Unhappy Chappie

[Greenmachine]

I've got 2 blueberry in 25 litres bubblers side by side, and I've been feeding them Ionics grow. 1 week into flowering I switched to Ionics bloom and 2 days ago I gave them their first dose of Ionics Boost. One of them started looking a little unhappy yesterday as I was waiting for my replacement ph meter didn't check the levels. However today I've had the following readings
PH 6.1 and 6 EC 2 and 1.96 temps have been fine for the last week and the roots look well. So anyone have any ideas what may be causing the leaf wilt shown in the piccies on one of the plants? There is no yellowing or other symptoms.

[CB]

looks to me like the EC is a bit high is all, as a ph of 6.1 shouldnt couse a lockup.

2 days after the boost was added you said ;)

we call that the claw GM

no harm done really just back off a bit the plant is saying

grow on

[Greenmachine]

looks to me like the EC is a bit high is all, as a ph of 6.1 shouldnt couse a lockup.

2 days after the boost was added you said ;)

we call that the claw GM

no harm done really just back off a bit the plant is saying

grow on

Thanks CB. Ionic feed schedule is telling me flowering change water every 7 days now anyway, so will do that tommorow and keep a eye on the EC for awhile. "The Claw" perfect description mate!

Growing in the relaxed manner, that's just the way I like it.

[Greenmachine]

looks to me like the EC is a bit high is all, as a ph of 6.1 shouldnt couse a lockup.

2 days after the boost was added you said ;)

we call that the claw GM

no harm done really just back off a bit the plant is saying

grow on

Have you got a link to somewhere that gives info on lockout CB? I'd like to find out how it works as I don't have a clue.

[CB]

say GM,

here's a ph chart for MJ in hydro and soil....

i use the bounce method as long as i can untill plant stables out (week 3 of flower or so) from 5.5 to 6.5 which usally takes around 48 hours for me then just start over.... you can see by the chart what will happen by doing this;)

hope this helps some.... if not let me know

grow on

[Greenmachine]

say GM,

here's a ph chart for MJ in hydro and soil....

i use the bounce method as long as i can untill plant stables out (week 3 of flower or so) from 5.5 to 6.5 which usally takes around 48 hours for me then just start over.... you can see by the chart what will happen by doing this;)

hope this helps some.... if not let me know

grow on

So you get the ph to 5.5 and wait till it gets to 6.5 then repeat the process usually from week 3 onwards (Sorry to sound thick, but just making sure I am gettin what your saying correctly.

[Cranky]

ya...lets it swing through from 5.5-6.5 for first 3 weeks or so into flower until ph stables.

think thats what hes saying mate.
lot less fekin about i guess...less up,down,left right ,in out,spill alittle....carpet stains...shit bollucks feck...etc

he'll correct me if im wrong

cranky

[Greenmachine]

ya...lets it swing through from 5.5-6.5 for first 3 weeks or so into flower until ph stables.

think thats what hes saying mate.
lot less fekin about i guess...less up,down,left right ,in out,spill alittle....carpet stains...shit bollucks feck...etc

he'll correct me if im wrong

cranky


Lid up, Lid down
plant disturbed, roots disturbed
Does me head in, Bubblers are a pain to use.

[CB]

less up,down,left right ,in out,spill alittle....carpet stains...shit bollucks feck...etc

he'll correct me if im wrong

cranky

sounds about right to me m8 :p

[CB]

Lid up, Lid down
plant disturbed, roots disturbed
Lid up, Lid down
plant disturbed, roots disturbed
Lid up, Lid down
plant disturbed, roots disturbed
Lid up, Lid down
plant disturbed, roots disturbed
Does me head in, Bubblers are a pain to use.

cut a hole in the lid and use refelctive tape to cover it ;)

[Cranky]

what ya could do is use one of them little black pots with lids that camera films are kept in.cut the bottom off and make hole inthe bubbler lid and slide the film pot in so it fits tight.then seal using aquarium sealant then cover with foil tape..

these pots have a lid on like so theres no feking about with tape.just pop the lid off;) .

cranky

[Greenmachine]

So you get the ph to 5.5 and wait till it gets to 6.5 then repeat the process usually from week 3 onwards or up until week 3? (Sorry to sound thick, but just making sure I am gettin what your saying correctly.


CB can you confirm what you meant.

[Greenmachine]

what ya could do is use one of them little black pots with lids that camera films are kept in.cut the bottom off and make hole inthe bubbler lid and slide the film pot in so it fits tight.then seal using aquarium sealant then cover with foil tape..

these pots have a lid on like so theres no feking about with tape.just pop the lid off;) .

cranky

Good Idea mate, tho want something big enough to get the meters into the bubbler. Got an idea, will let you know if it works out

[CB]

CB can you confirm what you meant.

I let my plant drift thru 5.5 -6.5 untill it hits the sweet spot, around 3 weeks into flower for me then i keep it on an even keel right around 6ish :D

grow on

[Cranky]

Good Idea mate, tho want something big enough to get the meters into the bubbler. Got an idea, will let you know if it works out


i use a Turkey baster.just take a sample,squirt into cup and then take ya readings.also no chance of dropping ya meter into the solution this way cuzz thats goto be on the cards at some point.:cool:

cranky

[Greenmachine]

I let my plant drift thru 5.5 -6.5 untill it hits the sweet spot, around 3 weeks into flower for me then i keep it on an even keel right around 6ish :D

grow on

Thanks Gottcha CB. Mine have just gone into week 4 so I'm a bit late to adopt this method, but there's next time. Some leaves are looking a little mag deficient but nothing alarming. Should I keep ph in the 6 range or drop down to 5.8 and let them take in some magnesium? Or is there a leaf spray that would help out?

[CB]

Some leaves are looking a little mag deficient but nothing alarming. Should I keep ph in the 6 range or drop down to 5.8 and let them take in some magnesium? Or is there a leaf spray that would help out?

i would keep her on an even keel now (6ish) and for leaf spray i wouldnt have a clue as i never spray my plants with anything unless i have a mite problem ;)

grow on

[Greenmachine]

i would keep her on an even keel now (6ish) and for leaf spray i wouldnt have a clue as i never spray my plants with anything unless i have a mite problem ;)

grow on


Thanks CB.
Even keel it is, Engine room full steam ahead Next stop
Nirvana

[Greenmachine]

Last week I was posting pictures of upright leaves and the general consensus was that it was the sign of a happy plant, if thats the case I've got 2 schitzos in my grow room. I did have some sign of over feeding "claw" then which is slowly seeming to get better. On the whole the growth seems to have stopped and these 2 blueberry are not happy about something. My feeling is it's either being to close to the 600w light (which is aircooled) or the phillips tube I'm using, or they are not ready for the Ionics boost I have added to the bloom recently (per Ionics schedule). They are in mid week 4 ph 6.2 ec 2 or there abouts for both.
Please have a look and let me know what you think.

[reubeni]

Classic overfert mate give em a flush and let em recover:2cents:

[tHEaNIMICnEEDLE]

trippy those are not the same plants right?

one looks healthy at least

[Cranky]

how they doing GM?

let me know when ya need to borrow my brick wall:D

cranky

[Greenmachine]

how they doing GM?

let me know when ya need to borrow my brick wall:D

cranky

Had a few problems one was as reub and cb said overfert resulting in claw, the other was plants too close to the lights. I've now swopped the phillips tube for a sunmaster and lifted the light . Also got my levels ticking over nicely . Additionally bought a compressor and have got 2 no 12" aircurtains per bubbler giving it plenty in the bubbles department.
An eagle eyed Geeza picked up on new veg growth on one of my plants buds in no 2.jpg (further back in the thread) and very correctly advised me to get back to a twelve hour cycle (I had been slowly raising it to a 13 / 11) and at that stage was up to 12 3/4 hours light. The claw is slowly sorting itself out now. The only extras I've added are some hygrozyme and the occasional 1/2 tsp of epsom salts.

[Cranky]

glads all coming good for yas....think I'm starting to sort out my plants to.

from what Ive seen from posting not just here but all over the show...theres alot of contradicting feedback when it comes to this hydro lark...willliam Q and CB snorted it for me.....not enough mag which was then causing other probs as far as nutrient uptake was concerned.was told to keep Ph high for aweek.bumped up nutes to 500ppm yesterday and Ph was still the same..if its the same today then its upto 600ppm and so on etc.

for the peeps reading 13-11 light cycle and are left scratching there heads....well,its more light=more bud.Ive seen GM do this alot....ive only tried it the once on an unkown sativa and the thing was like 6 ft tall and still only just flowering 4 weeks in to 12/12 so i guess its all down to the strain on that one but it can be done;)

if you have any probs with sk 1in soil yellowing up on ya mate....just bump up feed to 3ml bio bizz per litr and 2 ml top max and Ph that to about 6.8....that will sort um out...did on mine.

all the best...well master this hydro lark oneday im sure..

until then
ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhggggggggggggggggg hhhhhhhhhhh


cranky:cool:

[Greenmachine]

Well the latest is that one of my blueberry bubblers (No2) suffered so much from the earlier nute burn damage that it's yield is reduced drastically, however the other (No1) is going great guns and promising to produce a very good sized crop. Yesterday I cut 2 main branches from the 2 bubbler and was suprised to see that though the buds are smaller and compact that they are very resinous with blobs of golden resin leaking out, this tastes really sweet. The bud small leaf trim blew us all away last night, so can't wait to smoke the bud.
Sorry my Camera is crap at close ups

[Greenmachine]

Couple more pics:
No 1 bubbler blueberry week 7 (swimming well) :D :D :D
sk no1 and Bubbleicous in soil

[gorilla]

Those are some real nice looking buds, greenmachine. Lacking or not I think both of your plants are going to produce some high quality when you're done.

Got a question: So far, what would you say about soil vs. hydro? How are the soil plants doing?

[Greenmachine]

Those are some real nice looking buds, greenmachine. Lacking or not I think both of your plants are going to produce some high quality when you're done.

Got a question: So far, what would you say about soil vs. hydro? How are the soil plants doing?


Been doing soil for years, so never have many problems with them, and I usually get decent yields in soil. It's my first go at hydro / dwc and on the whole I have enjoyed the experience, there's so much more to learn than soil growing. I do think that growing in seperate bubblers is a pain in the arse, as the water mainteneance is x number of bubblers and gets tedious. Especially if you have to lug your water down stairs as I do. What I'm looking for now is a dwc product that allows for multiple growing and bulk root growth, so ebb n flow and tray grow hydro is out.

[Cranky]

looking good there GM;) im also looking forward to another bubbler grow..will just throw a few more in soil just incase :D :D

cranky

[Greenmachine]

looking good there GM;) im also looking forward to another bubbler grow..will just throw a few more in soil just incase :D :D

cranky

That's got to be the way forward for awhile Cranks, hydro grow / learn with soil backups / insurance grow in place till we've been round the hydro "ring" a few times.