theory it always sounds eisier;)

when im up and running again ill be giving this bubble lark ago for sure...been saying it long enough now so ya,,,ill be blowing bubbles soon also me thinks2thumbs

im watching shadows.
good luck

cranky

[Shadows]

This is the first time I've seen the new size posting limits on pictures. Well done guys, makes things much easier although I wish I would have known first, lol.. heres pics.

First up are a few shots of my new babies. They've been above the soil now a few days and looking good. The largest is the R2G and is a day older.

After the babies we take a gander at the hydro lady and her roots. The roots are looking poorly, but this is an improvement from yesterday. Still havnt started PPM readings, but Im just trying to see something positive at this point.

Pictures 5 and 6 are the next set of girls going into flower. 5 is SweetPea and 6 is my GS indica.

and 7 is just a shot of inside the veg box. Not an overall shot, but the best I could get and it shows the largest of the plants in there.

[Shadows]

Did I mention flower? Heres how things are going in there so far.

Picture 1 is an overall shot of flower. Theres 5 plants in there now and its looking pretty good. still room for more though and I'll be doing that in just a bit of time.

Heres a few shots of one of my Golden Skush Sativas. Shes doing well for her flower time, but I'll need to go back and check dates to be specific on it. Her sister will be donating herself to the cause in another 2 weeks, hopefully she fills out more by then.

the next 2 shots are the White widow Scrog. Coming along pretty good, just past a week flower for this lady and she is really starting to fill the screen in. I'll train til I see the first sets of flower clusters and then let her go.


And last in this set is the babies just placed in paper towels to germinate. I have my last Golden Skush seed in there (hoping for a male), 2 seeds that came from some Lemon Skunk bag about a year and a half ago and 3 seeds of a strain I'll call 50/50. The GS takes priority, with halfie next then the lemon skunk.


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Mr Burns, you couldnt be more right man. I enjoy the ease of soil, but cannot get the hydro bug off my back. Its really due to my being so small scale, I wanna get the most out of my grow and hydro is supposed to be the key. However, lol theres always a however, I have one more thing I'd like to try in soil before I change my ways. I picked up some new soil and perlite and will be trying a Soil Layering technique to see if I can get some benefit from it. I'll cover that another night though, and prolly discuss it a bit here before actually doing it.

Cranky, or is that Mr Cranky Sir?:D Good to have you on board man. I have shadowed every bit of your small container growing stuff and expanded on it a good bit in my grow. largest container for flower is 1 gallon, and it will harvest 1.5 oz, still pushing for more though, lol.
As for the hydro, man I hope to keep it that simple. Later in December I'll be getting new Pure Blend Pro hydro organic nutrients. I've seen numerous grows with this stuff and everytime its impressive with little hands on tinkering. For simple hydro, its supposed to be the shit.

[Shadows]

quickie update...

all the seeds have cracked shells except the Va Lemon Skunk.

Newest clones are showing signs of life, will get fed soon..

Doing a few transplants tonight, preping 2 SS for flower and getting a SP a new home as well.

Also changing out the tank for the hydro girl. She seems to have some new bumps on her stem, hopefully she'll be droping some roots in soon that are strong

All 3 babies are still growing daily, not breaking the sound barrier but ok

thats about it

[CB]

Well, I tried a bubbler over a year ago but water temps caused me issues.

just kinda wondered what the temps is the bubbler where

my first bubbler was an outdoor tomatoe plant :rolleyes:

the big test so to speak....well had alot of help from an oldphart and ended with this 8 foot plant with softball size tomatoe's on it......never once did i check the water temp and we run in the high 90* low 100* a good 4 weeks out of the summer:eek:

when i took the bubbler into the grow room i never even thought about temps as i can usally keep my room between 75-85

I have 6-7 bubbler grows under me now and still have not once checked water temps.......

if my room temps come up to around 90* i use a bit of silca blast just to help out in case of stress

ok I'm off to ramble elsewhere now

[Shadows]

The temps on my first trial were cracking 90 in the water. Mostly because I didnt have proper ventilation in my closet and the pump was pushing warmed air instead of room temp.
Lastnight the temps in the water were around 82 and before I went to bed I tossed a smiley face ice pack in the tank. Mostly to see if the plant improves over night. It almost seems like she is rerooting herself. Slow to no growth and her lower stem is stippled with root bumps.

Thanks for the reassurance on the temps though cheapo. If I gotta drop ice everyday to grow hydro I wont be doing it, I've got much too much on my hands as is. I'll stop stressing on it and just stay on top of the PPM readings.

So lastnight I refreshed the water for the hydro girl. There was a small clump of roots that had fallen to the bottom of the tank but everything looked ok. My PPM outta the tap was reading 99 and my end solution was 480, so 380PPM for the girl. PH, unchecked.

[Shadows]

Well the hydro is still not showing any growth. Im not sure what the issue is, maybe my roots suffered over watering in the APS and thats whats holding off growth. The PPM hasnt dropped a bit, nor has the water level. Plant is rather droopy looking? I cant find my thermometer for the water, but it was warm to the touch. I'd say between 83-87. I'll keep at it another week with water change outs every 2 days and tracking the PPM. If theres nothing happening by then Im ditching the hydro once again. 3 weeks with no growth, sorry I dont have all the time for the trial and error or do I have the space with all the babies Im trying to get going. Anyway, Im just on a rant to night, horrible mood, vertigo is kicking my ass and the stash is dwendling. yep, time for bed

later

[Mr Burns]

Shadow.
Whats happening? Tis been 2 days so are you still in op?

[Shadows]

yes yes, still in operation, however the hydro is done for. I dunno what the deal is with it. I changed the nutes out every 2 days, added ice packs for 3 days straight and even tried a plain water H2O2 treatment. My roots are very brown, breaking off and the plant is just NOT growing. Feck it, no time for jollies anymore. That clone goes in soil tonight, end of hydro subject.

I may have time for a photo update in the next few days. Things are coming along well, not much to speak of besides seeds popping up, making it a total of 5 babies I have now, 3 strains from seed. Unfortunately GS is not one of the surviving germinations, but I gave it a try.

[Mr Burns]

Sad news ND. I'm determined to give it a go and when I do I'd appreciate your eye when it happens. Perhaps you'll have some say in how I appraoch it which will help me.

Sorry to hear it.

[Shadows]

I have one other idea burns, almost a spin off of the Krusty bucket in a bucket setup. Top bucket will hold the clone and Aquatic Plant Soil. Lower bucket will hold the pump and nutrient solution. Pump will be ran 4 cycles a day and will discharge above the medium level in the upper bucket. Almost like a Flood and drain, well just like one actually, just no pots and there will be no predetermined flood level. My biggest goal will be assuring it drains well enough to not FLOOD the upper container. Who knows, maybe I'll get that wild hair tonight while Im doing nothing. hmm maybe I'd better use a APS/perlite mix at 50/50? APS is really heavy stuff and very coarse. Not many large roots get produced in it, just alot of fine stringy hairs. Yeah, maybe tonight... you know me man, I dont give up so easy, lol

[Mr Burns]

Well as you come up with the ideas ND post em up cause I;m interest in all this bucket stuff. Idealy I'd like a flood and drain but not in the space I have right now. When we move I'll have a brick motor garage with a concrete floor, that'll give me an 8ft run allowing one end for ancillaries, so I'll wait till then, but for now, throw your ideas into the pot cause this is intereting bro. 2thumbs

[Shadows]

no probs there Mr Burns. hey, you in to addatives for your grow? Fulvic acid, mycor and such? Try this place out
http://www.super-grow.biz/Products.jsp
very nice pricing and to add, I just did some math on the fulvic acid, 2 ounces of it make up 57grams, and it only takes .5 grams to make a 100ppm solution in 1 gallon of water, and fulvic is reccomended to be used at 85ppm. So 7 bucks of fulvic acid is good for 114 gallons of water. they got about every plant addative out there, in a purer form then you'll find in most places.

later



edit** Might I add that the indole butyric acid is another great add to a grow. I have a cloning solution that uses that and I dissolved 1/8th tsp of IBA into 1 tbsp of 70% rubbing alcohol. Poured that into a 2 liter bottle and watered some seedlings that were a day or 2 behind my oldest. Since then (2 days) they have caught up, and have more roots on the side of the container.

[AzGrowa]

Sorry to hear the hydro din't quite come off Shadows. If I may be so bold as to suggest a little more research? Just a suggestion.

I might just have to give hydro a try if I ever pull off a soil grow.
I wouldn't know diddly about it.

[Shadows]

Hey Az, you're right a little more research is definitly in order, only now I have to do it because the damn bubbler is finally running right?? Seems my patience needs some practice as well.

Basically I looked into the box tonight to see that the hydro plant was no longer droopy. Quite the contrary, her meristem was as erect as ever and her leaves were out perpendicular to it. Up til now shes been super droopy. I popped the lid and to my amazement I see lots of white roots poking through the brown matting (old dead roots, need removal).

The biggest change I've made over the weekend... Switching my veg timer back ON, instead of having the outlet on. So yeah, the past week or so I've been running 24/0 and switched back to 18/6. Now my res runs cooler and the plant gets that all important nap. Appears the hydro is back on, now its time to learn how to moniter PPM properly.

I have the basic understanding of it. If my starting PPM is 300, and on the next check it has dropped to 250, I need to increase my next change out to 350. If it increases to 350 from 300, then my next change out needs to be 250. Is that about right? I'll be using Pure blend pro veg nutes until flowers form. At that point I'll either have new PBP nutes, or be trying the orchid food. I've run some test on this orchid food with my tap water, at full stregnth its only 600 ppm, and the PH sets on 6.0. I have PH down and up if necessary, but really dont plan to incorporate them.

For those that want to know why Im gonna try nutrients designed to feed Orchids in hydro, I first suggest you do some research on Orchids and understand just how they feed, and where they live in the wild. Next I wish to offer this, Because nobody else will! I've always wanted to find a soil nutrient that would be close to working both ways, and this one is the closest I've come across. It contains no urea, and all the N is readily available, as is all the other nutrients. So far all my PH test have shown it to be in the low 6s to upper 5's, and stable for 24 hours. I've asked some very nutrient oriented people about it and its goodies, Xzoomd, Delta and another great rarely heard of Powercow, and based on my conversations with them Im very comfortable in giving it a go. Besides, I'll still be getting new PBP flower nutes incase it fails, but I still wanna see!!

[Shadows]

Its about time to replace the bulb in my 250w system. The one in there now is 8 months old, and although not showing signs of getting weak, I believe its time for a change.

Im considering going after the 270 Agrosun bulb. It would give me 30% more blue in flower, and 1000 more lumens then what I have now. My space is only 3sqft and normally the 250 delivers 28,500 lumens so this new bulb at 29,500 puts me right about 10,000 lumens per sqft in flower. 2thumbs

This agrosun bulb will cost me between 60-80 dollars depending on where I get it. Thats a fine kick in the ass if you ask me though. I can get a normal 250 bulb for 15 bucks.

Guess that leaves me with this question, would I be better to upgrade my 250bulb to the 270w Agrosun, or would it be better to just add 2 5000k spectrum CFs to the flower box? With the 2 CF's I'd increase my lumens by 1500, putting me right on 10,000 per sqft... Any suggestions?

[Shadows]

oh yeah, on another note Im expecting some Mycor and Fulvic today or tomorrow from that site I posted a few days ago. So far that place has great service (answered my shipping info request within 5 min) and then shipped my order out the same day it was placed. Lets hope things arrive today so I can start using those goodies in the grow.

Im also experimenting with some auxins now, trying to speed up the time it takes for my plants to root after transplant and trying to boost the secondary branching as well. The 2 Im using are IBA and IAA. IBA is indole-3-butyric acid and IAA is indole-3-acetic acid. IBA is for root formation and IAA is supposed to supress secondary growth in a normally grown plant, but if used on a trained plant, should cause the secondaries to grow better. Anyway, blah blah, the grow is good and the ladies are happy.

later

[XzoomD]

hey ND,

the prx of those so called full spectrum bulbs is why I just bought an MH..to me in the long run it was cheaper than replacing $60-$70 bulbs..but I know heat is an issue with your space and the full spectrum bulb may be the way to go...the thing with cfl's is pentration..how far away is the light still effective?..but it might work..another option may be something like a fluorex or envirolite..they both have nice light penetration and I know the fluorex replacement bulb is only $12..I'm guessing the enviolite is more.

I usually give the plants a shot of hormones when I transplant and put in flower to kick start the roots and then let the P take over. I add a little cyto to the mix too..aprox. 3 to 1 auxin/cyto...cyto can be found in green light blossom set II or something like that..as you know. 2cents

should be interesting to see what the mycor n fulvic do for you..you have shown you have excellent observation skills..so it should be easy for you to notice any changes.
Good Luck and Grow On! :D

[Profound]

Its about time to replace the bulb in my 250w system. The one in there now is 8 months old, and although not showing signs of getting weak, I believe its time for a change.

Im considering going after the 270 Agrosun bulb. It would give me 30% more blue in flower, and 1000 more lumens then what I have now. My space is only 3sqft and normally the 250 delivers 28,500 lumens so this new bulb at 29,500 puts me right about 10,000 lumens per sqft in flower. 2thumbs

This agrosun bulb will cost me between 60-80 dollars depending on where I get it. Thats a fine kick in the ass if you ask me though. I can get a normal 250 bulb for 15 bucks.

Guess that leaves me with this question, would I be better to upgrade my 250bulb to the 270w Agrosun, or would it be better to just add 2 5000k spectrum CFs to the flower box? With the 2 CF's I'd increase my lumens by 1500, putting me right on 10,000 per sqft... Any suggestions?


Here's the deal Shadows.....you can beat that by $30 easily.
I'll shoot you a PM . Also check inside sun, it's not listed but they may carry that bulb for 50 bucks or lower

[Shadows]

Had some camera time and was able to get online tonight, so it seemed like a great time to take some pictures. We'll start tonights show in veg.

Pictures 1 and 2 show the left and right sides of veg. To be honest, I dont even know how many plants are shoved into that 3sqft space.

Picture 3 is a shot of my 3 oldest babies. Its R2G on the left, and 2 Mr Bubble Poisons on the right.
http://www.homegrownbud.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=636&stc=1&d=1134019870

R2G has slowed in her upward growth and decided its time to get the secondaries to moving. Pictures 4 and 5
http://www.homegrownbud.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=637&stc=1&d=1134019871

Pics 6 and 7 show the 2 MBPs who have also slowed in upward growth.

The last 2 shots are Sweet Pea and Sensi Star, respectivly.

[Shadows]

First up is an overall shot of flower. Theres 5 plants in here, 3 are less then 2 weeks flower, 1 is just over 2 weeks and the last is around 4.
http://www.homegrownbud.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=643&stc=1&d=1134020305

Pictures 2 and 3 are the Golden Skush Sativa pheno. This is actually the strongest I've seen her grow. If I thought she'd taste better I'd continue on with her, but shes just not to my likings.
My favorite of the 2 shots I got
http://www.homegrownbud.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=645&stc=1&d=1134020305

Pictures 4 and 5 are the White Widow scrog. This is the lady just over 2 weeks flower. Hopefully the stretch has ended. She wasnt branching much so I stopped training, then she had a final growth spurt. Looks like she'll amount to alot of popcorn and I hope Im wrong!!
http://www.homegrownbud.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=646&stc=1&d=1134020305
The last shot is just a misc shot of the flower box.

[Shadows]

Xzoomd - Thanks man, you know I saw that cytokin stuff the other day in lowes but was carrying 2 bags of soil and some perlite, felt kind of odd also getting a tomato fert, lol.. thats for next week
I think back to my 150 hps days when the 22w cfs were mounted on the sides, I had much stronger growth and tighter node spaces, just didnt have the coverage to do a trained plant. Now with the 250 and training, I just dont know if a CF will offer enough light to be efficient across the grow.

Just a side note about those auxins I used on SP during the transplant, she's doing well and appears to be responding very well to them. She had some pretty strong secondary growth overnight as well.


Profound - Hey man, thanks big time for that link. Definitly gonna remain an option and is the best price I've seen by far!. thanks again man, and thanks for stoping by the journal.

[Shadows]

I went back and got a few dates to go along with the pictures

The GS in flower is currrently only 22 days in

The white widow is only 17 days in

Theres a Golden Skush and a Sweetpea 5 days in flower and...

1 Sensi Star 2 days in.

For my babies in veg

The R2G is 14 days old

the 2 MBP's are 12 days old


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Tonights agenda...

In veg I need to transplant an Afghani, take a cutting of a Sensi Star and of an Afghani, and think about what to do with the hydro. Everytime I wanna bag it I see new growth, its just SLOW. The roots that form white, turn brown in a matter of days but the plants not drooping anymore. If there is room in flower, I'll put my the Sensi Star in as well.

For flower, Im hanging a second fan for circulation close to my cool air intake ducting and rearranging the plants to see if a 6th will fit.

overall I think thats it. I'll have to run through my cuttings and make sure all my keeper strains have a clone, but I believe the 2 I take tonight will wrap that up.

[Mel]

whew! that was an eye spinning and mind joggling catch up:eek:

BTW I love Agrosun bulbs

gotta like those squares2thumbs itn' it amazing what they do for surface area conservation?

I have a little tune I sing when working with Sweet Pea, just sing the words Sweet Pea over the old jazz standard Juanita, SP is the only variety I have a song for.. although.. working with Flo .. I rhyme, duncha know:p

[Shadows]

Hey Mel, thanks for popping back by bro. I like the squares alot man. they fit so much tighter then the cups and are shorter, allowing for larger plants in veg. The only thing I dont like about them is the gaps between the soil and container all around the perimeter when the soil dries up. 25% of my waterings run right out the bottom cause of that, but thats minimal when you consider the space saved.

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Lastnights plans got changed slightly, but not too badly.

Veg Update

All 5 of the seedlings were looking for water, not dry but getting close. So they each got Plain water with Mg and Ca added. The 2 MBP seedlings also got a foilare spraying with a solution of Dip-n-Grow, just as a side experiment.

My 3 rooted cuttings are all doing ok, with the Golden Skush leading the pack. SP and WW are slowly coming around and tonight will get watered with the same solution I foilare feed the seedlings with.

The Afghani in hydro is still alive and well. Not doing much in the way of growth, but I changed the air stone and hopefully that will have an impact. Her sister in soil is about ready to go into flower, but really needs to be transplanted first. Im still waiting on my Mycor and Fulvic to arrive before doing that. Then it'll be 2 weeks more of veg before flowering her out.

Sweetpea enjoyed her transplant and really liked having her root ball doused in a Dip-n-grow mixture (of 2ml per half gallon) and has put on alot of new growth in the 48 hours since it happened. 1 more week of veg, and she goes to flower as well!!

I havnt mentioned her much, but Miss B is sitting in veg and growing along alright. She needs some bondage soon though, or she wont be flexible enough to do so. Her secondaries are for some reason spiraling on the stem in places, Ive not seen this before. kinda resembles a vine growing around a tree.

Sensi Star is no longer in veg in any way shape or form. I'll be cutting those clones tonight though ( always cut 2 SS) and get them in soil.


Flower update

This will be Day 1 for the SS that just went in. She has some training done and looks pretty healthy considering how the small cup treated her. As for now, shes propped up 3" to stay even with the canopy and receive some light.

Her sister SS will be 3 days in now and has begun her stretching some. Last night she was first watered lightly with a DNG solution, that was followed 5 min later with a normal veg feeding. I really like this SS in flower. She buds up so nice and thick and almost turns pearly white with crystals. The only issue with her is the odor. She is the stinkiest skunkiest strain I have, but I just dont get to experience it until after the chop, at which time she will stink up the house.

Day 6 for my Golden Skush indica and Sweet Pea. Sweetpea is furthest along in flower, showing her usual lack of vigor in the stretch. I'll be giving her a fulvic/mycor treatment ASAP, and hopefully increase her usual production rate. Veg feeding.

The GS girl mentioned above is just strolling along in flower. She's been stretching now for 3 days and got a veg feeding lastnight as well. I had tied her main tip down a while back, and continued it into a loop before releasing. I dont think it'll improve yield any more then typical training, I just wanted to do it, lol.

My WW Modular Scrog is looking good @18days and got a mixed flower/veg feeding lastnight. This is her last taste of the veg food, and its just there to boost the N level since my flower fert is so low on it. From what I understand, this lady is not the biggest yielder and I have not really grown her properly yet, So this is my first 'real' run with these genetics.

Yesterday I posted that my GS sativa girl was 22 days in. Im having a tough time believing that because she has NEVER shown this kind of developement in 3 weeks time. Im almost positive shes over 4 weeks, but dont have the records to verify that, just what Im used to. She was fed Mg/Ca mixture lastnight, along with a shot of the DNG mixture.

So Im experimenting a little as usual, very happy with the results the DNG (Dip-n-Grow) solution has had on the few that got it, and am interested to see how it affects the seedlings that got the foilare spraying. I didnt douse them in it, just spritzed the secondaries a few times and said good night.

[XzoomD]

hey Inda,

did you add 100 ppm fulvic to the foliar feeding?

I think you should try the cytokinin for secondary branching and lateral roots. There is also some research showing that brassinolide steroids and auxin promote lateral root growth..but I have not looked to see if there is a product with brassinolide steroids in it yet..is new to me but a google search should pull something up. :D

2thumbs

:peace:

[Shadows]

I'll be adding that fulvic when it arrives xzoomd, but which way would you reccommend me to use it? in a foilare spray or direct application to the root ball? I know the Mycor will grow stronger with it so was only considering watering with it, but will spraying it be more beneficial?

You dont need a product with Brassinolide in it, just check that link I left to super-grow. They have it in powder form there. The only thing is that it has to be dissolved in heated Alcohol (125-140 degrees) and its about 16 bucks for 5 grams. But they dont mention using it at more then .1ppm, which is about 3 scoops per liter (they provide the scoop). The scoop contains .038 grams of the powder and 5 grams will make up 44 liters of water.

Wont be long, and I'll have my own assortment of growth ehancers from that site and hopefully be logging the differences seen using the products.

[XzoomD]

Duh :D

that's why I love the cannabis community!

yea, that would be cool to do some documentation and tweak a formula with some of these enhancers. 2thumbs

gotta watch the foliar feeding in flower b/c of the amt of light..I have a speckled plant now b/c I did a few veg nute foliar feeding to try to boost the N stores during mid light cycle instead of early or near lights out. I just use foliar feeding as a quick fix..otherwise about 20 ml to a soil feeding..but!..ya gotta use 100 ppm to a feeding at least once..do a test..spray some veg with FA and one without...amazing how the FA spray will absorb quicker than the one w/o.

[Mr Burns]

ND.
Are you going to put anothr screen on this one if it stretches? Or let it go?

http://www.homegrownbud.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=646&stc=1&d=1134020305

[Shadows]

XzoomD - ok man, I got the fulvic and per your reccomendations I mixed up a batch of 100ppm foilare spray. I have 2 MPB seedlings and one got the treatment while the other didnt. There was a nice spurt of growth over the next 24 hours on the one that did get it while the other looked unchanged. After the results were in, I kinda got crazy and sprayed down all of veg and a few in flower. Sunday night everybody looked happy!


Burns - Her height hasnt changed much since that photo so I believe I'll just let her go. I have done a few tie downs where branches were too close to the bulb but thats really it. Whats disappointing about it all is this plant didnt like training at all. Her secondaries never really responded, which is why I stopped and just let her go.





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Friday night my Mycor and Fulvic arrived, 7 days after ordering, in good condition. Much props to the guys at Super-grow, their service was top notch and delivery time was pretty good as well (considering it came from Canada). You can bet this is one company that will be getting another order from me in the future!

So Friday night felt like Mad Scientist night. I had nutrients to mix up for veg and flower and to replace the bubbler water, then had to play with my new addatives:D . It was good fun, lol...

3 plants were pulled out of veg and a hole was made about 2" deep on opposite sides of the stem. 1 scoop of Mycor was placed in each hole, then covered up. I did the same thing to the Sensi Star that just went into flower and tonight all 4 of them will get a fulvic feeding to feed the mycor. Then lastnight I wanted to see if I could "water" the mycor in, so I added 2 scoops to a half gallon of water and used that on the flowering girls.

Apart from playing with my goodies, theres not much happening.

[Shadows]

Just remembered, I switched air stones in my bubbler on Friday night. Checked it again lastnight to see new white roots again, instead of the nasty brown ones. Obviously I was starving the root system of DO with the small stone because thats the only thing that I've changed.

[Profound]

..............the only thing that I've changed.


Right back in control and running things is always good.
Nothing like being spot on 2thumbs

I know the feeling of bouncing back

[Shadows]

Hey profound, bouncing back always sends a little hope through the grow. Good vibes are bountiful in the closet these days. Lastnight I was pleased to see that the leaf set she's been working on for 2 weeks has finally extended itself and there was even some noticible growth on the secondaries. Brown roots are being taken over daily by fresh new white ones. If I can keep this lady going, I'll have to take her over to hydro journal for flowering.

[GardenTHIS]

Hey there NDS

I was just wanted to plop my chair here in the middle of everything. :)

So if you don't mind me

:peace:

-GT-

[Shadows]

Veg

To start things off, let us talk of the hydro girl. I was seeing a trend that was very unsettling. Each day I'd see new roots after lights on, the next morning the quantity of white roots appeared to decrease from the night before. I can only assume water temps at this point. When the lights first come on its 74 degs, by the time the lights went off that had increased to almost 90!! There-in lies the problem. The water temp was too high to hold enough DO and my plant becoming waterlogged. So with that, the hydro is no more. The Afghani clone was promptly transplanted into soil with a healthy scoop of Mycor dumped on the roots. I guess I was just meant to grow in soil.2thumbs fine by me

There is another Afghani in veg, a clone taken the same time as the one in hydro, that is growing vine like all across the back of that cabinet. Its still in a 4x4 pot and in desperate need of a transplant, which I'll be doing tonight.

Sweetpea is slowly taking to her transplant, and the last watering she got was a light one and it was only applied to the edges of the container. I didnt want to soak the origional root ball because Im trying to draw those roots out into the new soil. Good thing though that it will be 3 more weeks before going to flower. Her cutting has finally begun to look alive as well.

Miss B (mystery blue) is still testing the height of my veg cab. This lady doesnt respond to training that well, so I grow her tall then take the top 4" for a cutting. Its about the only way I can get her to branch out and be more then a bud stick.

There are some other misc clones in veg, but none doing much worth mentioning so I wont.

As for seedlings, the R2G cross is yelling at me for feeding her 2 waterings in a row. Her upper growth has gotten all puckered and the lower growth is yellowing badly. Shes been flushed and has gotten water only for 1 week and Im just now seeing signs of happiness again.

The 2 Bubble Poison seedlings are moving along very well. They did not meet the same fate as R2G with the overfert and have passed her in upward growth. One of them has been trained down to touch her toes and the other is going straight up. Both have about 7 nodes and the one not trained is getting cloned, then tossed to flower to determine sex. the other will be left to veg.

Finally something to report on the 2 50/50's I have. Slow to start but the oldest get a good foilare feeding of Fulvic @ 100ppm and responded very well. Its just now working on its 3rd node, while its younger sister is on #2.


Flower

STanding room only in this box now. The only place to put a plant is off to the side where it wont get much light. Theres plenty of green to keep the eyes busy and last night was feeding time!

The sativa dominant Golden Skush has me a little peaved at the moment. This is my 4th flower cycle with her and my last. Usually she gets so leggy and stringy that the buds arent worth the trouble, but this time shes forming up colas that I've never seen on her or knew she was capable of. Allbeit they are nothing huge, they are bigger then she has ever done in my care.

Scrogged White Widow is starting to fill up her popcorn buds some and looks like she may just provide around a 1/2 oz of smoke. Rather disappointing if you ask me, so she may only get 1 more cycle. gonna depend on the quality and density of the buds when completed.

Then theres the 4 that are within 2 weeks of each other. Sweetpea being the furthest along in flower production, with a Sensi Star a few days behind but done stretching. The Golden Skush Indica is still growing upward and looking great, still not producing flowers though and has me worried she may stretch out of the range for my other plants. And finally the last Sensi Star in flower who is only a few days into her stretch. Going along very healthy so far and looking good.


Letsssss see, thats about all there is to mention. Tonight I may get some camera time and internet time so I'll try and get those updated pictures coming along. All depends on if my wife is doing her ebay thing or not, we'll see.



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Gardenthis, very glad to have you along miss. No need for your own chair, I have a very special seat for you:p ;)

[Mel]

Grow MB tall by far my slowest vegger , even slower than Sweet Pea. MB does not train well IMHO. Let her grow as tall as you can she has a small jump also. Then the fun begins she flowers early chunks up and crystalizes thes awsome corn cob type budz. In weight per plant MB is phenom and THE most potent smoke in my grow, sometimes on a strong BH dizzieing, medical grade fo sho. Perfect for the micro grower needs; very little space required, jump is minnimal, thick chunky budz that are sweet and potent, short cycle to fruition. Slow vegger though, I think that is why it and SP do not like training when Dump SS and GS all take to trainning, they have much larger internodal distances oer SP and MB.

:2 cents:

[Shadows]

Hey hey mel, I see ya snuck out again, lol.. good to have you stop by.

MB and SP are the whole reason I want a male. You can bet I'll be crossing with these 2 ladies, and the GS. Hopefully I can keep the nodal distances but increase vigor during veg. I know they both need the push there. If I get what I want, can I pull you in for some testing? lol

[Shadows]

Stopped by Lowes today and got some green light blossom set II spray with Cytokin. I'll be using this on SweetPea and MB in veg tonight to see if it really gets those secondaries to moving.

XzoomD - When do you suggest the last treatment with this stuff? during the stretch or before flower even kicks in?

[Shadows]

The Hydro girl that went into soil was wilted badly lastnight. Considering she has survived in this state for possibly 24hours or so I just gave her a light mysting of water and covered her with a baggie for a humidity dome. Hopefully tonight she will be on the rebound.

I also played with the Cytokinin stuff a bit. The MB lady took a nice shower in it, as did the MBP seedling that is in training. I also picked 2 ladies that were early in flower and gave them a nice mysting. Lastly I chose a lower bud on my furthest along flowering plant and sprayed it heavily. What better way to test a product huh? lol... let hope I dont burn all my ladies down with this stuff!!

[XzoomD]

Ahhh!..,No!...altho it may say on the directions to use as a foliar..do not go by the label....I'm not sure about your products label but green light blossum set, or w/e it's called, says to use as a foliar...but delta and I can both confirm that if used as the label says..in flower at least..it makes for some real funky looking growth...much better to add to your water/feedings for root uptake. I can't tell you why this is, but it is. 2cents

:peace:

[Shadows]

haha, cool zoomy. Glad I only hit one of the bud sites with it on the Golden Skush sativa lady.

So if used as a soil drench, what PPM do I need to use? or just 1 tsp per gallon?

How about veg? can i foilare feed it in veg?

[XzoomD]

yea..ole D warned me not to do it (foliar spray cyto according to the label)...so you know I did..hahaha..sure enuff..the internode elongated rather serverely and the stem thickened..all in all..funky growth that would have best been left alone. imho :D..I only did it twice..so what does that tell ya?...but if you get it..maybe document?...usually when I use hormones I water around the crown so it has a better chance of being absorbed by the roots..it's hard to call b/c my tds meter has needed batteries for close to a century now :rolleyes: ..and all these hormone products have different concentrations..but with my cyto I never go more the a tsp..my auxin product is different..there I need like a 1/4 cup..but sorry..ppm evades me att..maybe start at 100 ppm and tweak from there...I had all this hormone stuff saved but lost it with my crash ...but in veg..I would try an auxin/cyto mix and tweak...I forget how the 'mones work..some go up the plant..some go down..don't quote me but I think auxin/cyto go up..so I'm guessing that is why it may be better to have it absorbed thru the roots..like I said..I'm guessing..it has been a coupla yrs since I was messing with and reading up on hormones and as usual..no notes..I just have a few things that seem to work for me...haha..they say the mind goes first :D...what were we talking about?...maybe get ahold of cow??..he retains this stuff much better than I do lol and actually understands wtf is going on. ...I'm almost to the point that I just do stuff instinctively and do stuff that bypasses my conscious mind..lol..which is usually too stoned to comprehend wtf I'm doing anyway..but the plants don't die so I keep doing it. haha .00420cents

[Shadows]

http://users.rcn.com/jkimball.ma.ultranet/BiologyPages/C/Cytokinins.html

Click that link above to learn about Cytokinins, or any plant related mechanism. Its a good read and if you want, use all of that link, upto C/Cytokinins.html . going to the boilogy page will allow you to search every plant function there is. Much to read there, in fact Im still in the A's, lol


Thanks zoomy man. I'm sure that one bud i drenched is gonna get all funky on me. I mean it was soaked and dripping alot, lol.. And I'l probably see some of that as well on my early flowering plants. But ya know what? Im having fun again. Its not just the same old repitition of actions. If something goes all crazy, I'll still be happy.

[XzoomD]

Saved!!!..thank you!..haha..remember my bookmarks @ babylon..an interactive library? :rolleyes:

haha..sorry..but I gotta throw this at you haha..any data on auxin/cyto spritzing on the dang-a-lang to see if it elongates the cells?...maybe add 600 ppm fulvic for quick absorbtion!!...:eek: 2thumbs back in action!! haha..yea, zoomin' :D...hey CB..if this works..I want in on the patent/copywright! lmao..whew

yea, if you soaked it..youre probably in for a show..gonna take pics, I hope?...you shud get a burst of growth..seems like everything elongates but the bud...I never tried just spraying it on a stem to thicken tho..now you have me thinking...like if there is a branch is slacking when the stretch is almost over...give a spritz of cyto to see if it will catch up with the canopy..hmm..I'm almost out of cyto but when I pick up some more...I think I got my green light blossom set II at wal-mart..but may not be stocked now..dunno...but anyway..why not try that...after you see what this does..and if you get the same results I did...it might actually be a nice training tool...but D always told me that it might not be wise to use it after day 21 of flower....b/c with all hormones..too much of one can trigger another..delay others..and generally screw things up..which I suspect may have happened to dubya when his father headed the cia and he tried to clone himself...but in this case..too much auxin/cyto can delay senescence...I also thought about pulling out the 30' planter (that with hormones I harvested around 40+ mid sized buds lol)..and feeding auxin for six months to delay senescence to see how big the buds get..then flush with clearex and see if it will begins to turn..haha..yea, I need therapy. :D..but yea, messing around with hormones can be entertaining ..but when I got cleopotra..the proper hormone levels were not to be messed with and the hormone venture waned..i just recently started to use them again..but now..b/c of playing with them so much I have a better understanding of what they can do.....I'd be interested to see if fulvic would affect the hormone thing..there is a lot you could do with hormones but with a great pheno..eh..prolly best to leave it alone...I wasn't able to document this or try it enough to confirm it but by using an eye-dropper I started feeding a seedling with a mild dose of thrive alive b-1 befre the coyts even started to yellow..then started overdosing it with cyto..again..before the coyts completely yellowed...I think I stopped apic growth in the apic meristem and the next few secondaries were apicx..it was almost like topping..but the secondaries below were moree apic than with a topping..like I said..that was about the time I shelfed the hormones and couldn't do it enough to start posting about it...and I could not even get close to doing the same thing with a clone..just wouldn't work with a clone...so my thinking is it was the eye drops before the seedling used its seed stores and it took up the hormones like it was in the coyt..I dunno...hey, this batch is kinda uppy..kewl!..lol..can't let the wife know..she'll have doing all kinds of stuff..and my dumbass will be getting into it ha..sorry for the rant..but youre rekindling a back burner. :D

[Shadows]

haha..sorry..but I gotta throw this at you haha..any data on auxin/cyto spritzing on the dang-a-lang to see if it elongates the cells?...maybe add 600 ppm fulvic for quick absorbtion!!... back in action!! haha..yea, zoomin' ...hey CB..if this works..I want in on the patent/copywright! lmao..whew

Too fukin scary when I thought the same thing reading through that stuff, lol. My fear would be leaves growing, but then I could really refer to it as a trunk:eek:


Yeah on the documenting. I have some seedlings that have not tasted it yet, so I'll try a 100ppm feeding on the one thats furthest behind and see what happens. Photos as often as possible!2thumbs

[XzoomD]

haha..if it's like a redwood..by the time they get to the leaves, it won't matter. :D

I started thinking the trick to try to make the original apic meristem almost go dormant might have had something to do with the hormones being absorbed along with the seed stores..like spiking the mammories :D..I only say this b/c in my exp. I could never slow an original apic meristem on a clone like I could from seed with first a very mild solution of thrive alive b-1 red b/c it has all kinds of goodies and a mild n-p-k too..any of the similar products may do as well..dunno..then I started adding the cyto after I was sure there was no burn..just a few eye drops near the crown (where the substrate meets the surface on the stem.) and maybe take it from there..but might want to use bagseed or something at first..oh!..I'm getting excited! haha..if you can pull it off..hey!..if not..maybe I became so hormone mad I willed it..some unknown plant/grower communication ..but what I did twice would be great for a sog/scrog imho....or maybe..my mind is still scattered from the bizzare domestic thing..so maybe I dreamed it and it never happen!? :eek: haha.."zoomy!..catch up to your group!!" :D...Okay!..but shdws, I think I remember like 5 ml per..but can't recall if it was to a gl. or a qt?..duh..just throwing this out there for you to sort.

:peace:

[Shadows]

Hey zoomy, the 2 seedlings I sprayed show little to no reaction to the stuff. Their meristem is finding the light faster when trained down, but the secondarires have little indication of givin a shit. Im gonna mix up a half gallon of Cytokinin tonight of around 100ppm and feed my 2 trained youngins with it. I'll take daily pics of them to show if theres any real jump in secondaries.
The Sweetpea in veg that got hit with it responded very well though. I think SP is one of those that has an issue providing this hormone on its own, maybe due to being a 2year old plant? Dunno, but I know she likes it!! Afghani does too and that one is getting scary in veg. Right now that affi is tied and twisted into a ball almost. I dont know when the time to transplant will show itself but the plant is telling me daily it needs to be done.


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Update

Starting in veg I have to mention my fatality. The Affi that I transplanted from hydro to soil has passed on. She was wilted from day 1 of the transplant and lastnight I noticed mold spores forming on her stem at ground level. She was still alive, but I dont take chances with mold,so out she went!!

Most everything else is unchanged in veg. My babies are still growing at nice even rates, even the R2G that got over fed. All clones are living large, and getting large. Ugh, atleast 2 more weeks before another can go into flower. Dunno how Im gonna manage that one.

Flower

There is an obvious change in the flower box. I'll guess its largly due to the hormones they have been seeing, and the fulvic and mycor treatments they have all received. Fan leaves are much broader then typically and early cola formations are appearing more compact and long. Interesting things happening and my heads spinning from it all. Time to really get off my ass and do a proper picture update. Wrapping presents and making costumes for Christmas plays has really consumed most of my evening. I believe all that has come to a close now, or atleas slowed to where I dont have to do so damn much between 830 and 1030 in the evening.

[XzoomD]

seedlings, my way, were fed with an eye dropper not sprayed..but I dunno?

yea, this will be a great show..youre much more organized than I ever could be..haha

2thumbs

:peace:

[Shadows]

Hmm, so maybe we should start it off right?? this show that is? well then, lets do that as best as I can.

I'll put the true test of this stuff on hold until after the new year. At that time I'll be moving my 2 largest plants into flower and have a little more room in veg. At that time I should also have these seedlings sexed and their fates determined. Im considering just flowering them through. IF they are THAT good I'll reveg, but no messing other then that. It'll be nice to have a new variety in the house from time to time.

I have a strain I wanna give a good try to get a female. I'll start 6 of those beans, 3 will go with my usual treatment the other 3 will get hormones, mycor and fulvic used. What the hell right?? If Im gonna use the stuff I should atleast see if Im doing it right, or if its even worth it.
Sound good?

[dredank]

I have a strain I wanna give a good try to get a female. I'll start 6 of those beans, 3 will go with my usual treatment the other 3 will get hormones, mycor and fulvic used. What the hell right?? If Im gonna use the stuff I should atleast see if Im doing it right, or if its even worth it.
Sound good?
Im interested in seeing how this turns out;)
:peace:

[XzoomD]

yup.....2thumbs

[Profound]

What the hell right?? If Im gonna use the stuff I should atleast see if Im doing it right, or if its even worth it.
Sound good?


Sounds like a try that's going to help us all interested in that very thing.:peace:

[Shadows]

To start things on the right foot:shrug: , I filled a half gallon milk jug with warm water. 2ml of tomato set spray II with cytokinin made only a slight change in PPM. Starting was 85, 2ml later was 88 and another 2 ml later it was 91?:hmmmm: Not a very noticible change, huh? What to do about that? Another thing was I added 2 1/32nd scoops of fulvic acid to the mix and although the water turned brown, there was no change in PPM? I had this same issue with the CaCl, it wouldnt register. So now Im stuck, I can still do the experiment but cannot give hard numbers in the form of PPM. Any suggestions as to what will suffice? Dry measurements or measurements in ml? Thats about my only option ATM.:confused:

[XzoomD]

damn Shdws..got me on this one?
I don't remember taking tds readings when I used hormones, but both should register.
could it possibly be your tds batteries?..dirty probe?

my fulvic is liquid and I remember seeing that there are different grads of fulvic acid depending on which FA deposit it is mined from..bnut that could just be a marketing ploy..dunno...but maybe one way to see is to mix up a mild nute solution and with an eye dropper put a drop each of the solution..one having 100 ppm..guess you'll have to guess..but the droplet with the FA should absorb into the leaf much quicker than the one w/o FA..???

:peace:

[Shadows]

...Over the past few days. Seems after wrapping gifts, my wife had other plans for me, like building 2 36"wide x 60" tall x 18" deep book cases. Trimmed out and complete they took 12 hours total. Very nice cabinets, but they were a gift so away they went. Atleast I kept the plans, I'll need them for my future Veg box!

Pictures are still on hold and Im tired of making false promises so I'll get'm up when I get'm up.

For those that find it possible to still follow along, heres whats up in Veg.

To start things off, I'll welcome a new lady to my grow room. The R2G @7" has produced female flowers on 2 pairs of nodes. I also believe one of the Mr bubble poisons to be female. I was planning to keep any female strains I came across, but have decided it'll be more fun just to transplant and flower them through. So that is their fate, a 1 time show and I get a great chance at some more variety.

As for the 2nd MBP, still no sex, not even a preflower is visible. Shes bent over in an attempt to draw out the secondaries before she too goes to flower.

The 2 50/50 seedlings are slowly coming to life. Both are having a lime appearance so they are now on the feeding schedule. These too will be 1 time shows.

My oldest clones, sweetpea and an afghani, are overgrowing their end of veg. SP is just a chunk of plant matter and afghani looks like a tiny thorn patch. SP is going to have to flower soon, veg wont take much more of her!

Miss B has been getting some auxin treatments and I believe I did it, lol... Her apic meristem has slowed in growth and the next 2 nodes below are about caught up in height. She got sprayed with the cyto 3 days in a row, then received it in her water @ 4ml per half gallon 3 days later. Time to clone and flower her as well.

Theres a few more to mention in here, but they are just happy to be growing, and their spot light will shine soon enough.

As for flower, welll its green everywhere with snow covered mountain tops reaching through. I should fog it and get that Everest feeling, lol...

Anyway, I took a nice sized sample bud from the GS sat in flower. Shes about 90% cloudy now with 1-2 ambers here or there and even rarer sighting of clears. Still lots of white hairs and I think 2 more weeks would bulk her up very well. We'll see though, I was frivilous and passed out an 1/8 of my stash to each of my brother in-laws (3) for christmas. Its not much but its better smoke then they will find elsewhere.

The white widow scrog is pushing along ok. A little impressive, alot not!. seriously considering that its the strain responsible for the lack of branching and will try to improve on that with the cyto next cycle she sees. Her buds are just about ready to swell, not quite as full as they could be but in the end I should pull 20+ grams from her. not horrible for a first attempt.

And from there its just crazy, 3 strains, 4 plants, 12 days separating the first from the last. They are all going into overdrive on flower production and looking awesome. Even the sweetpea that only grew 3" in the stretch, as she now has a nice cola forming.

anyways, just a splash of whats happening on this end. I'll work on that picture thing for those interested.

[Shadows]

Holiday season's taking its toll on this end. seems every day brings another unexpected event that prevents me doing as I wish in the evenings.

As a happy bonus to it all though, I have 2 confirmed females from the oldest of the 5 babies going. The third I believe to be female also, but Im not calling it until I see definitive proof. So the 2 new girls are 1 R2G and 1 Mr (Mrs) bubble poison.

There is also a nice little afghani bush in veg, taking up alot of space but cannot go to flower for a few weeks yet. She just got transplanted into a 3qt container, and will probably end up flowering in a 2 or 3 gallon one, with a nice big screen over top!

Flower is still filled with buds. I did harvest the White Widow and Golden Skush about a week ago. They are both dry and in cure now with the GS coming in ~22 grams and the WW at 18grams. Not a huge yield, but these are also 2 strains I am cutting out of the grow, because of that reason.

I put my Cyto'd Sweetpea into flower as well. Since she was so overgrown from the cyto treatments I placed a screen over her to bring everything into light. Shes been adjusted for 2 days now and had her last shot of cyto yesterday. The Cyto @ 6ml per gallon is having a dramatic effect on my older plants. I remember reading up on some stuff that says over time the plant can stop producing hormones (like a person with a Thyroid problem) and that supplimenting them may be required to get that youthful vigor back. I have to agree with that 100% right now, BUT I have to add that no hormone should be used weekly. If the plant is capable of making the hormones and you suppliment too often it will stop producing it(the hormone/auxin) all together, requiring you to supply it constantly with diminishing results. With that all said I have also heard that a plant with strong genetics should not require hormones at all. Good genetics will assure they are there.

[Shadows]

damn Shdws..got me on this one?
I don't remember taking tds readings when I used hormones, but both should register.
could it possibly be your tds batteries?..dirty probe?

:peace:


ya know zoomy, I've had my PPM meter now for almost a year (make that almost 2 years). Its the cheap Hanna 2. I've never touched the calibration of it, nor checked it with solution. When I got the meter the first thing I checked was my tap water PPM and that was ~80ppm. Everytime I use the pen I check tap water PPM first and the highest its been is 92. 5ml of PBP flower (per gallon) still brings my PPM up 200-220 points. Which is what it did from day 1. Its kinda like flying with a blind fold on, but looking out of a tiny hole in the corner, lol...

oh yeah, were looking at a house, with a half basement (house build on sloped ground). The half basement is located under the master bedroom as well and has been changed into a little work shop. Guess where the new grow room will be built?

[Dibbz]

Only just caught up with this thread to but an excellnt read!

Really good looking healthy plants in your pics dude! Well Done!!2thumbs

[XzoomD]

Wow!.....Great news! 2thumbs

[Shadows]

The first 2 pics are about a week old. They are shots of veg, left then right.

Following them is the Indica dom Golden skush. However now its the only GS I have as the sativa is in a jar.

4th is the Mr Bubble Poison that got the heavy dosing of Cytokinin. See the funky leaf in the center? Thats the origional top but the high level of hormones caused it to shut down and the secondaries went crazy.

5th and 6th so the Affy bush I have going. She just got planted in that new home last night and trained down on all sides. I have a feeling she'll need yet another home before flowering if Im to get all the potential out of those bud sites. She got a dose of the cyto at the lower dosage (6ml per gallon) after the transplant to help "water her in". nice responce.
http://www.homegrownbud.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=1097&stc=1&d=1136009055

[Shadows]

This post is designated to Sweet Pea. 4 different pictures, 3 different stages of growth.

Picture 1
This is her a week ago in veg
http://www.homegrownbud.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=1099&stc=1&d=1136009553
Picture 2
This is her tonight on day 3 flower. She had cyto on day 2 of flower.
http://www.homegrownbud.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=1100&stc=1&d=1136009553
Pictures 3 & 4
This is their oldest sister, 5 weeks flower. 3 more to go, hope she makes it
http://www.homegrownbud.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=1101&stc=1&d=1136009553
http://www.homegrownbud.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=1102&stc=1&d=1136009553

[Shadows]

Heres the rest of the photos from tonight and a week ago.
The first 2 are flower. #1 is a week ago and #2 is tonight.
http://www.homegrownbud.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=1103&stc=1&d=1136010147
http://www.homegrownbud.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=1104&stc=1&d=1136010147
The next three shots are of Sensi Star buds. I've been playing with the macro setting on my new camera.
http://www.homegrownbud.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=1107&stc=1&d=1136010147
The last shots are all of the GS that was chopped last week. A memorial to a plant I harbor no more, c-ya...
http://www.homegrownbud.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=1110&stc=1&d=1136010147

[CB]

took like 3 minutes to load the pics but it was worth it

look'n real nice and green in the garden bro 2thumbs

as per norm your micro grows are top notch indeed

it really doesn't take much to be self sufficient as one can see by your great grow

thx for share'n your info and grow on

[Shadows]

My apologies to those on dial up, I uploaded that way so know exactly what ya mean, lol.

Hey cheapo, I must say man it takes some real gonads to start up a site like this and a whole shit load of time as well. I hope it grows to be one of the top notch sites out there and know that it has the potential with the members on the site. This isnt about competition between sites, its about spreading the word to as many ears as possible. Getting the information to those that wont/ cant go out and get it theirselves in an accurate form that makes it possible by them to accomplish.

So most importantly, Thank You for providing a stage for me to perform.

[Mr Burns]

Here here.

Shadows. Nice looking girls and I like the stout appearance of the weeks 5 flower sweet pea. Looking the same as a Chronic I have my eye on.

I was just looking at your intake and exhaust. Have you tried seperating them further?

[Shadows]

Thanks Burnsy, shes just gone on a water only diet so we should see a nice swell working its way thru.

Looking at those last sets of pictures, you'd be hard pressed to see my exhaust port from the flower box. Its on the same side of the box as the 4" flexible ducting is, but comes in from the top towards the door. The fan on the right of the light is the circulation fan, and blows towards the exhaust, and that 4" ducting is my fresh air active intake. I must have read your mind though that things needed to change because on new years night I mounted the circulation fan to that ducting. I've seen a 5 degree drop under the light as a result of this, and alot less heat stress throughout the box.

May not be able to grow hydro, but I can micro manage, lol.


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I got my final confirmation of sex on the Bubble Poisons and I've reached critical mass! 3 for 3 female on the new ladies. A bit unexpected to get those #'s but I've double and triple checked and all 3 have hairs showing. This just confirms my next step though and that will be to drop these ladies in flower as soon as there is a container for them to fill!

Now that idea poses a problem for a few of my older from clone plants in veg because as you can see the Affy is getting a bit bushy and really takes up alot of light in veg. Miss B is getting tall, way tall and is pushing my vertical limits in veg. Then there is the Golden Skush, shes growing straight up and is a few inches behind MB, but catching daily. In 3 more weeks all of these girls are gonna be a HUGE problem.

Checking stock I've noticed that I failed to take a Sensi Star clone. I was going to take a flowering clone, but recent cloning issues in the new box told me to hold off on that, so instead I'll be reveggin her. I wonder if auxins will spead up this process? Zoomy, what you say?

Speaking of the auxins, I am really impressed with how SP has responded. I dont think she has ever put this much growth forward in the stretch. I had assumed that by now the stretch would be about over (she only stretches 5-6 days) but its not showing any signs of slowing yet. There are a few pistols exposing themselves but she doesnt stop stretching until a cluster forms. After that she doesnt do much at all.

While on the subject of sweetpea, I have to say that her sister in flower is putting on a nice show for me. Counting the days until she falls, which as usual may fall early. I dunno, she has a sensi star the same age flower in there that may take the fall first, just to send SP into week 9 of flower. We'll see I suppose.

And for the Sensi stars, well they just continue to run like clock work. 1 thing I can be assured of taking this plant into flower and thats that I'll never be disappointed with her product. This is one plant that can take some abuse. She never screams burn, or feed me. Shes just happy to get what she gets and do the best with it. In the end its always the same "take a load off "high and always has that skunky undertone that burns the nostrals on exhale.

My only dissappointment in flower for now is the GS indica. Shes producing nicely, but I've not seen any change in her structure over the last few days, while other plants are noticibly changing in that period. I'm trying to drop some lower fans with a flush, then I'll step back into the nutes and see how she does.

Oh yeah, I need to mention a few other things. In flower I've changed my watering technique a bit. My schedule had become every 44 hours I needed to water, well thats hard to accomplish all the time and I was seeing wilt at 48 hours. So now I water/feed daily. Days 1-5 they get food at 1/2 stregnth and on day 6 they get a mini flush to remove salts. Day 7 they get nothing to allow the soil to dry and prevent root rot. The results have been pleasing, but there was a dark side effect lurking I knew nothing about.

By watering as often as I was, I wasnt allowing the previous days waste water evaporation time. Now this hasnt created a mold issue in the grow, but it has caused my box to leak water. Whys that such a bad thing? Well people live under me, and a stray drip could end my work. I've got the bottom of the box lined with poly which was working great. Until, that is, our new kitten thought his place was under the shelf. When I pulled him out his claws must have put holes in the poly. Looks like thats on my list of things to replace now as well.

Last little tidbit, and this is for those that use multi-tap ballast. I did not know this and it could have hurt me very badly, or burned my home down or both.. I have my lights hooked up to the 120v line, and had capped off the other 2 lines, then tapped them over. One of them came loose, and exposed the end of one of those wires and that touched some metal and sent sparks flying!!! I had no idea that those other lines would be HOT. I didnt think it would back feed through the ballast, but apparently it does. So watch those loose wires. tape the crap out of them, then do it again! be safe.


Happy New Year HGB

[milagro]

And for the Sensi stars, well they just continue to run like clock work. 1 thing I can be assured of taking this plant into flower and thats that I'll never be disappointed with her product. This is one plant that can take some abuse. She never screams burn, or feed me. Shes just happy to get what she gets and do the best with it. In the end its always the same "take a load off "high and always has that skunky undertone that burns the nostrals on exhale.






n_d,



It sounds like you're in love.

With a girl like that.... who wouldn't be.

I love her too.



milagro

[Mr Burns]

ND.
I had a daily watering schedule during my attic grows. Maybe the heat helped with evaporation but I never had root rot. I was giving 10 litre pots 500ml a day until about 2-3 weeks from harvest. Then it doubled to a litre right the way through. A litre still isn't much but I suppose the smaller pots had a smaller top surface area reducing natural evaporation?

How long have you had these strains going?

[Shadows]

Milagro - If my wife only knew:eek: Hell I already suspect shes jealous

Burns - Thanks for that watering bit bro. How long of a flower cycle did your ladies have? all of these girls, minus the sweetpea scrog, have been in those containers now for 8 weeks. Transplanted into the from solo cups. All received atleast 10 days of veg after transplant before going to flower.

10 liter pots? thats like 2.5 gallons correct? heh, my large pots are more like 1-2 qt containers, lol.. Though I've not hesitated pouring a qt of water through it.

Im unsure of that last question bud, you mean in total? Well Sweetpea is turning 2 this spring. The Sensi Star and mystery blue (miss b) I've had on hand for 1.5 years. Golden Skush is only 6 months into me and the Affy and White Widow I've acquired in the past 4 months. I've widdled through 10 strains to settle on these 5 and have a pretty broad spectrum of buzzes, all of top quality.

The seeds Im growing now, will add a wild card to the table every now and then, never a bad thing. They'll also be tested before their chop and reveged if they are truely worth it.

[Shadows]

Last night I got an unexpected play day in the closet, so some things had to happen.

1st and most importantly are the changes in flower.
After a brief inspection of stash and seeing that we hit things a bit hard :bong: during the holidays I had to make an executive decision (or is that execution decision?) and chop down:ninja3: the oldest Sensi Star.
A necessary event that pushed me to put the Affy into flower (after a transplant into a 1 gallon container) and the 2 MBP girls. The 2 MPB girls also got transplants, although not into anything huge, but enough soil to get them thru flower.

:racer: I also made up nutrient mixes for the week to come. For flower I made up 1 gallon of water with 3/4 tsp of Better Gro Orchid flower with 3 scoops of fulvic acid powder and 2ml CaCl. For those in the stretch and the older ladies in veg, I made up 1 gallon with 3/4 tsp BGO veg with 3 scoops of fulvic and 2ml cytokinin. Another gallon consisted of plain water nothing added and a half gallon of water with about 4 scoops of mycor powder. This should get me thru the next week of feedings with only the water needing to be remade. I should also mention that I have an early veg mixture already on the shelf, consisting of 1/2tsp BGO veg and a tsp of epsom salts. I have found that these mixtures give me pretty consistant results across the broad range of strains I have, the only thing I change is the frequency of feedings. Some get fed regular, while others only see it once a week. Its what keeps things simple for me. :rasta:

Im wanting to play with the cyto more, but Im having issues with cloning in the new veg box. The Rh is lower then Im used to and temps are higher. My last attempt at clones had me less the pleased as none made it. This is a first in a very long time for me so I can only assume the new box has thrown things out of whack. As soon as I figure out the trick in this enviroment,:grow: I'll be taking guinee pig clones to have a control and test subjects, so we may all see the benefits easily. Since GS and SS are my easiest to clone, they are on the list. which is great cause they are both top notch yielders!:notworth:

[Profound]

I always thought it was bad to see shadows in the garden....but then I finally understood....Shadows are great to see working in their garden.

You stay busy in there man and keep me focused on the needs of my own by reading and understanding your work.

Glad you share your journal so clearly and concise 2thumbs :D

[Shadows]

But shadows are great below the canopy, just ask me wife!! lol


Whats new for today? Well since I made up all that fert it was now time to use it.
Sweetpea, who is still in excellerated veg (stretching) got fed with the veg fert and was allowed to soak up as much as she could before being placed back under the light. Shes filling up the screen nicely and since she's getting hairy I've stopped fishing her through.
The other new comers to flower (afghani and 2 MBP's) were light green on all the apics telling me they have responded to the light change. Now to control their heights through the stretch. None of these ladies required a feeding.
Those that are further in flower (Golden Skush, Sensi Star2 and Sweetpea 1) all got a splash of the flower fert, til runoff, and 10 min later a splash of plain water. Of them Sweetpea is the furthest along and Im anticipating the swell to start soon. Some of her catylxs have begun already so it shouldnt be long.

I took a clone from the affy when she was transplanted. To my surprise that cutting is still standing tall in its little dome and has already lifted my cloning spirits. So much that I will be trying a mass cloning run here soon. I picked up some gladware containers that hold 4 cups of water. 2 bucks got me 5 of them. 1 will be the bottom and hold 3 cups of perlite with water and the other will sit on top as a rh dome. Since I still have that air pump on hand, I may also drop an air stone in. Gonna try it without first, keep it simple.

As for veg, well nobody really needed anything. The GS in there had her topped LST'd yesterday and readjusted again today. The secondaries are reaching to the light and in a few days, she will have 6-7 possible cuttings.

Since I didnt take a clone of the Sensi Star, this recent chop left a little at the bottom for a reveg. She did get a splash of veg fert to green up those lower leaves suffereing from -N and hopefully the cyto will reveg her quicker.

Apart from that, not much going on.

I do have plans tonight to change my fresh air ducting once again. This time however I'll be relocating the fan supplying the duct to be an inline, instead of like a blower. As it is the fan sits 4" from my door and can be heard 12" away, too loud for stealth. I'll also be hanging a blanket up on the inside of the main closet door to help dampen even more sound out. Then I also have to wrap my filter box in sound dampening material. After all that my closet may actually "sound" empty, lol.

[XzoomD]

"Apart from that, not much going on."...hahaha..remind me not to be around you when it's busy! haha..j/k :D

As usual..great documentation!

I've been preaching weights and lst for 3-4 yrs now. after I got a camera and could actually show what I was talking about and with some nudging..I got delta to try it. he came back with what would probably work best for most ppl.....but for me with the lame left hand I just stuck with what I was doing..but...what he said made sense...do your initial ties with horti-wire and use the weights for adjustments instead of retying...I think you have seen how I make up my weights..if not..I can post a pic, but no longer have one saved that I could/would have just thrown up now.

So what are your first impressions of supplementing with hormones..fulvic..or alittle early..or am I just a chronic stoner and forgot already. :rolleyes: ;) :D

[Shadows]

Yeah, in fact I have one of your weights!! dipped and all, lol... I even tried it a few times and well uhhh, my branches cant hold it, lol.. It does look nice hangin from my water shelf though, hehe

I do all my tying with those wire ties you get with trashbags. Just a gentle hook on the end to hold the plant and a little hole in the container for the wire to go thru. Either that or I'll just tie it back to the main stem, hell that affy had the Apic twisted under the canopy 2" off the soil, lol.. That turned into her clone stock.

Initial responce to the hormones? Im in love!! I'll need to post a picture of the sweetpea scrog for you to truely understand why that is. After growing this lady for 2 years you get used to her patterns of growth. I tell ya, this is the most vigerous growth I've seen from her. Last time I Scrogged her I had the screen 50% full at the switch of lights to 12/12. 10 days later she had stopped stretching and had only added 10% to the screen fullness. This time her screen went from 30% full to 75% full in 5 days. And thats the Cyto, fulvic and mycor at work.

[XzoomD]

Cool!!!

haha..must be one of the heavier fl