Hydroponic Help thread

[Palindrome]

Hydroponics seems to scare many growers and ppl offen got the idea that this is somekinda sci-fi sciense, where u need a P.hd in rocket sciense or something to understand it and grow with it. :confused:

Well lucky us it's not and in fact it's a prety simple way to grow super great weed, all u need is the right equiptment and premade hydroponic nutrients. Later on when u got a hold on the basic hydroponic growing, you can turn it into sciense if ya like and do eksperiments of ya own with different mix of nutrients or makeing them ya slef.

If your new to growing or been growing in soil and wanna try Hydroponic growing, this thread should be suetable for ya to read and post your questions after read it. Then if you did not understand something 100% or the question you have was not debated/awnserd, u'r welcome to ask and we (myself and other users) will try to help you the best we can and I ask of you all to help to build this up. If you got a question or can think of one that's might be usefull to others plz ask it. Tell us about your thourts/ideas, maybe we all can bennefit from it or help ya out.

Palindrome

[Palindrome]

Okay first of we will take a look into what accesories we will need for a hydroponic grow, it's mainly stuff a ordinary household have or you can get it in your local home depot or petstore.

Hydroponic - Growing in water

In all grow's we need:

Water, nutrients, Light, heat and oxygen, if one is missing the rest will fail too and if we add it in overkill rate we will harm our plants too.

With hydroponic we try to controll it all 100% and it will give a healty plant and good growth, tho it's also more risky and failure will be punished if your lasy and don't take your time to do it right.


Water......why???
That's prety to awnsere and easy to understand, there are water in every process of life and without it life can't eksist. Water desolves the nutrients and transport em into the plant thru the root system, we all know this much hopefully and it's really simple no?

Nutrients are needed for the plant to live and grow, just as you need ya 2-3 meals a day or how offen you eat. We all need something our body can make into energy, so we also can grow and move around all day.
I don't know how many times I have talked with hippie's who don't wanna add fertelizer and wanna grow natural dope....bla..bla...bla, what a load of crap and not very "hippie" minded to starve a plant all it's life.

The combinations of nutients and how it's build up is to big a subject to debate here, but your welcome to ask and I will try to help ya out and pointing out what it does and why it's importent. But it's a bit advanced and I would lose alot of ppl, if I start out with talking about why Mg is importent for the N and some might not even know what Mg and N is (Magnesium and Nitrogen) For now just notice that nutriens are importent and I recomand any beginner to use a premade Hydro nutrient like General Hydroponic 3 part Bloom, Sensi seed's Flower A +B or another one made and tested for Cannabis growing, forget everything about Mirical grow or any other fertelizer for normal house plants, when you know enough to read the back of the bottle and understand what it's laggin u will be able to use it as a supliment or something. For now do yourself a favor and just spend the time/money and order the right shit form the start, I mentioned GH and Sensi seed's ferts be cores thats what I have good ekspiriance with. If you have another fav. use that in the end it don't really do much difference and specialy not in the beginning.

LIGHT ohhh yeah we will need that, but thats the same in soil and every other grow. Without light your not getting anywhere, it gives the plant energy and make it grow. HID light is what ya need, MH for Veg and HPS for Flower or you can mix it, you can also veg with HPS light no problem.
CFL or what it's called is for rooting clones, I'll say it right away im not gonna spend time on anyone asking questions about crap growing with cfl fluro light. I'd be happy to help ya make a clone setup with that kinda light.

Only CLF above 125 Watt like the Growmax bulps I'll be taking serius as they are new and I don't know if they suck yet, you can veg with em no problem but I don't belive in flowering with CFL at all (proveing me wrong is okay)

Heat is a small supject, we need a stabil temp in your grow, not to hot and deffently not to cold either. To hot and your plants will get burned or sick and too cold your plants will get stuned and stop growth, so to keep a healty and steady grow u wanna try to keep ya room temp around 20-25 C degrees and a max and min peak at 10 degrees.

So night temp's should not get lower then 15 C and middle of the day it should not raise above 35 C, this is peak and not stabil temp's and as close to 20/21 C degrees is optimal for Cannabis.

oxygen is needed for the plant so it can breath, no oxygen and it will sufercate just llike us.

Palindrome

[Palindrome]

Ecc and Ph

To grow hydroponic we need to controll the nutrient resolution and the Ph lvl of the water, this is importent for the optain of the nutrients and if the Ph is wrong the root's can't optain the right nutrients.

You can meshure Ecc with uS or ppm, I prefere the uS (micro simens) and it tell me how high the reselution is. PPM (parts per million) is a more advanced way to meshure and it's not very noob freindly, im just starting to look into it myself and I have been growing hydroponic for years now and I never needed it.

Aslong your useing a premade ferteliser like I do, theres no need to meshure out ppm and how much of what u added. Use the Lucas formula and add 3-2-1 or 1-2-3 depending on if your in veg or flower, lest sat GH's 3 part bloom.

u add 3 part grow, 2 part micro and 1 part bloom for veg. 1 part grow, 2 part micro and 3 part bloom for flowering plants. Read of the lvl and if it's right your cool and if it's to low you just add more of all 3 bottles, thats so simple I belive even a kid could do that after u have told em how.

Pali

[Palindrome]

I havent been very active here im sorry and I will try harder next year :D but let's have a micro look into my garden of fun, where I test grow different strains from different breaders around the world and im atm testing seeds for Wally duck and a few other nice breaders.

It's soon a new year and time to say 06 and all that crap, here its time to take a look at the next test strain. Due to lag of time and alot of trouble back when I started this seeds, still I need to test flower a bunch of diffrent plants and sex some too and I have several packs of kick ass beans I wanna try out too.

Anyway the next strain is Pine O or Pineapple x Orange from Wallyduck seeds, but as it is to long a name and I make stikkers for all my clones and plants I named i Pine O.


This Pine O #7 was grown from clone and placed in 12/12 right away after it was rooted, so they don't get any or little veg time as im just looking for resin, bud build-up, oder and stuff like how fast and how much it streatch.

http://img422.imageshack.us/img422/1016/pineoendflower7yy.jpg

So far I only found one male and 3-4 females, im flowering the male now to see it's qualitys and see if we can make some kick ass F1 crosses with our Bubblegum for the fun of it.

Palindrome

[Palindrome]

Hello again everyone!
Been bissy with school and planing my education/studdys, so there have not been much time for updates and writing posts in the helpjournal.
I have not updated much on the help thread, but I guess this is more interresting for most. So I thourt id make a little update on the growing, harvests and stuff going on.
My last update I showed a Pine O test supject, I have been working a bit more with that strain and picked a few mothers now. I have passed the genes on to a few buddies and they are now growing a pheno and I have a 2nd one at home they did not get yet, it's a bit more Indica looking but it got a longer flower time.
Pheno #4 is done after 8-9½ week, more fluffy buds and I guess a higher yeald. Frosty buds with a good layer of resin, good flavor and not to heavy a odder during flower.
http://img127.imageshack.us/img127/1849/pino11feb06035ee.th.jpg (http://img127.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pino11feb06035ee.jpg)
Pheno #7 is done after 10 + weeks, really dense buds and a super nice SOG plant. Nice tight layer of resin, tho I think there is a higher thrichome production on the other pheno is this pheno not bad at all. For the way it grow it's a super nice and easy controlled plant, that will easy finish up around a 1 - 1½ foot tall tight packed with buds from the bottom and up.
http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/6209/pinoophen7032fs.th.jpg (http://img216.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pinoophen7032fs.jpg)
Then I also have been playing more around with the Afghani #1 from Seedsman Seeds, thats some really nice herb if your into Indica weed. The longer it cure the happyer I get with it, in the beginning I was okay with it. The flavor have improved tremendius over the last months, it's still super potent and have been all the time and I have nothing to complain about. It will really get you in the state of mind where your sofa seems to be youre very best friend, where partiong is a fight and your reallu not up for going anywhere :dead:
Heavy Indica yes indeed!
After I harvested the Afghani #1 SCROG I put in a few afg #1 clones in a SOG and I had 3 I had been veggin for a month, that I threw in flower as soon I could.
Next to it I had the Pine O's above, but as I only have time to go to my grow once a week it's not super easy to grow super fine weed.
Ph is okay easy to controll, but my Ec is moving alot when they are in middle of flower and drink alot of water and im not there to top the resovior.
Tho it ended up with me making a huge NOOB mistake and my root's where exposed to light ...... Dohhhh *homer simpson*
So my 3 new SCROG plants turnd into shit as I did not understand why they started to look funny, at first it was not so bad and I changed the res. Thinking that should take care of any nutrient lockout's and Ph problems, but as that was not my problem it did ofcause not help anything. A week later they really started to look sorry and I gave em a good inspection and found the alge in the root's, cleaned it up and hoped for the best. As they did not seem to recover, I cut em down about 3 weeks from the day they seemed to look sick.
The rest of the plants did not get harmed and the weed i cut down, well some was made into BHO and the rest got a date with the bubblebags.
http://img202.imageshack.us/img202/4944/bhobottle013yt.th.jpg (http://img202.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bhobottle013yt.jpg)
http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/2664/afghani1sog023kn.th.jpg (http://img210.imageshack.us/my.php?image=afghani1sog023kn.jpg)
http://img69.imageshack.us/img69/7353/afghani1sog010nt.th.jpg (http://img69.imageshack.us/my.php?image=afghani1sog010nt.jpg)http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/2774/afghani1sog043dj.th.jpg (http://img210.imageshack.us/my.php?image=afghani1sog043dj.jpg)
Here is a pic from the 2nd test grow, Pine O pheno#4 & pheno#7 and Afghani #1.
http://img51.imageshack.us/img51/1032/pino22feb067am.th.jpg (http://img51.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pino22feb067am.jpg)

[Palindrome]

The Aeroflow

I got a Aeroflow setup, this is my first pre made setup ever. I have always build my stuff myself, it's cheaper most of the time and you don't have to buy your suplyes from a ekspencive hydroshop.

A grower I know quit the game and gave me the setup for 100 gram of weed, but he got 60 gram at first and then we got in a fight and he gave up the last 40 gram I own him. Not that I like it, but if he don't wanna have the last weed fuck it...right? No matter what I ended up with a cheap Aeroflow 28, besides he will always be able to come and get the last weed I owe him.

The aeroflow was setup in my flower room and filled with 3 different clones, from left the 2 first row's are Pine O pheno#7, next row is Afghani #1 and the last is the Pine O pheno #4.
The clones where put in 12/12 right away, after rooting they where just sorted and I took the best looking clones. I root them in about 2 weeks and after 1½-2 week I add some veg nutrents to the water in my bubble cloner, the clones then get a extra week in the cloner with a mild 1/3 nutrient mix.

So about 3 weeks after they are cut from the mother they will start flowerin, this will not give me big plants or a high yeald. But im able to keep putting plants in my room and start new grow's next to this when ever I want, aslong there are room under the lights.

Just filled with clones.

Ph 5.8
Ecc 1600 (not PPM)
http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/8176/newsetup012oh.th.jpg (http://img441.imageshack.us/my.php?image=newsetup012oh.jpg)

1st Week

Ph 5.8
Ecc 1900 (not PPM)
Light 2 x 600 Watt HPS

http://img487.imageshack.us/img487/2908/newsetup11feb1week025vy.th.jpg (http://img487.imageshack.us/my.php?image=newsetup11feb1week025vy.jpg)
http://img102.imageshack.us/img102/2406/newsetup11feb1week035st.th.jpg (http://img102.imageshack.us/my.php?image=newsetup11feb1week035st.jpg)http://img487.imageshack.us/img487/1212/newsetup11feb1week045hq.th.jpg (http://img487.imageshack.us/my.php?image=newsetup11feb1week045hq.jpg)

3rd Week in 12/12

Ph 6.0
Ecc 2200 (not PPM) (my Ecc meter was fucked, so the acctualy Ecc was 2800)
Light 2 x 600 Watt HPS

http://img460.imageshack.us/img460/5381/aeroflowgrow027cu.th.jpg (http://img460.imageshack.us/my.php?image=aeroflowgrow027cu.jpg)http://img460.imageshack.us/img460/2940/pineo7016xl.th.jpg (http://img460.imageshack.us/my.php?image=pineo7016xl.jpg)

4th Week in 12/12

Ph 5.8
Ecc 2500 (not PPM)
Light 2 x 600 Watt HPS

http://img367.imageshack.us/img367/3330/aeroflow4weeks1212058nu.th.jpg (http://img367.imageshack.us/my.php?image=aeroflow4weeks1212058nu.jpg)http://img367.imageshack.us/img367/2033/aeroflow4weeks1212040ox.th.jpg (http://img367.imageshack.us/my.php?image=aeroflow4weeks1212040ox.jpg)http://img484.imageshack.us/img484/2618/aeroflow4weeks1212038zv.th.jpg (http://img484.imageshack.us/my.php?image=aeroflow4weeks1212038zv.jpg)
http://img367.imageshack.us/img367/2557/aeroflow4weeks1212026qp.th.jpg (http://img367.imageshack.us/my.php?image=aeroflow4weeks1212026qp.jpg)

Keep it green

Palindrome

[billo]

hey there Palindrome,
or any1 with the knowledge??
at the moment my plants are in a few diff mediums
coco/perlite
coco/hydroton
dwc bubbler
straight hydroton
i was hoping someone could help me out with the appropriate
Ph levels for both grow and bloom.. i have got the advanced 2 part sensi grow and bloom

thanks guys all help greatly appreciated cause me girls have got some rusty dots on em..

peace out
billo

[midwestbluntman]

http://www.homegrownbud.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=1232&d=1136549625


Ph levels for both grow and bloom.. i have got the advanced 2 part sensi grow and bloom


not sure if this is what you are looking for or just a idea of where others run there Ph levels.For real tho dude the best teacher of the proper Ph levels will be your plants.As you look that chart over you'll see that there really isnt a set point where everything the plants need is being provided so therfore you have to move your levels around to compinsate for the nutrient/s they long for.most hydro'ers start low around 5.5 and let it drift up so they get a bit of everything then start over at nute change.The more experianced growers can look at there plants and tell what they want and adjust for there,but im not at that point yet.

Edited to add:The rusty dots on your leaves is more than likely from a sloppy watering job,or to heavy of a foliar feeding.If the water beads stand on your leaf while the HID lights are on it will give you that response.

[gorilla]

Why was this thread never replied to?

I just feel the need to point out one thing: Look at those plants. WOW. They're budded about as well as you can.

Fuckin awesome palindrome.

[billo]

thanks for the reply MWB,
its like my brain dosent work this grow..
ive been ph grow at 5.6
and been giving it at 6.0 in bloom this time
i got buds but lower leaves are dying and some spots

peace out
b