medical emergency

[wakka]

we had an air stone go bad. caught it on second day. water all murky. dumped out water, cleaned bucket, put in p h water only, flushed for four days. water was at five point five. after four days, put in a weak flowering water.

the leafs have stopped yellowing as fast as they were, but it's kind of a creeping thing. one leaf to the next, very slowly.

after loosing my last grow, I really need this n y c diesel to make it. is there anything that can be done, or is it a goner?

[CB]

say wakka,

how far into flower is that lady? and what ya feed'n it

[wakka]

fourth week, general hydroponics three part.

[bald1]

we had an air stone go bad. caught it on second day. water all murky. dumped out water, cleaned bucket, put in p h water only, flushed for four days. water was at five point five. after four days, put in a weak flowering water.

the leafs have stopped yellowing as fast as they were, but it's kind of a creeping thing. one leaf to the next, very slowly.

after loosing my last grow, I really need this n y c diesel to make it. is there anything that can be done, or is it a goner?
Hey wakka,

Why did you flush for 4 days? I don't understand why you would starve your plant when she obviously needs nutrients, especialy at this stage in her life cycle. What do you mean by air stone go bad, how was your roots looking at that time?

Personally I would say your plant has started to use up all the nutrients stored within the larger leaves. This has started early on your plant but it's common to see it in the later part of the flowering stage.

I would normally say to to go max strength with your food but first I need to know if your roots are in good health. If they're recovering from rot or something similar then don't go uping the levels too fast and shocking them, that's the last thing you wanna do ;)

peace and good luck bro :)
bald1.

[wakka]

as far as I know the roots are fine.

it was one of those six inch blue air stones that are plastic on three sides. has a connector on each end so you can connect more than one. my last grow, we tried these new flat round discs. all three failed after a few weeks of flowering. the smoother the surface, the faster they gunk up.

the water had almost no bubbles for about two days when my wife noticed the air stone had died. said the water was murky and foul smelling. a lot of the leaves turned yellow the first day. that's why we flushed it.

giving it some stronger nutes is not a problem dude. we'll give her a better drink tonight.

thanks dude.

[ice#1]

put a piece of panty hose over the stones and they shouldn't gunk up as fast but make sure there new and never used

[wakka]

I'm sorry, I didn't explain why we flushed. the water was bad. I mean it was bad. I don't see so good, so my wife does a lot of the physical part. and yeah, it's true what they say about when one of your senses takes a powder.

dudes, she popped the top on the bucket, and it was bad. she couldn't say if the stone was bad when we added water on sunday night. so a day or so with fresh nutes sitting still in a closed bucket for two days. brown and down right fucking funky.

so to the best of our knowledge the plant had been sitting in stagnant water for two days. it was going down hill fast. so rather than dump out the old nutes, and push new ones on a sick plant, we flushed it for four days with p hed water and some hydrogen peroxide.

we put new stronger nutes in last night. hopefully it will pull itself out, would be a real drag. really liked the fat indica leaves. well, I should say like and keep it in the present tense.

also, on a side note. we don't check the water the day after we put fresh in. we start the p h just a little on the low side then let the p h creep up slowly for two days to let everything in. the swinging gate I believe. we try not to micro manage.

[bald1]

Hey Wakka,

If you didn't actually see any browning of the roots after you washed them off, then you should take it that they were still ok. I would've just added the nutrients as normal but added a little h2o2 just to be on the safe side, as they say prevention is better than the cure ;)

Be prepaired for the plant to use up all the nutrients it has stored in those big fan leaves, once this starts it rarely stops, no matter what you do.

I hope I'm wrong on the last bit bro ;)
peace,
bald1.

[wakka]

I think you're going o turn out to be right dude. it's getting pretty thin of leaves as of last night. when the lights come on tonight, if it's still doing it, we'll know for sure. but as long as there is any green left, well let it go. miracles happen all the time.

but the two romulans are really shaping up really, really nice, so it's not all bad news. and if the diesel doesn't make it, it will just mean more room for them.

[bald1]

Don't worry bro, the plant knows just which leaves to take while leaving enough leaves around the buds to be able to finish good enough to smoke ;)

The yeild may be a little lower but I prefere to smoke buds that have gone like this, to me they burn much cleaner and taste better too :D

So whatever happens you'll still get some good buds to enjoy :share:
peace,
bald1.

[ILoveWeed]

wakka---Hopefully you flushed using a leaching agent and not just water. You myfriend look to be having a pretty big problem that your plant looks like it's manganese deficient, and I think I see curling up leafs that would mean it's past that stage and already causing you Iron deficiency also now.


At 4 weeks into flowering the only color changing that can or some people say should be going on is a nitrogen deficiency to the lower leafs first, yellow, die and fall off. You have them turning pale all over, then rust, and looks to be turning up in the one picture in the back left. That's not supposed to be happening. You lose all those leafs and you plant will die. I've done it with taking all them off, and it died quick.

Flush that with a good salt leaching agent(flora kleen is gh series) but only for a day, then take it easy, cause it's about past the point ofno return.

If your leafs aren't really curling up, but down, then it's a magnesium deficiency, but those 2 can be hard to tell the difference from at times.

None of the other posts really seemed to tell you what was wrong, but are trying their best to guess for you. If that plant is continuing on the same ways, right now start flushing, don't wait another minute. Hydro problems got to be caught quick.

Most hydro systems have some form of a fall to them that adds oxygen to the water
. That's not what's doing this to your plant. And don't go adding anything additional to the nutes, you have problems with what you're working with already, why add to it. There are good preventive maintence products to use with hydro, but find one when things are going well if you're not using one already.

Flush the plant, clean the resevoir real good and remake your nutes 1-3-3. gro-micro-bloom---micro has the Fe(iron) and Mn (manganese) and nothing else until things stop in the direction they are goin.

ILW

[gorilla]

There is a lot of great information in this thread! :D cool.


.. not that I have any to contribute. :p

[wakka]

thanks for the suggestions dudes, but that post was made back in may. they died a couple of days later.

got a little bubble out of them though.

thanks.

[Greenmachine]

Did you ever work out what was making your airstones gunk up so quickly / badly?

[wakka]

for some reason, we couldn't find the normal air stones we normally use. the only ones we could find were the kind that had plastic on three sides. they were for the shits. they all died in mid stream.

now when we see the size air stones any where we go, wal mart, getting doggie treats at pet smart, any were, we grab a hand full.